Touch not the Lord’s anointed

One of the bible verses thrown at us most frequently by TB Joshua’s fans is Psalm 105:15, “Touch not the Lord’s anointed”. In other words, how dare we question or critisise this anointed man of God? SCOAN clearly support this use of the verse, since they use it at the beginning of their “Beware of Blasphemers” video. We briefly explained why this is a total misuse of scripture in our post reviewing that video.

Recently a reader sent us a link to an excellent article by Conrad Mbewe, an African Pastor and author we’ve linked to before in “The state of African Christianity”. Recently Pastor Mbewe devoted a whole article to Psalm 105:15 and its popular misapplication. We encourage you to read the entire post, but here we include some excerpts.

If there has been a phrase in the Bible that has been recently tortured until it confesses a lie, it is the phrase, “Touch not the Lord’s anointed.” I hear it a lot in Christian conversation today. Usually, the phrase is meant to caution anyone who is criticising the questionable teaching or way of life of a famous preacher or church leader. That is meant to be a no-go area.

The popular understanding of this phrase is that if you say negative things about “an anointed servant of God,” something nasty will happen to you. You might even die a horrible death.

Yep, that’s something we’ve been warned of multiple times. “…may God forgive those that condemn the Man of God […] Least you forget the penalty for condemnation of a Man of God” a commenter once warned us. Someone on Facebook warned us of the destructions God was going to bring upon us:

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Another facebook commenter is even more explicit about the harm that God is going to bring on us (given the content of the post, we’ve intentionally left his name visible)

TB Joshua WatchMbewe continues:

This is African traditional religion creeping into the church through the back door. In Africa, you do not say anything negative against an elderly person or a chief or a witchdoctor. If you do, something nasty will happen to you. You can even grow a beard at the back of you neck!

So how do we apply this verse today? Is it a correct to use it as a rebuke to people like us?

No, says Mbewe.

“Touch not the Lord’s anointed” is about harm, especially physical harm, and not legitimate criticism. Public teachers must be above reproach. That is one of their qualifications. If they meddle in heretical teaching or immoral living, they disqualify themselves. Thus, those of us who are aware of their devious dealings or dangerous teachings must sound the public alarm. We must warn the unwary lest they fall prey to them. Public sins must be rebuked publicly.

He then goes on to mention two times in the New Testament when Paul (2 Tim 2:16-18) and John (2 John 9-10) publicly call out leaders in the church who are teaching heresy or living immoral lifestyles. Were they guilty of disobeying Psalm 105:15? Of course not! (Pastor Mbewe goes into further details about the biblical context of the verse in his full post)

Commenter “Candle holder” has been regularly accusing us and other commenters of slandering TB Joshua. Is that a fair accusation? Here’s what Pastor Mbewe has to say on the issue.

In each case, I am not justifying libel or slander. But that is not the issue here. The phrase “touch not the Lord’s anointed” is not being used against character assassination. Rather it is being used to stop people coming forward to testify against immoral and heretical preachers. Corruption in the church is multiplying while the silent majority dare not speak out lest they touch the Lord’s anointed. It is an epidemic! Extreme Charismatic pastors are emptying church coffers in order to line their own pockets and impregnating girls in the churches but those who have the evidence cannot speak out lest they touch the Lord’s anointed and something bad happens to them. That is the issue at hand. Clearly, that understanding of Psalm 105:15 and 1 Samuel is wrong.

But should the correction be done privately rather than publicly? In some cases, yes – but in others, no. Mbewe explains:

Love demands that I rescue those whom I love from danger. So, if the preacher who has gone into immoral living or heretical teaching is someone I have a personal relationship with, love ought to compel me to talk with him privately with a view to restoring him to biblical orderliness. However, where his repentance is not as notorious as his sin, or I do not have such a relationship with him, or his heretical teachings or immoral life have become too widespread and are ruining the faith of many, the same love should compel me to oppose him publicly and thus restore the faith of many. Hence, love should cause any true preacher of the word not to keep quiet when the faith of many is being ruined, as is the case today in Africa.

To conclude, we can now see that Psalm 105:15 in no way applies to what TB Joshua Watch does. We show clear evidence of false teaching (example 1, example 2, example 3, example 4 etc…), clear evidence of fraud and deceptions (example 1, example 2, example 3, example 4 etc…) and compelling (though not conclusive – but what evidence would be?) evidence that TB Joshua sexually abuses female disciples in his care (example 1, example 2, example 3 etc…). We have no ability to challenge TB Joshua face to face, although we know people who have (to no avail). TB Joshua’s ministry is widespread, and ruining the faith of many – love compels us to oppose this publicly and thus restore the faith of many.

A note on comments: There have been a huge number of comments recently, many very repetitive and off the topic of the post. In this case, we will only be approving comments relevant to the subject of the post, or direct responses to comments already published.

150 thoughts on “Touch not the Lord’s anointed

  1. When I was a disciple there I once read what TB Joshua said about how we should read the Bible. He said that each time in the Old Testament, when it says that God was blessing Israel, you should cross “Israel” out and replace it with your name – i.e. “God will bless me”…basically where it says bad things about Israel, leave it as ‘Israel’, and where it says good things, read it as ‘me’.
    This is called replacement theology, and the danger of it is being played out with psalm 105.
    Read the whole Psalm, heres a segment from either side of verse 15

    11 He hath remembered his covenant (MADE TO ABRAHAM) for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
    Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
    And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to ISRAEL for an everlasting covenant:
    Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:(ISRAEL)
    When they were but a few men in number; yea, very few, and strangers in it. (ABRAHAM-JACOB)
    When they (ISRAELITES) went from one nation to another, from one kingdom to another people;(CANAAN, EGYPT)
    He suffered no man to do them (ISRAELITES) wrong: yea, he reproved kings (PHAROAH, ABIMILECH) for their sakes;

    Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm. (TB JOSHUA? No, still ISRAEL)

    Moreover he called for a famine upon the land: he brake the whole staff of bread.
    He sent a man before them (ISRAELITES), even Joseph, who was sold for a servant:
    Whose feet they hurt with fetters: he was laid in iron:
    Until the time that his word came: the word of the Lord tried him.
    The king sent and loosed him; even the ruler of the people, and let him go free.
    He made him lord of his house, and ruler of all his substance:
    To bind his princes at his pleasure; and teach his senators wisdom.
    ISRAEL also came into Egypt; and Jacob (ISRAEL) sojourned in the land of Ham.
    And he increased his people (ISRAEL) greatly; and made them (ISRAEL) stronger than their enemies.
    He turned their heart to hate his people, to deal subtilly with his servants (ISRAEL).
    He sent Moses his servant; and Aaron whom he had chosen.
    They shewed his signs among them (ISRAEL), and wonders in the land of Ham.

    • Its much more deathly to looze faith, hope and the own truth in the heart, by endless deceiving nonsence of a troubled Profhet. Ofcaurse we have the right to heal our faith and trust in God, by discerning the good and wrongs of a Man-of-God who is not able too commit him-self to his own vision and commentments. We dont call for a terrible death when we try to find-out the truth of a situation. Its Gods will to become matured and to have His mind. Tb Joshua is gifted man, and he uses the gifts questionable. We dont border about good Men of God, we border about; un-clear, cloudy, confusing,un-nessecary and dis-honouring and dis-gracing actions about the Truth of Christ Jezus . I dont believe that cultural differenty can change the reality of Truth. Truth is for all cultures One and the same message. And for all cultures One and the same understanding.

  2. @TB Joshua’s watch!
    I still find your comment absurd and incongruous. You can rob by gun as well as Pen. All you have posted regarding Psalm 105 in the life of TB Joshua are meant to satisfy your longings and dreams of running the Prophet down. In the first place, Who made you a judge over God’s Prophet? Read this portion of the bible to wet your spiritual appetite, Matthew 7
    ‘Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? … You should be repentance of your ill accusations and wrong write ups rather than tarnish the imagine of a Man of God. No wonder Jesus said,’ Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do…
    Luke 23:33-35
    Time without number, You Guys have seen immeasurable proves that TB Joshua is a genuine prophet from God, but your sealed heart will never accept the truth, instead you are bent on running his name down on the mud. ‘And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;..’Romans 1:27-29.
    Now I see why you do the things you do.

    • GenerationNext, then tell me for once and for all, what does a genuine God-man look like? Will you please be specific about it? Because; I expereinced Tb Joshua in a very deceiving way. And when I tell my story and my expereinces, then they should be judgings about him? It are facts. When your wife is manipulating you, then you will correct her and you tell her to change it, When she is not changing, maybe you pray for her, When she is still not changing, you become up-set about the way she is treating you. And when your forgiveness does not seems to help either, and she is still making a fool of your eager intentions, then you will try to understand what her reason is for this wrong behavior. When all your good intentions seem to fail and she does not change her manners, then you will maybe go to the court for divorce, and there the judging starts. Sealed hearts? Being long enough with this intens hurting, insulting,and dis-honest attitude, will make a joke of everything that was once ment to be about love. You proove ME, that this Man-of-God is genuine. If you believe that that a genuine Profhet can be in adultery and sinfull manners, then YOU have great problem.

      • And i am deeply grieved and fed-up with all the endless blindness of the pro-joshua-fans. With their endless statements of; dont judge, dont discern right from wrong, dont have common sense, . Maybe the fear for the truth has created for ages the misery in churches and esthablished the un-toucheble positions of God-men and profhets. Fear for punishements, fear for the hell, fear for judgement of God. I fear God, and one of the effects of this kind of fear is, i want the truth, I dont want the messing-around-solutions of too many churches, to hide their dark misstakes. The Chatolic church is full of dirty trouble, and it comes all to the light, and they repent openly. They dont have nonsence-stories about; dont judge, dont harm the pope. They for God-sake just do what the bible say they have to do! And who wants to proove me, that T B Joshua should be dis-charged for bad behaviors? If there is no way to make clear that there is something seriously wrong in that church, then a web-site as this, is the only way to have a voice and to cry out. I beg you pardon.

