In our last post we addressed Psalm 105:15 – “Touch not the Lord’s anointed”, a verse often used in an attempt to discredit this site. Another favourite verse to quote at us is Matthew 7:1a, “Judge not, or you too shall be judged”. The verse has been discussed multiple times in the comments section, so much of this may seem familiar – but given the regularity with which this objection comes up, it seems worthwhile to dedicate a post to it.
In the verse in question, Jesus is apparently giving a clear command to not judge, right? Wrong, but it is easy to get that impression if you only read half a verse – using the same technique you can get the bible to say “There is no God” (Psalm 53:1). In the broader context of Matthew 7, far from teaching his followers not to judge, he’s teaching them how to judge righteously. Let’s look at the full passage.
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. (Matthew 7:1-5)
The issue Jesus is addressing here is the habit many of us have of seeing the bad in others while being oblivious to the fact that we’re guilty of the same thing. We elevate ourselves by putting down others and pointing out their sin.
Jesus then uses an intentionally absurd analogy of someone with a plank of wood in their eye pointing out and offering to remove a speck of sawdust in their brother’s eye. This is describing a process of judging (pointing out the speck) and correction (removing the speck). If we are to believe that the passage teaches us not to judge, then the passage would have to end at this point, but it doesn’t. Jesus tells us we should first take the plank out of our own eye so that we see clearly to remove the speck from our brother’s eye. Still judging and correcting, but this time from a position of righteousness, not hypocrisy.
Let’s consider an example relevant to TB Joshua Watch. As anyone familiar with TB Joshua will know, there are numerous allegations that he has sexually abused female disciples. If you hear one of these allegations, you automatically have a judgement to make, either:
- TB Joshua is guilty
- TB Joshua is innocent
- We don’t know what happened, but the allegations are serious enough that they should be investigated.
Most supporters of TB Joshua will immediately opt for option 2, TB Joshua is innocent. And that wouldn’t be judging, right? Wrong. There are real women who have made these allegations, so by assuming TB Joshua is innocent, you are judging that their allegations are false. Making false allegations such as these would be a wicked crime.
In reality, nobody really believes we are not to judge, and people who quote this half verse do so when its convenient to them, while ignoring it when it applies to them (ironic given the proper message of the passage!). Often when people rebuke us for judging, at the same time they’re judging us, as demonstrated in the following twitter conversation.
Without the ability to judge, the church is rendered powerless against false teaching, immorality and deception. Whatever anyone claims the Holy Spirit has revealed to them becomes accepted. The bible is clear in multiple places that this is not the way it should be, again and again it tells us to test things:
“Test everything. Hold on to the good.” (1 Thess. 5:21).
“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God” 1 John 4:1
“you have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false” Rev 2:2
Not only are we allowed to judge, as responsible Christians we must judge – failure to do so will soon result in our faith being hijacked by whichever false teacher next comes our way.
By all means disagree with our conclusions regarding TB Joshua, but don’t do so out of a misplaced belief that to question or criticise anything he does would be in direct disobedience to Jesus – nothing could be further from the truth.
Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. Rev 2:20
Heres an example of a church who DIDNT judge this woman and her following. They shyed away from it and tolerated her in their midst. They should have judged her and split. (Note to self, not all ‘church splits’ are bad)
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Perhaps this post will help answer your objection https://tbjoshuawatch.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/why-do-the-accusers-of-tb-joshua-take-so-long-to-tell-their-stories/
This one might help too https://tbjoshuawatch.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/abuse-accusations-against-tb-joshua-how-can-they-be-verified/
Do you remember David the man after the heart of god he reap maryd women killed her husband his loial solder what made him after the heart of god when profit god natal told him 2 Sam 12:he fail his ne asked forgivnce in contrary sole he is tersety of on his glory he asked respect by the people we all miss do we admit ask forgivnce or we alike sole ? B b
The difference with David is he confessed and repented. TB Joshua condemns his accusers as liars.
Please stop sending me in this email address coz its for work related issues only, i had overlooked that one. My sincere apologies please otherwise it will jeopardise my job.
Thanking you in advance
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I for one will say if the people who claim to have been raped or impregnanted by the prophet are serious and are 100 percent sure he did. They should chanllenge openly with proof e.g bring the babies forward so that the prophet can respond to the allegations becuse talking about serious allegation, Without proof is making this website and the people involved liars. So don’t just talk we want proof!
If there were babies involved then you have a point, but we’ve never reported that. If not, then proof is not going to be possible. Again, I recommend the articles posted above to Belete. If there was just one allegation of sexual abuse we wouldn’t report it, but there are multiple, they bear striking similarities and they come from unrelated people who have been at SCOAN at different times.
Yes, there is the particular case of Ajoke, which I personally know about. Ajoke is the name of the girl born out of adultery and fornication by T B Joshua, with one of his female “disciples.” At the time I was at SCOAN, we were told that, as a baby, Ajoke was ” abandoned” in the church by someone, and was “adopted” by TBJ but it turns out she is a carbon copy of TBJ. Ajoke is now a student at Oxford, in London. And there are many other cases of children born out of wedlock by TBJ. TBJ is a liar and a deceiver, an adulterer and fornicator who needs to come before the entire church to make his confessions like other people. Anyone who follows TBJ is very much deceived.
