Why do the accusers of TB Joshua take so long to tell their stories?

A while ago Madelaine wrote a post asking “How can the abuse claims against TB Joshua be verified“. In this post we ask “Why have the alleged victims taken so long to tell their story?”

Someone recently brought up an interesting point in the comments. How could someone who now claims to have been sexually abused by TB Joshua have continued being part of his organisation, even in roles of great responsibility for so much time after the alleged crime? This was in reference to a story Cautious told in part 1 of his account, but the same questions could be asked of other people who allege to have been sexually abused by TB Joshua, such as Bisola or Anneka (this post links to these accounts of abuse and others).

On the face of it, this is a fair question, though it ignores some of the reasons for not speaking out that we mentioned here. However, it also shows very little understanding of the nature of sexual abuse. In this post we look at a recent article about child abuse that can help us understand the psychological dynamics at work. While victims may have been over 18 at the time, TB Joshua was in a position of absolute authority over them, and they effectively lived “under his roof” in a place where everyone has absolute allegiance to TB Joshua (this context has been discussed in a couple of previous posts on this blog). In that sense, these alleged crimes shares similarities with cases where fathers abuse their daughters (even more so considering the disciples call TB Joshua Daddy).

In this this article, there are some interesting comments from experts in the field who shed some light on this matter. According to Jeanetta Issa, the president and chief executive officer of the Child Abuse Prevention Association (CAPA), child abusers rarely fit the stereotype of a creepy-looking man. They’re often some of the most likable, gregarious people around. They get close to their victims by charming not only them, but their parents also. This creates a situation where it is doubly hard for the child to speak out because they know how highly others think of the abuser – who is going to believe them?

Elizabeth Saewyc, a nursing professor at the University of British Columbia who specializes in treatment of abused children says that “When someone is a very prominent and powerful figure, it is very difficult for people to feel like they should say bad things about them, people may also start to doubt themselves, worrying that they’ll ruin the suspected abuser’s life if they’re wrong.”

Referring to the recent abuse case covered up at Penn State, Saewyc said, people who heard about the alleged abuse may have been blinded by their loyalty to their organization. “When it’s a prominent person in a respected institution, there is going to be damage, not just to that person but to the institution,” Saewyc said. “People may pay attention to those consequences.”

These points are all extremely pertinent to the abuse claims at SCOAN. TB Joshua is, by all accounts an extremely likable, gregarious person. He has charmed many thousands of people to the extent that most could not even process the possibility that these abuse claims could be true. Even those who may have an inkling of doubt in their minds will be aware that these allegations being true and becoming widely known would cause untold damage to SCOAN. What would come of all the thousands who are blessed by this ministry? These worries will cause them to suppress any element of doubt they might otherwise have had.

If you are like that, if you’ve had moments of doubt when you’ve wondered if these allegations might be true, we urge you to dig deeper. Ask SCOAN why they’ve never allowed these allegations to be investigated. Ask yourself why allegations have come from several different, unconnected sources, yet have been strikingly similar? Read up on the abuse scandals in the Catholic church where children were abused by their “Men of God”, yet many of the victims kept quiet for years.

We’re not saying these allegations are definitely true – we’d have no evidence to support that claim. What we’re saying is that these allegations are serious enough that they definitely deserve to be investigated thoroughly and transparently. Until that is done, we will continue to give them a voice.

If you are a SCOAN supporter who sees no reason why these serious claims should be investigated, please tell us why in the comments.

53 thoughts on “Why do the accusers of TB Joshua take so long to tell their stories?

  1. I would like you to know that Visser not belongs to TBJ watch blogers. I am just outsider jumping from one blog to another. I may say that some people from TBJ blog write things that build but some of you are full of acid and this destroyes this blog. I am curious who makes top decision to start next subject, because by this one that you created you are destroying all which were good again. It makes that you invite all kind of scoffers, accusers and all sort of rubish to your blog. Poor people again going around the same circle. Good luck !!! I withdraw. Are you going to sue TBJ ? Are you making fun of yourself ?