    • always the same old “judge not” argument. I would like your explanation of John 7:24 – judge not according to appearances, but judge righteous judgement.

      Also, “See that no one deceives you, for many will arise in my name, saying I am He, and will deceive many” (matt 24:5)

      So, Next Generation, for this future time, when many do come saying they are Jesus – how can we tell who is a false Christ if you are saying we cant judge?

      I’d really like to know your answer

      • Hey Mr. Giles,

        You are right about Mr. Candle Shtick. Round and round the merry-go-round. Does this person ever give up playing his trump record of “imaginary persecution, condemnation, judging”, side A and B and then get stuck in a groove somewhere in the middle with the needle ? 😉

        Jesse

  3. This is a good lesson for those TBJ followers who are so ignorant of the Scriptures. I hope they learn their lessons and stop quoting Scriptures they don’t understand.

  4. And how on earth is it possible, that there is no single mercy and compassion for the victums of the scoan-treatment? What makes a God-man-fan believes that A God-man should not be corrected or change his egoism and hard manners? How come that in all the comments about the genuineness of Profhet Joshua, there seems to be no single care or good-will to the victums? Is a Godman beyound a mere human-being? Does he deserves more respects than a ordinairy girl or man? Is the word of a God-man of greater value, then the pleid of some-one who is hurted by the same man? Are we going to make a senseless word-game of the reality of serious accusings and troubles? Proove me, that this man is genuine, and proove me that the stories of the victums are lies.

  5. Do I have to fear God judgements, when I am not excusing repeated wrong behavior of a God-man? And why do we need a profhet-God-man? What is his job for the christian-body? Teaching; morality , teaching the Will of God. , healing, deliverance . And should I NOT have the right to charge him and confront him, when he is making a louzy job of his privilaged position? Do miracles, healings and charity excuse God-men for their serious faults and pleid them free ? When a criminal comes to a priest for repentance, then the priest ask God for for-giveness and will bring the man personal to the police. Our court-laws swear by the Bible. So we should NOT discern right from wrong, because a God-man is beyound the law? So, because I am a privilaged christian I can do what-ever i want, because I am forgiven any-how?

  6. @ GenerationNxt,

    Is that “genuine” as in a false banknote passed off as genuine ? I really do know so. His powers are not from God. Half of the deliverances are fake, the rest is what I explained numerous times. You clearly have no discernment, you just want to travel all over the world and expenses paid from collected monies. There is no-one in your neighbour hood that needs healing or deliverance ?

    Correction, reprobate minds are those that lie to keep the show alive. You know it is true, but your mind is seared with a hot iron. It’s only for your own gain, nobody else’s.

    You are a person that anyone can deceive. You just want your share of it, because you know if you loose your job there you need to go back to society to work hard to earn your money. It is easier to beg for money and the travel the world. You better repent because I hit the nail right on its head.

    In the meantime, good article, I totally stand behind 100%.

    The reason why they talk to you like this, because they run out if fodder to tell you off. 😉

  7. The African culture and Gospel is build on; controle and slavery-patterns. It is diabolic cycly for ages. Pastors are as much victum of this pattern, as their followers. A controler with a high position, can be only sustain because the followers-slaves expect him on this position of might-leadership. The pattern controle-slavery causes the intern miseries. As; tres-passings in the are of human-respects, fornication,corruption, hypocrisy, violence, protections by occultic powers, all sorts of manias to keep controle and all sorts of manias to get out of the slavery. When a more democratic person enters this churches, he will be forced to become part of the pattern-rules. Its back in time for almost 100 years. Its all under the curse of the law and if not it becomes lawe-lessness. Thats why so vew people live in blessed situations, even when they attend to the church for years, There is only freedom in Christ Jezus and in claiming the blessings and promises of God for us. This is the job of a real profhet; to bring the people of God to this land of milk and honey. In freedom. And in full knowledge of who they are in God. amen.

  8. @TB Joshua watch

    It is obvious that my previous writeup made a great impact on the minds of you and your fellow followers hence you never seem to accept the Gospel truth, right? I can perceive vividly that you Guys are only begging for attention and no scriptural proves to authenticate your false calms regarding Prophet T.B Joshua. Here is what Jesus said, If you have ever taken your time to read your Bible at all:’ Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake. ’Luke 6:21-23.

    Is it not possible that you and your cohort are fighting the Lord ?I have asked this question a dozen time but You Guys seems never to provide a valid answer to My question .If I may ask again ,who made you(TB Joshua Watch and Fan) a Judge over the Lord’s servant? Are you in a position to execute judge for the lord? Maybe, this is too hard for you to understand. Read this portion of the Bible again to gain better understand of what the Lord demands: Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Romans 12:18-20.
    Hello !Young folks did you just read that ?I am not sure you did ,maybe I should repeat it again. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord…Romans 12:18-20.
    Why have you then decided to take laws into your own hands ?Are you bigger and stronger than the Lord Jesus Christ? This clearly proves that the Christianity and faith you profess is UNREAL and never from the almighty God .In fact, You are worse that an unbeliever because you have chosen to break the Lord’s commandment. He clearly and explicitly said,’…avenge not yourselves.’If you claim T.B Joshua is fake, then leave him for God to take his Vengeance upon him. Jesus never commissioned you to act as an advocate. Hear what he said, If ever you were once blind to this scripture, I am sure it will be an eye-opener, My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:1 John 2;1-3

    It pains me so much to see young folks of such caliber wasting their precious time on matters that never will lead to their spiritual uplift rather draw God’s wrath upon their lives .No wonder the scripture said,’ Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.’ Galatians 6:6-8.Did you read that dude?
    You are not bigger than the Word of God. God has called us into the Ministry of reconciliation not of condemnation , Judgment and false accusations. Here is the lord’s words if it is omitted in your Bible.
    And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 2 Corinthians 5 :17 – 19.

    It beats my imagination a lot that this blog could dedicate It’s resources to the damnation of one person.Wow!T.B Joshua, indeed you must be special and a Prophet of God. In spite of their false accusations ,God has distinguished you from their ill-practices, that is why the word of God said,”But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.”
    Proverbs4:17-19.
    What else do you have to say? What else? It is open and clear that you do not have any concentrate evidence against the anointed MAN OF God. Everything you have always said, are lies from the pit of hell.
    The clock is ticking ,God’s mercy can still speak for you(TB Joshua Watch) and his fellow followers ,that is ,If you repent of your despicable acts today .Let here what God has to say,

    ‘It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.’ Hebrews 10;30-32.

    • @ generationNxt,

      All your arguments are simple summed up as in Intimidation and diverting of the things found wanting in the TB Joshua camp.Using specific scriptures and try to sow terror and fear. This you call love ? You would know love if it would bite you in your backside.

      Many ministers have already fallen who were at the forefront if deceiving people. When your church starts to show true deliverances and not the crazy interrogations that are fake, then maybe I could accept it. But I know that they are not.

      Tell me, what is it when a leader says to blind girl to go home that she can’t join the prayer line and have to watch Emmanuel TV ???? Totally preposterous and absurd.

      Tell me, about one person who needed operation because something really was wrong was not allowed to go to Lagos and fobbed off with excuses and lies.

      Revelation 22:15
      For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a LIE.

      Then you come down here with your intimidation of trying to scare me and them. I laugh right into your face, like I laugh at the Devil that uses scripture to intimidate. It is clear you have not changed since your last deliverance. You still try to seduce as you were doing before. Pity that I see right through your scheming and twisting.

      Another thing, it is you who is in the camp of Satan, come out of her and find a ministry that does not lie for convenience.

  9. @TBJ Watch
    I read in this article and it was written that “TBJ’s ministry is ruining the faith of many”. How is “Galatians 5:22-23, But d fruit of d spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering etc…” ruining the faith of many? What I see in TBJ’s ministry is the fruit of the spirit. Those that TBJ’s ministry lead to Christ have learnt nothing but building on their faith, love, giving, good citizenship and all other fruits of the holy spirit which is unarguable. So, next time try not to lay some factless accussations.

    • minister michael…..my father, who seemed most interested in God prior to my mother’s death, wanted nothing to do with God after he saw how SCOAN had treated him and his wife. There is a lot to be accountable for on that day

  10. @Giles
    I understand your pain as it was in “Matthew 26:16 So from that time he sought opportunity to betray Him”. You might have done something wrong and was stripped of your position as a disciple and because of your pride, you couldn’t bear working for God under the supervision of another disciple rather you chose to leave the church. So, from that time you sought for an opportunity to betray the man of God and found it with TBJ watch. I know you are wondering how I figured it out.

    • Minister Micheal, its strange, but you still dont get it; TB Joshua made the misstakes, because of his pride and other futille bizar habbits. Betraying is a specialism of the Profhet. He is expert in it.

      • And when you believe Giles has to be remembered for a little futille fault, then I hope you dont mind that we remember you about some hudge mistakes of the profhet? Fair play is the best.

    • Minister michael, i dont believe we know each other, so please lets not talk as if we do. My opinions of TBJ have nothing to with working under supervision (i joined the military afterwards, lol), and a lot more to do with seeing him hit a woman full in the face

  11. @ Mr Michael,

    You don’t know anything about another’s pain, if you are a minister and compare someone to Judas.

    Your proposal shows that you are operating with a controlling spirit. Controlling spirits are found in witchcraft and satanism.

    Nowhere you see Jesus control anyone. Nor did any other disciple. But at the TB Joshua camp everyone has to be controlled and monitored. Sick. More proof of cult behaviour. It comes from your own words man, which are condemning yourself as you speak.

