Where is Dore?
We are worried about a regular commenter on the blog who calls herself Dore. We believe she is a disciple of TB Joshua who has recently turned against the church and we are concerned for her wellbeing.
Dore has been commenting on TB Joshua Watch regularly for several months. We are in the process of piecing together more about her identity, but for now the only things we know are that she is female and (probably) Dutch. At first she defended TB Joshua in her comments but it was clear as she expressed herself that she had doubts and concerns about the ministry she was serving.
As time went on she gave some interesting insights into the the way that TB Joshua operates and the psychological and spiritual torment that disciples go through. Many of our readers offered her words of support, prayers and encouragement. Her last comment on the blog was a week ago. She had recently mentioned that TB Joshua had fired her as a disciple. One of the last things we heard from her was the following comment:
Hi Just wonder, thank you for your prayers, I somehow become in the savety of Jezus again,..And i am very calm,…..,..will you explain what fighting in the spirit means?….Dont be afraid, it will wotk out fine,….and I will tell my story on Joshua Watch freely,….its a long story,..
Since then, we have heard nothing. She has not replied to our repeated emails or commented on the blog at all.
There may be a reasonable explanation for her silence. But we have some reason to be concerned.
Why are we worried?
We know that TB Joshua has little tolerance for dissent and that he has a reputation for being violent. We also know that he has complete control of his disciples in SCOAN, who have their passports taken the moment they enter the church, and that the church is surrounded by armed guards that take orders from TB Joshua. This is something that has been documented many times, on this sites and other sites. Recently two ex-disciples have talked about how hard it is to leave SCOAN.
Emma talked of her own escape from SCOAN, as well as a mysterious death of a disciple that was hushed up:
To correct the statement that everyone is free to leave, that’s an absolute lie. I was also always told in disciple meetings by TB that “If any of you want to leave, come meet me in the office & I will arrange for you to go.” I believed him, until I was held against my will and literally had to escape on an okada (motorbike taxi) and hide in a hotel until I could go to the airport. Not only that but TBJ sent armed guards to the airport to look for me, so free to leave?? Not if you have information on him…
One key disciple disappeared mysteriously only for me to find out years later that he somehow died? He was a junior prophet & had been there over 10 years. All I knew was he was in isolation because he was “down”. TBs way of saying someone is sick. Next thing, more than a year later someone mentions to me that he died. No funeral, no announcement in a disciples meeting, no acknowledgement of his family. Just whispers, “He died, didn’t you know?” (Editors note- It is worth reading her full comment on this post)
Ex-disciple Giles also confirmed that leaving was impossible without TB Joshua’s permission:
There is absolutely no way you are getting your passport and ticket from the guy who keeps them if TB Joshua says no. You need his permission.. I know of two “escapes” though. One was a clever guy who used to make alot of flights on TB Joshua’s behalf. He used these trips to secretly take more and more of his personal belonging each time, little by little. Then one day, when he was in his country on the churche’s business, he simply threw his phone away and disappeared
This is why we are keen to get in touch with Dore.
A Message for Dore
Dore, many people are thinking of you and praying for you. If we’re over-reacting and you are OK, just taking a break from the blog (which might not be such a bad idea..), we’d appreciate it if you could make contact.
A Message for TB Joshua
TB Joshua, the world is watching you. If any harm comes to any of your disciples, you will be held responsible and accountable. If people want to leave, we urge you to let them go.
UPDATE
After investigation, it is looking more likely that Dore has been writing from Europe rather than Nigeria. This would obviously be preferable and would hopefully mean she is in less immediate danger from TB Joshua. However, we remain concerned by her continued silence and would like to make contact with her as soon as possible.
Very concerned about Dore and praying for her and “the spanisch dancer, she is translator,.. watch the sunday-morning-service-prayer-line…you gone recognize her..”, (See on YouTube First Live Service (July 8, 2012 from 3:25:30 through 3:29:26) but her last comment that I can see is 1 week ago tonight – last Thursday, 26th July at 9.22 pm not ‘over two weeks ago’.
oops, thanks for that, zebra. Read the date wrong, have fixed it now.
T B Joshua has no authority and no power to keep anyone at SCOAN ! Is he the one who went to the cross to lay down his life for the sins of mankind ? He claims he doesn’t force anyone to stay and that people are free to come and go, but he turns round to give a counter instruction to his deluded guards not to allow anyone to escape. The man is a blatant and shameless liar who is so bent on projecting his name, but all his manipulations and lies and deceit over the years will fall down like a pack of cards in just one day !