Cult and sektarian-behavior and controle. http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/cultdyn.htm
Thanks to the people who run this website. I learn a lot of facts in this website. Useful information in this web helps me know TB better. Thanks. Keep the good works on. As for the healing, I hope we will know more about it in the future. Hopefully some Christian-doctors could take some test and tell us if people are REALLY healed. Without running testes it’s hard to say.
Hi Dulan Fai. My friend was healed of breast cancer by TBJ. Sadly she died of breast cancer a year or so later. No tests needed there to show she wasn’t healed. But of course SCOANites believe she was healed and just failed to have sufficient faith. The BBC and SKY news in the UK both exposed cases of people with HIV who had been ‘ healed’ but sadly went on to infect others. Again SCOANites believe they were healed but didn’t have enough faith. There have been other examples on this site.
Thanks for the comment DulanFai
It would be good for SCOAN to allow some independent doctors to examine their claims, but we won’t hold our breath. We are aware of several people who have gone to TB Joshua for healing, and all but one of them are dead (the one exception was not healed, but is still alive and has told her story on this site: Judith’s story). The sky news and BBC investigation both reported stories of multiple people who had died after being declared healed by TB Joshua, these are both leading international news organisations. You can also read “Anna’s story“, and the story of Giles’ mother on this site. We can honestly say, we’re not aware of a single genuine healing from TB Joshua’s church – that’s not to say there aren’t any, but we have not seen any evidence.
Many people have also asked for proof, but I’ll ask you the same as what I ask them:exactly what proof would you accept?
No one has answered that question. No one.
Simple. Let independent doctors exams the healing cases and report back to the world. “No one has answered”? Or you just won’t listen.
It does not have to be christian doctors is it ? A qualified independent high standard doctor/surgeon with document history from people before and after is useful. Preferably American, European, United Kingdom one’s should be berated. But on one condition, none of them should be affiliated with a branch of SCOAN, the SCOAN Church in Nigeria, any other church that sentiments towards SCOAN.
I want to drop another bombshell, some of the visitors are from other churches with the instruction to behave as they do for the camera to attract other people who watch them for e.g. Gilbert Deya, Matthew Ashimolowo, David Oyedepo, Chris Okotie, Tudor Bismarck, Godwin Chitsinde, Ezekiel Guti, Tom Deuschle, Christ Oyakhilome,
Nicholas Duncan Williams, Ayo Oritsijafor, E. A. Adeboye, Jordan E. and Manasseh Bernard, Eddie L. Long and others
@ TB Joshua Watch, I have not gone, I am just observing…;-)
Bible verses to back up your article….
Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God: And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do. Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens: And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall JUDGE: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee. If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace. Exodus 18:19-23
Do ye not know that the saints shall JUDGE the world? and if the world shall be JUDGED by you, are ye unworthy to JUDGE the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall JUDGE angels? how much more things that PERTAIN to this life? If then ye have JUDGEMENTS of things pertaining to this life, set them to JUDGE who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to JUDGE between his brethren? 1 Corinthians 6:2-5
A Word Study.
The Hebrew name for prayer is (te-fil-lah), a word that gives us s deep insight into the Biblical concept of prayer which is often completely overlooked.
Surprisingly, the root of tefillah is (palal), meaning to judge, to differentiate, and to decide.
In life, we constantly need to sort out evidence from rumors, facts from fancy.
A judge is external to a situation and by the application of Divine Truth and Justice to Judge a situation according to the Truths in the Word of God.
True prayer is not an outflow from within (there are other words for this), but a renewed penetration and intake of Truth far beyond ourselves, from our Heavenly Father Himself, through His Laws, to firstly judge ourselves and also others.
The Heaven is a Court Room:
The High Court of God –
1. God the Father is the Judge of Judges:
For the LORD is our Judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our King; it is he who will save us – Isaiah 33:22
2. Jesus is our Advocate/Lawyer before our Father the Judge:
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an Advocate who speaks to the Father in our defense-Jesus Christ, the Righteous Lawyer – 1 John 2:1
3. The Holy Spirit works with to:
But I tell you the truth: “It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor (Holy Spirit) will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you” – John 16:7
When he comes, he will convict the world of sin and God’s righteous judgment – John 16:8
4. Satan is the world accuser:
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down – Revelation 12:10
5. You are the accused, but
Repent of your sins
and now, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways/laws, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul – Deuteronomy 10:12-13
You shall keep therefore His statutes and his commandments, which He commands you this day, that it may go well with you and with your children after you and that you may prolong your days upon the earth, which the LORD your God give you forever – Deuteronomy 4:40
6. The Prayer warriors are God’s solicitors.
None call for justice, nor any plead for truth, they trust in vanity and speak lies, they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity – Isaiah 59:4
Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints – Ephesians 6:18
JUDGEMENT NOT – IS THAT BIBLICAL?
