Repost: The Miracles of TB Joshua

The following in depth article was previously posted on TB Joshua Watch nearly 2 years ago. In it we hear from a British doctor and a former disciple who, as former followers of TB Joshua, have had several years experience of his healing ministry in Lagos.
Since this article SCOAN have been subject to a BBC News and Sky News investigation into the healing ministry. We have posted a series of articles revealing their damaging teaching on “maintaining your miracle” (Part 1, Part 2, Part 3), and reported the story of Anna (who sadly died) and Judith (who nearly died) after being “healed” by TB Joshua.

TB Joshua’s worldwide fame is founded on the miracles that are said to have taken place in his church in Lagos and in his healing services around the world. His official TV channel Emmanuel TV shows back-to-back videos of these dramatic miracles. Tens of thousands of people from all over Africa come to Lagos for healing, often at huge personal cost. But how many of them experience the life-changing miracles that are so familiar from official SCOAN accounts and videos? And how many of these stories of healing actually stand up to scrutiny?

In this post we hear from a British doctor and a former disciple who, as former followers of TB Joshua, have had several years experience of his healing ministry in Lagos. Their testimonies show that official accounts of TB Joshua’s miracles give a distorted picture of what goes on at the church, and illustrate how TB Joshua’s approach to healing leads to great suffering for many people who come to SCOAN seeking help.

Graham* from the UK spent 4 years as a disciple of TB Joshua, and as a trainee preacher he represented SCOAN around the world. He left SCOAN in 2010. Dr John Hardaker, also from the UK, was a regular visitor to SCOAN between 2002 and 2010, and joined the SCOAN mission to Haiti following the earthquake in March 2010. He ended his involvement with SCOAN in 2010 after growing concern about aspects of the ministry.

Signs and wonders?

“When I first arrived in SCOAN, I was amazed by what I saw,” says Graham. “I saw people who had seemed to have genuinely recovered from serious diseases. They had doctors certificates and there were visible changes in their condition. Seeing God at work in such a dramatic way was one of the main things that led me to becoming a disciple. I still believe that amazing things have happened there.”

Like Graham, Dr Hardaker doesn’t deny that remarkable things had happened at SCOAN. He believes there are three possible explanations for what he witnessed. “Firstly, there may have been miracles that were genuinely of God.” he says. “Secondly, there could have been things that were influenced by the occult. Finally, healings may have been entirely staged or exaggerated. It’s very hard to say now what was genuine, but I believe I saw all three of these mechanisms in action.”

God’s truth can stand scrutiny

Later in this article, Graham’s testimony will uncover some of the routine manipulation that takes place at SCOAN. But let’s assume that there have been genuine miracles at SCOAN. How should this affect our view of the ministry?

Firstly, the presence of miracles would not alone prove that TB Joshua is a man of God. As this post demonstrates, the New Testament speaks of ‘false prophets’ who will perform genuine signs and wonders while claiming to act in the name of Jesus Christ. In any case, the Bible emphasizes the need for discernment and questioning at all times: “Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.” (Thessalonians 5:21).

Secondly, the presence of miracles would not justify SCOAN’s fierce control and manipulation of information and denial of any apparent ‘failures’. “In SCOAN, there did not seem to be room for negative findings at all.” says Dr Hardaker. “If anything negative came to light in the live meetings that might represent a failure, it was quickly marginalized, explained away, forgotten or omitted from the record.”

“As with Paul in the Bible, God sometimes chooses not to heal people,” says Dr Hardaker. But this is not a possibility that SCOAN publicly acknowledges. Many people proclaimed healed by TB Joshua have died of their illnesses shortly afterward; we at TB Joshua Watch personally know three people who have died in these circumstances. More are documented by South African journalist Jacques Pauw who we previously quoted in this article. However, these cases are never mentioned on Emmanuel TV or in any SCOAN accounts. Instead, they seek to sweep these ‘failed’ cases under the carpet.

Dr Hardaker also questions the reliability of testimonies of healing. “Too often, the only evidence for a miracle is a positive testimony, given in an emotionally charged atmosphere, by people who are desperate to believe.” he says. “They report this on Emmanuel TV with a commentary saying “How can you ask for more evidence to believe that these miracles are from God?””

Hardaker believes that this is not evidence enough. “There needs to be truly free and independent scrutiny from a group of trustworthy and impartial researchers who have access to all participants. They must have the liberty to report all findings both negative and positive. This will then get somewhere near to assessing veracity.” However, he isn’t optimistic. “Unfortunately, it’s hard to imagine this happening at SCOAN, even on a small scale. But surely God’s truth can stand scrutiny. Why not pursue it?”

The following testimony from Graham suggests that SCOAN may have very good reasons for not pursuing the truth.

Bending the Truth: Manipulation and Deceit

In his four years as a disciple of TB Joshua, Graham became familiar with how the SCOAN system worked. “Tens of thousands of people came every week for healing” says Graham. “Obviously with so many people, it was impossible for everyone to receive individual prayer. So there was a prayer line team dedicated to selecting the most suitable people for healing.”

“The prayer line team was made up of people that had worked for TB Joshua for many years, led by junior pastors. They would go through the crowd, gathering information about people’s problems- looking for physical signs of sickness, finding out how long people have been afflicted.”

Graham explains that one of the jobs of the prayerline team was to thin out the numbers by telling people to go home. “When they came across someone with a severe illness, a junior pastor would often tell them to ‘go home and keep believing’” says Graham. “Generally, the people who were selected for healing were the less serious cases.” he says. “The team were also on the look-out for cases that could work on camera. They were very interested in having a ‘before’ and ‘after’ picture.”

However, Graham began to notice that the prayerline team did a lot to make things appear more miraculous than they really were. “I’ve seen many examples of miracles being ‘embellished’ by the team. For instance, a man came who struggled with walking. But he was actually able to walk- he came to the church on foot. The prayer team came, discussed his problems, and told him he had been accepted for prayer. But first, they put him in a wheelchair. He was wheeled up to receive prayer, and when he was prayed for, he suddenly rose from the chair and walked across the hall.”

“It was presented as a miracle, but there was no change in his condition. He still walked with difficulty, just like before.”

Graham recounts another incident when the prayerline team asked someone to change their testimony. “A man came to SCOAN with his young son. He explained to the prayer line team that his son had drunk acid which had damaged his esophagus and blocked his throat. He had been unable to eat or drink, and was only able to be fed through a tube. The father said that after putting some of TB Joshua’s anointed water in his mouth, his son was once again able to eat and drink. At the time I thought this was great. It was a testimony of an impressive miracle. But I was shocked when the prayer line team decided to change the story.”

This boy was purportedly healed at SCOAN- Graham claims in reality he had already recovered.

“It wasn’t good enough that the miracle happened at home. They wanted it to happen on camera. So the father told the story to camera testifying that his son was only able to be fed through his tube, not mentioning that he had already recovered. TB Joshua prayed for him and anointed him with anointed water, and declared him healed. He was then given food to eat, which he ate with no problem.”

“Again, this was presented as a great miracle. But actually the boy’s condition hadn’t changed at all since arriving at SCOAN.”says Graham. This video shows this ‘healing’ taking place. The commentary clearly states that on arriving to SCOAN, the boy was only able to be fed through his tube. Graham argues that this is deliberately deceitful.

Graham is confident that TB Joshua knew of this routine deception. “I’m pretty sure that these decisions would come from TB Joshua.” he says. “The prayerline team were constantly in contact with him.”

TB Joshua and HIV/AIDS

One of the most dramatic and controversial aspects of TB Joshua’s ministry is the supposed healing of HIV/AIDS. This is one area where deceitful claims of healing could have devastating consequences- not just for individuals, but for entire communities. How many people are genuinely healed of AIDS in SCOAN? Graham argues that again, the picture is far less rosy than Emmanuel TV suggests.

How many people are genuinely healed of AIDS in SCOAN?

He explains how the system works: “People with HIV/AIDS had to bring a medical certificate that proved they genuinely had it. They received prayer, but were told that healing was not an instant process. They are told to continue coming to the church every week for teaching and further prayer- there were special classes for these AIDS sufferers. They’d continue to come week after week and the prophet would tell them when the time was right to get the AIDS test again.”

While AIDS victims were told to attend SCOAN classes for months after their initial prayer, a great number of people were unable to. “A lot of them couldn’t stay. For example, many people came from all around Africa. So it was impossible for them to keep attending SCOAN week after week. They had to return to their countries.”

However, even continuing to attend these classes was no guarantee of healing. “There were people who had been coming to these classes for years after receiving prayer, and they were still waiting to be told to take the test.” says Graham.

A greater burden on the sick

So what is SCOAN’s answer to those who aren’t healed? “TB Joshua teaches that God wants to heal you, but it also depends on your faith and your lifestyle.” says Graham. So if TB Joshua prays for you and declares you healed but you continue to be sick, who is responsible? “It would be implied that you are responsible. Maybe you are lacking faith, or you are still living a sinful lifestyle.”

Let’s look at the personal impact of this teaching. Put yourself in the place of someone who receives prayer at SCOAN. You are terminally ill, but have great hope and faith for healing. After the elation of receiving prayer from a great man of God, you begin to notice that your symptoms are still the same as before. What kind of thoughts would go through your mind?

“Maybe it hasn’t happened.”

“What if I’m still sick?”

“I’m going to die..”

Wouldn’t such thoughts momentarily pop up in anyone’s head, no matter how great their faith? And once you become anxious about the consequences of these doubts, imagine how much harder it is to banish them (to get some idea, close your eyes for ten seconds and try with all your strength not to think of a pink elephant). Similarly, he teaches that sinful thoughts and actions may get in the way of the healing process. Is any believer entirely free from these?

Dr John Hardaker argues that this teaching can be extremely damaging for those who have received prayer. “It leaves those already suffering from illness in a position of even greater burden.” he says. How many people have been blighted with this agony in the final few months of their lives, a time to be making peace with themselves and enjoying the company of their loved ones? At TB Joshua Watch we personally know of several such cases.

On the other hand, you could argue that this teaching is extremely convenient for TB Joshua. When claiming people are healed, he knows that if they don’t get better, his own self-proclaimed divine calling and gift of healing is never put in question.

Graham adds that the teaching of TB Joshua on this subject was far from consistent. “There were other times when he taught that his own faith was so strong that it didn’t even matter if you believed- you would be healed anyway.” he says. “There were a lot of contradictions in his teaching.”

Conclusion

In this article we have not set out to argue that all healing at SCOAN is fraudulent. But even if genuinely remarkable things have taken place there, there are serious questions to ask about TB Joshua’s teaching and the workings of the healing ministry in SCOAN. To summarize:

  • Why is SCOAN so keen to control information, manipulate testimonies and cover up ‘failures’?
  • Why does TB Joshua’s teaching, contrary to biblical teaching, not allow for the possibility that virtuous, faithful Christians are sometimes not healed?
  • Why is SCOAN unwilling to put supposed miracles under outside scrutiny? Surely God’s truth can withstand questioning and examination.

Any thoughts on this are welcome in the comments section.

*Graham’s name has been changed to protect his identity. Dr Hardaker agreed to have his real name published.

246 thoughts on “Repost: The Miracles of TB Joshua

  1. With all your respect,please remove my email from your list,I really don’t have time for all this it’s not what I need.

    I know for sure that no one is perfect in this world,so this nonsense of who does what and what not is an insult cos like I said no one perfect and anyone can write lies about anyone as long as they get paid nicely.

    So please just delete my email address don’t where u got it,and I’m sure none of you are angels of God,none of you have a right to judge as well as it is only God that can judge and only will give the powers to judge only to Jesus if u read your revelations book in your bible.

    None of you are mentioned in the bible ,so please if u have a personal problem with another person take it up with them and stop boring us with useless stories in our emails.you know where scoan is why don’t u go and tell them all the rubbish u saying here instead of pretending to be angels yet u want to fulfill your personal agenda.

    Plz delete this email,I cannot be part of such activity,that I never joined in the first place.and learn to pray for other people if u feel they are misleading or being misled and surely God will hear your prayers instead of gossiping about other preachers,pastor,prophets.if u are true believers u will pray and ask God to change them for his benefit not yours,and ask God to use them spread his word.

    Think of a non believer reading all this rubbish you write here about christians,are they ever gonna set their foot in any church to hear the word of God being preached? NO!

    Why?cos u have heard the word of God and now u think u can judge other christians,u know too much,u are so selfish u don’t want other people to get the chance of going to churches and hear preachers.u think u will go to heaven only u,the rest christians won’t cos u judge every christians,yet bible never mentioned that u are so perfect!

    These stories are boring,why not tell us what the word of God says,preach to the people,then God will do the rest instead of telling us who does what,this is not an emai address for receiving judgements,lies,deceit,gossip,manipulation. It clear you have personal matters with him,as a christian u call yourself do us a favour visit your prayer room and pray for God to give you a heart to handle this the way Jesus Christ was going to handle it and stop gossiping,and lastly visit him at the scoan tell your opinions about him and pray together invite Jesus Christ and sort your problem as I say u are a believer or else if u can’t do that u are deceiving yourself,cos a christian will not have a heavy heart,grudge,gossip about another christian.

    OTHERWISE STOP THIS : IT IS MAKING YOU SIN COS GOD NEVER WROTE YOUR NAME IN THE BIBLE THAT YOU WILL BE ONE OF HIS JUDGES IN THE LST DAYS

    U SUPPOSE TO PREACH THE WORD OF GOD SO THAT MULTITUDES CAN FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST AND BE WASHED WITH HIS PRECIOUS BLOOD

    JUST KNOW HEAVEN IS A PLACE EVERY CHRISTIAN WHO HAS A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST SHOULD BE DREAMING OF SEEING ONE DAY!!!

    HOPE U STOP SENDING THESE MAILS AND FIND TIME TO READ YOUR BIBLE AND PRAYING FOR ALL CHRISTIANS AND NONE CHRISTIANS U HAVE DISCOURAGED TO GO TO CHURCHES AND ROBBED THEM A CHANCE TO GET TO KNOW JESUS AS THEIR PERSONAL SAVIOUR.
    Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom – let your email find you!

    • Hi. Sorry about this, we don’t know how you started receiving them either. We don’t have the ability to remove your subscription, but if you look at the bottom of the email you just received you will see a link to Manage your Subscriptions. You can unsubscribe from there

      • it is obvious you are enjoying this unproductive, lazy work you are doing. there is a prayer ”God make my enemies so busy that they will not know when their blessings pass them by”. Or is it TBJ that set you up just to know what people are saying about him? i dont think so! for a man who right from the first day had started to keep records of his actions and inactions it will be too petty to do that. continue, more grease to your fingers.

    • joyisa, if SCOAN would do all you reccommend in this comment, then we have no issues against them any-more. The facts are;tremendous people are suffering because of wrong treatment and wrong and in-adequate information about the healing by Jezus Christ., at scoan. Our celestial Messiah tb Jsoshua somehow misses some important core-points about how to deal with the people who dont seem to heal effectually. If he offers the right knowledge, no-one will complain again. Gods people perisch by lack of knowledge, and tb joshua has this right knowledge. the next step is, that he is able to transport this knowledge to the people who need it. It was bever about tb Joshua and all about Jezus ministery on earth.

      • Jamie,

        Would you be so kind to explain what does “our celestial Messiah Tb Joshua” term mean ? Are you living in a cult ?

    • Joyisa,
      You’re entitled to your opinion and can remove your name, but let those trapped at SCOAN know the truth which shall set them free. When you read your Bible, you’d find that God does not hide our sins but exposes them so we can make amends. False prophets destroy lives, homes, families. Worse of all, they destroy faith in God and God wants us to expose them. If you cannot do that, please just shut up your mouth and don’t say things you don’t understand.

    • I agree with you someone is being paid nicely for all the bullshit. I said before and will say again some of us are beneficieries of visting the SCOAN so people should just shut up! If you have beef with TBJ why not confront him personally? My sister visited the SCOAN last year and the problem she went for was solved by Jesus through the prayer of TBJ and she came back healed and her passport was not taken from her. ItS close to a year now and her illness has not returned so what now?

  2. After being born again every Christian is called to maturity. Very important thing is a character in Jesus Christ not only gifts. Love, and faith based on the word of God’s should lead us.

    Think of it:

    If anoited prophet allows to kneel down before him or bow down before him, it starts deceptive belives like: ” he should be kind of messiah or he should be kind of God or he should be an angel in human form because of his great deeds ”

    If prophet does not stop his fellows to bow down before him it creates such deception.

    Read this ( Acts. 14.11,14-15)

    And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.

    Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they tore their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, And saying, Sirs, why do you these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that you should turn from these vanities unto the living God, who made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them:

    TB Joshua mentioned that Apostle Paul is his mentor ? Why he does not stop his fellows and desciples to kneel before him ?