    Reconciliation, you call that reconciliation ? Better words are, twisting, manipulating, exaggerating, raging inside of anger, falsehood, lies, debauchery, scheming, because I believe some of you are about to fall after the order of Goliath. Desperately clinging on your self appointed jobs and self claimed Messiah’s, pastors, evangelist.

    You have not been called for that if you write such horrible manipulations toward people in using your bible quotes as charismatic witchcraft in submitting them to your twisted will.

  12. @ GenerationNxt,

    Quote “It pains me so much to see young folks of such caliber wasting their precious time on matters that never will lead to their spiritual uplift rather draw God’s wrath upon their lives”

    Proof of drama, manipulating, twisting about Gods love by using terror, selfishness to preserve one selves for gain and self imposed jobs and misleading people that they are chosen and others not. Foul !

  13. @ GenerationNxt

    “You are not bigger than the Word of God. God has called us into the Ministry of reconciliation not of condemnation , Judgment and false accusations”

    Proof of thinking of themselves that they are greater than the Word of God and that they are the only ones appointed for reconciliation, while the motives are purely for self preservation and try to pass themselves off as self righteous and justified, that God will not Judge them according to His Word. Foul !

    Check out your own insides of your cup and start washing it, thank you.

  14. @ GenerationNxt,

    Quote ” It beats my imagination a lot that this blog could dedicate It’s resources to the damnation of one person.Wow!T.B Joshua, indeed you must be special and a Prophet of God.”

    Lies, nobody is damning anyone. The intention is to come to the Absolute Truth of God and His Kingdom and be saved.

    You are imagining again and again. Not based on true facts of the intentions here and the people.

    Colossians 3:9-13
    Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free:but Christ is all, and in all.
    Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any:even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

    You clearly don’t know what forgiveness is, instead you resort to manipulating and terrorising other people that you are the scourge of The Lord. You call that reconciliation as well ? My foot !

  15. @ GenerationNxt,

    Quote “.In fact, You are worse that an unbeliever because you have chosen to break the Lord’s commandment. He clearly and explicitly said,’…avenge not yourselves.”

    Objection ! Speculant drives matters to a irrelevant Scripture in the hope for self preservation of position being threatened by genuine investigation of alleged issues at hand. Goes in fierce denial and tries to cover up evidence of lying, sexual acts, controlling others by manipulation, twisting, terrorising, corrupting true love, using scripture to execute wrath from God and releasing it as a Word curse. Refuses to was their inside with Blood of Jesus themselves of portraying they are no sinners themselves. On top of it appoint themselves as ministers of the cloth. In where TB Joshua and his wisemen let their henchmen pick out the hot chestnuts from the fires, because it is all about them. Thinking that it is beyond their persona not to be guilty of above practices and manners of doing. Foul !

  16. @ TB Joshua Watch,

    Guys, I want to encourage you with the following video of my friend Andres Bisonni who went to Texas recently and see how the genuine Holy Spirit is working among people. Funny that no demons and interrogation manifest there eh ? That is how you discern what is real and what is fake. God bless you.

    Not like this spiritual rape that you see in SCOAN and garbage they utter there.

    As you can see they repent and the Spirit is filling them as it progresses. Amazing. Glory to God.

    Don’t give up, keep up the good fight guys, don’t let them deceive you any longer. 1 Timothy 6:12. Let this encourage you all. Take care.

  17. Pray for christians in africa.there is confusion it is difficult now to make the difference betwen wichdoctor’s house and many of so called churchs in africa.they both provide water,salt,things to wear,stiks…. The fonders of these so called churchs like to be worshipt, they like to be honerd by Their followers ,these one hold on these things(water salt) than the power of our lord jesus chrisp. It is terrible. Please pray for us

  18. Minister Michael and Generation,

    Getting back to not being able to judge “the Lord’s annointed” – I would like your explanation of John 7:24 – judge not according to appearances, but judge righteous judgement.

    Also, “See that no one deceives you, for many will arise in my name, saying I am He, and will deceive many” (matt 24:5)

    So, Minister Michael, for this future time, when many do come saying they are Jesus – how can we tell who is a false Christ if you are saying we cant judge?

  19. Remember in the bible Jesus was called a demon by the pharisees john7v20. So i am not suprised @ the persecution tb joshua is recieving from his distractors. They can only blaspheme but they cant stop the power of GOD. Jesus even said a servant is not greater than his master that if they cal the master beelzebub hw much more the servant. Furthermore i want tb joshua watch to talk about a.a. allens visit to the scoan, i want to know their rxn.

    • At apostolos,

      A.A. Allen never went, it was CS Upthegrove who handed over a stamp that A.A. Allen supposedly had used to sign his papers with. What is the evidence of the true authenticity of the so called stamp ?

      Is everyone aware that A.A. Allen died of alcoholism in a hotel ? And that the evidence was tried to be covered up!!!! How do we know that after that CS Upthegrove got hold on A.A. Allen stamp ? All we have as proof his word for it. Also CS Upthegrove tells us about his encounter with a 12 foot angel that appeared to him through a tree.

      A recent “deliverance” about a man that had cut a tree was demonised by a tree demon that destroyed his whole family. By changing his name and his entire family and business into the name of the demon that came through the tree. I even remember how TB Joshua laughed his head off about this crazy claim and the family who was clearly a mental case than a possession, went on in bizarre claims of what this demon was supposedly being doing to them. One son was a retired army officer and stood by with a smirk on his face. Probably thinking what a crock this all is, I did not know, I better play the game with the rest of the family otherwise I will be the odd one out and I have to explain and get into an argument that it actually was bonkers.

  20. this is SO typical of TB Joshua supporters.

    NO ONE ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

    All you ever do is whine on and on about “Leave dis Man of God alone”

  21. Just wonder about this to:

    New Testament Churches.

    In the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul – Acts 13:1

    It was He who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers – Ephesians 4:11

    There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit – 1 Corinthians 12:4

    And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues – 1 Corinthians 12:28

    …if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully – Romans 12:8

    Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God–1 Corinthians 10:32

    The latest edition of a church -Scoan:

    Just “a prophet” and everyone and everything are under his strict control and ALL the focus must be on him – one person-tbj !?
    Beware if you do not bow down in submission to him………..he is the all in all.

  22. To all who prayed for me and my family and are still praying….please do not stop!

    The Lord’s hand is starting to move in my family….

    Some are starting to see glimmers of TRUTH….

    and are in the proses of being set free by the Lord.

    Pray that the Lord will also heal the hurts, disillusionments, disappointments and wounds they suffer.

    The evil in the African churches are real and the delusions are strong, masquerading under the dress of Christianity!

    There are strong evil spirits behind them and their powers are real.

    Keep on praying for the disciple in scoan too.

    Thank you.

  23. If really you think his deliverance and healing are not real what about the thousands of testimonies? can you guys tell me if those testimonies are fake also? because i believe it is the healing,deliverance and breakthrough that brings about the testimonies. Dear beloved the bible do nod ask you to judge or condemn, you are destroying the image of someone, can u tell me any case in the bible were Christ or the apostles condemned any,they were even the ones that were persecuted and were killed unjustly. the people who persecute in the bible were never God’s people. through Christians spread the gospel of Christ not the gospel of others.

    • @ Mr USman,

      How many times do I have to refer you and others to II Thessalonians 2 before you are going to read and pray to God about and that He explains it to you ?

      What do you think this Scripture is referring to ? Sigh. Let NO Man deceive you. No man. No woman. No child, no animal, no fish, no demon, no spirit, no witch, witch doctor, Shaman, kundalini practitioner, no satanist, no dream, no vision, no apparition, no book, no TV, no tape, no cd, DVD, that does not line up what God wants from you personally. It’s about you having this relationship and those that share bread with you in communion, baptism in water, genuine Bereans that examined the Bible IF IT WAS SO! Stop going by spiritual manifestations. God is your personal God. Search for Him and His Word personally not in any other man, woman or child. Draw near unto Him and He will draw near unto you.

  24. @TB Joshua watch(Jesse ,Jamie ,Kali and Giles)

    It is crystal clear that you haven’t read this message of mine adequately and gotten what I have written ,in lieu of this ,I will be re-posting it for you and your fellow crews to digest it once more and other people you intend destroying their faith by speaking ill about SCOAN.
    Also,@Apostolos ,wishes to know your opinions regarding the visit of A.A Allen to the SCOAN. Don’t shy away from this crucial questions because you are fond of avoiding such matters ,I am talking to the TB Joshua Watch and It is crew.

    • @GenerationNext, first of all – please don’t post identical and lengthy comments multiple times, they won’t be published. We’ve removed the section from this comment that was just copied and pasted from your last comment.

      So, AA Allen’s visit to SCOAN? First of all, I think there’s a little confusion. AA Allen died in 1970 when TB Joshua was 7 years old, so I don’t think he actually visited SCOAN. I believe what you are talking about is CS Upthegrove’s visit to SCOAN when he claimed that AA Allen had prophecied about TB Joshua. There are two issues here, first of all – who is CS Upthegrove? If you search for him online, hardly anything can be found that isn’t related to his visit to SCOAN, had anyone heard of him before then? How credible is his link to AA Allen? That seems unclear, but is essential to knowing how credible his claim to know AA Allen was referring to TB Joshua. Secondly, even if we grant that CS Upthegrove does have a close link to AA Allen, what does that mean? Was AA Allen a prophet to be taken seriously? He was certainly well known, but didn’t exactly live an exemplary life, and died of liver failure brought on by acute alcoholism. What exactly TB Joshua expects to gain from this association is unclear.

      • AA Allen profhesied, that there would be a great church, with a great Profhet, in this time-frame. And that this profhet should be born to prepare the world for the second coming of Christ.