The Bible gives examples of false prophets who arose, and how God Almighty judged them through His men.
Let’s take a look at three examples:
1. Jeremiah 28:1-17- HANANIAH was the son of a prophet named Azzur. Apparently, this made Hananiah decide since his father was a true prophet, that he could be a prophet too, so he proceeded to make proclamations in Yahweh’s name. Yahweh’s true prophet, Jeremiah, then went to speak to Hananiah about his proclamations. Hananiah continued to make false prophecies in Yahweh’s name, so Yahweh gave Jeremiah a message for Hananiah: Yahweh had not commissioned Hananiah, and thus he will have to die for being a false prophet and misleading the people. Later, that same year in the seventh month, Hananiah did die. Interestingly, before this happened, Yahweh had given the message through Jeremiah that a false prophet would come to give the false prophecies that Hananiah spoke (Jeremiah 27: 15-22).
2. Jeremiah 29:24-32 – SHEMAIAH also attempted to speak in the name of Yahweh, stating that he was to replace another man as priest and grand overseer. So, Yahweh gave his true prophet Jeremiah a message for the people who listened to him: Yahweh never commissioned Shemaiah to speak for Him, therefore Shemaiah was to receive God’s punishment.
3. 2 Timothy 4:14–18
:14 – ALEXANDER THE COPPERSMITH did me – Paul – much harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds.
15 Be on guard against him yourself, for he vigorously opposed our teaching.
just wonder, thank you for this beautifull research.
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candle holder, are you creative? Or just flabber-casted about what you read?
Since the Word of God will JUDGE us, let us see what the JUDGEMENT is for people guilty of sex-sins, who pretends to be godly.
The Sin and Doom of Ungodly People
3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you.
They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality (sex sins) and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions, but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah (sex sins) and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies (sex sins), reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings.
11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.
12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.
14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them:
“See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to JUDGE everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts
they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.
Oh, ooooohhhhhhhhh…………., what is happening to Candle Holder?
Is he/she sinking in a sea of slimy bubbles?
Or is it air bubbles over the mind?
Did the Truth of God’s Word snuff out the candle??
Shame, when the true bible shone in his/her face, he/she freaked out?!?!
Let us also pray for him/her………………..
Maybe, just maybe he/she will come out of the trance………ha, ha.
Hi Just Wonder,
It is the logo Kilroy was here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilroy_was_here. 😉
No worries, Candle Holder as Candle Holder is he keeps floating somewhere between heaven and earth.
Candle Holder was here
Mishpatim – משפטים : “Judgments” – Exodus 21:1-24:18, 2 Kings 11:17-12:17, Luke 7:1-8:3
The Bible contains laws about murder, abuse, murdering one’s parents, slavery, bestiality, incest, and a host of disagreeable things. How can this be a holy, Godly revelation of the Infinite Light? The Apostle Paul explained, “All things become visible when they are exposed by the light” (Ephesians 5:13).
The Bible contains both laws and revelations. It provides a rule of conduct, but at the same time, it expresses God in human terms. The Bible was not given to angels.” Instead, God gave the Bible to flawed and sinful human beings. The Law of God speaks directly into human society with all of its wrinkles and it speaks in the language of the flawed and imperfect in order to infuse godliness into the world.
The Bible descended from a very high place (God) to a very low place (man), yet it has still retained its Godly essence. That Godly essence might be wrapped in garments of human concern (such as the laws of slavery or compensation for negligence), but if one takes the trouble to unwrap the commandments, it will blaze forth in his hands with the brilliance of heaven.
Paul tells Timothy that the Bible is good if one uses it “lawfully,” that is in the administration of justice:
But we know that the Word of God is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that it is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching – 1 Timothy 1:8–10.
Even the smallest commandment of the Bible is suffused with godliness. To declare a commandment irrelevant or obsolete denies the eternal and unchanging nature of God – the Law Giver.
We should mirror or judge our lives in the light of God’s Loving Laws.
Picture of Jesus our Advocate/Lawyer interceding for us in front of the throne of our Father God –
THE JUDGE OF JUDGES
Would you be so kind to comment this article.
The Man in the Synagogue – Could this be the Christ?
The Man in the Synagogue – Could this be the Christ?
There is only one answer to that question and that is
The Christian belief is that Jesus is the Christ.
Jesus is the son of God, part of the trinity
Jesus became a man and was crucified
and Jesus, The Christ rose from the dead.
so that means that The Man in the Synagogue cannot be the Christ.
Jesus is the Christ.
Thank you Madelaine. Matt 16:15-20, Mark 8:29, Luke 9:20
Well done Candle holder for speaking up against this blasphemous article in the comments. If you don’t think TB Joshua would agree with the article, why do you think he allows them to go on posting it? We know that the person responsible for these sites is closely linked to SCOAN London, and SCOAN London have previously arranged for articles to be removed from the site when faced with legal challenges (this happened several times, one example is the “Wanted” poster with Giles in his military uniform). TB Joshua could easily arrange for these articles to be removed if he disagreed – why do you think he hasn’t?