    Humility first than God will work mighty wonders.

    Just watch emmanuelTV..

    • candle holder; kneeling for people is called idolatry in the bible. It has nothing to do with humility, its just might and controle. We only kneel for God. Thats humbleness by the word.

    • Actually, I have seen some videos in which people crawl to him on their knees in the classic begging stance, and at least once where he was shouting at someone during deliverance to kneel. Unfortunately I was watching this in the background, while my husband was watching, so I do not know the specific videos.

      Even the angels of God aren’t so foolishly arrogant as to let a person kneel to them.

  3. CandleHolder…
    the simple answer is what I have been saying all along. He is not what he seems behind the camera.

    I understand its difficult to even contemplate this.

  4. I have said this before and I will say it again.
    The problem with people is that they like to see physical miracles.
    For example if I had a shop and on the outside of the shop I wrote ” we sell weaves and wigs ” that is what one would expect to buy in the shop and nothing else.
    Now Scoan has become so famous on physical miracles that, every service some sort of miracle has to be performed, because that’s what the crowds love.
    If you watch Emmanuel Tv the whole day it’s miracle after miracle.
    Opening up a church has now become like starting a tomatoe business. Lagos is a very good example every direction you turn there is a church.
    Names from Holy Ghost Fire to Burning Mountain church you name it.
    It’s no longer about preaching the word of God, getting people to get ready for their final day but. Milking people dry, it’s another way of making easy money.
    Why is it that all of a sudden, it’s a must that every church you go to during service some huge miracle has to take place.
    Where miracles not happening before.
    Yesterday I was reading a book about a lady in Italy who witnessed a great miracle in Italy some years back, pilgrams would travel from all over Europe just so they could get water from a water source which was close to her house.
    This water had/ has healing powers.
    As she was a catholic, the miracles that happend were declared miracles by the church only after carefull scrutiny, so as not to put in danger the faith and morals of the church.
    This was in 1966 but even today happeining of such nature are only publicized after carefull scrutiny.
    By doctors etc.
    It’s not that the church is doubts but to protect the faith.
    This doctor saw some strange happenings and he questioned them in his mind and even left scoan.
    His faith was surely shattred, there is a danger that others who would want to become christains would not cause of pastors like these!

    • Jack, u ar bn misinformd abt tb joshuah. I dnt knw y pple ar enthusiastic abt critisizng d wrks of renownd men of God lik tb joshuah. If tb joshuah is nt 4rm god i dnt tnk hs ministry wud b thrivng despite ds level of calumny, critism etc it has sufferd, dis is an evidence to prove he is 4rm God.God that is wt hm is grter dan d word dat is against hm. Jesus suferd criticism, d pharisees said hs miracle power was 4rm d prince of belzebub who is tb joshua? An ordinary man so he knws dat criticism is inevitable. D more he is criticisd d more he grows spiritually, materially nd oda wise. D bst u do is to desist 4rm such act of criticism bcos it misleads d unbelievers. If ur church pastor hasn’t performd miracle dat is nt a reasn y u shud criticize tb joshuah.

  5. If someone wants to be an example he should be like it is written in God’s Word. It is no good to follow this example TB Joshua is giving when people kneel down and bow down before him and he does not stop it. Right example of God’s character is giving Apostle Paul. ( Acts. 14.11,14-15)

    Even before angels we should not bow down only before Jesus Christ. Look what Angel says concerning bowing down before the prophets..

    And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.But he said to me, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”

    (Revelation 22.8-9)

  6. REPENT / CONFESS:
    TURN TO GOD:

    1. With sin we won’t get into heaven or (the waters of rest) – Isaiah 59:1-2
    – Revelation 21:27
    2. Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the Law
    a. We know that the Law of God is spiritual
    – Rom 7:7, 14 – Romans 2:23 – Mathew 5: 17-25

    3. The Law of God – Exodus 20
    – Deut 28

    4. Jesus Christ our only solution for our sins – Romans 5:8
    Isaiah 1: 18 -1 Peter 1:19 5 -Romans 5:1

    a. Confess your sins – 1 John 1:9
    b. Turn around / repent – Luke 13:3
    c. Invite Jesus Christ into your heart – Revelation 3:20-21

    6. Now you have the power to say you are a child of God- John 1:12,13

    7. Now you’ve got eternal live in heaven or (the waters of rest) with God
    -1 John 5:11-13
    8. Be baptized in water after repentance and receive the Holy Spirit
    – Acts 2:38-39
    9. Now the end of the commandments is charity/love – 1 Timothy 1:5

    10. These things, that happened to the Israelites in the wilderness, are written down to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did
    – 1 Corinthians 10:6-

  7. Daniels prayer can give you a guideline.

    Dan 9:3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes.
    4 I prayed to the LORD my God and confessed:
    “Lord, the great and awesome God, who keeps his covenant of love with those who love him and keep his commandments, 5 we have sinned and done wrong. We have been wicked and have rebelled; we have turned away from your commands and laws. 6 We have not listened to your servants the prophets (in the Bible), who spoke in your name to our kings, our princes and our ancestors, and to all the people of the land.
    7 “Lord, you are righteous, but this day we are covered with shame—the people of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem and all Israel, both near and far, in all the countries where you have scattered us because of our unfaithfulness to you. 8 We and our kings, our princes and our ancestors are covered with shame, LORD, because we have sinned against you. 9 The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him; 10 we have not obeyed the LORD our God or kept the laws he gave us through his servants the prophets. 11 All Israel has transgressed your law and turned away, refusing to obey you.
    “Therefore the curses and sworn judgments written in the Law of Moses, the servant of God, have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against you. 12 You have fulfilled the words spoken against us and against our rulers by bringing on us great disaster. Under the whole heaven nothing has ever been done like what has been done to Jerusalem. 13 Just as it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come on us, yet we have not sought the favor of the LORD our God by turning from our sins and giving attention to your truth. 14 The LORD did not hesitate to bring the disaster on us, for the LORD our God is righteous in everything he does; yet we have not obeyed him.
    15 “Now, Lord our God, who brought your people out of Egypt with a mighty hand and who made for yourself a name that endures to this day, we have sinned, we have done wrong. 16 Lord, in keeping with all your righteous acts, turn away your anger and your wrath from Jerusalem, your city, your holy hill. Our sins and the iniquities of our ancestors have made Jerusalem and your people an object of scorn to all those around us.
    17 “Now, our God, hear the prayers and petitions of your servant. For your sake, Lord, look with favor on your desolate sanctuary. 18 Give ear, our God, and hear; open your eyes and see the desolation of the city that bears your Name. We do not make requests of you because we are righteous, but because of your great mercy. 19 Lord, listen! Lord, forgive! Lord, hear and act! For your sake, my God, do not delay, because your city and your people bear your Name.”
    In Jesus Mighty Name we pray.

  8. To tbj’s followers,
    Wake up and REPENT!
    19Then the Angel Gabriel said to Daniel: “I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end”.
    3 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king/leader, a master of intrigue, will arise. 24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy those who are mighty, the holy people. 25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many. 27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days, because of this vision; afterward I rose up and did the king’s business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it. – Daniel 8.

    We are living in the later times of Daniel’s vision.
    Tbj is a master of intrigue.
    He is causing astounding devastation amongst God’s people.
    He is destroying the holy people of God.
    When they feel secure, he is destroying many.
    He is causing deceit to prosper and
    is considering himself superior.
    And we fainted and were sick certain days after discovering who and what tbj really is.

  9. God is God and no day GOD will change like human being,this is the right church and God has given his people power to do such miracle,false prophet are those prophets who do not believe that Jesus was in this earth,He died and in the third day He rose,went to heaven to prepare home for His people.You pple do not be jealous read the bible and God will show you the right prophet of God

  10. Someone would say: who you are Candle Holder to judge TB Joshua behaviour ?
    This bowing down before him would not bother me at all to the point when I found that TB Joshua followers and some desciples began to spread about him some sort of belives: like that TB Joshua is a celestial being, Fifth Angel from book of Revelation, a some kind of Messiah or nearly God or Christ himself. In order to protect real Gospel and the Word of God I wrote many comments about this deception among TB Joshua followers and desciples.

    http://watchtbjoshua.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/the-man-in-the-synagogue-could-this-be-the-christ/

    • you cannot censor peoples opinions mr candler, if one believes tb joshua is the messiah, what is that to you> its his business or you can open another blog to publish the truth you think you know

      • This Word judges such deceptive belive that TB Joshua is a messiah not me Mr. Abraham.

        If a prophet appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says “worship me” or “let us follow other gods” you must not listen to the words of that prophet.

        ( Deuteronomy 13:1-3)

      • Mr abraham

        There is no sin if we name deceptive behaviour as it is, if God names it in His Word. There is a difference between condemning a person and judging his actions, statements on the basis of the light of God’s Word to the admonition. We examine the fruits of the people and the spirits whether they speak of God or not, in order we have not been deceived a specially when someone says that TB Joshua is a Christ, a God, or a Messiah.

  11. Its laughable u suggesting sending researchers to verify and accredit the works of tb joshua. I dont see the point coz its either u believe o u dont.

    Tell sons and daughters not to believe not trying to influence the public not to follow what they believe in as if u have got revelation o spiritual eyes. Ok have ever spent quality time preaching the gospel? Tb joshua does that, u may think he started big o he is doing it for money. He actually started small like any church. If u failed destroy it at conception u cnt destroy it now.

    God’s miracles dont need medical doctors to accredit them its just yo faith.And remember judas was one of the 12 and the reason why he became odd is he did not believe in Christ ministry, he actually thought money was better. Watch out whether its a former disciples saying what beware

    • Thank you Mike”

      The word says “Touch not my anointed one!
      Remember if u curse or speak ill of one of God “s servant, God s grace is going to increase on him, example by my father in the Lord TB Joshua, since 1989, people has been speaking ill about him, saying all lies about him but GOD! God is elevating him” taking him from Glory to glory, that man gives, takes care of many unpreviledged people all over the world, from nigeria (all religions, christians and muslim) to as far as Russia, Washington DC.
      Those who have eyes let them see, those who has ears le them hear!

  12. MIke;

    Try to understand that the point is what kind of Gospel followers of TB Joshua are preaching. Insted of preaching Gospel about Jesus Christ they spread the belives that TBJ is Christ himself, a celestial being that came into this world, an Angel from Revelation book and it is very dengerous. Tell us from where they got it ? Is it from their master ?

    • The revelation and vision about the celestial beingness of T. B Joshua is a real one. I received it too. Nevertheless; his person and ego are not in alignement with the beingness.

  13. TB Joshua doesnt exactly help this issue of whether he is the Messiah or not.

    If I were a church leader, and there was serious speculation as to whether I was Christ or not – I would IMMEDIATELY, PUBLICALLY deny this. I would make it absolutely clear that I am not Jesus.
    I would also IMMEDIATELY stop giving out pictures of myself.

    TBJ does neither. SCOAN still hands out pictures of TB Joshua.

    Can you imagine if Paul and Barnabas had started handing out pictures of themselves to the people of Lystra and Derbe? (the people who thought they were Zeus and Hemres)

  14. In the article The Man in the Synagogue – Could this be the Christ? TB Joshua fellows wrote:

    “All these accounts suggest that the celestial being with a Great Chain in his hand prophesied in revelation 20 is fulfilled in the person of TB Joshua.”

    Let’s look to Revelation book:

    And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. ( Revelation 20.1-2)

    It is clear that they took this verse out of context to justify their deceptive belive. TB Joshua can not be the angel from book of Revelation because we are not yet in Millenium time. Millenium time will be after second comming of Jesus Christ Lord and Saviour.

    • In the revelation and vision, the celestial being of profhet tb Joshua, did not had a great chain in his hand, but a great torch with fire, he purified little white stones with a secret name on it. And the fire was provided from The Throne Of God.

      • Jamie

        You are free to have your own revelation. Keep it to yourself. We do not have to listen to your own revelations. We have higier revelation of God than yours and it is the Bible, the olny Book, which helps us to know if your revelation is true. Do not force God’s Word and a book of Revelation to your understanding, insted submit your understanding to the Bible. Than you can be free from deceptive belives like: TB Joshua is an Angel or Christ himself etc.

      • Jamie.

        If you want to be a trustworthy person use words and a language that The Holy Spirit uses not New Age. Celestial beiing are words that do not come from the Bible at all:

        Celestial beeing can be: UFO, Alien, Planet or Angel.

        I can not to imagine TB Joshua as UFO, Alien etc.

        Please, do not dishonor your Master.

  15. Jamie

    If Jesus became your Lord and Savoiur one day you should relay only on Him alone and not on the prophet only or the pastor or the apostle. If not you will never be mature, always relay on a man instead on God Jesus Christ. If not you will never reach a position of son but rather you will always be a kind of slave. One that is not mature will always look at a prophet, a pastor, an apostle in the same manner we should look onto God.

    • See? One secret revealed and the good advizes of the matured men are flowing! I know what I am saying, and I know what I received from God. I never said tb Joshua is a Messiah. A celestial being is not nessecary a messiah. Profhet tb Joshua is highly ordained by God and he made huge misstakes in this task., on ego-levels. This is a common issue with great leaders on high places. I dont excuse him, i just point to the facts of his duty and his calling. Because he made faults, does not make him fake. You have to discern very carefully. A fake is false and devils. A ordained profhet is godly, still makes misstakes, as all profhets in the bible did. Its better to find solutions for such a man, to see through his behaviours and too see what the difficulties of his task is. We can help him with good advizes. For our own good and his good.

      • Jamie,

        When someone do not reach the full son position in Christ Jesus he will look for aproval. Aproval from everywere. From people, from demons, from other Christians. If a person is satisfy with who he is in God, he wil not look for aproval for his prophetic position from demons, from people asking them what would happend if he would not be a prophet of God or a man of God. He will stop people when they will kneel down before him because his value is only in Jesus Christ himself. Simple. Look to Jesus and Apostle Paul. Did they seek for aproval from demons or from people. Where they so needy ? They raly only on Heavenly Father.

    • Candle Holder why not be factual here please. the present day xtians can NOT lay claim to the fact that they rely on JESUS CHRIST, NAY!!!. you know fully well that they rely on one Papa (Pastor/Bishop/Prophet). worse still is that your xtianity is measured by the name of your Church where you worship. sorry we have left the reverence and worship of God to Mamons. I dont know how spiritually curious you are, you may read the IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH (II) page 102-109. To understand God you need to have a good knowledge of Him. That is why a True Muslim avoids any picture or art work that may arrest his attention and mislead him from worshiping God. All we talk about here are the ‘miracles’ of TBJ but you and i know that God created us to worship HIM ALONE. is there any church where they preach that and the salvation of our souls, today?

      • Candle holder, I confirm what you are saying, and at the same time I say again; tb joshua has great potenties and is going through a proces, as every profhet. Its sure not truth that all profhets relied on God all the time, they all made misstakes on humanly level.

      • Yes, still today there are churches, (and I am part of one), that preach that God created us to worship HIM ALONE, and preach from the Bible God’s salvation of our souls.

      • @ tk beckley
        1. if gyou want to talk about islam, you are on the wrong website.
        2. with regards to your comment about all “xtians”, speak for yourself. there are two billion christians. i HIGHLY doubt you met them all, let alone got to know them.

  16. I have one question for TB Joshua followers, please answer, what would happen to scoan if he was to drop dead today?Since some of you belive he is the messiah or a close to being an angel.
    Please tell us. I am sure others are as curious as I am.

    • jacky, believe me, this profhet is so much protected that you will not have the pleasure to see him drop death. Scoan is a place where the Holy Spirit operates. Just arise your spiritual level and you will understand more of the duty of profhets. Everything is pre-destined. And why do you believe profhets are not able to die? Even Jezus had to die on the cross. When TB Joshua dies tomorrow, God will have already raised-up his successor.

      • Jamie how can you say that TB Joshua will not die.
        Everyone dies, Jesus died and rose on the 3rd day.wow! You realy do belive that he is Christ like!!
        This is what we call idol worship in the true sense.
        I am not talking abou worship of a statue or any thing like that. Worshiping a mere mortal!!
        Failing to see reason and sense when it comes to TB.

      • When Jim Jones was alive, he behaved the same as TB Joshua faked some morales cause that’s what pulled the crowd.
        If you dong know who he was google him.
        Anyway some people thought he was Christ cause he pulled them out of poverty, gave them shelter gave them clothes etc, started sleeping with people wives etc.
        He at one point was even convinced that he was Christ.
        Some people did not see reason when they were told to come to their senses.
        People even followed him to the jungle to start a fresh life, why cause they idollised him.
        It’s a shame how they died though,they all drank posion cause he said so.
        It was in the 70′s, this is 2013, same script diffrent cast.