  25. @Giles
    2 Cor 5:7 tells us to walk by faith and not by sight and all your judgements and accusations against the man of God are based on sensory perceptions: what you have seen or heard and how you feel about it. What is happening in Synagogue would only seem as foolishness and demonstration to you and TBJ watch because you are not spritually inclined. 1Cor 2:14.. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    • @ mr Michael,

      So you are claiming that “demons” that have a basecamp on Jupiter, Pluto and speak through a pastor that travels all over India and middle East is spiritual ?

      Mawhahahaha. And we can’t call this foolishness.

      PS a Pastor that wants to kill his wife with knife and broken bottle, but his daughter is able to stop him. Uhuh ! Right…
      Only to know he was broke and saw an opportunity to milk out TB Joshua for money with his desperate act of silliness and foolishness. Like they all do in SCOAN. Typical African behaviour for 80% of that country. There are good Africans, but in the minority.

  26. Jeremiah 23;16-18. Thus said the Lord of Hosts, hearken not untho the words of the profhets that profhesy unto you; they make you vain. They speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord. They say still unto them that despise Me ; The Lord haith said, ye shall have peace: and they say unto every-one that walked after the imagenation of his own heart; no evil shall come upon you. For who hath stood in the counsel of the Lord, and hath perceived and heard His word? Who had market His word and heard it?

  27. with regards to AA Allen….who? Please keep comments relevant to the post.

    How do you discern future “false Christs” the Bible warns about, when all they will say is “touch not the Lords annointed”?

  28. The fact is; the world is in a world-wide crisis, and the ONLY place were people can find the right answers, is in the church, in the revealed Truth. This Truth IS revealed to a lot of people of God, and to the ones with the office of profhesy. This Truth, this plan of God, is what the world needs to know. It does not need a profhet, who demostrates the gifts of God, by wrong permormed deliverancy. People want the perfection of the Truth in action. They want to see their believe in accoordiance with the action. Every christian has the Truth in the own heart, and this Truth is esthablished in; devotion, dignity , love and wisdom. Each on own level of understanding. The people depending on the guidiance of a God-man, are mostly not in touch with the inner truth of God. And a God-man can easily go astray because of all the expectations, adorations, and claims. Tb Joshua has great gifts, and he uses them as it suits him the best. He keeps people in ignorance, because he with-holds a lot of right information, that can clear-up the misstakes that are made, and how to go along with the real Godly gifts of the spirit in the right way. No-one wants to hang TB Joshua, they want to see his Gifts and his personality in aligne-ment wit Gods Will, and then no-one will complain again.

  29. @generation next. Know that i really dont care much about tbj.all i care about is this people in africa the lord died for.yes. The lord gave his life so that this people may be saved.now there came these false pastors,prophets,evangelist…called them self(the lord anointed one) .they mislead the lord’s chosen.where are they leading these people with their false teachings? In heaven or hell?they bring with :water,salt,oil,ruberband,and so on.what about the power of the word in the bible,the power in the blood of jesus,in the name of jesus?

  30. Generation next.do you know that jesus christ is alive?these false prophets,they dont teach about salvation,how to live a holly life in christ.all they talk about is prosperity ,breakthough,delivrance….they dont talk much about the provider of all of these jesus christ the lord of lord.read your bible obey his word pray and trust the lord

    • Kali; I agree with you, that also in Scoan the people are kept dependant on some parables from the Bible. The real skriptual insights are not offerd. TB Joshua is an expert in mystifing and keeping the show going with some crumbs; some healings, deliverances and some anoitings. And some sermons which never go deep. Its an endless repeated cycly of; casting out the sin and the evil, and there seems to be no foundation for a builded-up matured christian life in Jezus Christ. Because such a matured life will make people independant and in relationship with Jezus and free. Pastors and priests have for ages good reasons to keep people in ignorance. And in this time, hardly no church is function by spirit, so a God-man can make and break as he likes., because hardly no-one is able to discern what he is doing. TB Joshua is keeping the people from the relationship with Christ, . In Christ we are forgiven of sin, and Jezus will enter our heart, and the Spirit will reveal all truth, . Its a question if Jezus is in the heart of TB Joshua. It means; totall surrender and being death to the self. No ego-trips are possible.

      • @ Jamie,

        I can discern what they are doing. For the rest with your argument I agree what you said. I would support if you would be going a little more our side instead of partially defending SCOAN. They just don’t want to change. They do what they like. On the other hand I am surprised that not more people standing up and see through their deceit. It begins to be like J. Edgar Hoover. Very capable of keeping up appearances, while the secrecy shrouds the people and believe their charades and mysticism. Personally a God man should be transparent. Unfortunately this is with many Pastors like that. In this I agree what Jamie says in the control of the followers, instead of making them independent and teaching them to be closer to God. Including that their personal prayers are just as valid as theirs. Too many people are like, “Pastor pray for me”. If they do that to me, I respond sometimes, pray for yourself, God does hear and answer yours just as He does mine. People are sometimes a bit too laid back, if not lazy and depended on a Pastor too much.

    • Hold it right there, if you talk about preaching Christ by Tb joshua i disagree with u, i have watch Tb.joshua preaching repentance and Christ so many times please say what you are sure of okay.

      • @ Leo,

        So did Robert Tilton, Peter Popoff, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Jones, Michael Reid, Benson Idahosa, Thomas Wesley Weeks III, Marcus Lamb, Albert Odulele, Ted Haggard, Ian Bilby, Eddie L. Long, Todd Bentley, Neville Johnson, Morris Cerullo, Paul Cain, Paul and Jan Crouch, Roberts Liardon.

        You were saying ? They all preached on repentance and Christ, wrote books. It means nothing. I wish that you all stop putting men on pedestals and throw them off and put Jesus Christ there instead.

  31. Minister Michael, Im not sure where you are going with the quote from 1 cor.

    The False Prophet of Revelation 13, who will deceive many, “if possible, evem the elect” – how are Christians supposed to resist when they are “not to judge”? All this future character would have to do is quote psalm 105 to silence you

      • if you know about God’s spirit you won’t talk like that. the spirit reveals all things to you and tell you what to do. it is those that are lead by the spirit of the flesh that are easily deceived either by what they see or hear.

      • The very idea of deception is that the person believes something is what it isn’t. That’s why everyone should guard themselves from deception. Anyone can say “the Holy Spirit has revealed to me ______”, and they may sincerely believe it – it doesn’t mean they’re not deceived though. A counterfeit of anything will look for all the world like what it’s counterfeiting. A counterfeit Holy Spirit will be almost indistinguishable from the real thing.

  32. Article is good but this Pastor who wrote it forgot to add one thing:

    There are many abuses, insults, invecitives in judgements of those who want to tuch the Anoited ones, because as it is written in New Testament: Desiring to be teachers, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions.

    That is all from me according this issue.

  33. I don’t think we shuld hide our identity any longer.Demons are using d net now as a medium to decieve peple nd draw them from faith.let us know who u are cos we dnt want to read from the devils blasphems

  34. Look at first verse:

    He allowed no man to oppress them; for their sake he rebuked kings:”Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm.” (1 Chronicles 16:22).

    Everything is in God’s hand. If God wants to protect His anoited one from killing, God can even kill opponents as He did in specific way in Old Testament by prophet Elijah (2 Kings 1:10)

    Thanks to the Lord Jesus that He is so, so, so mercifull for people.

    • @ Candle Holder,

      We are not opponents of God, Jesus, The Work of the Holy Spirit. We are opponents of deception, fake deliverances, falsely claimed miracles, imaginary demons, prophecies that do not help anyone than the gain of the prophets notoriety, like telling how football matches end as in gambling houses, alien doctrines, crazy behaviour that is passed off as demonic behaviour. None of us is against God truly doing something. Mr. Twister. You love to twist things every single post. On top of that you are miserable to talk to and use bible translation of the virulent NIV translation where many gender issues are wrong, the denial Jesus’ deity, over 63,000 omissions and errors in the translation and complete missing verses. All you do on purpose and don’t care whenever rebuked about it. You still carry on.

      • That’s right, Jesse, the NIV is the mother of all satanic bible versions out there, with thousands of words taken out, contrary to Scriptures, but that’s not the issue here right now. Candleholder, like many of the deluded folks at SCOAN needs our prayers. It’s not easy to come out of satanic delusion and deception, and I can understand these people because I have been in that kind of situation before. It takes the grace and mercy of God and our willingness to listen to wisdom and to the Word of God.

  35. @ tb Joshua watch,

    Why are you allowing Candle Holder to release Word Curses. He does not know what kind of person he is.

    All this person does is threatening, intimidating, in the hope someone will die. Obviously he has not read how Jesus abhors this !!!!

    Luke 9:51-56
    And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, And sent messengers before his face:and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

    • I like this, but you are acting contrary to what you just said ( For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.) as Christians we say we are Christ like if we see something that is bad is it our duty to condemn or persecute? that does not differentiate us from the pharisees. i see true Christian with iota of love.

      • @ Mr. USman,

        You don’t what persecution is clearly. Go to North Korea and start giving out bibles.

        Rebuke was justified right there. Don’t you have anything to say about Candle Holder who’s underlying scripture quoting is that something bad is going to happen to anyone of us ? Threatening with Scripture of how angry God is and depict Him as actually they are in their own thinking. Destructive. Typical how a carnal Christian thinks. Threats. With scripture making them Word curses. What is the difference with a Satanist and Witch. They do exactly the same. Threats and throwing their curses towards other human beings. It’s called a spirit of control and intimidation. Far from being Godly.

  36. @ TB Joshua watch,

    Candle Holder is using terror to subdue truth that is staring all of them in the face. Uses scripture as a blunt sword that damages himself rather than doing anything good for others.