I do not know why? I have no evidance that TBJ can remove this article, but TB Joshua is not a Christ for me and he wil never be. For me that specific article is deception.
I really do not know.
Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they tore their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, And saying, Sirs, why do you these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that you should turn from these vanities unto the living God, who made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them:
I like Apostle Paul, he was humble and he cut such pride deception tendency very fast everywhere.
In the SCOAN hotel there are pictures of God’s generals taken from Liardon book. Among them is William Branham and Alexander Dowie that went into belive and called themeself Elijah and it was was wrong. This temptation is always waiting today for big ministries.
I understand why Candle Holder writes this.
He wants you to investigate about the Washington Monument, which is an obelisk. In olden times Pharao’s used to place obelisks for a purpose. Obelisks are phallus symbols. In fact, in Numbers: Their occult power and mystic virtues, we find the lingam (male sex organ) was an upright pillar. All pillars or columns originally had a phallic significance, and were therefore considered sacred.” Pan, the goat god and god of sensuality, was often represented as an obelisk
Leviticus 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy 12:2-3 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.
Leviticus 18:3-4 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 18:30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.
2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
Oh and Candle Holder is basically Soe again. Duh ! Who feels that he is abused by TB Joshua watch and posted it on the internet.
Be warned for the spirit of seduction and tries to let you fall. They are regrouping and are set out to catch you.
Scripture to contemplate concerning this: Jeremiah 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.
Among people who were supposed to be Israelites (Children of God), God found those that he described as wicked men. What did they do? The verse says “they lay wait as he that setteth snares, they set a trap,” but this time they didn’t catch birds or rats. They caught men.
Be alert ! Do not fall for their tricks.
If any of you should understand, how dirty and perverted the stragedies of TB Joshua are, how he mis-use people for it, then you would not even trouble your-self with judgings, you would turn away from this man, and leave it for God. Forgive him for your own sake, and trust God and your own vision. If some God-man casts out demons by others, but is not able to cast-out his own, then every-thing about the man is wrong. amen.
For me everyone must be born again. It means Tb Joshua had to be born again.
Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit: For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. ( Acts 8:14-16)
This verse shows that it is possible be only baptized in water and not to have baptism in the Holy Spirit yet.
“They were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit:”
Proof that Jesus is the Christ/Messiah/Anointed One and NOT tbj:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and
THE WORD WAS GOD – John 1:1,14, 18.
THE WORD BECAME FLESH
and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son,
JESUS CHRIST, WHO IS HIMSELF GOD
and who is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known.
23 Jesus said: “At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ/Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time – Mathew 24:23.
Jesus Christ is the same Yesterday and Today and Forever – Hebrews 13:18
Jesus is God, so we can say that God is the same yesterday and today and forever – right?
In The Heavenly Court Room the Judge of Judges are considering the following:
YESTERDAY- Older Covenant (Old Testament):
GOD’S BLESSINGS FOR OBEDIENCE AND CURSES FOR DISOBEDIENCE.
If you pay attention to these laws and are careful to follow them, then the LORD your God will keep his covenant of love with you, as he swore to your forefathers – Deuteronomy 7:12
If you do not carefully follow all the words of this law, which are written in this book, and do not revere this glorious and awesome name–the LORD your God– the LORD will send fearful plagues on you and your descendants, harsh and prolonged disasters, and severe and lingering illnesses – Deuteronomy 28:59
If you did sin there was the sacrificial system. You repented of your sins and took a lamb to offer to the Lord and its blood covered your sins over.
“‘If he cannot afford a lamb, he is to bring two doves or two young pigeons to the Lord as a penalty for his sin – Lev 5:7
TODAY– Renewed Covenant (New Testament) in Jesus time on earth:
GOD’S BLESSING FOR OBEDIENCE AND CURSES FOR DISOBEDIENCE.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbour as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:37-40).
If we do these two things, we will be fulfilling all that Christ wants for us to do, “This is love for God and to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3).
“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15)
but if you sin
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! – John 1:29
So if we sin and repent, there is the blood of the Lamb Jesus.
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin – 1 John 1:7
ROREVER – the time that we are living in:
GOD’S BLESSING FOR OBEDIENCE AND CURSES FOR DISOBEDIENCE.
The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues or curses still did not repent of their sins, the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood–idols that cannot see or hear or walk. Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts – Revelation 9:20
Nothing impure will ever enter the New Jerusalem, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life – Rev 21:27
but if you repent
No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him – Rev 22:3
Judge yourself and the people you submit yourself to.
Where does tbj fit into Jesus’ shoes?
He sees himself more in the shoes of Muhammad.
He is the latest prophet……….of this world wide fruit cake religion in scoan.
Sorry, i didnt see the comment you left about that other site claiming TB J is the Messiah. I left a bit of a Bible study on the second coming of Jesus, leading to the conclusion that TBJ cant be the Messiah, but I dont think anyone bothered to read it.