    • Hi Visser. What was it that you found acidic about the article? I thought it raised some good points. Do you think these allegations should be ignored? If so, why? Don’t you think it strange that if you google the names of all the nigerian pastors who appeared in the Forbes rich list recently, it is only TB Joshua’s name that comes up linked to sex scandals? I’m not saying all the others are faultless, I’m quite sure they’re not – but this goes to show you can’t say that these kind of allegations are just part of the mega-preacher territory. Since these allegations exist, isn’t it right that SCOAN should seek to set the record straight? Notice how even in his response to Bisola Johnson (Beware of Blasphemers) he cunningly dodges the issue by instead focusing on her shady past. He doesn’t once claim the allegations are false.

      • IAN, VISSER IS VERY GOOD. YOU ARE SAYING SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE AFRAID OF CONTESTING YOU ARE JUST LIKE CAUTIOUS. THE BATTLE YOU ARE FIGHTING IS OF FLESH & BLOOD WHILE TBJ IS FIGHTING THE PRINCIPALITIES OF DARKNESS. TO MY VIEW, YOU SEEM TO BE OF THE DARKNESS.YOU ARE JELOUSE OF TBJ AND YOU DON’T SLEEP AT NIGHT WHEN YOU THINK OF HOW YOU CAN DESTROY HIM,WATCHOUT DON’T SAY YOU WERE NOT WARNED BECAUSE NOW YOU ARE TEMPERING WITH THE CHILD OF GOD, NOT JUST THE CHILD BUT THE ONE GOD HAS NOMINATED.
        YOU WORRY TO MUCH ABOUT HIM RATHER THAN SEEKING THE FACE OF THE LORD AND GET SALVATION.IF YOU SAY YOU ARE SAVED BUT STILL HAVING THESE ACCUSATION YOU BETTER GO ON YOUR KNEES AGAIN AND SEEK FORGIVENESS FROM THE LORD. OUR GOD DO NOT LIKE HIPOCRETS. GOD USES ONLY THE CLEAN VESSELS NOT FILTHY VESSELS.
        YOU CAN FOOL SOME PEOPLE BUT NOT ALL WILL LISTEN TO YOUR STUPID ACCUSATIONS, ACTUALLY YOU ARE IRRETATING US.BECAUSE I DONT SEE HOW YOU CAN CALL YOURSELF THE CHILD OF THE LIVING GOD WITH SUCH ACCUSATIONS. DONT YOU KNOW WHAT GOD SAID? HE STATED THAT NOT EVERY ONE WHO IS CALLED BY HIS NAME IS TRULLY THE CHILD OF HIM.TBJ, IM SO MANY MILES AWAY FROM SCOAN BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT TELLS ME THAT HE IS THE CHILD OF THE LIVING GOD. I BELIEVE IN EVERYTHING HE DOES BECAUSE I BELIEVE GOD IS IN CONTROL.
        MAYBE YOU ARE MENTALLY HANDICAPPED AND I RECOMMEND THAT YOU VISIT SCOAN & YOU WILL BE DELIVERED AS MANY HAS BEEN DELIVERED THERE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. I WOULD ALSO ADVISE YOU TO TELL THE MEN YOU SAY ARE MEN OF GOD THAT THEY MUST START TO WORSHIP & PRAISE GOD NOT TO SAY SCRAMPS ABOUT TBJ, PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND THEIR CALLING AS WE UNDERSTAND THAT OF TBJ. START TO REPEND AND GOD WILL LIFT YOU UP AND STOP TO HUNT TBJ LIKE A LOST SHEEP. WE GIVE HIM 100% SUPPORT NO MATTER THE ACCUSATIONS AND WE ADORE HIM SO MUCH!!!!!!! BACK OFF!!!!!!!! FROM HIM PLEASSSSSSSSSSE.

  2. You can investigate. In my opinion it is only going to buzz and nothing else. First. You are not able to go to the court. Second: You have no real proofs, only words and only some spoken presumptions. Therefore the way you want to go to, but you are not able to move forward is like bumping the wall all the time. So good luck but without me!

    • Hi Visser, don’t leave just yet – I’d be interested to know your thoughts on this. Under normal circumstances I think I’d agree with you, these women should either make a formal charge against the man or leave him alone! However, this situation is a lot more complicated. Most of these women who have spoken out about this are not Nigerian, and it’s been when they’ve been out of Nigeria they’ve told their story (supposing these allegations are true, imagine how difficult it would be to tell someone. It wouldn’t be surprising if the women couldn’t find the courage till out of the country). Once they’re out the country who do they report it to? Local law enforcement? What can they do about it? Go back to Nigeria to press charges? Even if Nigeria did have “just” justice system, how would they afford the costs of going back there and waiting for the case to go through? As it happens, from what I read money gets you a long way in Nigeria, so being one of the top 5 richest pastors is sure to help.