It was a very dangerous thing for her to do to comment on this blog while she was still in scoan because obviously the other disciples also commending here would found out that she was doing that and they would acceptthat behaviour.If they would not want to let her go because she seem to have information that will work against TB.I hope they don’t kill her.God intervene for Dore. To Doi ,Visser ,TB and them the world now knows how evil you are and blood of these innocent souls will be upon your heads.How can you defend such kind of evil.To tbwatch if you dilvulge her identity here as you have done don’t you thing that you will put her in more trouble if she is still held in soan like i suspect incase they are not sure yet of whether she is the one who was writing
they’ll know who dore was by now. You cant go on any website in those rooms without being seen by everyone.
kee chasing conspiracy theories
It is high time u guys reform ur thoughts on this blog. 1. Nobody forces anybody into discipleship.2. If i were a minister of God and any of my workers regularly writes on this blog against me, such a person could be a spy. 3. Nobody keeps a spy within. 4. In this our age, there is no way tbj can keep any one against his will. U can make a quick call to relevant embassies,persons etc. 5. Tbj is a household name and many of his enemies are looking out 4 d least evidence 2 nail him & an accusation of this magnitude should do just that. Its only obvious disciples who leave this way may have skeletons in their cupboards. 6. In any case, if u are not a spy, d moment u want 2 cease remaining a disciple, just take ur leave & nobody wil kill u 4 that. Ben
1. No one is saying they were forced into it.
2. If i were a minister of God and I knew of a spy, I wouldnt care. Spy all they want. I’d treat them no differently, and behave no differently.
There is something wrong with a church thats concerned about “spies”.
3. Not too sure what that means.
4. Have you never heard of Josef Fritzl? Never heard of the modern slave trade?
You saying that no one on the face of this earth- in this day and age- is at this moment being kept against their will?
5. Past accusations of rape have gone unanswered. This is a reflection of Nigeria. If this were the UK, he’d have the Home Office all over him by now.
6. Some cases, yes, some cases, most definately no. Depends on how much you’ve been involved in, what you’ve seen, what you know.
Crap, I am very worried about her too. I wondered how she was getting away with posting from within SCOAN. Obv, she’s not…..
Is it worth getting in touch with her embassy?http://netherlands.visahq.co.uk/embassy/Nigeria/
No one is keeping or hiding Dore peharps she want some time off from this unjust site. Dore where ever you may be. I want you to know we all still love you. T.b. Joshua still loves you as a daughter no matter what you’ve done. Do not let people turn you away from God. They do not believe in God or any prophet of God. And i know you wanted to seek the face of God Hence you went to Scoan. GOD IS HERE. But if you also want to go home feel free to express youself to the Prophet like i did. I promise you, he’ll listen. Cheers*.
How can TBJoshua love her ‘as a daughter’. He is not her father! She has two fathers, her birth father and God. Honestly!
Where is Giles?
I read you were a spy at Scoan. How true is this? You had better say the truth coz i saw lot of proofs.
What is this thing about Spies? if a person observes behaviour that is not Christlike. that is not spying. If someone goes specifically to SCOAN to see if accusations of cult like practices are true, that is an investigation. If someone goes to SCOAN desiring to follow God and discovers while they are there that they are being asked to follow one man whose way is not the way of God, so they then find a way to leave SCOAN, they have not been a Spy. Why are you so bothered about Spies?
Hi, one can really see and understand that we seriously are in the last days. Beloved, let us hold fast to our hope and finisher of our faith, which is Jesus Christ, who died for me and you. Jesus returns is very very near, if we engage ourself in unnecessary things, we might miss the bus to heaven. As for me, I focus and concentrate on Him alone for salvation and deliverance. God bless the whole world reading thìs. May the BLOOD OF JESUS be all around you for protection
Hi Doi,
I see tbj changed his tactics now?
Since Dore?
And you are his little “love slave” now?
No cursing and swearing anymore?
Having a “love attack” now?
How sweet.
“………………T.b. Joshua still loves you as a daughter no matter what you’ve done…”
Just to remind you here; It is not what Dore did, but what tbj did. If he is this amazingly “loving” father or “daddy” as you call him, then let him stop running around dishing out gifts of “I love you”, but repent and turn from his own deceiving, wicked and tricky ways and leave his offerings at the altar and go and say his sorry and make right with his daughters whom he sexually violated and restore the families whom he broke up. And make right with everyone he dropped as rubbish and ignored them afterwards. Everyone! You know, he actually makes us, at the receiving end of his “love”, sick to our stomachs! We are watching you and so is the Lord Jesus Christ! Do not try your old tricks. It is not going to work this time!
Dont look for her.She is blind and paralised on her bed.God has started punishing those liar just writing nothing but liers about the man of God.The wrath of God have stated from there.She is blind now until she confess the truth, God will forgive her.All those liars be ready for ur own too.
What god do you worship?
You people are not of Jesus that we know…. When ‘TB Joshua Watch’ say ‘God’ they mean ‘Satan’… so real christians don’t be tempted because the moment u doubt TB joshua the moment satan possess you!
what?!
Hi Vasilis,
Do you have any information on Dore, or are you just assuming this has happened to her? Do you know where she is?