In summary though, tthe Bible records in great detail what will happen prior to and during “the Day of the Lord”. Off the top of my head,
– increase in lawlessness, including an event where many Christians will leave the faith. Still needs to happen (the church is still growing, esp in persecuted countries)
-The Jews need to re-establish the Temple rituals and sacrifices – still needs to happen, right now there is no temple.
– an anti-semitic, anti-Christian leader will emerge out of the Middle East, revive a former empire. Israel will sign a treaty but eventually be betrayed and invaded by the surrounding Muslim nations. The leader (antiChrist, in my opinion-Islam, the man being the awaited Imam Mehdi) will set up the “abomination that causes desecration” in this temple (which, remember, doesnt yet exist)
– Jerusalem will be captured, 2/3 of the Jews will be slaughtered, the remainder led away to surrounding nations as slaves. Jerusalem will be occupied for 3 1/2 years/42 months/1260 days (remember Jewish year=360 days, not 365), and when this time is completed, the Messiah will show up, killing lots of people.
If you wantr to understand Revelation, you need to become familiar with the prophets, because almost every Revelation verse comes from the Old Testament. For e.g. if you read Revelation 16:17-21 together with the Ezekiel 38-39 invasion, its the same thing. The feast of the birds and beasts is the same. Gog and the Beast are the same. The great earthquake is the same. In Ezekiel 38:17 God asks “Gog, are YOU not the one all my prophets have been speaking about?” In 39:8, God says that this day is the day that He has been speaking about. 39:7 and 22 say that God will never let his name be blasphemed again, and that Israel will finally know their Lord.
All the prophets except Jonah speak about this Day of the Lord. Zechariah 14 :4 even says where Jesus will “land” when He comes – it will be on the Mount of Olives, which will split in two.
None of these things have yet happened. Although in my opinion things are BEGINNING to happen (Egypt’s oppression by Muhammed Morsi and civil unrest may well be Isaiah 19 being fulfilled, “Egyptian fighting Egyptian”), Turkey’s and Egypt’s rise in the Middle East could very well be the establishment of the King of the North and South mentioned in Daniel.
And although there’s no Temple for the AntiChrist to “set up an abomination”, there are calls in Israel for the re-establishment of such a centralised Temple. According to the Bible, this WILL happen.
But as yet, many things still need to take place before we see the return of our Lord.
Where TB Joshua fits in with this, I dont know. Numbers 24 says that the Messiah will destroy Moab (Jordan/Syria region). How TB Joshua will do this, I dont know.
The writers of that blog are simply far too eager for the second coming (a good thing, so am I :-), but at the same time not reading or understanding what the Bible says about it. And I think the dreaded “Day of the Lord” is the most documented period of time recorded in the Bible, spoken about more than Jesus’ first coming.
glad your thinking about these things 🙂
i do think that it comes from scoan .
1) a friend who recently left told me it is run by a man there (told me by name), and that he has dirct phone line to tbj, and that the
2) when the police phoned scoan about htat website about me, it was removed within the hour.
thats why i think they are lying. they can remove it if they want
All youths that believe in the ministry of Prophet TBJ like to consider themselves as the children of the man of God. So, I pity you when you accused a man of God of being a fornicator cause the path you have chosen would only lead to your undoing. Papa TBJ we say God bless you.
“But call no one Rabbi, for One is your master, even Christ, and all of you are brothers
And call no man your father upon the earth, for One is your Father, which is in heaven,
Neither call yourself masters, for One is your master, even Christ.”
You should not be calling TBJ your “Papa”. its a direct violation to what Jesus said.
Love TB Joshua, listen to his teaching, but do not relay on him as he loves everybody but does not trust anyone. Relay only on Jesus Christ and on your Father in Heaven.
“Abba” means Papa and we call our Father in Heaven Papa. Do not call TB Joshua Papa if you are not his adopted child. JB Joshua knows that if you call him Papa you are unmature Christian.
Candle Holder, I’m glad to hear you also have issues with this….though you should know that TB J does not have issues with people calling him Papa/Baba/”Our Father in the Lord”, etc. Disciples call him “Daddy”.
If you dont believe me, watch the older SCOAN videos where the disciple’s have a bit of a discussion among themselves about a mircale healing that occurs on the video. They always introduce themselves as:
“My name is sister —–, and I am an evangelist in training, under our father in the Lord, Prophet TB Joshua”
What do you think Giles about this verse?
For though you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have you not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
( 1 Corinthaint 4:15)
If TB Joshua was not a instrument by whom I a was born again, there is no need to call TB Joshua father or Papa. If orphans in SCOAN where adopted by TB Joshua they can call him a father, but in the Spirit there is only one Father, Father of our Saviour Jesus Christ.