    As I said and as Jesus said, he clearly does not know what manner of spirit is operating through this person. Jesus came to save us, Candle Holder come in the hope God will strike us. If he is a pastor, he should be removed immediately from that post and sacked. No pastor should ever use scripture to hack into people in the hope they will be killed. Candle Holder is sick and twisted and desperately in need of deliverance. God is not in the business of killing people, but that people are to experience His Love and Grace over their lives. Imagine a pastor talks like this to His sheep !!! Which shepherd does that to their own flock or even other believers. That manner of spirit is not from God. I am not saying God, Jesus is pussyfooting around, but this person is hellbent on in the hope that God will destroy people that love Him very much and want to do His will. As if we are heathens, unbelievers and even then Candle Holder absolutely does not understand John 3:16-17
    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    • Profhet Tb Joshua has no manners, he has no character, he only knows; stragetic tricks; to justify himself, to excuse himself, to blame and harm innocent others, and to hide his arrogant self-willed pride behind a facade of spiritual importanty. A decadent spoiled actor. He kills the soul of the ones who have a own opinion about him, with a rightious smile. A dangerous man who is caught-up in his self-glorifieing deceiving doctrine.

  37. And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. ( Acts. 5:5) KJV

    It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebr.10.30) KJV

    Be carefull with your words Jesse and read better your Bible.

  38. @ Candle Holder,

    I did not lie against the Holy Spirit so I will not fall down or give up the ghost. The Hand of God is upon me,

    Psalms 118:17 I shall not die, but live,
    and declare the works of the Lord.

    Psa 91
    Psalm 91
    He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High
    shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
    I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress:
    my God; in him will I trust.
    Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler,
    and from the noisome pestilence.
    He shall cover thee with his feathers,
    and under his wings shalt thou trust:
    his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
    Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night;
    nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
    Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness;
    nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
    A thousand shall fall at thy side,
    and ten thousand at thy right hand;
    but it shall not come nigh thee.
    Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold
    and see the reward of the wicked.
    Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge,
    even the most High, thy habitation;
    There shall no evil befall thee,
    neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
    For he shall give his angels charge over thee,
    to keep thee in all thy ways.
    They shall bear thee up in their hands,
    lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
    Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder:
    the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
    Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him:I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
    He shall call upon me, and I will answer him:
    I will be with him in trouble;
    I will deliver him, and honour him.
    With long life will I satisfy him,
    and shew him my salvation.

    + I laugh in your face, on your screen, as I laugh in the devils face. Hahahahahaha.

    • Jesse

      How do you know and what makes you so sure that my quotations concern you and apply to you ? I only comment this post. Do not go beyond what is written by me because you will make yourself to smile at me and I am not a girl.

      • @ Candle Holder,

        Girl or not, I can feeeellll the luvvvv man from you and towards others. Have you ever thought about that you are more a legalist than exercising true love to people who write here and even explain why, how and when and what happened.

        Then….. You come around and start throwing scriptures in the hope they will be stricken by God because they and me expose practices found wanting in the Light of God’s word.

        On the other website as well here you condemn, yes your own words, other Christians to receive a scourging or even death from above. Just go back in the corner where you are and start contemplating this scriptures.

        Galatians 6:1-6
        Chapter 6
        Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. For every man shall bear his own burden.
        Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

        And step off your threats, huffing and puffing and misguided use of scripture. Thank you.

  39. @ Candle Shtick,

    Remember this is set in place for me long time ago at my predestination and make all your word curses fall to the ground.

    Colossians 2:8-15
    Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
    In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

    I am not impressed by your huffing and puffing in the slightest. Do you have any clue yourself why you are doing it ? Or you just want to impress me with your “distance is not a barrier” that does not work ? Zzzzzzzzz. Yawn !

  40. Jesse

    I do not codemn anyone. You said many times that TB Joshua is false not me.
    Until now you did not gave any prove in the light of God’s word that it is opposite.
    You base the falsehood of TB Joshua on you own bias.
    I only warned you by giving you many quotations that The Lord, not me, will judge you for your unproven allegations and assumptions against TBJ and even against me.
    Don’t worry Jesse you are in God’s hands.

  41. @ Candle Holder,

    I will give you proof.

    On the 27th of January uploaded video there is a man so called “delivered” from a “Shape Shifting demon”. He claims it is the demon of the Tetragrammaton. Then he explains as they are 24 demons that support one powerful demon that can fill a room with money at will for example. He can manifest millions. (Ahum, Cough, cough)

    Now the real thing about the Tetragrammaton what I know about it.

    The term Tetragrammaton (from Greek τετραγράμματον, meaning “four letters”) refers to the Hebrew theonym (Hebrew: יהוה) transliterated to the Latin letters YHWH. It is derived from a verb that means “to be”,[1] and is considered in Judaism to be a proper name of the God of Israel used in the Hebrew Bible.

    24 demons right ? Counting money in a room stacking them by stacks of 10 or 9. Either one.

    That says enough for me, In one word “Nuts”, plus a high pitched laughter from me on your screen, in your ears for the rest of the day. Mawhahahahahahaha.

    No need to show anything in the light of the bible such crazy claims from this man under aSCOAN “deliverance”. A puppeteer show is nothing compared to it. I am telling ya.

    Mr. Candle Shtick, You still maintain it is real ? Then I advise you to go and tell this to a Psychiatrist, Psychologist or whomever that is a professional councillor. Good luck. You have my blessing. Make sure you reach, ok.

    • I have visited this site again unfortunately I never find anything loaded with the love of the Lord.. the people against Tb Joshua and those for him..all you do is talk in bitterness nothing close to what the Lord expects of us.. Demons are real… so real.. I am glad I didnt have to know about them through TB Joshua.. As I have said before even as a young boy of 14 year I saw these things same as they happen at Tb joshua..and this is many years back before Tb joshua showed up.. the person who was delivering people was just a young boy like me…17 yrs at that time but given to the Lord..all we did was fast pray fellowship n seek the lord and when we went out to preach after school as just kids.. these things I see on Tb joshua would happen..I even saw tongue interpretation and from it some people called some of the guys in our group demon possessed, since who could interpret a tongue and be spot on about something going on.. Now am not using my experience you say that TB joshua is clean.. noo the devil can perform miracles too.. neither am i saying TB joshua is using a devil.. I have seen nothing good out of this site since I first stumbled on it about 3 months ago.. All I have seen are words that would make the world laugh at us the so called believers.. this site would destroy the faith of baby christian who if he/she read what people post here would be lost not knowing who is right or wrong.. this site is a mockery to our christian belief or correcting in love.. The owners of this site believe they are doing Gods work but honestly this site was not borne out of love for lost souls..noo from the post i read here… it was born out of bitterness..Tb joshua this n tb joshua that.. i went there and this happened n that happened.. (i am not saying tb joshua did do the things you claim he did) but where is love.. nowhere..you are bent to bring down tb joshua at all cost even if it means souls are lost in the process.. I have seen power in prayer.. great power.. why cant you that believes TB joshua is a fraud pray about it n God will give you a way to expose what you believe is of the enemy and at the same time save souls.. You mock what the demon called itself.. but this things are real… now tb joshua might not be real but the manifestations of demons are real..

      • @ Joel,

        You mean Peter Popoff, Robert Tilton, Roberts Liardon, Ted Haggard, Todd Bentley, etc etc. They come again and again and again and again. Even other ministers take them in cover them and throw them back in the gene pool. What love could one bring up for one that consciously and deliberately wants to do wrong and evil. Even God hates it. There are people who have sex with 10,000 women (Warren Beatty) or set up a Satan Church, (Anton La Vey), and many others and you ask we must love them. Oh yes by all means love them, But I don’t have to agree with their practices. We all sin and God hates it.
        “Sin is that abominable thing which the Lord hates. Our deeds, whatever they may seem to be, if we think……”

        Why approve of people who do things that are discerned by me that it is not Gods Holy Spirit that operates there. Then I have a right in the light of Gods word to examine it and reject it as well reject those that practice it. As TB Joshua watch said in a post the fake Holy Spirit is so close to the real thing that most Christians are not able to distinguish the True Holy Spirit. Example II Thessalonians 2. It’s so close that God causes them to believe the lie. It’s that close. Very concerning and that is why this website teaches people to think twice before to believe what you see happening. Many times people have been downright deceived by what they have attended to. That’s the sad part. You can’t blame anyone for pointing that out to you. You are responsible yourself for what you accept what is from God and what is not. Discernment takes God and His Holy Spirit to see what is a going on. Most people in the SCOAN are not baptised in the Holy Spirit, they don’t even practice that at all. So that is why their spirit is darkened. Another thing, deliverance is NOT FOR THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOUL. That is a lie from the pit of hell and Satan’s quarters. Romans 10:9

      • @ Joel,

        Quote “now tb joshua might not be real but the manifestations of demons are real”

        I have no doubt that Satan is real and demons, familiar spirits and astral projection and more.

        TB Joshua IS REAL. But many of the “demon manifestations” are not. I hope you get that. One day. I really hope and pray you do.

        Also that you put some of those leaders accountable and confront them for the farce they have been bringing up with their “fantasy internal demons” that were only discovered after over 10 year working for TB Joshua and doing deliverance themselves abroad and in the branches.

        Many posts were written here about that Satan cannot cast out his own kingdom, but how does it work if you have “inner demons” and you go out delivering and casting out demons in people ??? This is contradicting their own credibility and they went with that farce for whatever reason they had for it, to put up a show for the rest of the world to see. My family was extremely angry and upset about this, just for you all to know. Touch not my anointed, yeah right.

        2 Timothy 3:13-15
        But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

        The second part of that scripture I will and my family continue to do and work out my salvation in trembling and in fear of God, so help me God.

  42. @Candle Holder,

    One more time. The Lord will not judge me on matters that you think it is so.

    You are a weird man, a man that will at any cost go in denial about what is said to him. There are 100rds of articles here that proves the facts of people who were involved in SCOAN.

    You on the contrary you have been there 1-2 times ? You have not been in the inner core, nor in the other branches. Yet you insist it is all true ??? What kind of evidence is that ? Or proof from your side ?

    It is clear to me that you will obsessively go in denial even if it is put in front of you. Because you can online. Most people do like that online. Not realizing yourself how silly it all is. I wonder if you can get a good reason for your behavior that you are doing.

    Your way of thinking and communicating shows me, that as long as you can repeat the same thing over and over again you are telling yourself you are in the right. Is there any point to say to you anything anyways ? Has anyone ever said you are stuck, completely stuck in your own obsession.

    You really remind me of people that are in mentally ill houses. Believe me, they do exactly the same. They repeat things forever and can’t help themselves of them doing it. They have no control over their behavior. There is a condition which is called Austism with a Spectrum disorder.

    People like that cannot communicate properly. They go round and round in circles and say the same thing or do the same thing and believe they are doing the right thing. There is absolutely no way you can have a normal conversation with them. They just do what they think is right in their head. Nobody can change their way of thinking. It’s their own world. Maybe you should go and find out if it is. It’s just a suggestion. Oh, and no God will not judge me for that, believe me, He might even suggest it through me for your sake now.

  43. Hey Candle Holder,

    Just to illustrate me, looking at your posts and watching TB Joshua “deliverances”. This is how it sounds. Hope this helps.

  44. Jesse,

    I would like you to show me the proves in the light of God’s Word that TB Joshua is false.

    Instead you are writting very immature comments and posting dull video. Even more you offend me personally a lot.

    Jesse why you use only “Argumentum ad personam” towards me (in Latin the argument addressed to the person) – It is a way in which you abandon appropriate conversation and you begin to describe your alleged qualities of me. This shows that you are unable to show us that the arguments from your side have been exhausted, at the same time deceiving the audience that my right view is false. In addition,you abuse me a lot. You hinder adequate response to the demands that are presented before. Your comments and video make this blog as a lower-quality facility.

    Jesse please keep the comments relevant, civil and not too long.

  45. @ Candle Holder,

    When it is called false, found false, proven false, then it is false. I know from several people they went for healing only to sent home, with excuses.

    Again for you, a blind girl that cannot see, who came with handler, was told to go and watch Emmanuel TV. You don’t find this preposterous ? No, you don’t, because that is just ok in your head.

    Now you are accusing me of using this blog as a facility for lower-quality. Just to illustrate you how I think about the above standing deliverance of a shape shifting demon ? Are they in David Ickes conspiracy theory now of that the reptillians are among us.

    And you all enjoy it jumping up and down of a genuine deliverance. Read my writing, Crock, misleading, false, silly, wacko, stupid.

    No need for any bible verse to be passed on that. Facts. But I will throw one in for you. II Thessalonians 2. Says it all.

  46. @ candle holder,

    Why don’t you look up Autism with a Spectrum disorder and read that that is exactly what you are doing. And it is you that creates the situation as Ad Hominem. Not me.

    • Jesse

      I like repetition.
      Maybe you will finally understand what one speak to you.
      If any man speak, let him speak, as the words of God. ( 1 Peter 4:11)
      To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not troublesome, but for you it is safe. (Philipians 3:1)
      You can call it this Autism or whatever.

      • @Candle Holder,

        Your repeating of the Word acts like a hacksaw, while it supposed to work as a scalpel. I don’t experience any if the latter application concerning that.

        You just want me dead through God’s Judgments and vengeance. That,s Hacksaw. Instead of showing people guidance in kindness how you were tempted by your own devices and find it difficult as a sinner to not be aggressive either and going round in circles because you find communication difficult and that also you need grace and forgiveness. That you also make mistakes and teaching. And admit that quite a few “deliverances are fake ” That’s scalpel.

        That is speaking as a Christian. But you don’t want to hear that, you just want it all going away because you want you want to speak as God.Yes ? I am telling now, it does not work like that. Maybe in your diary or agenda but not in mine.

  47. @ Candle Holder,

    To explain a little more about Autism with a Spectrum Disorder. Your interaction is repetitive, using the same words to provoke someone to inter act with you. Nobody communicates like that in a normal setting. You also have noticed that most people except me have stopped talking to you. Does that not ring a bell ?

    I know why you are doing this. You just do it, because you know that people will get tired of it. In the imaginary hope for you they will just leave this blog. Correct ? Including your sworn allegiance to The SCOAN.

    Only you don’t find this weird. You are living the role of agitator without any consciousness that the conversation goes nowhere because of your way reply.

    In your case there is such a huge amount of love and patience necessary because that is also likely a root cause of being accepted with defending the SCOAN at all costs. You don’t do anything by reflection, but by reflex. Not thinking for one second that most people here are just tired of your endless repeats of the same topic of judging, condemning, or whatever.

    Whenever a topic is put out and carefully laid out, you come in and start your repetitive also childish story of how you and SCOAN are persecuted.

    The behaviour you are showing is called Autism with a Spectrum disorder. It is what it is.

  48. Jesse,

    Your own words from above: “Read my……… wacko, stupid”

    Whoever rejects me and does not receive my words has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, that shall judge him in the last day. (John 12:48)

    But whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Matthew 5:22)

    You will not be able to say that you did not know.

  49. @ Candle Holder,

    You are not Jesus are you ? And you do like if your words are those that are in your mouth are those equal of Jesus Christ Himself. You just quote scripture that suits you. I did not call you a fool. One of your lies and your petty threats. Not sure if you can distinguish.

    Stupid is as stupid does. Quote from Forrest Gump. You don’t call an apple a pear do you ? You call it as it is. Wacko, weird, fake, false and lying. All words that are applicable. Only you can get away with it in your head and those that are in SCOAN. Check out if you are not suffering of a god complex.

    • Jesse,

      Not before me but before The Lord Jesus you will explain how you use words “wacko, stupid” that you like to apply to abuse people, including your Forest Gump story.

      • @ Candle Holder,

        What you think if TB Joshua says, Churches are ruled and taught by “Donkey Pastors”.

        Ahhh, that’s ok, huh, Candle Holder, but if I say a word that is in the Dictionary and normal for everyday conversation. You say, I can’t or should not say it, because now Jesus is going to Judge me.

        I wonder how you walk around in daily life. For example if you do shopping in Walmart. You talk like then also as words of God. Or are you locked up in a church between four walls and go nowhere and only speak church talk.

        I really wonder how that would be like. You go to the till and buy milk and a marsbar and then you start talking scriptures as the words of God like a man/woman. In your own little fashion of doing as you are doing here. Then when they tell you off that you are for example a Jesus Freak, you start, you will be judged by Jesus for your careless words. Bang ! Bang ! Bang ! Lightning start to strike and thunder starts to roll. Cashier is dead and carried off to the cemetery. Candle Holder Glories and Rejoices. Because that is the only thing Candle Holder likes to see. Duh !

        Then another thing, @ T. B. Joshua Watch, don’t believe Candle Holder that Candle Holder is not worshipping Mr. and “Prophet” T. B. Joshua and Mr. Wisemen. Go to the other website and you will see that Candle Holder does exactly that. Can you take Candle Holder for real and on Candle Holder’s word ? Well sorry I don’t. I have found Candle Holder numerous times saying things that are just not true. Just an example to mention that I called him a fool. Show me any place in time where I did call you that word. Of course Candle Holder will not be judged by Jesus for telling fibs, Candle Holder as Candle Holder is can just get away with it just like that. No Kidding.

  50. @ Candle Holder,

    Why are you incapable of analysing or explain II Thessalonians 2 that it is totally applicable on SCOAN.

    By your own admission you think that when you quote and apply the above scriptures you quoted you are speaking in the first person as if you are God.

    I am not the only one that says that, there are many people looking over my shoulder what you are saying is weird, unscriptural, many replies from you are lies, like I called you a fool. Etc. etc. Being stupid or doing stupid is not the same as a fool. A fool does not know better and you are trying really hard and at your utmost you are not in that kind of league. I am not saying it, but we/I believe you behave foolish in accepting videos like pastors who have basecamp on Jupiter and People with the shape shifting demons that are Tetragrammaton. 24 of them that can manifest money by the load the size of a room, not even demonstrate this for anyone to see. You accept this gleefully, with joy and happiness, because anyone would know this is lies. Not you, not anyone that sits and works in SCOAN.

    You don’t want me to tell you that this foolish, weird, wacko, and stupid ? Is that what you are saying, Mr. candle Holder, aka “Jesus Christ” himself.

    Look man, you are not doing yourself any favours with all that fantasy anymore. It’s downright loopy. Go get some deliverance. Please for your own sake.

    • I will not judge you. The Word of Jesus and He Himself will judge you. If any man speak, let him speak, as the words of God. ( 1 Peter 4:11)

  51. @ Candle Holder,

    Let’s look at some scriptures shall we ? In the light of Gods word.

    1 Corinthians 3:18-23
    Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; And ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s.

    1. You glory and worship TB Joshua and the wise men.
    2. If you think you are so wise, then know that they are vain.
    3. The wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. You go by fake deliverances of folly people.
    4. If you want to be wise it says here, why do you have problems becoming a fool ? Depends on what kind of fool ofcourse. I believe I can’t go in discussion with you about that because you would find a way to twist it as you see fit and it never has any application to yourself, ever. (Autism with a Spectrum Disorder). Living in your own dreamworld called SCOAN and its precepts and application.

    • I do not glory and I do not worship TB Joshua. I glory Saviuor Lord Jesus and His Father and you dishonor me by Autism with Spectrum Disorder. Is this your own form of using the word stupid or wacko ?