  17. Hello,does it mean there;s no more miracles from a black man,my GODis not sleeping,his d begning and d end,d GOD that forseen all things,pls leave tbj alone,.and i think if tbj is white,it will have been different tone,may GODforgive u all.

    • @ PAT,
      No, that is not the case, at all. This is not a case of black versus white. It is a matter of truth, gospel truth, that is. I’m black but I detest TBJ as a false prophet, a liar, a deceitful person who says one thing and does another, a fornicator and adulterer, who calls himself messiah and teaches doctrines of demons and overthrows the faith of believers who are not well-grounded in the gospel. He must be exposed !

    • hi Pat. This is nothing to do with whether TB Josua is a Black Man or a White Man. It is to do with the fact that the followers of this man make claims that he is somehow more than a man and he appears to say nothing to stop them making these outrageous claims about him.

    • Pat you are a typical ignorant person who when things seem to be going against what you belive you use the race game.
      It’s highly disgraceful!!!
      Read my post on Jim Jones, he was a White man from the USA, Indiana I think.
      He played exactly the same game.
      Faked miracles,at times he would have someone lying on a strecher, supposidly sick from terminal cancer.
      He would pray, pray and pray with the crowds screaming and all.
      Then he would put his hand under the sheet on this person and bring out something dripping of blood, it was really a cow liver. He would lift it up the crowd would raw!! Then he would say you have been healed of the cancer.
      Same script different cast!

  18. Pat has now typically got the attitude of the African Bantu Christian Religion.

    You are a beautiful example of their inferiority complexes.

    It is not about right and wrong, but about black and white.

    Who cares if the “prophet” are biblically correct, just as long as we have one……….

    ……..like the white people.

  19. To TB Joshua,

    Beware of the teachers of religion like you:

    4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.
    5 “Everything they do is for show. They act holy…..
    6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues.
    7 They love to receive respectful greetings and to have everyone bow to them (Mark 12) as they walk in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Father”.
    8 “Don’t let anyone call you Father….
    40 Yet they shamelessly cheat widows out of their property and then pretend to be pious by making long prayers in public, because of this, they will be more severely punished.” – Mark 12:40
    13 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either.
    15 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are!
    16 “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you?’ – Mathew 23:4-16
    “But whoever causes the downfall of one of these little ones who believe in Me–it would be better for him if a heavy millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea – Mark 9:42

    Remember what you sow, you will reap!

    • @ Faith,

      What standards do you have to accredit things that happen in SCOAN is a hallmark that it is from God and how do you explain II Thessalonians 2 the whole chapter in contrast what happens at SCOAN ? Can the latter be that you cannot discern that God is Souvereign and that miracles and healing cannot dispensed in every meeting at will or whenever you are ready to do so.

  20. Do you still believe what you see on Emman TV is the truth?
    Do you still not perceive tbj as the great pretender?
    He is a clever, deceitful trickster, with a trail of disillusioned, broken, used and abused ex-disciples.
    But, ya, carry on believing what you want and pray that he does not get hold of your family…
    That will be your wake up call.

    • A truth prophet is the one who believe that Jesus was once on earth,He was a human being,He died and in the third day He rose up.TB Joshua do believe so,read the bible na muache panganga.

    • Just Wonder

      How do you know if you are a proper judge? A good judge should do nothing from his own judgment, or from the dictates of his private wishes; but he should pronounce according to justice. A judgement given by improper judge is of no moment. A judge ought to decide according to allegations and proofs.

      I do not think Just Wonder if you can distinguish between judge a person deed and between condemnig a person ?

      A judge is condemned when the guilty are acquitted.

      Think about TB Joshua if he came under the blood of Jesus. In such case you work against God and you behave like a fool.

  21. Candle Holder

    How do you know that you judge correctly?
    Do you judge only on what you see on Emman TV and these web-sites?
    Compare tbj to the Word of God and he will be sunk, without any private matters.
    He will only be under the blood of Jesus, once he repented of his rotten sins and stop with his clever, deceitful, tricks.
    And he is not convinced of anything at all!
    Only a fool will believe he is innocent.

  22. Just Wonder,

    You put some good insights from the Word of God, but I know one thing for sure that until now you do not know how to distinguish between judging a person deeds and between condemning a person, I do not condemn you now but I am judging this action in the light of God’s Word or rather God”s Word will judge you for it for sure. Sometimes you enter to the river you should not enter.

  23. Tb joshua have never force any body to come and recive miracle. And kno dat wen jesus was healing people d scribes(people like u) says he is using d power of belzeebul yet he acomplished his mission. So i don’t blame u for all dis critics abt tbj ok! If devil don’t use people like u d faith of a righteous man cannot b identified. bt woe unto he dat speaks against d man of God.

    • @ Sam P.

      What mission are you talking about. Mormons have a mission, Islam has a mission, Buddhists have a mission. Hindus have a mission. Satanists have a mission, Witches have a mission, the devil has a mission. All are still succeeding up till today, look around, what counts what happens in the end.

      1 Corinthians 9:22-27
      To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak:I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 And this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
      24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection:lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

      Matthew 16:26-27
      For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

  24. TB Joshua the CHARISMATIC PSYCHOPATH:

    One thing never varies:

    all sociopaths/pshychopaths share three common characteristics.

    1. they are all very egocentric individuals with

    2. no empathy for others, and

    3. they are incapable of feeling remorse or guilt.

    [The Sociopath Rebecca Horton (April 1999)]

    CHARISMATIC PSYCHOPATHS are charming, attractive liars. They are usually gifted at some talent or another, and they use it to their advantage in manipulating others. They are usually fast-talkers, and possess an almost demonic ability to persuade others out of everything they own, even their lives. Leaders of religious sects or cults, for example, might be psychopaths. This subtype often comes to believe in their own fictions. They are irresistible.

    For the most part, a psychopath never remains attached to anyone or anything. They live a “predatory” lifestyle. They feel little or no regret, and little or no remorse – except when they are caught. They need relationships, but see people as obstacles to overcome and be eliminated.If not,they see people in terms of how they can be used. They use people for stimulation, to build their self-esteem and they invariably value people in terms of their material value (money, property, etc..).

    A psychopath can have high verbal intelligence, but they typically lack “emotional intelligence”. They can be expert in manipulating others by playing to their emotions. There is a shallow quality to the
    emotional aspect of their stories (i.e., how they felt, why they felt that way, or how others may have felt and why). The lack of emotional intelligence is the first good sign you may be dealing with a psychopath. They do not seem to learn from their experience, but merely think about ways to not get caught is the second best sign.

    This is what the LORD says: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD – Jer 17:5

    • Amen, amen, amen. The core of the psychopath is; they have such a deep dark hole in them in emotional matters, such a deep trauma, that they do everything to avoid this hole. When they fall into their dark hole, they believe they will die in it and never be able to get out. Thats why they dont want to need any-body, but manipulate others to need them. All their actions and expressions are substitutes for avoiding the hole. They rather kill the soul of others, then be confronted with their own pain. Crazy minds, full of mad understanding and solutions. Compleetly out of reality, even the spiritual reality. What attracs is; they survive always in every situation, but its a false accomplishement, survival is no life. Its just acting as if its life. Christ is life,and tb joshua is a fallen angel. amen

    • @Just Wonder,
      Point of correction, please ! The charismatic psychopath possesses a demonic ability, not ” almost a demonic ability…..” Yes, TBJ and others like him have that demonic ability, which he claims no one can deliver him from. Let TBJ know that Jesus Christ is the mighty deliverer and would deliver him if he humbles himself. I have offered to do the deliverance for him, but he is yet to accept my terms. I also want to challenge TBJ to a debate in biblical doctrines either at the National Theatre, Iganmu, Lagos, Nigeria or the national theatre at Accra, Ghana. I know he would never accept a debate or deliverance, because he is so full of himself, but the time is coming, and soon, when he would realize that pride goes before a fall.

      • Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. I say he is God’s sent and u say he has demonic ability. But one thing is certain; it is better to proclaim He is of God than to say He is not and continue judging/condemning.

      • The Bible says, ” To the law and to the testimony: If they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20. TBJ does not speak according to the plain word of God, and that means there is no light in him, isn’t that simple, Doi ? TBJ teaches many doctrines of demons, claiming to be messiah, and saying that Jesus would not come back as the Bible says He will come, that is, literally, from heaven. If you believe that Jesus ascended literally, why don’t you believe that He will descend literally as the Bible says ? TBJ has no light in him. He is dangerous to believers because he teaches doctrines of demons, contrary to the Bible.

      • Yeah. People aren’t puppet. You can’t deceive them by mere writing, at least not these days. Here’s someone pleading to see T.b. Joshua dispite all she read. So Why not let God do the conversion Himself? wether positive or negative. Instead of using ur own weapons of propaganda.

    • frorence; you dont need the man of God, you need God, and you can find Him at home. Besite this; tb Joshua is sleeping with boys, as I readed recentely. It is a bit bizar there in scoan .

      • @jamie.. Have u come up with another bizarre story? Its no longer tb joshua is a fake man of God, but now he sleeps wit boy.. Who knws wat u wud come up with next., if sum1 wants to see the man of God, wats ur concern. Jamie get a life cos u aint lving one at all

  25. @ Candleholder,

    Candle holder has two natures. As I rightfully discerned. One moment he sides you and on another he is being hypnotized by what they do at SCOAN.

    Then he answers again the same trite and boring answers as always. “I do not think Just Wonder if you can distinguish between judge a person deed and between condemnig a person ?”

    Who’s side are you on Candleholder. You can eat from both sides. That is what you do. All the time. When I discerned you, I knew from long time your dual nature as I said before in posts.

    You are not a mediator either, you are undercover and go as you see fit for your own gain. Just Wonder says it exactly as it is. You are nothing than a confusion sower for the sake of your own blown up ego.

    Choose this day Whom you will serve. TB Joshua or the true Jesus Christ the Lord of ALL LORDS which is includes you. Bow before Him and forsake your dire agenda of festering between them (SCOAN) and us as a catalyst with no result booked. I for one don’t care about your nagging about judge or judging this or that. It’s my right to do so, get over it.

  26. Just Wonder

    A judge ought to decide according to allegations and proofs and not according his imaginations and his bias.

    Mr Terrific

    You want to be a right judge. Why you start from the end and not from the beginning. I mean you are writing conlusion without line of the investigation and proof. You think people are fool and are easy to fell for your empty accusations. First proof that TB Joshua is teaching what you wrote about him. Generaly, please do not project on people what they have not done making only empty imppresion that you seems to be right.

  27. Candle Holder

    Really – and you see things clearly……..

    And you are a judge that is deciding not according to your allegations but proofs and not according your imaginations and your bias.

    Your ignorance is shining forth like a bright light!

    I feel sorry for you, when you will wake up to the truth.

  28. Candle Holder,
    You see Frorence’s comment? This is why I say that TB J has replaced Jesus. Just as that other site has claimed he has replaced Jesus as the Messiah – Christians like Frorence have replaced TBJ as the mediator, when the Bible says that there i s only one mediator, Jesus.

    Frorence, do you not know you have the Holy Spirit living within you? You do not need to travel all the way to Nigeria to see TBJ to be heard by God. Why cant you pray to God where you are? He is everywhere, He sees everything. Cant you go to your own church for prayer?

    • Yes Jesus is the only one Mediator. But Jesus has a body, a church. Jesus has his members. They helps each other.

  29. Just Wonder and Jesse…..

    Who are accusers on this blog ? Not me. Who put final statement here about TB Joshua? Not me? You peple wit this stupid behaviour, you think that you have final words ? ………..

    Not me.

    It is the difference beteween me and you: You already defined and labeled yourself in stupid way by totally condemning TB Joshua.

    Feel sorry for yourself Just Wonder. It is the biggest “wonder” about you that you are able to condemn impudently.

    Your ignorance does not allow you to see it from the light of God’s Word..

    And you Jesee focus rather on your condemning nature.

    It is easy for you to mix another person with a mud. It is easy for you to make a scapegoat of Tb Joshua. It is easy for you to make Tb Joshua a hell sacrifice.

    You will give account before Lord Jesus for it for sure.

    You people with this stupid behaviour, prepare yourself well for it.

    • Candle holder, you won’t find much in the way of “final statements” on TB Joshua in the actual blog posts. Sure, some commenters make them, and we might have crossed that line occasionally, but primarily our posts examine TB Joshua’s actions and teaching in the light of scripture and expose evidence of times he has acted deceptively (The prophecy editing is the most clear example of this, but the Miracles post above is another very good example). Since people think so highly of his supposed gift of prophecy and healing, isn’t it important that they are warned that not everything is what they seem? This isn’t final judgement, it’s shining the light of scripture on his deeds.

      As we said in our “judging” post, everyone makes a judgement about TB Joshua, either a positive or negative one, or somewhere in the middle. We believe people should be able to make their “judgement” based on truth, not the propaganda Emmanuel TV puts out (which we’ve shown numerous times is manipulative). That’s the purpose this blog serves.

  30. Tbjoshuawatch, good explanation.

    Therefore if Jesse or Just Wonder will begin once more to write their final, last, ultimate, unalterable statements like: TB Joshua is false, TB Joshua is deciver, TB Joshua is that…or that…etc. corect them.

    Focus on TB Joshua behaviour only without this stupid condemning conclusions toward a person itself in general. It is easy to his such behaviour like a stick hits a drum. I like playing drum.

    • @ Candleholder,
      How do you want us to call a false prophet and a deceiver ? It is either TBJ is a false prophet and a deceiver or he is not, and there are no two ways about it. We call a spade a spade, and not by any other name, and stop being hypocritical, my friend !

    • Why should we correct them? Perhaps they’re right? We’re not here to tell people what their opinions should be, nor what their opinions should not be, we’re here to help the truth be told.

      • Ohhh…Yes..I fergot….how can you correct them being at the same time the authors of accusations…..

    • @ Candle Holder,

      When I see you I see this:

      1 Corinthians 9:22-27
      To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak:I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 And this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
      24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection:lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

      Emphasis on ” beating in the air and a castaway”. Hmmm.

  31. Yes, Jesus allows you to judge someone’s behaviour. But, Jesus did not allow you to condemn a person, and He will judge you for it because it is His job. If for you “TB Joshua is false”, keep it for yourself. Do not run in vain on this blog to shout “that” with your big supercilious, unalterable mouth. You do not have policy for it from God and you will never have because it is given only to Jesus. True belivers will recognise Antichrist when he comes on this earth and they will not recive 666 mark from him. Keep away from unbiblical actions and behaviours.

  32. @ Jesse,
    Yes, I have also observed that Candleholder says one thing one moment and another thing the next moment. He is very much under the shackles of the TBJ influence. He is not completely free and we need to pray for him for total recovery.

    • Mr Terrific,

      Focus not on me but on Jesus it will liberate you from wrong observations and TB Joshua obsession syndrome.

  33. @ Candle Holder,

    Typical demonic answers. One moment he wants proof, when given, he say its judgment from the writers.

    If you would buy wine from Candle Holder, he would add water to it as a deception then telling everyone it is vintage. Only true tasters will know the difference what is real. Fake deliverances is a good example of it all. The complaining we see through the tricks of SCOAN overall.

    SCOAN ministers have many times failed the healing of many. Fact. SCOAN ministers have failed to be demon free themselves. Fact. SCOAN ministers have failed by declaring those that were free are still possessed. Fact. SCOAN ministers have failed to preach 100 % true Gospel. Fact. SCOAN disciples lie. Fact. SCOAN ministers lie. Fact. And so I can go on and on. Fact. Fact. FACT. Three time fact, and so it is established with witnesses.

  34. Jesse,

    Wicked people can only accuse without giving a right judgements.

    For you it is impossible to make a judgement without accusations. It is a kind of art that until now you are unable to do it.

    It is your syndrome. It come into your bones like oil ( Ps. 109.18)

    Three witnesses accusations labeled you strong enough.

    You accused me having a demon.

    Jesus was accused having demon. The disciple is not above his teacher, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the student to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebub, how much more the members of his household! (Matt 10:24-25)

    • @ Candle Holder,

      “You accused me having a demon”

      Those are TB Joshua quotes, “everyone needs deliverance” correct ? So do you then. If he says that everyone needs deliverance they have demons, why are you complaining that you don’t have one. Since you are following TB Joshua on everything it is time you book your third journey to Lagos to get delivered.

      When you are showing your dual personality, by one moment siding with TB Joshua watch an d the next moment you side the TB Joshua camp, what says that about you as a person or Christian you profess to be ?

      James 1:8
      A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

      If you can’t make your mind up, that verse is applicable to you. You want to eat from both walls and believe you do the right thing. Proof of your instabilities.

      All that I see from you is you hope something bad will happen to me with your trite threats of getting oil in my bones. I told you before as Jesus said to His disciples, you don’t know what spirit you are of when they want to call fire upon others.

      You are no Christian at all you curse and hope that something bad will happen, what makes that you ? It makes you more a follower of Satan and His destruction using scripture as a word curse. Now you are exposed of who you really are. Not out of God and His Spirit but with evil in your heart towards another person instead of showing love as Christ did to his enemies.

      You want to fight me ? Go ahead, show your prowess. I am waiting for your pathetic anger to form shape and let me see if you could even “scratch” me with your whimsical threats you do.

    • @ Candle Holder,

      So you are saying that all I said is lies ? I have witnessed myself these things first hand. Also others here and everywhere have testified to the same issues and fact. Why do YOU live in denial ? Willingly and on purpose. Your consciousness seared with an hot iron. You cover up because you deem it right for those to do so. What are you defending ? The bible says Thou shalt not give false testimony, the bible says that there will be teachers who falsely teach the word, the bible does not teach 30-40 minute interrogations with demons publicly. No demon speaks truth, why listen to their lies and fantasy stories. Why waste money on it ? Why does God show TB Joshua football matches, which later (recently) where told to the world that TB Joshua has agreed with God it has to stop. Hilarious. Why does God all of a sudden repent ? is He a man that He should lie, As the bible teaches ?

      You as a defender of such practices in which Just Wonder shows that evil men do not want justice to be established and that you approve of those that wax worse and worse with their convictions to do such matters. Again no rightful Christian approves of such deceptions where rat poison is fed to the people and will be destroyed in their own Christian walk of life. You have no shame in your consciousness whatsoever to repent of your escapades of defending such satanic and demonic spiritual rapes in others, do you now Candle Holder.

      Your soul must be blackened with your blindness of the god of this world and him that has taken your soul captive and he is now dragging you in to the deepest dark dungeons of the evil spirits domains which have encapsulated and enslaved your spirit to their bidding so you can spit out your word curses to me, in the hope that in time of your miserable existence will come to pass. How dare you even call yourself a follower of Jesus Christ !!

      • Jeese,

        What for are such long comments about me. I am not double minded. You think too much about me that I am when I am not. Accusations after accusations towards me. False projections after projectons. Bias after bias toward me.

        The issue is, that I do not care as you care who is false and who is not false. I only keep away from unbiblical behaviours. Accusation is one of them. You seems to not see it at all.

    • @ Candle Holder,

      When it comes to accusing, when you say that I am trolling or being a troll in one post that is ok right ? Look at yourself in the mirror, tell me what you see. Pot, kettle, black.

  35. Tb joshua is a fake pastor,no miracle.this is to inform all countries around the world that all pastors in nigeria are fakes and thieves ,pastor Adeboye is one of the nigeria pastor who are thief.

    • Yes Opeyemi, it must be clear by now for every-one, that a profhet who needs it too abuse, accuse, and distracting the souls of his disciples, is on the wrong track. And when the same profhet enjoys too expose the enldess dark ways of Satan, and makes a good entertaining-show of it, then there is realy a wrong focus on the wrong goal. The right goal is; “For those whom He foreknew- of whom He was aware and loved beforehand- He also destined from beginning, to be molded into the image of His Son. ( and share inwardly His likeness), roman 8;29. Thats the Truth of Christ. amen

    • Haba, Opeyemi ! So are you saying that all your Nigerian pastors and prophets are fake and thieves ? I know you’re a true Nigerian who loves to speak the truth, even when it hurts. God is looking for people like you who love the truth and will speak the truth, without fear or favour.

  36. Candle Holder,
    You truly make me think of these verses.

    Proverbs 28:5 Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the LORD understand it fully.
    Isaiah 6:9 He said, “Go and tell this people: “‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
    Isaiah 6:10 Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.”
    Isaiah 44:18 They know nothing, they understand nothing; their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see, and their minds closed so they cannot understand.
    2 Corinthians 4:3 and even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.

    I am not here to convince you of anything, that is the Holy Spirit’s work.
    Neither am I here for your opinion.
    I can see – The truth hurts you.
    It is good that you browse around, seek and you will, maybe, just maybe, find the truth about tbj with God’s help.

  37. Mr Terrific

    Thouse quotations are about finding the truth about Jesus and He is for me My Lord and Saviour. The work is done. The issue is, that I do not care as you care who is false and who is not false. I only keep away from unbiblical behaviours. Accusation is one of them. You seems to not see it at all. Real truth does not hurt, it keeps to be not hurted by any Accuser. Do not worry. Accusations demage thouse who use it the most in dark way. It is my care about you. It is why I am still bouncing around.

    • @ Candle Holder,

      “The issue is, that I do not care as you care who is false and who is not false”

      What does the bible say about your attitude concerning that ?

      Revelation 3:14-22
      And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot:I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten:be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock:if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
      22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

      Joshua 24:15
      And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell:but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

      Revelation 18:4
      And I heard another voice from heaven, saying,
      Come out of her, my people,
      that ye be not partakers of her sins,
      and that ye receive not of her plagues.

      The sins are, lies, fake healings, fake deliverances, false doctrine, human worship, powers of unknown origin, misleading, false claims, false prophecy, fill it in.

  38. TB Joshua Watch:

    Please keep on doing the good work you are doing.

    The Bible says:

    “If someone sins because he has failed to testify after receiving notice to testify as a witness regarding what he has observed or learned, he is to be held responsible” – Lev 5:1.

    We cannot keep quiet.

  39. @ Candle Holder,

    You wrote you went two times there and all of sudden it dawned on you what was in the bible.

    Where was your Teacher the Holy Spirit all the way ? Clearly you never had an infilling of the Holy Spirit, because otherwise you would have known in the first place.

    We’re you baptised in the Holy Spirit afterwards ? ( they don’t do these things in SCOAN remember).

    Would I be correct that you are pure relying upon your “knowledge of theology” instead and not knowing how much angels are actually fitting upon a pinhead by your carnal reasoning ?

    You said all of sudden you understood what it meant ? By what standards were they measured ? Yours ? Tb Joshua’s ? Or were they laid down before a commission and were confirmed by their carnal minds and knowledge ? Go on tell me.

    And what are your credentials as an individual that you are using your own interpretation of the Scripture as you see fit to counterattack those that are uncovering and exposing falsehood and malpractices in the ministry of SCOAN ? Answer my questions. Don’t ask any counter questions and be clear to me what your mission is concerning you do and by whose authority are you operating under. Who is your Pastor and approves your replies here ?

  40. Jesse,

    I do not care and I will not say who is false and who is not false. Jesus allows me to judge some unbiblical acts with the light of God’s Word in order not to be decived and I have done it many times. For example: I did it according kneeling down before TBJ.

    Finally this blog is not about me, therefore focus on me is not necessary. I am not a price that should be win. Please do not project on me things that I am not and you realy want to be. Pressupositions after pressupositions. Jesse, if you badly want to write something about me, write this way: ” I pressupose about Candel Holder, that he……”

    It sounds better and than your entailment looks not necessarily true.

  41. Jesse and Just Wonder.

    You think that you devour all reasons und understanding.

    Smith Wigglesworth had a daughter. She was deaf to the end of her life. Living in thouse days of Smith Wigglesworth you would accuse him for not healing his daughter Alice from deafness as you accuse TBJ.

    Smith Wigglesworth said: Who understands healing, understand God. His daughter, Alice Salter, frequently traveled with him after Polly’s death. Alice was another trial of Wigglesworth’s faith because she was deaf and never healed. He believed that great trials lead to a deeper experience with God and was often heard saying, “Only melted gold is minted.”

    Therefore play your game of accusers, game of false prophet hunting. Maybe this is the only one thing you are able doing in your life.

    Your behavior would for sure win the best roles and Oskar in Hollywood film tilted ” False Prophets Hunters”

    • You still don’t get it, my brother. Nobody is here to hunt for anyone. Your master, Temitope Balogun Joshua is under examination by the Word of God. We’re not witch hunters, or ghost hunters or what have you, but warning the Lord’s people about wolves in sheep’s clothing, so they would not be deceived and devoured. This is a divine mandate to all those who care about the people who Lord has redeemed with His own blood. We’re called to preach, to teach and to warn the Lord’s people. Collosians 1;28. Please tell your master, TBJ, to come out to confess his sins and repent, so he could receive forgiveness and be saved.

    • @ Candle Holder,

      I don’t see the relevance of Smith Wiggleworth or his daughter has to do with all of this. He also had a kidney stone of what he was not healed from. But the man is dead. Kicking soneone in the stomach With cancer I have never seen anyone do besides Todd Bentley and look where it all goes to. We follow Jesus and what He does and we copy that. not what every manical preacher does. The family of John G. Lake despised him for his families neglect and ignorance.

      Jack Coe died because he was doing foolish with his body. Telling us all about they listen to the Holy Spirit but never listen to Him, rest a little so your body can recuperate. Like Benny Hinn that speaks every day to God, but does not know that his wife is about to run away from him.

      And many other ministers who have hotline to God like Oral Roberts if he does not raise 8 million dollars quick God will take away his life. What kind of God are they serving ?

      The God of TB Joshua that can be negotiated with about football games outcome by using the “prophetic” gift.

      Comparing Peter going out for fishing all night catching none and on the command of Jesus Christ draw in nets that almost break hauling them in.

      Should I care about what Smith does. Yes, I do, because if he preaches garbage I will be at his door to tell him stop rewriting the newspapers or comics with your funny stories.

      Good preaching today is extremely rare if not nearly extinct. Today complete rubbish is preached without doing one reference to Jesus Christ sincerely. Saying just Jesus Christ means nothing, Hollywood does it almost in every movie.

      Saying Jesus Christ in a sermon means you have a close and intimate relationship with Him ? Showing powers, healings does it mean you have a personal mandate from Him ? Especially if you can’t tell where those powers all of a sudden come from and your background is vague and hazy. Yelling Holy Ghost fire 300 times in a row will make God move quicker or the Holy Ghost faster or more efficient. Since when is the Holy Spirit your personal errand boy. The Mighty Holy Spirit that was present and involved by the creation of the earth and the entire Universe. Just slap and conjure Him around when you need Him. Disrespectful completely to me. Just a simple test like that shows me this is not the Holy Spirit but a raping spirit that can be jolted and bolted around in a bottle of water, raising of a hand and by yelling and screaming. Including with those that are unclean vessels and full of demons themselves. How is the glory of God Almighty being chucked around like that with no respect and total disregard of His purity and Sekinah Glory ? Where the High Priest had to put ropes around themselves when they entered the Holy if Holies in the Tabernacle because they knew that when they entered in there they would be instantly dead when they were sinful, unclean or mistaken when they were disregarding Gods instructions.

      But in SCOAN they can juggle the Holy Spirit at will on anyone at will and have a endless discussion with lying demons taking up airtime that should be used to proclaim the works of the Cross, the Blood of Jesus, the Ressurection of Christ, the Salvation of all mankind. Yet it is used for cartoonesque, disgraceful theatrical displays of “demons” and human beings telling garbage and fantasy stories. What does that say about the Sin agogue of all Nations.
      Revelation 2:9; 3:9

  42. @ Candle Holder,

    They are no presuppositions, you display that behaviour and speech for all to see. When you change your ways as expected and should be I will tell you this. But until now you do like pot, kettle, black.

    You like to deny what is for all to see and I have explained in other posts what the cause of it is.

    I have also explained that nobody can change your mind or your ways of writing or thinking. You are Unteachable, if not delusional, naive and immature in your replies. You just carry on in your way of thinking. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but it seems to me and also the other writers here who have addressed you and pointed out to your ways of thinking is not correctable as well you keep steaming on the train track of nowhere you don’t realise you are on at the moment.

    You have been twice to Lagos and have no experience what happens in the higher echelons inside SCOAN. Your defence is based upon inexperience of the matters at hand. At least you could admit that you are rather an observer than one who has interacted long term inside SCOAN.

    The writers here including me have interacted for years inside SCOAN and have found the problems and issues inside SCOAN. I personally am deeply disappointed of what I have encountered and discovered. I am sincere and upright and go out of the way usually in conflict, but I have a very good reason to speak up as I have done. I normally don’t do this, but now I do. I have personally encountered these problems first hand, never said anything about it because you just can’t say absolutely nothing negatively about anyone.

    If you do, or even have not done this either, they will treat, twist and manipulate you with their attitudes, behaviour, speech and other ways to humiliate you, because they are always right and never wrong, shows about their pride and arrogance. If you don’t have sacks of money to give them or give your entire life being soaked up by all things SCOAN you are a nobody inside SCOAN. There is also a massive secrecy inside SCOAN. What evolves about certain families alone. Whatever you do to be sincere there will always be a wall between you and them. They never open up about themselves, their fears, their insecurities. Everything is always great and awesome, because they believe that God does everything for them only. But when it comes to other people like me, they never have an answer and an excuse and this water always have testimonies for others, but never for me. After putting up for years with this nonsense, I have no interest of wasting my time and life with them anymore. The years pass by and absolute no result is for me enough to leave it all behind. I dislike false promises, fake deliverances, lies, manipulation, false ways of using scriptures for excuses, false friendships, selfishness, money greed, twisting, abuse, not been able to express yourself, trinkets, powers that cannot be proven that they come from God, and everything that only goes about them and that they are so great, awesome and fantastic, while with their ways they don’t care that anything goes and nobody is allowed to say anything. Also what was more disappointing was that their leaders are full of “demons” themselves while trawling all over the world “delivering” people. While being arrogant to you of how great of what they were doing elsewhere. What kind of Christianity is that ? What kind relationship is that ? Who wants to work for such organisation where this is taking place ? I decided not anymore. I have had enough of this falsehood and am here to express myself what I could not do there now for all to see.

  43. @ All,

    Let’s look at what the bible says about a Synagogue.

    The word synagogue comes from a Greek word meaning “assembly of men” or “congregation,” and it was used much like the English word “church.” The “synagogue of Satan,” then, is an assembly or congregation a church made up of the individuals who “say they are Jews, and are not.” The term “Jew” is used here in a spiritual sense.

    Notice the apostle Paul’s definition of a spiritual Jew in Romans 2:29: “He is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.” In this case, it is not one’s physical race that counts, but his spiritual condition (Galatians 3:27-29; Romans 4:16). True Christians are spiritual Jews because Jesus says in John 4:22, “Salvation is of the Jews.”

    Those in the “synagogue of Satan” say they are spiritual Jews pretend to be real Christians but are not. This false church was already developing in the days of the apostle John, masquerading as God’s true church. It had congregations in the cities of Smyrna and Philadelphia in Asia Minor even at that early time. It and its daughter churches are further described in Revelation 17.

    One of the hallmarks of Satan’s activities is deception, particularly counterfeiting the things of God. “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers [servants] transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works” (II Corinthians 11:13-15). Jesus says we will know such false ministers by their fruits (Matthew 7:15-20). Thus, we should make sure that the church we attend and its ministers are following biblical doctrines and producing the fruit of righteousness. Otherwise, it may well be a “synagogue of Satan.”

  44. Candle Holder,

    John 7:24 “Stop judging by outward appearance! Instead, judge correctly.”

    Be like Jesus:

    Isaiah 11:4 “He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes or decide by what he hears with his ears”.

    We still pray for the veil over the eyes of the followers of tbj to be removed by the Lord Jesus Christ, for their salvation, healing and deliverance from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light of Jesus.

    And thank Him for each person saved from that deception.

  45. Jeese,

    Jesus said:

    A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks. (Luke 6:45) ( Matt. 12:34) KJB

    I took from your comments some adjectives and adverbs you have brought here all the time about people. I wonder from what kind of heart treasure and soul abudance your mouth speaks, full of such words.

    I politely quote them for you………….

    “Manical, foolish, preaches garbage, vague and hazy, disrespectful, lying cartoonesque, disgraceful, theatrical, garbage and fantasy, unteachable, if not delusional, naive and immature in your replies, not correctable, twist and manipulate, arrogance, nonsense, false promises, fake deliverances, lies, manipulation, false ways of using scriptures for excuses, false friendships, selfishness, money greed, twisting, abuse, cannot be proven,disappointing, arrogant, falsehood synagogue of Satan” etc.

    I am really scared of you.

  46. @ Candle Holder,

    You know what your problem is ? That you have difficulty to admit that you made a judgment error concerning your choices you have made and have been relying upon humans and their deception instead of having your own relationship with God.

    Fear is the opposite of love not hate. You are in serious trouble concerning your life that you have built your life upon air castles and a wall that has been built upon a Plumbline that is out of level. Your walls that you have built around your heart is that you have been building on other people’s teachings that are false and deceptive. Now you are slowly collapsing because your foundation was built on sinking sand instead on the Rock and Cornerstone Jesus Christ, the King of kings and Lord of Lords.

    1 John 4:18-19
    There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear:because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us.