Minister michael.pray for tbj. I thank the lord jesus for the wonderful work tbj is doing in the way of giving to the widows,orphants but there is a lot of darks in his ministry no baptism,no holly comunion no marriage.in scoan people worship tbj,”anointed water,stickers,wise men.that is the terrible danger in that church.no much about our lord jesus
If TB Joshua would have elders that are equal to him in Scoan as it was the practice in early church things will look different. Do not worship TB Joshua, honor him as a person but worship only Jesus Christ,
Some time i wonder about these mega churchs like scoan and others.they declare that the holly spirit dwell with them.fine. But women in these churchs put on make up like horlot,they do not cuver their heads,they put on paints/trusers,weavons,extensions ,die their hair,ear rings,change the color of their skin,plant the hair mini skurts,men with segond wives….,,…imao.by their fruits you shall know them. Repent
Candle holder (ref 1 Cor 4:15)
I should mention that according to SCOAN, you are not born again. This is another topic, and another thing I objected to when I was a disciple, but he says only those who are baptised in the Spirit are born again…and then goes on to say that if you are baptised in the Spirit, you would be doing the things he is doing, and would not “be under anybody, but only Holy Spirit teaches you (1 John 2:27)”. You would probably disagree with this. I do as well, but this really is what he teaches.
With regards to 1 Cor verse, good point. I checked it out on the Dakes Commentary, it says ‘Though you have many who offer their services as instructors,you have only one by whom you were converted and has a paternal feeling toward you’.
I think this seems a fair comment on the verse, and understand the paternal feeling of a leader over those he leads to Jesus and tries to disciple. I would go so far as that, but I think that actually calling such a person “Papa/Baba/Daddy” would be stepping over the line that Jesus clearly drew.
In real terms, I suppose could think of my pastor in a way as my spiritual father, like a shepherd and sheep – in the way Paul mentioned…..but I would never ever actually call him “Father”, or “Papa”, or “Daddy”.
Candleholder, btw if you have any more questions for me, you should put them at the bottom, cos im more likely to see them down here than scrolling through 50+ comments 🙂
À question for you, by now you and I know that quite a few doctrines that is being taught by TB Joshua is not right. If you know this, then even if you see him as an “instructor” you still should not call him father/papa/daddy.
What is the evidence that someone baptised in the Holy Spirit ? I believe there is an initial “in filling” like filling the bottom of a glass with water, which every believer receives when they start to confess Roman 10:9, then there is the filling to the brim in which the brimming over takes place. Full glass with water and flooding over.
2 Corinthians 5:17-18
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;…..
This can happen by the laying on of hands, by confession, by passing on a mantle of the Spirit, but also by asking for it to Jesus. There are two that are, baptism in Spirit and by Fire.
Next, one must know that 1 John 2:27 is applicable after you are been baptised in the Spirit and/or by Fire. For God is a consuming fire. Destruction of former sins as well purging to the new man. Hebrews 12:28-29
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming fire.
I could agree that your Teacher is now the Holy Spirit, except if one starts to contradict the Scriptures. The Logos is not separate from the Rhema.
A question is why TB Joshua refuses to preach the baptism in the Holy Spirit and what the advantages are for the believer. I guess in this way he can keep telling stories to people who want to listen to him, including useless football match “prufesies”. Because people who are not baptised in the Holy Spirit love to hear stories from others instead of working with the Holy Spirit to understand His salvation plan that He is been instructed by the Father to execute on earth.
Therefore an example of heresy regarding TB Joshua, “deliverance” is not salvation of your soul. It can be used for salvation, but you yourself need to work out your salvation with fear and in trembling concerning God. This is a work that takes the rest of your life until you die. There is no once saved, always saved. 😉
Examples of not once saved always saved in Scriptures:
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God
1Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.
Which is likely be the case with TB Joshua and the wisemen and their preposterous deliverances that are crazy and their conviction to blame everything on the Devil. Instead of teaching people to be responsible for their foolish choices that is root of their demise.
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
1John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
2Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Do not be deceived Giles by Candle Holder who tells you here that he is born again because of TB Joshua. One only is born again, when you confess public ally that Jesus is your Saviour and you receive the initial in filling of the Holy Ghost, which is usually done when you want yourself be baptised in water and then by your elders laid hand on. There are some exceptions on that, but Candle Holder is not one of them. He still cannot see spiritually that TB Joshua and the wisemen are false prophets and false teachers that refuse to lead their parishioners in the baptism of water and the Holy Spirit.
Please let’s not get into a “once saved, always saved” debate here. There are faithful Christians on both sides of the debate, each being able to backup their points of view with scriptures.
My point was that TBJ and wisemen do not want to baptise people in the Holy Spirit and want them to be dependent upon them instead of the Holy Spirit.
Is that not worse ? Chaining them to themselves instead of to be able to grow in the relationship with God through His Spirit…… How will you know if you are saved if you have not received the Holy Spirit ? Is there a salvation without being in filled with the Holy Spirit ? You cannot be a functional Christian or even understand the Bible if you are not. Without the Holy Spirit the Bible becomes an argument for Theology debates of how many angles fit on a pinhead for example.
TBJ and wisemen can never have an excuse of not leading people into the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And spraying them with alleged so called “anointed” water is not one of them.