    • @Jesse & @tbjoshuawatch. I have done a lot of investigation into your claims and your allegations. You are clutching at straws or looking for small specs you can find. Saying TB Joshua does not mention Jesus Christ or does not give honor to Jesus Christ or does not preach repentance is absolute nonsense. I have watched many sermons of him and have been a partner for many years. I also spoke to a man of God recently that knows Prophet TB Joshua very well for many years on a personal level. His answer was that TB Joshua is a true man of God. What worries me is that this blog is run mostly by disgruntled disciples, junior prophets or pastors, some of them serving under the prophet for many years. In a huge ministry like SCOAN many people come and go and many people surround Prophet Joshua.Many people around the Prophet’s motives are not pure. A few of them have been found out and are now trying to discredit his ministry even for financial gain. On the SCOAN website they distance themselves from the tbjoshuawatch, watchtbjoshua and watchingtbjohua blogs. So saying people worship him is those people’s own problem. He cannot account for what everybody around him does, the ministry is just too big. I have prayed for people who were sick and taken them to crusades at other ministries and yet they have died. Some of them were healed. We only know in part so saying it is the Pastor’s fault is wrong. We live in a generation without faith and hope

      • @ Concerned,

        Quote from you !!!!
        “Many people around the Prophet’s motives are not pure. A few of them have been found out and are now trying to discredit his ministry even for financial gain. ”

        Lies, lies and more lies. Instead you should have said. We were ignorant at one time, now we know better and uncover, lies, fake deliverances, dodgy theology, idol worship, sexual abuse, destroying people’s life with excuses of not being healed, leaders that served over 10 years there and do deliverance themselves and are alllll of a sudden full of demons and need deliverance, monies used for hours upon hours listening to demon and fake deliverances if not for their own gain, and much much more.

        Let’s be clear here about myself, I DON’T NEED ANY MONEY from TB Joshua and/or wiseman. At my household we work and pay our own bills and expenses. As I matter of fact We supported this ministry with thousands of dollars. How dare you to accuse me and my family came for financial gain.

        Thou shalt not make or do any false witness (speaking lies) that is not true. Go talk to Candle Holder about that and listen to what he has to say about lying. Typical what you see Satan doing, lying and the father of lies.

      • @ Concerned,

        Quote ” We live in a generation without faith and hope”

        Another lie, everything in my family is living in faith and in hope and I am sure that the writers of this blog and millions of other Christians do the same.

        This is one of those brainwash quotes you are saying that besides the gurglings and revvings of TB Joshua and wise men there is no life for anyon beyond their Christianity and self sufficient life in faith focused on the real Christ instead of some men in the SCOAN.

      • @ Concerned,

        I would like to know who that so called man of God is ? Put it here so I can check their credentials to see if it is true.

  52. The Anointed of God today, like Moses and Elijah and Elisha etc., is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, who died, shed His Blood for the remission of our sins and rose from the dead and who is sitting at the right hand of God our Father.

    We have just a messure of the Holy Spirit coming on us, from Jesus, so to speak.

    But it is apparently alright now, not to have our focus on Jesus, or it is apparently alright to even speak against Him, but O boy, don’t touch anyone human today saying he is an anointed.

    The miracle workers.

    NO ONE IS IN THE LEGUE OF JESUS THE ANOINTED!

    NO ONE!

    • Yes. In Matthew 17:5 God the Father declared Jesus to be God the Son, and instructed that all were to listen to Jesus, and in John 16: 14 – 15 Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would be bringing glory, not to himself, but to Jesus, by declaring what he received from Jesus. Only Jesus. Hebrews 7:25-26 Jesus only is our Saviour and Lord. John the Baptist got it right – John 3:27-36, Paul got it right – Colossians 1:15-20, and then we have the revelation God has given us Revelation 1:1-3 and Revelation chapter 5.

      • Its to much honour for this profhet- woolf to spend to much bible-teksts on him, he is the embodiement of all the evil tricks that are possible. Its so dirty, that even a christian can become mute about it. He is ab-normal, and the best is to pray for his healing, and to waist no time any-more on discussions about him. He tress-passes almost all the laws of the divine rules and the 10 commands, so ; what will be able to stop him and to awake him to him-self? Only God can. So we pray.

      • @ Very,

        That is correct, but you won’t hear something like that from Candle Holder or a SCOAN worshipper. They will go only, with their finger wagging in your face, Don’t Judge, Don’t call me fool, Jesus will get you and Judge you for your careless words, Prove it in the light of God’s word, I only speak as I speak God’s words as a man, woman, child, I never repeat anything ever only 25 times max, Don’t Judge, Don’t tell I am a fool, I am not stupid, wacko, I like fake deliverances, there is no acting in the deliverances, I like 25 minute demon lies speaking through any pastor, man, woman, child, lizard, bird, fly, and more. I really like TB Joshua. He is the only man of God on earth, a true prophet, everything comes to pass…. without any change of the situation. We are a true ministry. Beware you, you, youuuuu that blaspheme.

  53. This profhet, has to live with him-self. With his self-adoration, self-centredness, his hunger for fame, his never-ending fights to proove that he is a real profhet, his never-ending blames to others, his tricks, his stragedies to beat the so-called imagenated enemy, his demon-doctrine and his sin-doctrine, he lives in his own imagenated prison and calls it; heaven on earth. He comes-out 2 a week and showers some anoitings, utters some parables and chatters some profhesies, and uses and mis-uses, heals and delivers people as he likes. Its one big theatre of a man who has a strange hunger to impress the world with misleading self-exposing. Some love him, and others hate him, and he dont mind about love nor hatred. He only minds about his own kicks, own might and own gain. Its just the pity-full situation of every buzziness-man with a bad taste. Real profhets dont need to promote their own shop, they have no time for it either. Maybe profhet Joshua is waiting for some directions of God, and is he just passing time with entertaining the sick and the needy?

    • Jamie ,

      Is it a way how you throw away your big portion of evil frustration? Righteous ones are always calm….but the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.

      (Isaiah 57:20)

  54. I already watched this video long time ago. On this video we can see Dave Tong and his future wife Angie smiling at sunday school children. I will not alow to sing this song if I would be TB Joshua. You were disciples so you know more about it. It was sang spontaneously? Am I right Dave? Am I right Angie? Angie, on another film I watched about SCOAN I noticed you crying before the round altar of SCOAN ? What do you think of those years ? Are they lost ? Would you be now after SCOAN if things in your branch would go different ?

  55. @ Concerned,

    Ofcourse they distance themselves from it. The law if reaping what you sow is going up right there.

    Proof of what they do is not working universally and elsewhere. It’s only for those that are true SCOANites. Right !

    TB Joshua and wisemen do zip about their idol worship towards themselves. Nor do you see them publicly rebuke people for it, do they ? All that, to not alienate others. iinstead of defusing it that they are just like everybody else with sins and falling short of the glory of God the just carry on and float with that personal glory. And the least thing they could do is saying, please, please I am not the Christ or the Christ of our time. I am just Mr. TB Joshua with my own shortcomings like all of you. Showing everyone he is human after all.

  56. @ Concerned,

    Quote ” I have done a lot of investigation into your claims and your allegations”

    Watch out Sherlock Holmes and Watsup are here, you better be cringing in your corner. They are gonna get you. I am telling ya.

  57. Ya, Jamie. You have summed TB Joshua up exactly. I also feel that we are just wasting our time trying to quote the Word of God to him and his deceived followers. He will go on building his tower of Babel ministry, with evil bricks, through him and himself, using others for the job, until the day that our Lord Jesus Christ will stop him.

    And the false prophet performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men – Rev 13:13.

    Enough has been said to expose TB Joshua, just on this web-site alone. The chosen people of God will come out, but the rest will keep on believing what they want. If you were not involved in the inside, you will struggle to see through his tricks.

    He is truly a cowardly master of brilliantly, slimy, clever, deceitful, tricks.

    For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear – 2 Timothy 4:3

    He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the Saints – Rev 13:10

    We keep on praying for tbj and everyone involved with scoan.

    Maybe, just maybe, some can still come out of scoan, without being so hurt and disillusioned to the point where they lose their faith in Jesus Christ.

  58. For Concerned and Candle holder….

    Please dont be offended, but I’d just like to your opinion about Jesus. Do you believe that Jesus is God?

  59. for Concerened in particular:

    Im not saying you are lying about SCOAN not being behind the “watchtbjoshua” (which says that TBJ is the Messiah), but that doent mean they are not. They deny they are, but i dont believe them, and here is why.
    As you know, my picture is all over an article about me being a M15 spy. Picutes of me in my army uniform with wanted signs.
    I reported it to the authorities, who gave SCOAN UK a call telling them to get it down.
    That same day I got an email from SCOAN UK saying that they have nothing to do with it, they dont know who it is and have no control over it.
    That same day though, the day the police called SCOAN, the website was taken down.
    (didnt stay down for long though, but whatever.)

    They get a call from the police, they make sure that website gets taken down, rapido.
    THAT is why I dont believe them.

    • @ Candle Holder,

      No it is not. From what I can see is that all your words that come out of your mouth should be the bible word for word.

      No-one can live in the world like this. I am not saying that have to live in the world here, sigh. The only place where you can do this if you literally live 24 hours in a church, who feeds you, pays your bills, provides accommodation, protects you, provide transportation, etc. etc. Aka living between four walls of the church.

      The only thing you need to do is walking from place A to B and talk, quote, practice the application of the Word. Then only you can do this. But if you are not in such position you need to talk other words too. Like when you do a job, go pay your bills, do grocery shopping, ride a car and using or repairing a computer, bike, house etc etc. It’s kinda normal. I guess for you not.