      Given all this background, this is why I support this site making the allegations public. I don’t think TB Joshua has done anything to help clear his name, so in my opinion the public ought to know. Like I said previously, other Nigerian megapastors don’t have these scandals attached to them, so why TB Joshua?

      Suppose these allegations are true – what would you suggest these women did? I’d be really interested to know.

    • IAN PLEASE STOP PLAY ON THIS BLOG WITH YOUR DIRTY LIFE STYLE. TBJ IS NOT OUR SAVIOUR.JESUS CHRIST IS OUR SAVIOUR AS WELL AS TBJ. YOU ARE THE ONE SAVING THE DEAD god BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW HIM HE DOES NOT EXIST. SO STOP YOUR STUPID GAMES MAYBE WE NEED TO SUE FOR THE WRONG ACCUSATION YOU ARE DOING ABOUT THE MAN OF GOD. MAYBE YOU DONT KNOW TBJ IS HAVING WEALTHY CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION YOU ARE WARNED.NEXT TIME THINK AGAIN MAY OUR GOOD GOD GIVE YOU HIS GRACE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOOD AND BAD.GOD BLESS YOU AS YOU START TO CONSIDER FACTS NOT TO ACCUSE

      • Hi Lindiwe
        Please can you confirm what you have just said. It looks as if you have said
        “Jesus Christ is our Saviour as well as TBJ”
        Is this actually what you mean?

      • No Madelain what i said is that JEUS CHRIST is mine & as well as TBJ’s saviour and we both serve the living GOD.

      • @Lindiwe – I find some of your comments to Ian on this site offensive. I know that if Ian is offended he can raise this with the moderator and I have thought hard about raising this in that way.

        While most people visiting this site will be christians, what sort of witness are these personal attacks for non-christians visiting this site? The particular comments I have found offiensive are that you have accused him of having a ‘dirty lifestyle’ without knowing anything about him and you have said that he is ‘mentally handicapped’. In the case of the latter you appear to be using the phrase as an insult – I object to that, are you saying that people with learning disabilities are somehow inferior to those of us that God has awarded different abilities?

        You do not know Ian (nor do I), please stop using capital letters to ‘shout’ at him and please treat him (and all others on this site) with respect.

        As far as I’m concerned this site is about people understanding what the allegations about TBJoshua are and whether it is possible to establish the truth behind those allegations – it is not about personal abuse. I can understand that you feel passionately about things that Ian is saying, but please remember that what you type is here forever and can be misunderstood by others.

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  4. Things to be put aside, fall under the statute of limitations. Without medical proofs accustation for such things are always dismissed. It does not mean that I consider TBJ to be guilty. My point is that he is not. Why? “Dolus omnimodo puniatur” from Latin court sentence, means that: Malice should not be presumed. Every court starts from it. It is normal procedure in courts from centuries. So for every lawer words of accusations means nothing until they are prooved. Everyone who lives in accusations that are unproved lives in very bad psychological state. Such teaches court metodology. Even Bible warns us to be far from accusations. Read: 1 Peter 3.15 “Sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts” instead of witch hunting. I am giving you good advise, but do what you like.

    • But in the case of a court of law, the accusation is the essential first stage. After that it gets investigated and a jury decides the verdict. Given what you know about these accusations, and the context surrounding them (see what Mr Terrific said about Nigeria) how should these accusations be handled? Should they be totally ignored? If the allegations were true (and we can’t know that they’re not) wouldn’t that be a miscarriage of justice? Wouldn’t that be letting the corruption of Nigeria rob the world of the truth? That doesn’t seem like light winning over darkness? I entirely concede that this is a complex situation, but it doesn’t seem right to me that it should be totally ignored. That would seem totally unjust, and God is a God of justice. I’d genuinely be interested if you have an alternative way to deal with this, but in my mind ignoring it is not an option.