I was mainly also referring to this Scripture,
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Which shows how essential it is to be baptised in the Holy Spirit. (God working in you). It means that the believer can work out his/her salvation without an instructor/daddy/pappa independently from them. Because instructors/daddies/papas can be severely deceived with their teachings and lead them away with doctrines of devils and demons thinking that they tell the truth, which most of the times is not the case. Especially when it comes to TBJ and wisemen who think for example they are infallible. You know there is a teaching that TBJ does like that and he does not public ally repent from that. Which means he has to admit he is a sinner and is wrong.
That is what I am saying.
Giles knows what to think about me. But I see that you like to accuse people.
Candleholder, I’m glad to hear that. I agree with this. But TB Joshua does not teach this. Simply put, he teaches that baptism of the Spirit is the same as being “born again”, but that only he is baptised in the Spirit. No one else.
In another teaching, he says, “baptism of the spirit is coextensive (equal) with salvation”.
only he is born again. This caused a lot of concern for the disciples at the late night meetings. I remember panicking when he taught this.
Obviously I cant prove any of this, and disciples will definately deny it, but if you ever join them and get to know them, a lot of them are not sure of salvation because of this teaching.
@ Candle Holder,
Yes, everyone needs to be born again. But if you are not baptised in the Holy Spirit, you are not capable of being an effective Christian at all. It’s like a lamp without the electricity to try to give light.
As far as I know the excuse is, they TB Joshua and Wisemen are waiting for instruction before people can be baptised in the Spirit.
Depriving the “born again” believers from the essential part of their Christian life and walk ????
So, they rather want to take the place of the Holy Spirit from the believer as their personal instructor instead of “filling” or “praying ” with them to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
1 John 2:27-29
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you:but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
So it is clear in their actions that they stand in place of the Holy Spirit and replace the Holy Spirit with their teachings and so called “deliverances” to put up a show with powers that are questionable from what source they are.
What is clear to me then, is that it evolves around them instead of Jesus and the Holy Spirit with telling them (the believers) endless stories, prufesies and antics instead of baptising them in the Holy Spirit so they can grow by themselves in the relationship with God.
What excuse one has to deprive a believer of the baptism of the Holy Spirit ?
Only a organisation that wants to be in the limelight and create notoriety for themselves instead if doing so……
@ TB Joshua watch,
You do not have to post this.
There is one thing that I really have and must say.
The fact that first rank disciples and evangelists in SCOAN have roamed the world “delivering” people with stickers and “anointing” water has made me super angry. (I have not sinned in that)
How can you justify in my or anyone’s face that a disciple or evangelist who have been there for more than 10 years and have got away with the fact that all of them had demons inside of them ???? How ?
Tell me one reason why ? If the Holy Spirit was there, there is no way anyone would have got away with that. In all the time of interaction with TBJ it was not uncovered or discovered.
This proves for me it was and is all a farce with all these years “proving” they were out of God. As far as I can see it now, it is only convenient now for them to put up a lame show with fake deliverances with disciples and evangelists cooperating in it agreeably.
I am aware you have not posted some of my posts about that, maybe because you want to protect their identity with that as much, and I understand that. But it has made me super angry about the fact that those involved in it are willingly contributing to it in a bid to save the ministry and let other people look silly pretending they need deliverance too.
I cannot understand that nobody sees it that way and people are just swallowing it. It could mean that they are so deceived that they just believe the lies as in II Thessalonians 2.
@ TB Joshua watch,
I am waiting for the claim to fame of TB Joshua how he prevented the death of the girlfriend of Oscar Pistorius……..
Maybe you as desciples did not understand what TB Joshua wanted to say.
I noticed that TB Joshua used to pray in such words in order people to get saved:
“Lord Jesus I am sinner, enter into my heart, wash me with your precious blood”
So what for is this prayer according TB Joshua ?
Candleholder, no all the disciples were not wrong about what he wanted to say. The private disciple meetings are different than what he says in the sermon.
I’d actually like to encourage you to go as a disciple. Pro-scoan people only see what they want you to see. Its only as a disciple that you can see what happens behind the cameras. YOu should ask to go there for e.g. six months or a year.
I do not have my accusations about SCOAN for no reason.
Giles, I have been twice to SCOAN for seven days. I belive Jesus will do by His Spirit what He wants me to be. I do not rely on TB Joshua I rely on Jesus. I am taking from SCOAN what is good. I know SCOAN teaching and SCOAN alone is not my world.
What you would say if demon says that TB Joshua is God or Christ ? Would you belive him or the Bible.
Demon is a liar.. We rely only od God’s words. I would not seek confirmation, proof, evidence, approval from demons, because they are liars.
And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him. ( Mark 1:34 )
Jesus cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him. I do not know why in SCOAN they allow demon to speak so much ? Did Jesus do this ?
Cause they are not demons. They are just humans that speak there. No demon has such human vocabulary. All of them are English speaking only coincidentally, lol. You don’t hear them speaking German, Chinese or Yuroba and Eskimo.
Like, translator requested aisle five please. Lol.
I’d like to post something here for the benefit of those who are still trapped at SCOAN. It’s titled, THEY TOLD ME IF I LEFT….. and speaks for itself:
Mr Terrific, this article is the right kind of dis-cribing what is happening in scoan.
God – The Judge of Judges’ Throne-
Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm – Rev 11:19.
They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” – Hebr 8:5.
Ark of the Covenant – God’s Throne – by Ronn Wyatt Part 1 of 27.
On another blog watch TB Joshua, Soe wants me to belive that TB Joshua is a Messiah.
It really scared me a lot. I can not understand why they begin to worship a man insted of Lord Jesus Christ ? They belive that TB Joshua is an angel hidden in human form, hidden behind his marriage. From where are those people. Does TB Joshua belive that he is a messiah or angel as well ? When you where a desciple did you hear in SCOAN such belives ?
Soe is as much deluded as I was many years ago when I was an ignorant fool at SCOAN. I pray for him and all those deluded folks at SCOAN that the Lord may open their understanding and save them from the Synagogue of Satan, called SCOAN.
Candle Holder, about your above question of TB Joshua’ “Messiah-ship”.
No, I have not hear him say he is the Messiah. However, I have:
Seen people bow in front of him – disciples in the office had to get on their knees in front of his desk when they spoke to him
Heard people singing songs about him, actually to him. I was very uncomfortable with this, but said nothing. I noted that he did not ask them to stop singing. This was a regular occurance.
Heard at least one man claim that (this is strange), TB Joshua taught him to play the guitar in his dream – before TBJoshua was even born (this guy was an old man). Again, I kept my mouth shut.
TB Joshua claims that his birth was ‘prophecied’ about 200 years ago by some…guy. You might be able to see this on that other website. I can testify that on one of TBJ’s birthday’s they cancelled a little play at the last moment. The play would have told the story of this prophecy, for Emmanuel TV, and was part of the day’s celebrations. It was cancelled becaue they thought it would be tooo controversial.
Disciples do keep referring to this ‘revelation about Daddy’. “once you have received revelation about who Daddy is”, etc….I never knew what exactly this ‘revelation’ was supposed to specifically be. Each time I gave away that i didnt know what they were talking about, the conversation would abruptly change.
SCOAN used to show a deliverance video where the demon called TB Joshua ‘the junior brother to Jesus’. They played this for years, making sure that visitors heard that comment. I dont know if they still show this.
The biggest indication I think suspicious is this. That other website is controlled by SCOAN. Like I mentioned before, whent the UK police ordered them to take it down, it came down within the hour, despte claims they have nothing to do with it. Also, a friend of mine who left a few months ago told me the name of the man who is behind it. Im not sure i’d be allowed to name names (moderator?), but he told her he has a direct phone-line to “Daddy”. Apparently the scoan uk disciples call him “Dadd’ys boy” or something like that because of his direct access to TBJ.
Obviously I cant prove this or make you believe. I believe it , because she is an old friend of mine. The question arises, why they would allow a member of SCOAN UK to believe such things without correcting this view, let alone allow him to promote it.
Hope this has answered your question?
Candle holder: As you can see, there are several credible and worrying accounts given by Giles above. You should also take into account the evidence we have presented in this article: https://tbjoshuawatch.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/tb-joshua-the-messiah-is-it-scoan-behind-these-claims/
When you consider all of this, alongside the outright blasphemy on Watch TB Joshua (which we too have good evidence may come from TBJ himself), the fact that TB Joshua doesn’t address this issue in the strongest of terms is as good as endorsing it. He doesn’t need to make the claims himself, he just lets others do it for him and says nothing.
Thanks Giles for your long answer,
It seems that TB Joshua.has a hidden weakness. He might be looking for aproval including demons or he likes when people admire him. Directly presecution is no good weapon against him. The best way that works in order to shake TB Joshia is to worship him. I understand now why his followers create such deceptive belives abour him like: TB Joshua is and angel in human form or TB Joshua is a messiah or TB Joshua is a Christ.
This word keeps me from this deception. I like character of Apostle Paul:
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.
Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they tore their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, And saying, Sirs, why do you these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that you should turn from these vanities unto the living God, who made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them: ( Acts. 14.11,14-15)
If a prophet allows to kneel down befor him, bow down before him, it starts such deceptive belives like that he should be kind of messiah or he should be kind of god or he should be an angel in human form.
If prophet does not stop his feelows to bow down before him it creates worship attitude insted of only honor attitude. Read this ( Acts. 14.11,14-15) TB Joshua mentioned that Apostle Paul is his mentor ? Why he does not stop people to kneel before him ? Evidence is on films of Emmanuel TV
It s a question towards christian character that is not based on the Bible..
TBJ, like many false prophets, like to be worshipped. He is a man of great deceit, who says one thing and does another thing. I remember him saying he did not want people bowing to him, but the next moment I was called to his office, a deluded disciple was standing at the entrance, asking me to go bow down before him and I did, more out of ignorance than respect. