REPOST: TB Joshua and deliverance. Is it biblical?

A response on twitter to one of TB Joshua’s deliverance videos (not recommended viewing)

Britain has Jeremy Kyle, America has Jerry Springer, Nigeria has TB Joshua. What do these three have in common? They are widely broadcast men who have many troubled people come to them for “deliverance” of some sort which is broadcast to an international audience. These troubled people inevitably embarrass themselves on TV, much to the delight of the audience who are not sure whether to be amused or disgusted, but like the proverbial car wreck can’t keep their eyes off the undignified way the people on screen are behaving. Finally, all these shows have a “saviour”. A man who is there to solve the problems these troubled people have, and the only person who comes out the other side looking good. In short, these men come out the only real winners.

Deliverance is biblical, Jesus is recorded delivering many people from demons. However, the way Jesus delivered people restored their dignity, it didn’t rob them of any shreds of it they had left. For example, a well known exorcism is the naked man whose demons are cast out and enter the pigs. In this incident (Mark 5:1-20) a crowd gathers and are amazed (in fact, so amazed the bible says they were afraid), but they’re not amazed at the spectacle of the deliverance, they’re amazed that this man is now sitting fully clothed and in his right mind – the crowd witnessed the change in the man, but were not permitted to see the deliverance itself.

Another spectacular deliverance recorded in scripture is the demon possessed boy in Mark 9:14-29. It says that “When the spirit saw Jesus, it immediately threw the boy into a convulsion. He fell to the ground and rolled around, foaming at the mouth.” Sounds rather like an episode of Emmanuel TV so far, until Jesus notices a crowd running to the scene, so quickly and instantly rebukes the demon and sets the boy free. Again, Jesus is careful not to make a spectacle of this poor boy’s condition.

Jesus’ deliverances are shown in scripture to be quick, direct (“He [Jesus] drove out the spirits with a word” Matthew 8:16) and they restore soundness of mind and dignity to the individual. TB Joshua’s make a mockery of the person, and in at least one high profile case, they make no difference at all (as reported by Giles here, and here). In another case, ex disciple Graham reported that another highly publicised healing/deliverance that happened privately was reenacted on camera so it could be broadcast (the boy with the blocked throat). Can anyone imagine Jesus engaging in this kind of deception? (Note from the editor: We now have indisputable indisputable proof that Emmanuel TV engages in deceptive video editing)

If someone has a gift of deliverance, then of course he should be using it, but use it in the way modelled by Jesus, not in a way that is self serving and turns sick individuals into mini internet sensations after being delivered in an undignified way, or having a youtube video put out about their addiction to sniffing faeces, eating foam matresses, bedwetting or drinking kerosene (all genuine Emmanuel TV deliverances, easily confirmed via google, but we won’t dignify them with links).

A common reaction to this kind of argument is the pragmatic one: “His deliverance’s work don’t they?”. If you go only by what you see on Emmanuel TV, then of course you’ll believe that. The true fruit won’t be evident for days, weeks, months or even years after the supposed deliverance – and it won’t be seen on camera.

40 thoughts on “REPOST: TB Joshua and deliverance. Is it biblical?

  1. This article is enlightening! The Lord Jesus is absolutely our example! It is time to study the inspired scriptures for us to walk in the truth and also to know the true ways of God.

  2. @ Samuel,

    You said ” expand your ministry”

    Uhuh, expanding the ministry, huh….emphasis on expanding….again Jesus did never do anything to expand “the ministry” He did what God instructed Him to do and not add or subtract to it to create a private self-glorification agenda to make the show displayed look ravishing and full of excitement and then promote here you must go, because it is “happening” , clap for Jesus, here, folks.

    You all can clap, dance, jolt all you want. Deliverance, casting out devils and spirits as Jesus did is NOT a show with cameras on top, spotlights burning their eyes, mic’s shoved in your face and should never ever be used to “expand” the ministry that is not your ministry but God’s alone. In all that, nobody is taught and learned in how to do it themselves than sitting passively warming their pew, smirk and clap.

  3. TB Joshua watch are dumbfounded fools who have nothing good to offer, they are jobless and are making money from their fellow dumbfounded fools who believe their fake articles of blasphemy against the anointed man of God. They will answer to these on the last day if God made them judges over TB Joshua

  4. the man u are talking about is highly fevoured by GOD and by people who are in the light,no light no life,

    • There are deliverances and Deliverances. It is biblical, but the way it is done is important. There are 3 realms, earth, demon-realm and the Heaven where Jezus is seated. A wrong deliverance is done by a ministery, that works up-wards, from-out the natural, through the demon-realm, too heaven. They fight and battle for one end with demons and sin-consiousness, and count on the Anotings coming from their spirit-man. This deliverances are Always with a lot of works and spektakles. The right Deliverance, is from-out the standpoint of being in the place where Jezus is sitting at the right-hand of His Father. This ministers are walking in the Christ-identity, and deliver with mercy, care and ease, as Jezus did. Their position is IN Jezus, they work from-out heavenly standpoint and have the right attitude. They have over-come the demon-realms, as Jezus over-came. They walk by The Holy Spirit and are called. The deliverances done from-out the natural, are mostly god-men who have a lot of personal problems them-selves, because they work by the law, not by grace. They dont understand their identity in Christ. They count on powers, and the Word, and the Name of Jezus, but in the opposite direction. Their deliverances are humiliating and violent, because it is related to the flesch, carnality of the people, not on who they are in Christ. Christ treated His people as Himself. Only god-men who understand their Identity IN Christ can deliver as Jezus did.

      • @ Jamie,
        I am not sure if I understand you in your post ? Do you mean that you first need to be in some sort of position to cast out demons ? And do you mean with sitting where Jesus is sitting ?
        Are you referring to…
        Ephesians 1:17-23
        That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us- ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
        22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
        And
        Ephesians 2:4-7
        But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

    • Hi Florence,
      I understand you see things your way. Lets look at it how God looks at it. Let me take you to:
      Acts 10:34-35
      Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is NO respecter of persons:35 But in EVERY nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is ACCEPTED with him.
      Have you ever read such in your Bible, Florence ? And if you did, could you tell me what it means in regards to TB Joshua or me, or anyone ?
      If you find it difficult to answer me, just ask me or someone of the TB Joshua team and I/we will help you with it, if you allow me/us. Let’s get it right in your thinking process and you might learn something that you did not know.
      Will you response, Florence ?

  5. @Robinson,
    It is people like you that cause right-thinking individuals to agree with @tbjoshuawatch. Why do you have to post such drivel while claiming to be a true Christian?
    I visited the antithesis of this blog ( watchtbjoshua) today and I must say that Robinson’s tone is exactly what is found there through and through.
    Robinson, if you are a true Christian, how do you apply Mt 5 vs 44 in your life?
    BTW @tbjoshuawatch, was watchtbjoshua established after you had established your blogsite? Is its main mission to rebutt whatever you post?
    Thanks and God bless

    • Watch TB Joshua was setup in response to TB Joshua Watch by someone who used to comment on here by the name of Soe. What you see these days is more sane than it used to be!

    • @ Survivor,
      I have a strange question for you, I apologize. It all of sudden came up in me and then I had to ask you……please forgive if it does not ring a bell, but it did to me.
      Does this Robinson “ride” horse or is he involved in equestrian kind of things, like not wearing smart head wear while at it ?
      You know like “heads up ! And “champion” imprinted on the thing” ahem, that sort of thing ? I know it sounds kinda odd, but that went through my head just now.

    • I’m not a born again Christian you fool. If you can’t be calm and see my point I’m ready for you on this post. I have read a lot of your fake, senseless and unproven lies and blasphemous articles against the Prophet of God but I have never commented before. I I will keep insulting you fools as you are doing all these against TB Joshua. I’m not a born again so I can do anything. You can’t fool me with your deception. Since you control the comments that’s left for you if you would let my comment be posted or not, but as long as you continue to write fake articles against Prophet TB JOSHUA I will never take it easy with you. Good luck.

      • Wow, Survivor, Robinson sure answered your question, eh?
        Annnnnddd….the truth is out. It’s not just “born again Christians” who believe in TBJ. This guy insists not just once but twice that he is not a born again Christian.
        Now, how could a man who supposedly teaches the pure Gospel of Jesus Christ inspire such devotion in someone who is not a Christian? Hmm. There’s a question to ponder. I know the answer.
        @Robinson, if you are not a Christian, what god do you serve, and why do you refer to Jesus? And which god is TBJ prophet of?
        Or, are you saying that you believe in Jesus Christ and the God of Christianity, but deliberately choose not to be born again so that you can do as you please without being accountable to the Holy Spirit?
        Please, elaborate and explain!

  6. Jesse, yes, we Stand literarly in the Authority of the ressurected Jezus. It is a step in Faith, to claim what He is, what He already has done for us by the Finished Works on the Cross. The cross gives the blessings, the forgiveness of sin and the healing. The ressurected Jezus gives the Authority to act as Him. The old man died with Jezus on the cross, the new man raised-up from the daeth in the ressurection. This new man needs to be claimed, it is the Christ-identity. Who we are in Him. The book of Hebrew is about this New ordening. The new man is from Heaven and ethablished with Christ on His Trohn. , the old man is from the earth/world..

  7. por favor pesso a vossa ajuda ja pude priencher o questionario por quatro vezes mas nao recebo o convinte de eu puder viajar a lagos para visitar a igreja de todas nacoes.por favor .deiam a vossa resposta,aguardo o vosso email.deus vos abencoe.