  5. Considering the corrupt and lawless system in Nigeria and the fact that TBJoshua has connections in “high places” there, and considering that these unfortunate victims live under his roof, these cases would be hard to be prosecuted in Nigeria. This is one of the reasons TBJ has his headquarters in Nigeria, where he is absolutely “secure” in his dastardly activities. But wait a minute, judgement is coming, and has come, and everything that is hidden shall be brought to light. This site must not relent in its efforts, but should continue to bring things to light. Certainly, you don’t need the likes of Visser to support this effort; God Himself has delivered judgement on TBJ, and it’s only a matter of time when everything shall be made manifest.
    ” Touch not mine anointed, ” 1 Chronicles 16:22, Psalm 105:15, does not provide immunity for any false prophet who does abominable things in the name of the Lord.Give publicity to these sinister crimes for those who do not have a voice, that the world may know what this sham called SCOAN is all about.

  6. Further, these allegations are 100% true ! Just because they’ve not been proven in court does not mean they did not happen. Many people are killed, but the murderers are not found, so does it mean nobody killed them because they were not proven in court ? Even Peter Kayode, an ex-disciple and first pastor of SCOAN Ghana, charges that TBJ slept with his wife and got her pregnant, while he was in Ghana and while his wife was under TBJ’s roof. When the pregnancy became obvious, Kayode’s wife, Lola, quickly had an abortion and left SCOAN. The problem is that there are still many out there under the delusion that TBJ is an “anointed man of God” and is beyond reproach. What they don’t know is that T B Joshua is just a petty criminal, disguising himself as an ” angel of light. ” 2 Cor 11:14-15.

    • Mr Terrific,

      How do you know that Lola had an abortion. Have you been with her at that time or you just says presumptions of someone else?

    • Mr Terrific, i dont understand why you so concern about the life you suspect about this man. i am just like pilate i wash my hands.Maybe you are Nigerians by birth, than that is why you ve got the dilemma with TBJ,than GOD IS the one who will see this through. God said thou should not JUDGE but it seems High Priest there are like Priest of old time sake.
      You have even forget about the commandments God stated in exodus 20. I dont say somebody is perfect here.But remember no one is perfect.
      what hurts me is that some people jelouse makes them say things they will tomorrow regret.
      iam a woman, if Biola & Lola Wants to lay a charge why dont they come forth and tell the truth as only the truth will set them free. On the other hand you may find that these ladies were send to SCOAN TO TEMPT this innocent man because they though he might have the feeling for themself, cant you see the woman he married is a down to earth CHRISTIAN AFRICAN WOMAN. Maybe the priet who are after TBJ FIND THEMSELVES SUROUNDED BY A EARTHQUAKE when viewing the area the man of God is living from. i mean everything about him is so great we can sense it from the distance and we really wish him well, through all the good things he does to the needy,cripples the uneducated kids in your area. guys—- you should consider yourself lucky to have someone like TBJ IN YOUR COUNTRY unloading you the scam OF YOUR CRUEL Nationality. IN SOME AREAS THERE IS NO ONE LIKE HIM, If i were the priest & all people saying bad things about him i was going to change my situation to the better than himself’s. PLEASE WAKE UP AFRICANS AND NOTICE GOOD THINGS RATHER THAN CONDERMING, MAY GOOD GOD BLESS YOU AFRICAN PEOPLE!!!!!!!

      • @ Lindiwe,
        First of all, God did not say we should not judge ! That is the biggest doctrine of demons in the world today. God says to avoid hypocritical judgement. Please read Matt 7:1-5 and not only Matt 7:1 ! John 7:24 also tells us to judge righteous judgement. If we’re not to judge, how are Christians to determine between right and wrong, truth and lies ?
        To answer your question, I’m concerned, because I know TBJ better than you do, and that he is a false Christ as Jesus warned us about in Matt 24:24, and I have a duty to warn the flock of the Lord about wolves in sheep’s clothing. Matt 7:15.

    • Hi Visser. Are you giving this advice because those who speak about these things should be fearful of the repercussions. Thanks for your concern if that is the case. But if talking about the allegations that this man has abused women brings the time nearer when he can no longer do this then it has to be done.

  7. @Doi, Soe, etc. – I have replied to many of your statements on the previous post if you perhaps missed it – moderator took a bit of time to post it and some of my replies ended up in the middle of other comments.