    If you cannot handle the problems that are the Truth, the Absolute Truth, what are you going to do. Rely on your foundation that was built on TB Joshua’s stories, instead what the Holy Spirit was telling you and you never listened. Your last sentence proofs your reliance in knowledge of men instead that of God Himself. What more can there be said ? Return to the Shepherd of your soul JESUS CHRIST and His cords of Love and not to the theatrics in SCOAN.

  47. @ Candle Holder,

    I cannot help that you do not want to see it. I am well aware that I cannot convince anyone of the real experiences I have had. Only God and His Holy Spirit can convince people. I never thought like this before I entered there. This is the horrific consequences of me allowing them to get at me because if these leaders were full of demons how can you not start to experience as I have written. You will because that is how demons operate. demons manipulate, they are cold, twisting, wriggling, are never wrong in their ways of doing, full of guile, proud, want to be worshipped themselves instead of God the Father, Jesus Christ, being secretive, sneaky, snaky, false and avoid confrontation when truth is been addressed, when done they ex-communicate you, threaten you, use word curses, huff and puff against you, do if they are hurt and use it as a weapon, try to intimidate you, go into denial and go out on a limb about the one they follow is a true man of God a few have written the same here and you refuse to believe them. Or any other who reads these things.

    Deception is always for the masses, check out Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Stalin, the Moonies, David Koresh, Mao Tse Teong, Gautama Buddha, Mohammed, and many more.

    This because very powerful demons are behind their succeeding of the clever deception. And the spineless milk toed Christians who do not want to follow Jesus at all cost, they compromise by following man and end up cursed because they are willing selling off their soul to a powerful leader that has misled them.

    When you sum it up as it us you use a Scripture that is complete irrelevant to what I am actually saying. But it does not surprise me that you twisted it, again, what really was said by me. I don’t gloss over things, I say as it is. You, rather choose to live in denial about it and twists it. Any idea what spirit that comes from ? One guess.

    • Well said, Jesse ! Is it any wonder that Jesus said many shall be deceived ? Matt 24;5; Then again, the deceived turn around and say it is not possible for them to be deceived. The Lord tells us to take heed so we should not be deceived, but the deceived refuse instruction and wisdom because they are already deceived ! But I understand their predicament, because it is not sufficient for us to tell them to come out of their deception. You see, they are behind prison doors and the doors need to be unlocked to they can be set free. What we have been doing is speaking to them through prison bars. Now we need to take authority in the name of Jesus and do warfare on behalf of our loved ones, and break the chains on their hearts and minds, so that they can be delivered. It is war, war, war, and not talk, talk,talk !

  48. Well said Jesse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You could not have explained the experiences in scoan any better.

    If they cannot see the truth now, well let them stay deceived……..

    until the Lord Jesus Christ will remove the veil over their

    understanding.

    Lets keep on praying for everyone involved with tbj and scoan.

    For his babylonian ministry to be exposed and broken down and for the salvation, healing and deliverance of everybody involved in body, soul, spirit, relationships and finances.

    Sometimes it takes a while to wake up, because the shock to find out who they really are, is to much to absorb immediately.

  49. No Jesse,

    My foundation is Jesus Christ not TB Joshua. I based my life upon Jesus Christ my Lord and Saviour. Once again, please do not project on me what I am not, You think too much about me, bringing your own conclusions that go far beyond who I am, too far.

    Do not demand to pay you back what I did not owe to you. (Matt.12:34)

    • Candle Holder,

      I don’t need anything from you, I reject it, you can keep it, because my God will supply all my needs in Christ Jesus. He is more than enough, the God of abundance and too much, He will not let His children go hungry.

      I don’t bite, I reject what He showed me that is not from Him, I call it as it is, with righteous judgment as God is my Witness.

  50. Jesus said;

    O generation of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. ( Matt.12:34)

    Jesse please do not bite people and me by you language.

    Vipers are poisonous creatures. Please be not exactly like them. They used to say that they were Abraham seeds.

  51. giles, I saw the video about you accused for being a spy in Scoan. Its a compleet ridiculous designed discription and a slanderous approuchement. This report is a good example of how innocent people are being treated in scoan,; by compleet nonsence-science fiction-stories. Its important to understand , that behind this way of creating a enemy, who is no enemy but a discerning person, must origine from a wierd mind , a mind that has a great tendensy to paranoia. This mind is about TB Joshua.

  52. Jamiie,

    Do you know what does word “no man” means ?

    To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing all meekness unto all men.
    KJB (Titus. 3:2)

    For example Jesse wrote that TBJ Is evil, that Smith Wiglesworth was evil, Candelholder is evil, …….is evil……., is evil………

    Please do not write that Apostle Paul is evil……and, that quotation that is above is not the Word of God.

    Personally I judge act of writting about Giles that he was a spy as something that is unbiblical act, like kneeling down before TBJ..

    Next, For me Jesse seems to not understand about me one thing, that it is possible to have Jesus as the fundation of life, instead of TBJ, without speaking evil of no man, but with a permission to judge anybody act in order not to be deceived.

    • candle holder, I hope you are able to see, that when a ministery of a profhet, hunts and accuses other people for their so-called wrongs, that they are not in God? They do not act on the word. And even when people are actualy wrong-doers and in sin, then still they should act by Gods word. Do I have to excuse their contrary actions? They preach God, and act the opposite. They preach for-giveness and hunt others. Its a mystery to me that this contrary facts can go together. Is it a sin to call it wierd? Or just common sense?

    • @ Candle Holder,

      Psalms 94:16-17
      Who will rise up for me against the evildoers?
      or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?
      17 Unless the Lord had been my help,
      my soul had almost dwelt in silence.

      I never said anything of what you are accusing me of. To no-one. This simply because they are all control freaks. There is no room for that in their minds. They will bang on the table, make sure if there is a problem they are with many, use and abuse scriptures to corner you, trip you while you walk in front of them, they will wriggle out of any sincere question, divert, make excuse, lie, twist, walk away from you, ex-communicate you, make up a story as they go along, use the management to do testimonies, to extract more monies from you, they are always blessed nothing is ever wrong with them, yet still have all kinds of demons from the ocean, India, Mami Wata, Grandfathers, grand mothers, spirits of rape, spirits of pornography, spirits of death, spirits of darkness, spirits of playing online games, gay spirits and you name it. they preach the gospel, lay on hands, spray water, scream and shout, go berserker and what else. certainly that spirit is not from God.

      They are not allowed to be baptised in the Holy Spirit, they are not allowed to do Communion with wine/grape juice and mates and be baptised in water, fake deliverances, allowing people to speak up their lies, putting up a show, use the monies for this utter garbage to be broadcast all over the world, instead of 10 hours real preaching and what else ?

      And you don’t call that evil ? What is that then ? How do you call this ? Holy ? Utopia ?The one and only real church ?

      The other thing was, Did I call Smith Wigglesworth evil ? Or did you make that up again as you see fit. It’s always ok for you to say a lie, but when addressed you wipe your whorish mouth off again in saying that you are innocent. As the bible teaches in Proverbs 30:20

  53. Im not bothered. I knew it was only a matter of time before SCOAN would begin making videos instead of just a website about me working for British Intelligence.

    My father in law is in Malawi at the moment, in a very poor part. He says all they ever watch is TB Joshua. The very sad thing is that none of them have any idea about how rich he is. They havent been in his bedroom. I have. At the time I was told that this is the sign of God’s blessing, and I believed it. But now, I think its twisted. 1 Tim 6 talks about rich people alot. And its not just TBJ who is guilty – Benny Hinn is another. Both ministries are money making scams, and the truely evil thing about it is this – its making money out of poor people. They preach that if you follow God, basically you will be rich. And it targets poor people.

    This is not at all what the Bible says. If you follow Jesus, expect persecution, expect hardship. Expect loss of friends and family. Expect martyrdom. Expect to lose your life. When Jesus comes, it will all be different (psalm 37 is all about this), but until that happens, expect to suffer alongside Iranian and Chinese and Egyptian Christians.

    They’re saying expect to be rich.

    I’d like to encourage everyone to look at http://www.persecution.com or iranaliveministries.org
    Thats what I think a true Christian life looks like. It is so different to what I see on TV so much, whether its TBJ or Benny Hinn, or Creflo Dollar.

    • I saw a video of a african woman-preacher. She came from a poor back-ground, became rich by it, and asked $9000,- for a counseling. She gave her mother 21 pair of shoos, in all colours, “to forget the poor background”. The old mother did not knew what to do with it. This is the goal for the poor christians. God as a buzzines-prayer.

    • GIles,

      I can testify to what your Dad told you about Malawi.
      Almost everyone here in Malawi watches TB Joshua, some people are glued to their tvs the whole day watching that nonsense.
      To make it even worse there are groups which have been formed in the diffrent cities, these people hold regular meeting of those who want to register to go to SCOAN.
      It’s in the newspapers.they advertise with Photos of TBJ, it seems there is a rivalary between 2 groups who are arranging these trips.
      Today one group would put an ad in the paper, the next day another group would put another add even bigger.
      It’s really getting out of hand.
      They charge usd 800 for accomodation at SCOAN and an extra USD100 for registration.
      On top of that there is USD 1100.00 for a return airticket.
      I know people who sell their items just so that they can go.
      Ther are alot of locals pastors imitating him.
      I saw last Monday on local TV. 2 pastors who are lunching a church and they are even calling it I can’t remember the begining of the name but the ending is of all nations and they are even referring the founder as Man of God!

  54. @ Jesse,

    I’d like to remind you that all people involved with SCOAN are victims. Jesus died for them too, and I can testify that they have a heart for God. They’ve just leapt right into the fire. When I was there there were unhappy people, and even one suicide attempt. I too was unhappy. Many disciples there will never know what its like to see your wife walking down the aisle, or seeing your baby for the first time, because they dont have permission. Not from God, but from TB Joshua.

    • Hello, Mr Giles,

      Greeting in the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ,

      You forget everyone has received from God a free will to choose. They are aware of these things of what is said here as well those that left. I know from some why they left and they wrote good reasons for that. I found the same problems as described and have been discussed now why is Candle Holder still living in denial.

      Why is Candle Holder using Scripture against people that have experienced terrible things in this ministry and as he willingly also hopes that the use of those scriptures will cave in some heads here, Why ?

      If Candle Holder is confronted with own shortcomings and falling short of the glory of God, why having steel plate in front of the head ? Willing and intently to supersede anything that is being said and no capable of understanding on iota of what people are going through. Is dual natured, sits on the fence, stirs up trouble, in the hope it will backfire, sowing confusion, saying it is not about Candle Holder yet still is prattling on about the same useless topics about judging others is not for someone to do when not agreeing with what SCOAN does.

      This means, SCOAN is above correction, above all that is written in the bible, does thei own programme, has no-one to be accountable to, not Even God Himself. Anyone can say they are doing God’s work as long as you have people following you who don’t know God at all, their bible, their baptism in the Holy Spirit, their own relationship with Jesus.

      Do you know that when you lock yourself up between four walls and tell yourself certain things long enough in a repetitive way, you yourself start to believe it and if you are going out to people who don’t do research themselves thoroughly but walk as a drone after one person, you can be sure that those who do are totally and completely deceived.

      Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit for those who ask for Him to come and live inside of us. He is our Teacher. The last Authoritative Voice is His, not TB Joshua, me, Candle Holder or any other Voice or human on earth.

      PS they don’t care about victims in SCOAN. For you and me a thousand others, that is their way of doing. I heard it themselves saying so. Just for you to know, they don’t give a hoot about you, or me or anyone who runs away from them.

      • Jesse,

        I choose to have an Advocate role, similar like the Holy Spirit does. You choose to have and Accuser role, similar like Satan does.

        The Advocate role is better job.

      • I will quit doing Advocate role when I am not able to defend TBJ anymore. Right know seeing some weaknesses of his Accusers I will show it as long as possible.

      • @ Candle Holder,

        In your head it is accusing. In other people’s mind and experience it is called discerning and assessing whether these attitudes and spiritual rapes are from God.

        Do you deny Candle Holder that it is not all true ? Do you call us liars ? Yes or no ? How do you call all that is called out by name as it is?

        Next observation is, to my discerning you as God has lead me and based upon your expressions, you don’t have no distinguishing between what is happening and what is God’s Holy Spirit way of work. It is as simple as that.

        Is that scripture concerning lightning used as for healing or delivering people ? No. Power could be acceptable. It cannot be measured as lightning. Lightning kills most of the time when stricken by it. In that Scripture it is a display of God throne as backdrop. Not as means of healing or deliverance. So clearly a misinterpretation again told to gullible believers and get away with it. As there are so many silly stories going on. But nobody is allowed to say anything because any of it is always true and applicable.

        It is Kundalini power rushes and projections as it is described. Not God’s Souvereign Presence when His will is done as Jesus directs it. Again it is by the will of man and not Gods, aka Dispensing at will.

        There is no evidence that a transfer took place when apostles laid hands on people (1 Timothy 4:14 and 2 Timothy 1:6). The Holy Spirit was not coming from them to others. The Holy Spirit is sent by Jesus to glorify Him and draw the people under that influence to the Father. The laying on of hands was a public recognition by them, a confirmation of what the Holy Spirit has either already done or wants to do (Acts 6:6; 8:17; 13:3; Hebrews 6:2). Acts 19 tells us that when Paul laid hands on some believers from Ephesus the Spirit came in Greek Epi, upon them, from above, not Greek Dia, through him. The Spirit did not come by or through Paul’s hands, but it came upon the disciples from above, just as He did on Pentecost. Jesus sends the holy Spirit- not man.

        Something that you don’t understand or anyone in SCOAN nor TB Joshua.

  55. Tbj mixes Islam and African Bantu religion with Christian doctrines.

    There is no proof that he converted to Christianity alone. He has no testimony of where he repented of his sins (like Moses, David or Paul), no evidence that he was baptized in water after repentance and no proof that he was baptized in the Holy Spirit. He also cannot teach that, as that is the message of Christianity.

    Also no teachings on Jesus the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and who shed His blood for the forgiveness of sins.
    But he fits the following scriptures perfectly. Like a hand in a glove. He is a textbook case of Mathew 7:15-23 –

    15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

    21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day,

    ‘Lord, Lord, did we not

    prophesy in your Name (Jesus) and

    in your Name (Jesus) drive out demons and

    in your Name (Jesus) perform many miracles?’

    23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

    • @ALL,
      Temitope Balogun Joshua is an ordinary Nigerian conman parading as a ” man of God,” who has been able to fool and mislead several people, due to their ignorance of the Word of God. But sooner than later, this great deception of our time will be fully exposed, and he would have nowhere to hide. Sometimes, I think the Lord allows people to be deceived because they put their trust in mortal men instead of Him.

      • Just Wonder,

        According this charge of you:

        “Also no teachings on Jesus the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and who shed His blood for the forgiveness of sins”

        I do not think you are right. Watch this.

        Should I write something about your accusation act ? If you wont to be judge, judge properly or you will be consider as an accuser and evil speaker.

  56. It s really sinful to condemn a man of God but d devil is still blindfolding some pple.it is unfortunate n i pray God to open dis pple’s eyes. For me n my fmly,God is still usin Emm tv 2 blez me.i pray to step in dat arena of liberty as d Lord leaveth.God ll continue to strenthen d prophet, his wise men n emm tv petership.

    • Bridget, God has given us His Word, which is the Bible, not Emmanuel TV. My dear, you are deceived by watching Emmanuel TV !

  57. Bridget, nobody is condemning any man of God, but TBJ is under EXAMINATION by the Word of God. Do you get that, and do you know your Bible ?

  58. when jesus christ preach and healed people many were againt him untill he was cruscified so there i am not suprise what u want say just go a head and said it because i have emmanuel tv in my house and every day i most watch it henceforth God is with him no body can touch him or stop the ministry and by the grace of god the sky is going to be his limit in jesus name Amen

  59. @ Candle Holder,

    John G Lake wrote “Such was the power of his anointing that he wrote about it as being like the lightning of Jesus: “You talk about the voltage from heaven and the power of God! Why there is lightning in the soul of Jesus! The lightnings of Jesus heal men by their flash! Sin dissolves and disease flees when the power of God approaches!” Lake would also compare the anointing of God’s Spirit to the power of electricity. Just as men had learned the laws of electricity, Lake had discovered the laws of the Spirit. And, as God’s “lightning rod,” he would rise within God’s calling to electrify the powers of darkness and solidify the body of Christ.”

    TB Joshua, I heard saying the same thing on a promotional video of SCOAN many years ago.

    Go ahead explain to me where this is said by the disciples of Jesus or Apostle Paul, Peter, John or generally in the bible itselves. Or even by Jesus Himselves that His power is as lightning. Why nobody says anything ?