  8. Hello brothers and sisters in Christ. I have long read. postings that are for Tb joshua and against. This is my first post ever so please bear with me if their are any mistakes. I urge u all to become Bereans and study the Word of God and earnestly desire to know His Truth. I reside here in South Africa and we too are plagued by charlatans masquerading as men of God but truly brethren consider that a true man of God seeks no glory, fame or fortune from doing his Kings work. Any glory belongs to our Lord Jesus the Christ and Father God. It although very prevalent in Africa and has totally corrupted the True Gospel.This is the pride of life and are fruits of the enemy
    Your freedom deliverance and Hope is in Christ alone and not any man. You too are a child of the most High. No man belongs on any pedestal. Wake up people oF God and arise from the deception. We are in the last days and need to be aware of what is going on around us. Pray ,study and research for your self proving all things. Solo Christos

  9. Hello Clingers, The lodge of TB Joshua watch blog !!

    You cling everything as I see. Cling yourself to repenting from your judgments, and slanders. It is the best solution for your soul sickness. Thank you for prompting SCOAN by your slandering way !!!
    You mess up yourself totally. Repent form your stupidity, which you gain by your unfaithfull ways.

    SBM

  10. @ Kiki,

    A favorite riddle: “How many legs will a sheep have if you call the tail a leg?” Most people answered, “five.” Lincoln then replied that the answer was four, because calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg. His moral was that you can’t solve a problem by simply changing a word or name to something that looks like it.

    This exactly what Watch TB Joshua does with their fantasy stories.

    Calling TB Joshua the messiah or deliverer of our time. Just because it looks like it, does not mean it is real. That is why you will always defend yourself because you yourself cannot prove it is real, simply you have made it real because you are telling yourself it is real. Fact is, a tail, will never be a leg, so TB Joshua will never be a messiah of our time than what his followers are making of it with their ignorant being deceived self hypnosis. Fact !

  11. @ TBJW,
    “The lodge of TBJW”, lol.
    I gotta check one of those rooms out while I am travelling one of these days. I hope you offer lovely and cosy bed and breakfast with contemporary rooms with jacuzzi’s, because I reallllly don’t like to travel on an empty stomach after a good night’s sleep and having a good washing myself and good a hair dye because that purple punk hair style is really bothering and annoying me. Hiiiehhh.
    Sorry, I just watched a clip with somebody who was detected by TB Joshua something about Freemasonry.

    • Robinson says:
      March 3, 2014 at 6:13 pm

      …………..”I’m not a born again Christian you fool”………………
      …………………”I will keep insulting you fools”………………….

      “And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ to a brother or sister will be in danger of the fire of hell’ – Jesus our Great God and Savior said – Mathew 5:22.

  12. @ M,
    For your response to Robinson’s lunacy, + 1!
    @ Robinson,
    Do you realise how bad a picture you are painting of TBJ by your lunacy, for lack of a better term?
    @ Jesse
    This Robinson guy is personification of insanity!

    • To all and M,

      I keep on feeling to bring this series of Dr Walter Veith again under your attention.

      Total Onslaught:

    • @Survivor ,Justwonder ,M

      Why have you never tell Jesse the same you told and said about Robinson??
      Jesse has been even worse in WTBJ site.
      I guess Matthew 7:5 is too invisible for you to read it as always.
      When you dare to read it and put it in action ,then comeback and teach what you do yourselves.

      • Which way I did?Of course TBJW supporters never do anything,they are always innocent when others are always bad.Good luck with your innocence.
        And good luck to TBJW moderator that refused to post my comment that was exposing your lies!

  13. There is a great contradiction in the deliverance-doctrine of TB Joshua (and other churches),. They accept at one hand, that sins are forgiven by the Cross and by accepting Jezus Christ as our Lord. This is where most christians come for and where they start their convertion. They have become a new creation. And they have to learn to let this new creation grow to maturity. The strange things is in the scoan, that they admit that sins are forgiven, and start without any discernement the following casting-out-session , ‘to cast-out all the evil and demons “in the people. So, at one hand the people are forgiven of all their sins, and at the other hand they seem to be full of evil and demons. In fact they create the old sins over and over again, because they dont know how to stand in the forgiven-position. Every christian knows how to repent and to turn from sin. It is already done for us, by Jezus on the cross. Believers seem to want to work for it, while they just have to open up and accept the facts of the Finished works. A church as scoan, stimulates sin-consiousness (OT), and not the new consiousness of living by Grace. (NT).

  14. Seek you first the KINGDOM OF GOD. Secondly His RIGHTEOUSNESS. Then thirdly EVERYTHING ELSE will be handed unto you. Right? I do not see any SPECIAL PLACE where you have to go for this portion of Scripture to be applicable to you. Take care.

  15. Need one prophecy that an Airline Accident will happen on Take off or Landing? These are likeliest times for an aeroplane accident as very rarely do flight accidents occur at cruising altitude. Another good play on statistical probabilities.

    • Exactly, but the crazy thing is, whatever happened to this Malaysian jet, it didn’t happen at take off or landing. It happened at least 1-2 hours after takeoff. He predicted something statistically likely, and edited it down to make it fit something very unlikely.

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