    @Terrific, anyone etc. – I am aware of Matthew 7:22-24 but wanted to know how you see it. I am also aware that the fruit of the Spirit is what we should concentrate on and salvation. Miracles should never be the focus. You mentioned that you believe that some of the miracles TB performs are real, but according to how I understood you and others they believe that there are both fabrication and real miracles taking place. Is that how you see it? Also what do you perceive to be the source behind it if you believe that real miracles are taking place? Some believe that the gifts of God is without repentance as it seemed was the case with Sampson that slept with prostitutes, yet the gift of his strength was not removed from him until his hair was cut. So because of this reason some would believe that these miracles are performed in the power of God where others would believe that it is performed in the power of the occult. It is difficult for many, because they attribute the miracles to a man of God, especially because these miracles are performed in the name of Jesus. Then again you get people like a friend of mine that attributes everything to being a con artist and would ask me how do magicians like David Copper Field make a boeing 747 disappear in front of thousands of spectators?

    Also when it comes to exorcism, is it possible to drive out satan with satan? (Mark 3:23)
    Yet Matthew 7:22-24 makes it clear that it is possible. Can you give some clarity here please as I am sure that these questions create problems for many.

      • No, Madelaine. I am referring to comments made on watch prophet Tb Joshua site. Also in the previous post I answered statements made on watch prophet TB Joshua site.

      • If you are referring to comments made on another site please can you clarify which site it is whete the moderators have not published what you have said.

    • Oh and then of course I don’t want to rule out the possibility that TB is a true man of God and that these miracles can be attributed to this reason. I mean have you ever considered that many here might be wrong about the allegations?

      • @Cautious @Visser
        The “satan driving out satan” argument has come up here numerous times. This is how I see it. No, satan cannot truly drive out satan, but satan is a master of deception. I see no reason he can’t give the impression of demons being driven out, even for the person to seem better for a while, but for them not to be truly gone. Anyway, this is totally off topic!

      • I have heard directly first hand accounts of two women. Before this I had hoped that the allegstions were not true. From.hearing their experiences I am convinced that they are speaking of what has truly happened.

      • @Madelaine – watch prophet Tb Joshua| Find the truth and it will set you free.That is the site I was referring to Madelaine. No, they have not rejected any of my posts. I prefer not to post there.

      • @ Madelaine,

        I’m glad you had first hand account of two women that enabled you to know that these are no mere fabrications but truths to the very core. You see, these atrocious truths are hard to believe, especially, when you consider the facade this false prophet TBJ has put on to deceive people. The truth is always stranger than fiction !

  8. I forgot to add the following: Regardless of whether TB is a man of God or not, don’t you think that God would heal people in his grace if they honestly put their faith in Christ and not in TB for example. This is just to add to the above mentioned possibilities. Please explain as I think this is why many can’t even think that there is even a slight possibility that some of the allegations might be true.

  9. I don’t want to suggest that SCOAN having branch in London as well as other countries has challenged competors to do anything to destroy TB Joshua’s reputation; even to call themselves Judith and Patrick. I think people need to understand that Christian healing and medical treatment are two different things. Medication say for HIV which the Doctors give patients to take for the rest of their lives is okay provided the patient take that particular drug regularly as directed by the doctor, but Christian healing is basing on “faith” of the patient. When TB Joshua pray for the sick he always make it absolutely clear that he is not the healer, the healer is Jesus. I don’t expect these uncountable people who testify having healed at SCOAN to be fooling themselves or pleasing TB Joshua.

    Read about God’s promises to Abraham in Genesis from Chapter 12, you will see the results of his faith. Note in Chapter 16:1-5 that Sarah didn’t have faith or she limited the power of God and made a terrible mistake which she later regreted; giving her husband Abraham to her sarvant Hagar because she didn’t believe that God can do miracles for her. Read Hebrews 11: 1-6. Myadvise is that we may be church gowers / Christians, but if we lack faith we beter not risk our lives, but to take treatments for ever.

  10. Cautious

    You made a good point: You wrote at the bottom I quote:

    “Also when it comes to exorcism, is it possible to drive out satan with satan?”

    I would add to your comment this scripture, words of Jesus:

    If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. Matt.12:26-27

    By whom do your people drive them out? Stop here and think. By whom “Wise man” drive them out?

  11. Cautious, How we can recognize deception?

    Matt. 7:20
    By their friuts you will know them.

    Mark. 9:39
    Jesus said: For no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me

    James. 3:10-12

    Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening?
    Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh?

    Can someone who has sour heart say unleavened words without venom until he is cleared?

    • Hi Visser. Matt 7:20 is often quoted as if it makes discernment very simple! How do we recognise fruits? Can we tell the quality of the fruit instantly or will it take time? If it takes time, how long? Months? Years? Decades? I believe fruit definitely takes time, just like literal fruit takes time to grow and to ripen before you know it’s good. Therefore you can’t say look at these miracles, look at these deliverances, it’s all good fruit! You have to see how these people are living in months/years/decades to come to be able to validate the fruit.

      • Yes, friut takes time. But Jesus makes us also to look at the tree:

        Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Matt.7.17-18
        “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.Matt.12.33

        Look at the friut and look at the tree. Tree with poison gives poison friut.

  12. @Visser,

    Yes, all is possible, because nobody cares on this site to investigate the Kundalini, Chi Gong trap which has entered in the church for last 20 years and is left right and centre practised and passed off as Holy Spirit.

    Many miracles and healings and behaviour like that takes place in Hindu Temples and other establishments in India, China and the rest of Asia.

    I really wished that the owner of this site would do so and stop watering and diluting down accusations and all that with other possibilities.

    One test is to ask yourself, Is God’s power dispensable ? Which means, switch it on and off whenever you like.

    Everywhere in the bible you see that God’s movements are Sovereign. So start with that.

    • @ Nanardi,

      Thanks for your comments. I already mentioned on this site about the ancient Chinese practice of Qigong or Chi Gong and how the manouvers are no different from the way TBJ does with his body, hands, legs, eyes, feet. Then also is the Kundalini Spirit, which is a counterfeit of the Holy Spirit, and is so prevalent in many churches today. The people are destroyed because of their lack of knowledge. Hosea 4:6.

  13. @Ian and Visser and everyone – thanks for some of the comments here. I have asked it deliberately as I wanted to get more helpful explanations and add to those that I already have. I have asked it also for the sake of many that can’t look beyond the miracles. I know that Matthew 7:22-24 does make it clear that miracles, prophecy etc. should not be the focus as this is not proof, but what is important is the fruit of the Spirit as pointed out by many. And Ian I did find your explanation plausible and helpful. Visser, the conclusion is that there is a possibility that these allegations might be true like already explained in my original posts, plus, because of the comments here, although we are not stating it as a fact.

    @Ian – is this off topic? I believe that these issues are the reason why people can’t even start to think that there is a possibility that these allegations might be true, because they can’t look beyond the miracles etc., hence the reason why many won’t believe that it is necessary to investigate these kind of things as miracles are seen by many as a sign of a man of God.

    • I believe that these issues are the reason why people can’t even start to think that there is a possibility that these allegations might be true, because they can’t look beyond the miracles

      True, I can see that connection.

      • I believe that these issues are the reason why people can’t even start to think that there is a possibility that these allegations might not be true, because they can’t look beyond the words into the hearts that might be unclean from which the words are spoken.

      • @Ian – the miracles Ian also attributes to the infallibility statement – so this is key and hence the reason why I wanted this to be addressed.

  14. Here is the warning that you all need to know, what I personally believe is going on in T. B. Joshua’s church:

    wwwyoutube.com/user/JohnTheBaptistTV

    Put a dot in between the www and youtube.

    And ask the question: Why Jesus is Passing by many people who are still sick and not healed ! Remember you only need a mustard seed amount of faith to move mountains.

  15. Not always people who accused someone were right. We should be cautious alway against bad language. It is better to focus on good things.

    How can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. Matt 12.34

  16. CLAIRE I GREET YOU IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. I AM A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN AND IAM THE CHILD OF THE LIVING GOD.BRAVO MY SISTER I AM SO DELIGHTED THAT YOU RESPONDED. IN THA ACTUAL FACT YOU ARE THE ONE OFFENDING ME TO CALL ME NON CHRISTIAN WHILE I AM STANDING AGAINST THE HOLE IN THE WALL THAT IS TRYING TO HIT AGAINST THE ANNOINTED MAN OF GOD.

    I AM A FELLOW RSA PERSON AND I AM THE FOLLOWER OF TBJ EMMANUEL TV PROGRAMME AND ONE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WATCHING IT, THAT TELEVISE 24/7 IN OUR HOMES.AS A CHILD OF GOD AND KNOWING THAT GOD SAID HE WILL NEVER LEAVE US OR FORSAKE US, THAT HE IS THE GOD THAT DOES NOT PLAN TO HARM US BUT TO PROSPER US, THEN SOMEONE LIKE YOU JURDGING ME IN THAT UNGODLY WORDS. DIRTY IS DIRTY & FILTHY IS FILTHY WHY SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING THAT THE COURT OF LAW CAN CHALLENGE THAN ON THE MEDIA INSULTING SOMEBODY LIKE YOU DO. DONT YOU THINK THAT IS OFFESIVE: WHERE ON EARTH DID YOU SEE THIS MAN OF GOD DOING SEXUAL IMMORALITY? WHERE ON EARTH DID YOU SEE HIM DOING THINGS YOU SAID HE DID, WHILE YOU DONT HAVE ANY PROVE. SHOW US THE EVIDENCE THAN WE WILL START TALKING SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANT US TO COMMENT TO. BUT RIGHT NOW I SAY BACK!!!!OFF AND START TO THINK LIKE A CHRISTIAN. GOD BLESS YOU

    • @Lindiwe. I am sorry if I offended you, but I think you misread what I said. I did not say or mean to imply that you were not a christian, I said that while this site is mainly visited by christians, we should think about the witness we give to non-christians who visit this site. I personally have been bothered by your comments that Ian has a ‘dirty lifestyle’ when you do not know him and that you used the term ‘mentally handicapped’ to imply some form of insult, as though people with learning disabilities were somehow inferior.

      From your comment to me:
      THEN SOMEONE LIKE YOU JURDGING ME IN THAT UNGODLY WORDS. DIRTY IS DIRTY & FILTHY IS FILTHY WHY SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING THAT THE COURT OF LAW CAN CHALLENGE THAN ON THE MEDIA INSULTING SOMEBODY LIKE YOU DO. DONT YOU THINK THAT IS OFFESIVE: WHERE ON EARTH DID YOU SEE THIS MAN OF GOD DOING SEXUAL IMMORALITY? WHERE ON EARTH DID YOU SEE HIM DOING THINGS YOU SAID HE DID, WHILE YOU DONT HAVE ANY PROVE. SHOW US THE EVIDENCE THAN WE WILL START TALKING SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANT US TO COMMENT TO. BUT RIGHT NOW I SAY BACK!!!!OFF AND START TO THINK LIKE A CHRISTIAN.

      I am sorry if you think I was judging you, I was not aware of doing so, I just asked that you think about how your words look to others, particularly non-christians, visiting the site. I do not think that effectively shouting at people with capital letters is helpful to a rational discussion of the allegations. I have not personally made any allegations about TB Joshua committing acts of sexual immorality, but I am very concerned that these allegations have been made and would like to see them properly investigated. A court of law would be an excellent idea.

  17. Hmm. If a minister is suspected of having committed so serious a crime as sexual abuse, don’t you think the authorities would be on top of this as well as the respective news organizations? Especially when SCOAN has as one of its members the President of the nation? News agencies will stop at nothing to cover such juicy sensational stories. But that’s not what we have because it’s just that. Faceless and nameless allegations offering nothing to track.

      • @Ironclad – Agree with Giles that obviously you have never been to Nigeria and therefore it is obvious you don’t have a clue what you are talking about when relating to matters taking place in Nigeria. I would like to hear your views on what’s taking place in other African countries also. That would be very interesting too. Some people I spoke to in Europe and even the USA still believe that people in Africa still live in the jungle and if not can only be found in villages, not realising that some countries in Africa is better developed then some coutries here in Europe. The only other knowledge that some seem to have is what the media portrays about some of these countries which is often a deluded picture. This is the same with SCOAN and Emmanuel TV. You probably also only knows what you know about SCOAN because of Emmanuel TV. You should also honestly start reading back on some of the previous posts and comments as I for one cannot repeat everything that was said here up to now. Some of your questions will definitely be answered if you start reading back.

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