    • To understand on a deeper level what is going on in scoan, you have to have a great insight in the bible. And most people dont have it. And a lot of africans are still illiterated, so manipulation and deceiving is easy., and even the elect will be misleaded. What is the deceiving? 1. a mix of religous doctrine and the free gospel. 2. mystification about the working of the Holy Spirit and the use of un-bibly powers 3. Impartations and anotings that are not accoording to the new-testament 4. demon-deliverances that are not bibly 5. profhesies that are questionable 6. a faith-statement that is based on a wrong approuching of the truth 7. a amazing amount of blunders and misstakes 8. a amazing stragedy to cover and hide the mess. …/… Jezus died for us on the cross, for our sins, for our healing, . And by His immens sacrifize, the world received everything; healing, life, prosperity, for-giveness of sin, we received the Holy Spirit, and Jezus promised; I will be with you always. So; and thats all we need to know., and life will be full victory again. amen.

    • @ Candle Holder,

      THANK YOU, JESUS ! You are always victorious, We/I know that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess That JESUS CHRIST IS LORD !!!! All glory and power belongs to you alone. Still Lord Jesus bless take care and love Candle Holder who has thrown up a fit. Be with him in his darkest hour and pain.

      • Jesse, consider the possibility, that TB Joshua is victum of his own back-ground in the Gospel and culture. A lot of his activities are based on the law of the old-testament. As; the dramatical humiliating sin-confessions, while our sins are forgiven and we have to build the new body of Christ. as; the race to get and maintain blessings and healings, while everthing is already given to us, and we only have to set it free. as; building faith-practizes, because one mustard-seed is enough and the rest of the battle is just about un-believe. as; demon-deliverances, while a christian can not be entered by demons, only attac is possible, so the demon-possesed people in scoan are not even christians, as; powers and anoitings that are offerd by egos, in steat of the humble way of servants, because we all have this power in us, we need to activate it, its just part of the inheritance that we all received. A lot of TB Joshuas grandiosity and troubled presentation has to do with his own wrong understanding of the new-testament-promises. We dont need to run after and to press unto God for what we need, we have already received everthing in our spirit by the forfilled works on the cross by Jezus, we only need to learn how to release this forfilled promises and blessings. TB Joshuas foundation and manners are old-testament, while releasing of the power of God is new testament. The mix makes the problems. In the new-testament every member of the body of Christ is independant and able to set the power free. The role of a man-of God is mature people to this independancy, by the right knowledge. TB JOshua holds on to position of might, that is old testament.

  60. Ohhh. Yes.. Jesse from one side you glorify Jesus: He is The Lord, He is God etc… but from the other side did you already stop to spit on people your final statements without a prove? Are you going to take a part in next train circle of TB Joshua watch blog, when comments of this post hit more than 100 or something? Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. (James 3:10) I already got off at the last station from the wrong train called TB Joshua watch blog

    • Again candle Holder; Spitting on people is a expertise of tb Joshua. Why? Because his presentation is done by a carnal-stand-point, with carnal problems and solutions, and they use the Spirit-power to heal this carnal problems. Its a wrong approuching and teaching about the Spirit of God. On carnal level the person becomes changed to a better person, on the Spirit realm the person becomes changed to the spirituall identity we are in Christ. When spiritual powers of God are used to change carnal troubles, then this is a dis-grace to what God had in mind for us. Its spitting on the spirit-beingness in people, it is ignoring the spirit-man in us, and it is given attentions to the carnal humanly troubles. Thats the wrong standpoint and the mis-using of Christs gifts to us. In Christ we are all; spiritual beings. And so we are holy childeren of God. Childeren of God dont need to be treated as animals, not even when they have demonical issues in them.

      • and why does TB Joshua operates on the carnal-flesch-levels? Because he is caught-up in it. He has weaknesses on the flesch-level., and on the ego-level. It means, he can have a great Spirit-man, and still operate on his own level of understanding of the Spirit-relams., in a carnal way.

    • @ Candle Holder,

      Quote “February 1, 2013 2:46 pm
      Candle Holder will not write anything on this blog anymore.”

      Then on February 2 you start writing again here…..Uuum you don’t want me to write the obvious about you here do I ? It starts with a known word, how about…fibbing, just to soften it a bit for you ? 😉

      James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

      • I am not in the train of TB Joshua watch because it is not my direction. But always I may send to you my postcard or my greetings.

      • @Candle Holder,

        Candle Holder cannot resist to keep writing here. I guess it’s where the real action is, huh ? Life must be kinda boring since you are itching to write here. 😉

        About that train where you going on it long time has derailed. Lol. No worries, Jesus will put you back on track when your eyes finally go open.

        Secondly, I have witnessed that TB Joshua has made clear to his followers that they need to focus upon Jesus and say more thank you to Him. Well, it is a step forward I suppose, but what about the rest……If anyone glorifies Jesus And make Him the Center of the attention, I am extremely happy, coz that’s what He is about and much more. Now the rest need to be sorted. They know what I mean, let’s wait and see they do something above expectation. The more they put Jesus higher and worship Him, the better and the happier I will become. I hope I will not be disappointed with saying this.

    • @ Candle Holder,

      “Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. (James 3:10)”

      So you compare me to a witch, satanist and a man of God ? I sometimes wonder when they suddenly without notice would yank your beard real hard what you would say ?

      I guess you are not human after all. Always walking perfect, never make one mistake. Uhuh.

      Hmmmm

  61. Maybe tb joshua watch, it is an idea for a new theem, to unraffel the old and new-testament-promises, so the truth of Christs promises will become more clear to every-one, and so there is a more clear light on the good and wrong-doeings of the scoan-concept by it. It can ease the pains of the mis-leaded members and disciples. Tb Joshua is still responsibile for a lack of insight and leadership, but the Truth of the situation set us and him free, at last.

    • Jezus healed, by talking to the Spiritual beingness in persons. He did not healed the carnal sickness, He asked the spirit-beingness to come forth. He appealed to the spirit in the other. He appealed to the super-natural identity. Sickness is carnal and darkness. The healing is in the Spirit-identity. Tb Joshua heals by the spirit and in the spirit, and still treads people as carnal. He gives them a glimp of the greatness that Christ has given us. We all have all the gifts and virtues of Christ in us. When TB JOshua should bring them out in us, bu right teachings, his position would become in danger, because every-body has received the same powers and gifts as he received. He chooses to keep the people in ignorance about this facts. Thats radical against Gods will for us. and extreem egoistical.

  62. I ask Candleholder if Jesus is God, and he decides now is a good time to leave the discussion.

    Too bad. Honsetly, I’m not all that sure TB J believes Jesus is God either. Im open to correction though. Its just that i’ve noticed this belief among SCOAN-people.

  63. glad to hear it…..other ppl on this site have denied this. was worried this belief had pervaded scoan

  64. Thank you very much ,please man of God pray for my daughter micah nawila aged 19 yeas she is always vomiting blood . I trust when you pray she will healed immediately . She is doing Grade 12 final year. Father Mr Siwila Lloyd . Chingola town Zambia .

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  66. Yeah we shall not “touch” the anointed. But we have to prove that someone is an anointed one first. Somehow if “someone” is indeed not an anointed one. Then we can “touch” him as many times as we see fit. LoL

  67. I am a devout christian, personally I don’t have an opinion /judgement whether T.B Joshua is wrong or right.

    Many christian followers have this cult mentality of putting up a man on a godlike pedestal, I even read where TB Joshua faithfuls said questioning him on this blog is blasphemous.All these protestant churches sprung from the revolution and rejection of roman catholic doctrine which believes that the pope is infallible,but now many generations later these scripture is now being invoked by protestant religious leaders/followers to protect themselves from scrutiny.Rev. King’s followers used to defend him this way till he was proven in a competent court of law,that he is a criminal. Some till this day still defend him.
    If people did not ask questions of him will he have been investigated?

    My loyalty lies with no man but God and the bible,because scientist have not been able to disprove how books written centuries apart by different authors could be so synchronous with each other -that my friends is the infallibility of the word of GOD, not that of the Archbishop of Canterbury, the pope, John Haggea ,my pastor or your pastor but God’s. If my pastor brings forth any doctrine that is not biblical,I leave there at the church at the end of service.

    TB Joshua, Benny Hinn, Adeboye, Archbishop Of Canterbury, Pope, Cardinals, TD Jakes, all are human and a lot of people look up to them therefore are required to maintain a certain decorum, and YES should be scrutinized if need be because the church was never structured to give sole power to one man.

    Sites like this blog are needed to remind the ”men of cloth” that someone is watching.

    America is a relatively decent country politically because no arm of government has absolute power,there are checks and balances,that is how it should be in the church.

    ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY

    In conclusion,I have never been to the synagogue nor plan to go there anytime soon therefore i hold no opinion to the left nor to the right of TB Joshua but I believe we should ask more questions of our leaders,be it in politics or religion. Don’t be a blind and foolish follower.

  68. The writer of the article is so right.
    This verse is totally taken out of context and misused over and over again.
    If a Pastor is misuseing church funds made for a particular project,for example let’s say the poor, the church members find out about it and approach him.Pointing out his mistake.
    would you say these people will burn in hell for questioning him about a wrong he has done.
    The Bible teaches us about love, we are called to love our neighbour one of the ten commandments.
    This pastor would have broken one of Gods law of not showing love.
    Another example, it happens alot here in Africa that the Church mostly the Catholic church usually speaks out when Governments are taking the people for granted.
    Would you say then that they are wrong is sparking for the poor, mind you they have judged.
    Let’s not twist God’s words to suit our situations.
    Food for thought!

  69. Don’t blame this Man, he has a lot of evidence for doing Good things and showing it for the world. if you have evidence help the victims the court is free for you, collect them and try to put him in jail. other wise to judge some one only by the creative writings of your mind is the most easiest thing as it was happened on the life of jesus and his followers…May God the Jesus bless his real servant.

    • Someone is able to do good things and also bad. If we all turn a blind eye because someone has done good things in the past then we are definately not following God’s word.
      I am not talking about TB in particular but all people.
      No one is inviciable.

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