    This goes on in all kinds of aspects and nobody says anything that is totally unbiblical and very much experiences of Kundalini Powers at work dispensed at will. I have said this numerous times and everyone still goes on Oh this is Holy Spirit, we slap Him around in our meetings daily whenever we like to do so.

    Totally disregard for anything of such a small test to find out that it is not the Holy Spirit. You willingly and deliberately don’t say anything about it, you only know scriptures about evil and judging. Did I not say that before and why you refuse to answer on it ?
    Why are you willingly in denial and divert to the same thing again than more important matters. Why can’t you judge that and discern ?

    • Jesse wrote above:

      “Acts 19 tells us that when Paul laid hands on some believers from Ephesus the Spirit came in Greek Epi, upon them, from above, not Greek Dia, through him. The Spirit did not come by or through Paul’s hands, but it came upon the disciples from above, just as He did on Pentecost”

      You should read your Bible carefully, Jesse..

      “And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul” KJB Acts.19:11

      “θεὸς ἐποίει διὰ τῶν χειρῶν Παύλου” In Greek text is used word “dia”

      Jesse, please do not create your own deceptive theology.

      According Acts 19:11 your belief and testymony that “The Spirit did not come by or through Paul’s hands” equals lie, the big lie. Are there more ? Probably..

      • @ Candle Holder,

        I did not lie. Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

        This Epi or epitithemi, not Dia. I am talking about the Holy Spirit baptism. Which is not practiced or asked for, for all people in SCOAN. Making the church goers depended upon TB Joshua and the Wisemen. Is this what God has sent the Holy Spirit for ? To be depended upon other people who claim they are infallible ? Even in the bible you see other apostles been corrected, Peter, why can this not be done in SCOAN when they do bizarre things, like fake deliverances, story telling, human worship, water that has different attributes and can do salvation of a soul without confessing with their mouth and heart, etc. etc.

        Galatians 2

        11When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

        14When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

  60. I am just reading this article now. My main problem about TB Joshua Ministries is the use of anointing water. We have different kinds of anointing water. The shocking one is the anointing water for salvation. Can somebody explain to me what he means by “Anointing water for salvation” do we now receive salvation by simply spraying water? This has bothered me alot and I am worried about it. Just as you have all said, lots of controversial issues happen at the Scoan but we have to understand that what is most important is the word. People need to believe the word of God first before miracles, signs and wonders can follow but nowadays many want to see only miracles and careless about the word of God. Miracles will not save us only faith in Jesus can save us. Christ saves us by His grace through faith in Him. So please can somebody who has been there let me know the mean of “Anointing water for salvation”? I appreciate T.B Joshua for his humanitarian activities and love for the poor and needy which is biblical but we must test everything to know if it is coming from God. The Christians of the New Testament church would test whatever the apostles preach to them to see if they are true. How did they do it, through the word of God. The Bible is our watch word and measuring rod for any testing. Thanks

    • Gilles,

      Keeping in mind I was a disciple almost 8 years ago now (last there was 2009), so my accounts may not be the case.

      When I was there, this “annointing water” came out, and was the buzz of SCOAN. Everyone wanted to get their hands on it. It was supposed to heal all types of diseases, or problems. Later though, different types of water came out for different types of problems. For examp,e, you cant use “healing water” on a marital situation, and you cant use “financial annointing water” to heal cancer.

      This did not last long. TBJ went on to recall the other types of water, and now they are back to just the one brand, with “salvation of your soul” written on it.

      A similar thing happened with the ‘wisemen’. There used to be ‘junior prophets’, and many more of them than just 5.Like the water, at some stage they all got demoted to just regular disciples- with the exception of Racine – he used to be a junior prophet as well. nowadays, ‘junior prophets’ are a thing of the past, no one talks about that phase.

      With regards to salvation, TBJ has far more strange ideas than ascribing it to water. You must be baptised in the Holy Spirit for salvation, and of course no one but him is baptised in the Holy Spirit.

      hope this helps

      .

      • Thank you very much. If that is the meaning then it is a heresy. I thought it was for healing and deliverance even though that would have been another problem. The Bible says salvation is found in no one else but in the name of Jesus. Eph.2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved through faith, not of yourselves…not of works; Acts 4:12 None other name…whereby we must be saved, Jn.3:16 God…gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should…have everlasting life; Rom.10:9,10 If thou shalt…believe in thine heart…thou shalt be saved. All of these passages and many more in the Bible tells us that salvation is believing in Jesus how come now that one can get salvation through anointed water? That is my problem and am really bitter about it. This is heresy which if we were in the days of the church fathers, TB Joshua and his disciples would have been called to a council to explain this doctrine of “Salvation by anointed water” I am not condemning him as a person (ofcourse I don’t have the right to do so, only God)but I am not comfortable with this doctrine, it is not biblical. May be some one can prove me wrong by showing me from the scripture if it is scriptural. One other thing I see going on in the Scoan is the testimony of the protective power of the stickers and anointed water. Most of the times at the end of the testimony, glory is ascribed to the stickers or anointed water or TB Joshua. Does God share His glory with anyone if He is the one that protects and heals? No, the Bible says God does not share His glory with anyone (Isaiah 42:8). If we believe that God is All Powerful (“O Sovereign Lord! You have made the heavens and earth by Your great power. Nothing is too hard for You!” (Jeremiah 32:17), do we need another substitute to symbolize the power of God? The Bible promises, “By His mighty power at work within us, He is able to accomplish infinitely more than we would ever dare to ask or hope” (Ephesians 3:20).

        If our hearts and motives are pure and we truly seek to do God’s will, then there is nothing too difficult for us as we depend on His strength. (You can read more on http://www.discovergod.com) Thanks

      • It’s appaling that this anoiting water is sold.
        It’s sold at USD 50 if you buy it in dollars and. Naira 5000.00 if you buy it in Naira.
        Usd 50 is alot of money.
        I know alot of people who go to scoan who buy the water.
        Most people think it’s for free but they get a shock when they they get there are see that’s it’s for sale.
        There is a post from Jesse who about the water.
        I don’t think the water had bad effects on people cause she threw it away.
        The water it’s self is evil.
        There is something very odd about how some peoples lives spiral down hill after going to Scoan.
        I personally know some one who spent so much money going to scoan now and again and his life continued to spiral downhill.
        He thought that by going there his life would improve and he kept spending money of airtickets
        But life did not improve. He sold all his cars, business was bad.
        In the end he was clever enough to stop going.
        I think SCOAN has a way of making people keep going there over and over thing that their lives would improve.

    • @ ALL,
      Salvation is of the Lord Jesus Christ alone. It is He alone who saves us, and not any church, denomination or person, let alone a false prophet like TBJ and his anointing water of salvation. There is no salvation in anything or anyone, except the Lord alone. It is obtained freely by grace through faith in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ. TBJ teaches many doctrines of demons and leads people to damnation. He himself is very ignorant of the Scriptures and needs to go to school to learn the Bible.

  61. Jesse,

    Just think of it.

    You have charged TBJ that he is using the long word “lightning: in a wrong manner but you have mistaken with a short word “dia”.

    Is’n it funny ?

    This acts shows how accurate is The Holy Spirit showing us by Apostle Paul writing:

    Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

    As you wish KJB (Romans 2:1)

    Do not accuse and you will not make this mistake again. Accusation always blinds eyes of the heart.

    • @ Candle Holder,

      I did not make a mistake, see other post. It is Epi. And now you compare another man with Paul the apostle.

      The other day I saw Tb Joshua and the 5 Wisemen call each other apostles.

      Revelation 2:2
      I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil:and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars.

      What are the lies and practices, fake deliverances, false doctrines, false attributes with common water for salvation, human worship, leaders infested with demons doing deliverances, taking money from others and let them be glorified themselves with it, singing songs about TB Joshua worship, not correcting people who see him as Jesus, no baptism in water, no communion, no baptism for anyone to receive the ahold Spirit, sexual sins, ….

      Revelation 2:5
      Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

      No attitude for repentance, thinking they are infallible, yet are still human with weaknesses, don’t demonstrate the Kingdom of God in shopping centres, hospitals, public libraries, markets, open field ministry on the fly without preparation, teaching how after Baptism of Holy Spirit to speak in tongues and interpretation, prophecy with two three prophets present to confirm. Etc etc.

      Then call me a liar when same scripture is applicable to them as well as you quoted.

      Anyone is inexcusable including you because of falling short of the Glory of God. Romans 3. What are you boasting about Candle Shtick ? In yourself ?

  62. Candle Holder
    Just as I thought. You come to a conclusion on what you see and hear on emman tv.
    Do you still not perceive that tbj is a master in brilliantly, clever, deceitful tricks?
    What he says, is not what he means! You cannot go on his words.
    His yes is not yes and his no is not no.
    This is most probably just a sales trick, to promote his ministry and name.
    It does not impress me anymore.
    I have seen and experienced too many of his false trick in my life.
    Sorry.
    No baptism in water after repentance for anyone who wants, weird communion services if any and no teachings on what this actually means and no teachings on what happened on the cross etc .etc.

    • Giles, the Anoited water for Salvation, is about the journey to Salvation. Its a proces and the anoited water can be a support to go through the proces. About some time there will be anoited water for the immortal body and the ressurection too.

      • Jamie,

        From where you got this that there will be anoited water for immortal body and ressurection too ? Such statement is against the Bible. Do you provoke now by what you are saying?

    • Juat Wonder,

      You wrote: You cannot go on his (TBJ) words. Please, explain deeper. Why ?

      • Candle Holder, clever guy! The last part was just provocation. I can not take scoan serious any-more,. dont you see that a huge part of the concept of scoan is against the bible? If you use your cleverness and sensitivity to discern what is going on on scoan, then you will discover some eye-openers.

      • @ALL,
        There was a commenter here called Visser who metamorphosed into Vasilis and now changing again to Candleholder ? He says he wants to defend his master TBJ, but not the Author and Finisher of the faith, Jesus Christ the righteous. He would have to change his name again, for no one can save TBJ unless he confesses his sins, repents and asks my Lord Jesus for forgiveness and salvation.

    • Mr Terrific,

      Jesus does not need defender.

      Candel Holder has Advocate role against those who choose to have Accuser role againts TBJ. I will quite, if am not able anymore to balance your accusations.

      It must be balance in your accusation court, Mr Terrific

      Who told you that It will be so easy?

      Do not start atack me “ad personam” Mr Terrific. Let us focus on TBJ acts and sayings.
      Do you feel terrify by me ? Of course not,

      • No, Jesus does not need any defender. However, we are commanded to defend the faith, to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints, and that is what apologetics is all about. Jude 3.

  63. Giles,

    I wonder from where did you take that TBJ belives the he is the only one baptized in the Holy Spirit.

    If yes he would not say :

    And those who are baptized in the Holy Spirit will not stand anywhere and begin to condemn, because is authority in their mouth. (TBJ quotation)

    Look (2:54) “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYhQILsI3MU”

    See also faith statement of SCOAN according tongues, baptism, Lord’s supper etc.

    “http://www.scoan.org/about/statement-of-faith/”

    • Candle Holder, yeah, thats what T B Joshua believes, that he is the only one baptized in the Holy Spirit. All christians receive the baptism in Spirit. The Holy spirit is a inner frend, but dorment in the most christians. He becomes active by skriptual reading aloud and speaking the word and singing psalms and hymns, and prayer in faith. The more concentration on the skriptual knowledge, the easier you will be filled by the Holy Spirit, and then He starts to reveal, and to teach and to direct your way. The secret is; faith. Everything done by faith, will activate the Holy Spirit. The more practize, the stronger He become and then at some point the power of God will be released., and healing is possible, for our-self and towards others. Dont be mis-leaded by all sorts of conditionings tb Joshua tells you about the Holy Spirit, there are no conditionings, Every-body can receive Him by just asking for it. The gifts are personal and need to become developed to envold their strenght. Its a blasfhemy towards all the members in the church, who have the Spirit in the heart, but have to believe T B Joshua is the only hero. Its definiatly not truth.

    • When TBJ is under examination by the Word of God, he claims it is condemnation but that is not true !

  64. Candle holder.

    TBJ said so in the disciple meetings. I asked Racine if anyone else was baptised in the Holy Spirit, he said “of course!” When I asked for some examples, he could not name any – including any of the disciples. According to SCOAN, none of the disciples have been baptised. They see that if someone is baptised in the Holy Sprit, they would basically be the same “level” as TB Joshua.

    The fastest way to slolve this little side issue is simply ask them. Am I baptised in the Holy Spirit? Are you baptised in the Holy Spirit? They’ll tell you themselves.

    • T B Joshua claims he is the only one who is baptized with the Holy Spirit, but the truth is that Temitope Balogun Joshua does not even know who the Holy Spirit is, or who baptizes with the Holy Spirit or what the Holy Spirit does. He knows he has ” another spirit,” which is not Holy Spirit; he teaches ” another Jesus,” and preaches ” another gospel.” 2 Cor 11:4. He is right to say he alone has this baptism of “another spirit,” which is not the Spirit of Christ, but if he claims to be the only one baptized with the Holy Spirit, then he is lying !

    • Giles,

      Yes, The fastest way to solve this little side issue is simply ask them. Am I baptised in the Holy Spirit? Are you baptised in the Holy Spirit? They’ll tell you themselves.

      I did not ask them yet. I can only quote and say what I heard from SCOAN sermons and SCOAN faith statements.

  65. @ All,

    We used to be inundated with, coins, handkerchiefs, cloths, oil, water, sticks, salt, cards, shawls, all kinds of things that were so to speak anointed by claims of those ministers, including TB Joshua and others.

    We also gave them to others and used the oil, water, coins to others.

    Result: nothing, nada, never. People did not get healed, some even died, cancer still was spreading, no bills were miraculously paid, no job came out if nothing, no family did come to Jesus, no deliverance did take place,

    As a matter if fact I emptied one bottle with anointed water on a corner where a shopping Center was.

    The bush died, a car crash had taken place as well, the fence was damaged.Up till today nothing grows there anymore, drunk people are constantly drinking in the vicinity there and have arguments. The shop on the corner is running on losses. The window at the entrance was smashed. The plants they sell are not sold and are dying.

    This is now a few years ago. Still ongoing today. It just shows what it really does on the long term. The woman that I stood proxy in Lagos for has now Alzheimer’s and went recently for more MRI’s. Her husband can hardly explain himself and is suffering from financial debts.

    Some people in the neighbourhood where I sprayed the water. One was for over 2 months in hospital and nearly died, the husband is falling down. Another woman lost her house and is sick living in a hostel, Another one in the neighbourhood got burgled. Others are still smoking weed. Another got shot and had to be carried out through the broken glass. And much more.

    Very effective this anointed water. Uhuh, and I am not allowed to say anything……….

  66. @ Candle Holder,

    How many times have you twisted and created lies about me ? How is the beam sitting in your eye ?

    Why don’t you scrutinise yourself with the following Scripture as in the light of Gods word.

    17 But if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast in God 18 and know his will and approve what is excellent, because you are instructed from the law; 19 and if you are sure that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21 you then who teach others, do you not teach yourself?

    • Jesse,

      Please do noy focus on me. This blog is about TBJ. If you want me to comment on something concerning past comments, please use specific example.

  67. @ Candle Holder,

    I want to remind you Candle Holder that in defending TB Joshua and his cronies, that you consider the following Scripture and put your life into that Light of the Word which is:

    Proverbs 14:12
    There is a way which seemeth right unto a man,
    but the end thereof are the ways of death.

    Your choices have shown for all to see where you have failed to see that running after humans will result in your spiritual death.

    You tell me what is worse !

    Matthew 16:26
    For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

    Proverbs 15:32
    He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul:
    but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.

    And so I am justified in my sayings, that I stood up against evildoers as The Lord requires from me.

    Proverbs 16:2
    All the ways of a man (Candle Holder) are clean in his own eyes;
    but the Lord weigheth the spirits.

    • Jesse

      I do not run after human. Once again TBJ is not my life foundation. My life foundation is Jesus Christ my Lord and Saviour.

      Jesse, I do not want to discuss about your hermeneutics right now.

  68. At Candle Holder,

    I also want to remind you of the fact that in the light of Gods word you willingly want no judgment taking place.

    What does Proverbs say about that, to you allow wicked people to operate in their lies and foolishness ?

    Proverbs 19:28-29
    An ungodly witness scorneth judgment:
    and the mouth of the wicked devoureth iniquity.
    29 Judgments are prepared for scorners,
    and stripes for the back of fools.

    You willingly condone, fake deliverances, false doctrine, fake healings, human worship, songs that are sung to worship TB Joshua, pictures with quotable quotes from someone else claiming to be your own, that God is saying something while He has not spoken, practicing Kundalini powers, Astral projection and travel, entering by demonic forces in the spiritual realm, entering in other people’s bodies, animals and practicing Shamanism, letting DEMONIZED leaders travel the world and doing fake deliverances with waters with different attributes. What do have to say of such evils that need judgment in the light of a Gods Word.