@Vasilis,
For someone who worships and loves the Lord, you’re a nasty piece of work. Thats a really, really horrid thing to say about another Christian, someone for whom Jesus died on the cross for. You’re rejoicing that she’s paralised and blind, like you’re enjoying that fact. Like youre revelling in it.
Its like watching Muslims on the news, screaming “allah-hu akbar!” and rejoicing when infidels die in a car bomb because they had blasphemed their Allah.
Is Vasilis not wonderful!!!!! Blowing your trumpet or scoan’s trumpet or tbj trumpet, loud and clear, announcing to the world, of exactly what happens to disciples in tbj’s hell hole, who bring out the truth. I hope the world is seeing this. Pray for Dore as you do not know what punishment she went through at the hands of her “loving father tbj”. Thank God, you are exposing what is going on inside scoan, without any outside help! Working right in Elohim Father God’s hands. Keep it up.
Now now Vasilis, if you have done this without tbj concent, be careful that you do not end up in, the bed next to Dore! But we suppose he gave you the green light to say this, as you are bold enough for him. If you are doing this on your own, then tell us who Dore is and from which country. Otherwise we will know that tbj sit behind your comment?!
T B Joshua is definitely behind this comment. He is speaking through Visser( Vasilis) and Doe. He tells them what to say and they say it. They’re like zombies who sing their master’s voice and have no independent mind of their own. TBJ needs them desperately to defend him on this blog, because this blog is doing a lot of havoc to TBJ, exposing his deceit, lies and treachery. Whatever happens to Dore, we shall hold T B Joshua accountable, and he would never go scot-free.
Dore has a great deal of information on T B Joshua which she’d like to share with the world, and as Visser(Vasilis) shows, this man would do anything to stop further exposes on him, even if it means killing. We wait to see if this diabolic claim made by Vasilis is true, but we will not be deterred. And, Visser, tell your master he has no power over anyone here.and God will deliver His people from TBJ and SCOAN. Shame on you !
And remember that you are going to have to explain ,at the last day, to Jesus Christ, for not helping Dore in her trouble. Do not stand with evil. It is not going to help you. You will face the Judge of Judges alone one day. Tbj will not be your mentor and overseer there! Remember.
TB Joshua will stand before the judgement seat of Christ and will be condemned for the fake prophet that he is and for misleading the Lord’s people.
@Vasilis,
Tell us, what is Dore’s crime ? She’s been commenting on this site until she now decided to tell her story. Up till then, she’s been vacillating, not knowing whether to tell her story or not until when she decided to do so, then you say she’s bedridden and blind ? Whatever for ? So she would not tell her story to expose your master ? I do believe Dore has some exclusive details to share and your master is so afraid and wants to destroy Dore or do whatever to stop her from exposing him, but tell T B Joshua his days are numbered ! The wrath of the Lord will come upon him suddenly, and he would not know what hit him !
@ Terrific.’but tell
T B Joshua his days
are numbered ! The
wrath of the Lord will
come upon him
suddenly, and he
would not know
what hit him’ that goes to you Terrific. We shall all witness who is right and who is wrong very very soon.
@ Doi,
We know your allegiance is to the false prophet and will say anything to defend him, but what would you do on the day of judgement, when both you and TBJ stand before the judgement seat of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ? Now mark your calendar and time will prove all things.
All this peace of shit can’t shock me coz even the demons do qoate the bible to derail those with poor sight. T.B Joshua is a real Man of God,all those condemning him u r jus wasting yo tym and l want to believe that u r satanists. Why don’t u prophesy yo own prophecies such that u can say he is a liar. God is with him and we will continuously Bless him. Even the Son of God had opponents. You r wicked
please mind your language Tj. If you want to defend TBJ the last thing you should be using is foul language
The Lord keep her wherever she is. I’m amazed TBJ’s got defenders when it’s plain to both Christians and MUSLIMS here in Naija that he isn’t the real McCoy! * sighs* Why should I be surprised. devil get supporters too!
@Dore,
Wherever you are, feel free to comment, we’d like to hear from you. And don’t allow that fake prophet T B Joshua to intimidate you at all. He has no power over you unless you allow him. Remember, if there’s anyone we should fear, it is the Lord Himself and not man, let alone a false prophet, who Scripture enjoins us not to fear. May the Lord bless and keep you wherever you are and remember we’re praying for you.
I tink dore is a representative of tb joshua watch. U guys are playing the game so dat ppl might belive u. Woo unto u. The world is 2 smart 4 ur tricks. Leave judgement 4 God. Who sent you this kind of job. Let God’s will be done.
ALL YOU GUYS PLAYING GOD GAMES GO TO HELL AND ROT THERE!!! LEAVE TBJ ALONE DEMONS IN JESUS NAME. AMEN
Thanks everyone for your prayers and concern, see this post for an update on Dore: http://tbjoshuawatch.wordpress.com/2012/08/25/update-on-dore/
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