    • Jesse, did you report T B Joshua about your very sad expereinces with the Anoited Water ? Its important to confront him with the results and effects on long term. He may or may not read this site, but still; write him your story. For the sake of souls. It means, by your story, that the Anoited Water has become diabolic. This can be because you used it in a rebelious way, by trowing it away. At the other hand, everything that is; written down as a message of God, everything that is used as a anoited object or transporting the value of Gods word,( as hankerchiefs, shawls, stickers), and God did not ordained it, but it is created by the ego of a person for own benefit and glory,; then the anoited product will become diabolic.. ,

      • I wrote down above, the principles of releasing The holy Spirit. This pinciples are working facs, by faith. This week a boy became cured from a un-curable mental disorder, for 12 years; scizofrenia. , by laying hands and using this principles. Use them against the diabolic forces. Resists the dark issues by it.

    • Jesse,

      I do not want to repeat myself. It seems that you asked me again and again the same questions. Let’s focus only on TBJ acts and sayings excluding “who is who” judgements.

  69. At all,

    Here is an account of a high level charismatic leader in Europe, who I will call, John Doe for now. Name is known to me.

    “On the last days of our stay, we had a very strange experience in the office of TB Joshua. He was suggesting to put his “anointing” on me. (I absolutely did not ask for it) It was done voluntary by him. It went kind of forceful with very strange movements of his hands and I had to look in the eyes of his assistant Jima. (I was already praying for protection) and IT was then as if I was looking the devil in his eyes.) “things” were moving in his eyes which was very unpleasant. This I had also seen with one lady who was prayed over and sat in the dining room in SCOAN. She had been under private prayers with her husband with TB Joshua. She also looked very off base of herself. Not in control of herself.

    In his office there was an award written which read TB Joshua “THE MASTER HEALER OF OUR TIME. ” i thougt that If I had something like that in my office, people would ask me if I had become insane.

    People who are doing deliverance know what I am talking about. When I said and prayed the “Blood of Jesus” they immediately stopped doing what they did. A friend pastor who was with me from “so and so city, name withheld because of privacy reasons” had exactly the same experience.

    Another woman who went there with a fibroid as big as a basket ball went for healing because she saw all the testimonies on Emmanuel TV. She went home nothing happened. No fibroid came out of while she was there. She still had to go to the hospital to get it removed by operation after it started to bleed and her life came into danger. Her husband was also prayed over and as far as he can recall nothing has happened. He lost his job and was for quite a long time out of work and does now a lesser job than he used to do.

    Visitors were not allowed to fast and we saw several women crawling on their knees coming into TB Joshua’s offices. Also a white South African lady. We said nothing is wrong with our eyes, we saw it as it is. Also we noticed that TB Joshua decides everything. And you are told to speak to him as Prophet TB Joshua.

    Here is proof of what is happening inside SCOAN from people from abroad living in Europe. Ofcourse Candle Holder is calling this lies, but I had nothing to do with this report. I just quoted it from those that were involved.

    • Candle Holder is not calling this lies. Because it might be your science fiction story. Jesse, you do not know how to accuse in a right way. Do not perform what is not your profession.

      • Jesse,

        In your last comment you told us long someone story of someone else without real names. Today we have multitude false witnesses. To accuse act is the easy mundane one. How can you proof that you are not the false witness ? Do you think that it is enough to write something or to say something and everybody must belive you ?

  70. @ TB Joshua watch,

    I have to apologize and and have decline, because with sending emails to you, my IP address and headers of dns will be sent and anyone can locate me from there.

    I am still not trusting anyone who has been involved in SCOAN because of most people’s dual nature.

    I understand you have questions about what I am writing but I was not lying about the fact up there as I have testified. I test things that are given to me whether they are out if God. So some of things might sound bizarre, but that is what I have witnessed and have told also to others to see. See last post of what I wrote. I hope and pray that you all will understand this. I believe that TB Joshua followers will stop at nothing to harm me in any way they can and my family if they know where we are. I have had my share of all of it and have no interest about this ministry anymore than writing here for all to see.

    • @ Jesse,
      There’s nothing to fear. You can write to:tbjoshuawatch@hotmail.co.uk. I believe they have some issues they’d like to discuss privately with you. See, I write to them and it’s safe. As for T B Joshua, you don’t have to be afraid of him, because he is a coward, and a false prophet. There is nothing he can do to you. Fear God and not man.

    • Jesse, I know the story in the original language, with the original names. I know the charismatic leader, who testefied about tb Joshua in his office. Its a true story.

  71. Jesse,

    Do you think that it is enough to say that flowers grow on the moon and that everybody have to belive you.

  72. There are acts of people like garbage trucks. Accusation act towards people is the only thing they can do in their life, not able to speak good at all. From time to time they have to throw away somwhere the garbage. If they find such place, they will do it. They will throw accusation garbage sometimes on commenters as well, making very long comments.

  73. @ All,

    There was a South African Tennis player (this was around 2006-2007 who used to live in South Africa and was a budding young lady who came really fast to the world scene of tennis. She ran in trouble with her body and had if I can remember a sort of arthritis in her knees and ankles. She went to SCOAN for healing and I have seen her jumping rope inside SCOAN as sort of that she was “healed”. But later on it appeared that she wasn’t.

    She does not live in South Africa anymore because she left because of threats there concerning her life. I believe she is now living in Australia. She has gone back down into her ranking as a professional tennis player severely and nobody is hearing anything about her anymore. So much for a “healing” at SCOAN. Note to Candle Holder, you can find out about her if I am speaking the truth here. Give me one reason why I would make this one up as well……

  74. Tbjoshuawatch@

    I am allowed by Jesus to judge your acts.
    I have done it according Jesse acts and sayings as well.
    The diffrence between me and you is that you judge a lot “ad personam”. I do not.
    I judge only your acts if they are from God in order not to be decived by you.
    You choose accusation acts, I choose advocate acts.
    Do it properly, proof your charges, do not bite me “ad personam”.

    • Please stop implying there is no proof. This may be true when it comes to issues like sexual abuse allegations (though there is strong evidence), but we have presented tons of proof of other things such as heretical teaching, messianic claims, deceitful prophecies, deaths following supposed healings…. You can stick your head in the sand and ignore all this if you like, but don’t say we haven’t given it. We have nearly 100 posts on this site full of things which should concern you, and much of it proven.

  75. Candle Holder,
    You say: “I choose advocate role and the way” – is that not Jesus Christ’s place?

    Jesus is our lawyer and advocate, NOT YOU! –

    My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an Advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous – 1 John 2:1

    Be careful – the word for “in the place of Christ” is Anti-Christ.

    You clearly do not know the difference between judging and discerning and your role in this!

    But I see that you are rubbing shoulders with light and that may just be your salvation and deliverance one day from deception.

    We pray for God’s mercy on you.

  76. I have gone through the Statement of Faith of Power of Grace Ministries International based in Germany and that of Synagogue Church of All Nations. I realized they are all thesame. Now the question is who copied from who? Because this is plagiarism and plagiarism is a crime offense. Can somebody tell me if you have verified and know who copied from the other? Thanks

  77. Tbjoshuawatch@

    Why you moderate only comments that goes in the accusing direction you choose? Is it not really hipocritical ?

    • You’ll see why your recent comments have not been approved in our reply to you yesterday with all the links. BTW, you have nearly 200 comments approved on this site, you can hardly say we don’t allow you to post!

  78. @ mr terrific, how can one not know something and begin to twist what he doesnt know…. I read in one of your comments when you said tb joshua’ anointing water of salvation., let me repeat this, the water is only a medium, the anointing is done in God’s name… Of course i know you will doubt it,buh think about this. You know you are blaspheming, is it the right thing to do? Mr terrific nd Tbjoshuawatch stop this!

  79. @ Gilles,

    Your post imho touches quite a few things in what I agree with you. I personally believe, things are very close, but no cigar. It’s just that everything is too perfect, but something essential and crucial is missing. If it is too good to be true, it usually is not not.

    I have come to the conclusion it is counterfeit spirit that is very close in mimicking and morphing what the Holy Spirit does. To say it crude, it looks like Him (Holy Spirit), copies and counterfeits Him, it tries really hard to persuade any believer it is true and it is really Him. But from what I know personally of the Holy Spirit is that He does the will of the Father and glorifies Jesus Christ on earth and in the universe.

    In SCOAN this spirit and its spiritual powers are conjured at will. That is why you see those hand movements, which are very clear in the early “ministry” of TB Joshua. But the spiritual powers that are invoked are controlled by TB Joshua and Wiseman by use of their arms, feet, body and hands.

    This is what you call remote control.

    The Holy Spirit cannot be used like that, because He is a Souvereign Spirit and only obeys God the Father and Jesus Christ. He operates on the command of the Father and Jesus, not what mankind wants or wills.

    This means the Holy Spirit can work totally independent from man to do the will of God. No commands are needed then, no prayer either, no incantations or mantras “In the Mighty Name of Jesus” no repeating of “Holy Ghost fire” either. Man does not equal God or Jesus, they are both totally and completely Souvereign. The Holy Spirit is not an errand boy you can slap around at any moment in time or place. He is already there. He never is away, He knows everything past, present and future simultaneously at the same time. He hold together the universe, the Glory of the Father and Jesus resides in Him, He is One with God the Father and the Son, He is the Executor of Gods Ultimate Salvation plan. He resides outside of us and He can reside in us when we ask Jesus to baptise us in Spirit and in Fire. He is the One that Converts us to be Born Again. There is no other Power above Him than that of Jesus Christ and The Father. Jesus already has received all power in Heaven as well on the Earth. In the Holy Spirit there is no darkness, He searches and knows the deepest parts of the deepest. He never manipulates, twists, lies, forces against your will, He is the only true Advocate and Comforter, He is part of God as the Third Person, Who Himself is One and there is no Saviour besides Him and His Son Jesus Christ.

    That is missing in SCOAN. They are fixed and focused on TB Joshua. TB Joshua does not want to shrink smaller and smaller and make Jesus Christ wax greater in his ministry. TB Joshua and the wisemen try to obscure and obfuscate Who Jesus Christ actually is and why He has come. That is how you will know Who the true God is. And of course By the Word and Testimony of II Thessalonians 2. Whole chapter. Jesus is Lord. Amen

    • Very insightful comment Jesse, thanks. Many people forget that counterfeits by their very definition look very, very similar to the real thing. So much so that many believe it really is the real thing.

    • Gilles

      The first time I watched Emmanuel TV.
      My husband and I were shocked at the way the wisemen were using their hands to control people movements.
      We looked at each other and said “what is that? What are they doing” we both shook our heads and said that’s not right.
      I have attended several such gathering but have never seen anything like it.something is surely not right.
      And why is this sort of hand moving only seen at SCOAN?

      • Hi Jacky
        It also shocked me too and am still wondering what that could be. But after reading from other people and different articles, I have come to realize that, occultics do control people like that. They also use that means to heal. Many are blinded by the miracles they see and forget to test the spirit based on scripture to see if it is coming from God.

  80. U ar crazy pastor. U cal urself a pastor bt u lack discernment. U c d gud wrks of tb joshuah hs charity wrk, hw god is mitely usng hm in healng d sick, deliverng d possd nd helpng d dwn trodden. Let me ask u a questn, y doesnt he has a persnal car why does he always care 4 d poor. Pastor u ar bn jealous.Satan is usng u to sabbotage d image of ds man of God. It’s quite unfortunate dat u a pastor alow ursf to b usd by satan

    • Someone doing good works does not make them holy.
      Do theives not care for their children and make sure that they are protected.
      I worked for the most devilish person for about 7 years.
      Yeah he gave to the poor, that did not make him any less devilish than he was.
      Mind you he only did that because he wanted to make other people think good of him and also cause other branches of the company did.
      But it was always very difficult for him to even give, his heart was not really in it.
      In most christian circles when someone gives to the poor, it’s done not for show and at most times anonymously.
      There are too many ignorant and gulliable people around.don’t worry the truth will come out.

      • You said that right, Jacky, there are too many gullible and ignorant people who call themselves Christians, who don’t know the Bible, who only know what an ignorant fellow like TBJ teaches them. Is it any wonder that the Lord said many shall be deceived ?

  81. To you all, hear this:
    TB Joshua is a man and not god, neither an angel from revelattion, nor the messiah. He is a man like you and I. Any ”revelation” about him that is contrary to the bible and saying that he is this or that are from the pit of hell in order to mislead people’s conception about the genuine identity of tb joshua cp jude9. He is not even a biblical personality that has reappeared on earth, no, he is a human being like you and I, not elija,nor enoch or stephen from the bible; he is tb joshua, a man of our generation; do not make the mistake prophet brahnam committed; If tb joshua is a ”celestial being”, then all christians born-again, I mean born from heaven, are also ”celestial beings”,or better said, we are all heavenly citizens, the body of Christ: check it in Ephesians2:5-6;Philipians3:20,Rom8:29;2cor3:18.
    Tbjoshua himself has never agreed that he was an angel or an alien. He is just a simple man being used by an extraordinary God !
    Sinning against the Holy-Spirit is attributing to the devil what originates from God the Holy-Spirit: Mark3:28-30. To better avoid this sin stop critizing anointed men that are working exploits with Almighty God on planet earth at Jesus’ command(try to do the same, I tell you it’s not easy to force God to use you that way, so shut up!)
    When you fight tbjoshua through your theologians or bible learning, you are most like pharisees who fought against the apostles of Christ through their knowlege of the law(cp saul persecuted the church before Jesus mercifully reveals Himself to him). Beware now that you find yourself fighting against God (when it will be too late for you to recover from it) acts5:35-38, take heed of vs 38.

    • This is what 1 Peter 3:15 says “But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reasons for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect”. Paul was an apostle of Jesus who had series of encounters with false doctrines and false teachers. What did Paul do? did he sit quiet and watch them destroy the Gospel of Jesus? No Paul defended the faith by counteracting the false teachings and their propagators. It is a similar situation with us today, we are called to defend the faith so if we see false doctrines or teachings we need to stand against it. I am not against TB Joshua as a person, I am against some of the practices that I see in his ministry which are not biblical. Tell me where in scripture anointed water is used for salvation? Remember God will bring into judgment everything we do or say. Please don’t only be followers or fanatical but observe for yourself and see if what is going on is in line with scriptures. If not then you need to decry it because if you don’t as a child of God, you are sinning against God (compromise). Read James 4:17. The Christians of old verified from scriptures everything they were taught. Any practice today should be scriptural proven based on the context and cultural norms. Ofcourse I have always appreciated TB Joshua’s humanitarian work and his ministry to orphans and widows. If all the churches can do same, it will be wonderful and God will be gloried while many will be blessed. But those things should not close our eyes to the other things that are taking place there which are not biblical.

  82. So this blogsite is intended only for hateful comment against tb joshua? Is that right? I wrote a comment and you won’t publish it because it’s light scattering your darkness!

  83. among all those who were organised to visit SCOAN from U K in the previous years NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN CURED OF HIV : I am a living testimony, my wife is a living testimony, people in Birmingham and other area of the UK are testimonies. People have gone for repeated tests over months and years but were still positive. In some cases when the HIV positive persons went for tests after the so called healing from SCOAN, the testing machines developed faults – they were then requested to repeat the tests three or four time, but the turned out positive. . What is now happening is this: SCOAN London has stopped organising trips from UK to SCOAN Lagos because of the shame and the inconsistencies in their activities. This comment is not a joke. LET SCOAN tell the truth and ashame the devil !

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  85. Whilst this article will certainly rile those that hold SCOAN and Prophet TB Joshua in high esteem, it is a much needed clarion call in these perilous times.
    By definition a fan is described as a true follower. It is from this word we get the word fanatic. These are ones so obsessed with those they follow that they will defend, argue and refute all facts even if they stared them in the face. In extreme cases fanatics would even give their very lives to defend that which the believe.
    I wish this were okay in the case of SCOAN but unfortunately the truth is very bad. Unfortunately fans will never heed the warnings.
    It was the case with Rev. Jim Jones of the Jonestown massacre and even of the Movement for the restoration of the Ten Commandments were we saw a combined number of over 3000 people die literally!
    We ought to be very watchful and seek a discerning spirit through The Lord so that we may recognize (discern) what is of The Lord and what is not.
    So to those that get worked up, first “test the spirits” and discern and then see!

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  88. Prophet TB Joshua is TRUE MAN OF GOD. There from all directions will come believers and none believers, which is why Jesus died for our Sins. The fact is today TB Joshua has proven a point and it stays this way yesterday, today, and forever!! In Jesus Christ Name, In Jesus Christ Name. Praise The LORD!!

  89. Candle Holder,

    This man I know. I protect his integrity by calling him John Doe. I can call him Dave or David as well. It does not matter. And yes you want Hermeneutics, Apologetics, Theology, Gematria, Notarikon, and Exegesis. As well the teaching of the Holy Spirit to be put forward here.

    I am addressing you because you go round and round in circles same way. You know the reason why, I explained. You defend TB Joshua and SCOAN at all costs including your own salvation if it must be so, you don’t care. You must be paid for it or have been a former member of this church and you are so impressed by it all that you are completely hypnotized and taken away by it. Ie, Highjacked of your own personality to discern and investigate what is under the surface going on.

    I don’t do Science Fiction. if I did, I would watch rather Star Trek than TB Joshua or Emmanuel TV.

    You still have not answered about the fake deliverances that take place in every branch of SCOAN as well inside SCOAN as well about the leaders that travel the whole world to deliver people and themselves are possessed.

    I have never heard such crazy absurd stories and anecdotes. Just take one example. A pastor that is manifesting is telling the whole congregation that his demons are from Mercury and have a base there and that he nearly killed his wife with a broken bottle and that his daughter was able to stop him.

    Since the devil is one that kills, steals and destroys, it is unlikely that a child can stop a highly possessed pastor that manifests aggressively because of a demon that wants to kill his wife. Such lies and fantasy don’t go with me and should not go with you either. But you don’t care, you just play off your tape about accusation. These are facts and not fiction. All this is on video online for anyone to see, but you deny it that is not true and it is lies spoken by me. So then when that happens the focus will be on you instead of TB Joshua. It is as simple as that. I really wish that I could see you face to face and tell you off personally real good about this attitude and behavior that you have. But my concern is that anyone of you will retaliate towards me and my family and cause harm. I am not afraid but I have little interest into that. So it is unlikely to happen. Frankly a pity.

    Personally I find you very selfish, egoistic and defiant about what is going on in peoples personal lives. You don’t care a hoot about how some people have gone through traumatic experiences and even death and you have no respect about what happens to them and what they write here. This reveals the spirit you are operating under. You have no sensitivity and feelings whatsoever and you are running your own agenda and propaganda cannon here online to shoot down that even remotely would touch TB Joshua and his Wisemen.

    You have been caught by me several times issuing word curses towards people and me in the hope something will happen to them with your charismatic witchcraft manipulations. If you are a professing christian you should never move in such direction no matter what anyone writes, says or professes. On top you are setting the margins for people who are adults in their daily life and work and have families who depend on them. How can you wish bad things upon them ????

    You have deliberately refused to change course of your petty ways of titillating me and others. You do this just because you can. You have no insight in yourself that you are also full of failures, sins, misrepresentations and when you can sow confusion among others you don’t show any remorse or excuse that you can be very hurtful in your expressions at times as well. Again, you still don’t care. It’s the Candle Holder way of doing.

    Just because I wrote chapter 19 of Acts and not the first 5-6 verses which I meant you went off in a nasty tangent about some things that were totally irrelevant concerning the issues that are at hand concerning TB Joshua and his ministry. I have had bad experiences over there and no result of the maniacal ways of the presentation of Jesus Christ in SCOAN. And it is true that I am not alone here, there are many more. But you don’t care, you just want no justice to be done or correction. That means you condone evil and it’s works to continue.

  90. @ Candle Holder,

    It really does not matter to me if you don’t believe it. You don’t believe anyone here that they had very bad moments in SCOAN. It took me years to form a conviction like as I have.

    When I went first time I thought already things were strange. A woman named Dorcas who was a personal assistant at that time and was doing everything in her power to keep me away from TB Joshua. As if I was going to do something bad to him. There was no way to speak to him privately. All the time disciples had to stand in the door way and crawl in and out. Private is private, not with 30 ears involved coming in and out and disturbing a discussion. But it is what it is. Facts are that if you can do certain “things” that are unusual people will lay down at your feet. Nothing new.

    When the prophecy came, they took me aside and forced me to admit if what TB Joshua said was true. It wasn’t, so I had little interest to testify. I went with the flow for quite a while. I noticed that all matters were very controlling. It was uncomfortable. So it is in the branches. The branches are mainly run by certain families and that circle stays closed. They call the shots and no-one else. They travel abroad, no-one else. There is no room for anything else. Also they are Nigel and Nigella know-it alls unless they don’t have an answer they will fob you off with Oh, well, I am not God, He knows best.

  91. Candle Holder,

    I have never been to the moon. So I don’t know. But I know there is the = dark side of the moon. Pink Floyd sings about that. You want me to pluck a flower for you on the moon when I go there one day ?

  92. @ Jamie,

    Why should I report matters to him, he won’t listen anyways. Everything is “holy” in SCOAN and better, greater, superior and grandeur.

    No one is listening, just look at Candle Holder, he has been twice there, look how fanatic he has become. Just like that. No matter what you explain to Candle Holder that it is not accusation but facts, Candle holder does not care and does his own scenario about it’s all accusations and science fiction. I don’t know how Candle Holder’s family can put up with such fanaticism because if it is in Candle Holders beliefs it is also in Candle Holder the private person. For me it is ok, I can handle it, but for others this can be very scary and frightening. I don’t think it is good to be a fanatic. The world proves to be example of people who are fanatics in their faith. Always arguments, fights, twisting, manipulating, sledge hammering, and no it is has nothing to do with Jeremiah 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

    It’s far from that. This worries me sometimes of who is behind the keyboard from what spirit they are operating under. It is really concerning. Some believe it is a game and that they have to win at all costs to be the winner. Fanaticism is a terrible way in expressing your personal belief and relationship with God and Jesus.

  93. Yes, I am the one that make long comments. But you deserve it to have them. From me. Concerning garbage. You trash my carefully and prayerfully chosen words towards you anyways. You are unteachable, haughty, a propaganda cannon for TB Joshua, a person that is stuck on the “accusation syndrome”.

    Again you are speaking lies about that I don’t speak anything good about anyone. You don’t know me at all. I want to make clear to you that I speak as I see and experience it. You want me to gloss it over ? You have become acquainted with my words and are making them look common because you always know better, bigger, superior and more grandeur and go in circles about this stupid “accusation syndrome” even if the facts are staring in your face. You say it is not about you, but it is. I believe you are full of hot air and you don’t like it when someone puts a needle in your big blown puffed up balloon and deflates it.

  94. Sorry Mr. Terrific, I would love to, but I politely want to decline because of privacy reason as I said above.

    I can guess what it is about, but there is no point of doing that at all. Test it for yourself and you will see that I am right. The bible teaches Test the spirits whether they are out of God. 1 John 4. Its also ok if you don’t believe me, I am fine with that. I know what I have seen and what has happened. It is also ok when you mock me. God is my witness.

  95. Jesse,

    I am not paid for the Advocate role I choose here.
    I will quit if I am not able to do it anymore.
    I know one thing there are Christless character Christians that choose Accuser role on the globe in their life.
    You choose this role. Do it as you wish.
    Proof your charge that they are true.

  96. Jesse,

    You choose to have Accuser role, Do it properly not to atack me “ad personam” because it is bad, mundane grip that lowers your testimony.

  97. Jesse,

    Please, do not try to bite me ” ad personam” that I am fanatic, because I am not. Focus on your story and proof your charge. That is all.

  98. Candle Holder, do you not see the irony of you saying Jesse has a Christless character? How is it ok for you to be an accuser to Jesse, but not Jesse to be an accuser of TB Joshua? How is TB Joshua different?

  99. Jesse

    you are waesting your time with Candle holder and the liked of him who comment on this site.
    I stopped addressing him a while back, it’s like trying to get blood out of a wooden leg.TB Joshua is a liar and an oppurtunist.
    Why there is such a craze in Malawi over him is cause he supposedly saw the death of the late President Bingu.
    A commission on inquiry of the death was formed and they last week released the findings.
    It reads” the commission established that the president was not at all affected at all Bt TBJ prophecy.The commission estabalished that the presidents trip to Nigeria had nothing to do with TBJ prophecy but was a Government trip in connection to fuel supply to Malawi”
    I can testify to this at this time Fuel ws almost non existant, people were even walking to work.
    It continues “on the books by TBJ thy found their way to the president, the president was not the only one who received books by TBj in Malawi.
    The commission further find that the books had no bearing on the health or death .
    The commission further established that the president did acknowledge to TB in writing by letter dated 24 feb 2012 that he had received a book.
    The letter was merely thanking him for the book.
    The president wrote the letter under the mistaken belief that the books had been sent to him by TB himself directly……the presidents aides were pestered to get the president to write the letter, which he did.9 months after the book had found it’s way to the president( may/ June 2011)
    TBJ took the advantage of display it to his congregation, televised to the wider audience on his Emmanuel TV.But without disclosing the exact contents of the letter”
    I this it all clear now, how deceptive and liar he is.
    I know even with this some people are still not convinced.

  100. Tbjoshuawatch@

    I did not say that Jeese is Christless character. You did it trying to press what you have said into my mouth and this is your problem. You think too much, you say to much, you judge to much, that is why I am here to balance you.

  101. You said: “there are Christless character Christians that choose Accuser role on the globe in their life. You choose this role.” How else are we to take this sentence? If you think you are going to change our minds on TBJ, you’re wasting your time. None of us commenting or writing articles on this site immediately reacted negatively towards him, in fact most of us were initially very much “pro”, some were even long time disciples. It was after years of observing his teachings, practice and life that we’ve come to the position we’re now at – not to mention seeing the huge damage he has done to the lives of people we love, splitting up families and even causing unnecessary deaths. When you’ve seen what we’ve seen, there is no going back – that’s what you don’t seem to realise. You have limited exposure to TBJ, and based on that it’s not surprising you’re on his side, we were too at your stage. However, tread very carefully as you proceed – things are not how you think they are. The best thing you can do is forget you ever heard of the guy – don’t rally against him, don’t promote him, just pretend he doesn’t exist – you know Jesus, and that’s enough. You know already there is a lot to be concerned about regarding TB Joshua, we’ve seen in your previous comments that not everything sits right with you. This is the spirit of discernment at work, listen to it. You have nothing to lose but everything to gain by focusing on Christ alone.

  102. Tbjoshuawatch@

    “If you think you are going to change our minds on TBJ, you’re wasting your time.”

    For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned. (Matt 12:37)

    Yes, your writings is nothing more than accusation acts. You choose accusation role and the way, I choose advocate role and the way.

    There is a highier way that Apostle Paul is talking about but you seem not to see it yet at all.

    You wrote:

    We’ve seen in your previous comments that not everything sits right with you. What is it ?

    By the way are you from Tong family involved with Scoan?

  103. + 1

    What Candle Holder does not get is the true concept of discerning, experiencing and reading the online articles that it is exposing, uncovering, revealing rather than accusing. But I guess it is what it is. I pray for Candle Holder to understand that every day that Candle Holder the individual will be blessed, strengthened and have all the desires of Candle Holders heart. From God Himself and I wish Candle Holder all the good things from Jesus Christ.

  104. Candle holder you seems to put your trust so much in man rather than in Christ. One thing you have to know is that man will fail but God never fails. You should not always think that what you see in the name of miracle is coming from God. Inasmuch as it can come from God, it can also come from the devil. Jesus said many will cast out demons in my name. He equally said he will tell many I know you not you workers of iniquity. Let the Bible be our watch word for everything we say and do.

  105. Candleholder is very much caught in the T B Joshua scam and delusion ! I can relate to him, because I was there at one point, and it is all due to ignorance and stupidity. Until the brainwashing and hypnotism clears, it is extremely difficult to get out of this jungle of ignorance and foolishness, but God is able and will deliver those who seek Him diligently. My experience at SCOAN has really opened my eyes to fraud and deception in the church, and many are being deceived in fulfillment of the prophecy spoken by the Lord. Let us continue to wage war on behalf of those caught in this deception, and sooner than later there will be deliverance.

  106. Mr terrific
    you say that TBJ is ignorant of scripture, he knows exactly what he is doing by twisting scripture and sending peoples souls to be damned.He knows that people adore him and will hang on to his every word.
    I know of a pastor personally who conducted prayers of someone who had been to scoan and had been prayed for by TB Joshua.
    When he returned home that day, he found it hard to sleep at night.
    All he saw was TB Joshua telling him that he is his sheild.And made a pact with him of blood as he slept.
    TB Joshua pricked him self and pricked this guy also and joined their blood together.
    Deliverance for this guy took hours as the demons he received were so strong in the end he was free.
    That was the first and last time he went there.

  107. @ Gilles,
    Thank you for asking such interesting questions, and it is my pleasure and duty to answer them. First of all, don’t be deceived by any humanitarian activities. After all, the money DOES NOT BELONG TO TBJ, BUT TO THE LORD’S PEOPLE. It’s all part of the camouflage to get more and more money out of the Lord’s people for his own self-interest, to be seen as kind or generous, but TBJ has no love in his heart. He is incapable of loving anyone, because love is of God, but false prophets are of Satan and have no love. They love money and the desire to live comfortably above all others, while others suffer in abject penury and lack.
    As for the wise men, I don’t know about them or whether they are married, but while I was there, the adherents had to obtain permission before they slept with their wives. TBJ has the spirit of adultery and lusts after other men’s wives. Indeed, he slept with Kayode’s wife and got her pregnant. By the way, Kayode was one of his adherents, and now the leader of Awakener’s Chapel in Ghana.
    TBJ has false humility, and all of us were taken in by it. He is a master of deceit, lies and deception, just like Satan his master.
    I was watching CNN here in America, when I saw someone doing exactly what TBJ does with his hands and legs and body and I was aghast ! The man was practicing the ancient Chinese art of Quigon( Chigon ), which the Chinese use for healing. Since then, I have learnt about other mystical and demonic forms of healing such as Reiki and others. In other words, TBJ practices Chigon. He is just like many false prophets who use divination to “prophesy.”
    I was also deceived by the miracles, and testimonies and now I know that many were manipulated. Indeed, TBJ came to Ghana to deceive 22 million Ghanaians with miracles involving 20 Ghanaians who are now dead. TBJ uses people, people who are hungry and wretched and depend on him for everything. Over the years, these people have been part of a grand scheme to project TBJ as ” man of God,” while hiding his atrocious activities of fornications, adulteries, lies and manipulations, but the handwriting is already on the wall, and this Synagogue of Satan will fall, it’s just a matter of time when the treachery of TBJ shall be fully revealed, so those caught in this deception could be set free !

  108. @ Gilles,
    Further to your enquiry, let me say that TBJ is man of duplicity, who cannot be trusted. He has one thousand faces, one for each person he comes across and he is never sincere with himself or anyone. Talk of the sincerity of Satan !
    I remember an incident during the early years of SCOAN in Ghana. TBJ’s adherents behaved badly and were scorned by many Ghanaians, and do you know what TBJ said ? He said, even if he had sent dogs to Ghana, they should be respected because of who he is ! Now let me ask you, Temitope Balogun Joshua, who are you ? Who are you reeeee ? Do you not remember the day you left your poor village of Arigidi in Ondo State of Nigeria, without a penny to your name ? Today, you have come very far because for years you have been able to deceive many with your lies and manipulation, but your day of reckoning has come. I have a top secret which I’m not going to share with anyone until it is fulfilled, and we wait to see ! Doe, where are you ?

  109. @Jacky,
    I agree with you, he knows exactly what he is doing, damning souls and sending people to hell along with him, because he is of his father the Devil, the father of lies and deceit and destruction. In any case, TBJ does not know the Scriptures, though he twists some of them. He never had much formal education, nor any sound training in the Scriptures, and that’s why I say he is ignorant and stupid, though he thinks he is smart, because he is able to fool people who are more educated than himself.

  110. Mr Terrific,
    What do you have to say about TB Joshua’s humanitarian activities? A camouflage? What about the wise men is any of them married or they are not allowed to get married. Also the way they used their hands to control people when they are conducting deliverance is that not more of ocultic way of healing? I really want to know many things since I have never been there and I have been wondering aloud about these things. I watch alot of miracles on screen and sometimes you can be tempted to believe that what people are saying or writing against TB Joshua is false. Also his humility and simplicity can cause one to believe people are just out to those his image. But what I know is that one day the truth about him will be out. The Bible says there is nothing hidden that shall not be known and nothing covered that shall not be revealed. (Luke 8:17). If TB Joshua is a fake and has been hiding alot of things, then one day God will bring everything into the open for the whole world to see. That is what I believe and it is in the scripture. I don’t always like when people focus on miracle and forget about the word of God. If TB Joshua was teaching more of the word and less or no miracle we would not see the large crowd that goes there. This is what the devil does, he sees the areas that people are more pruned to and uses that area with counterfeit miracles and prophecies to attract them more to that and forget about the Gospel that saves.

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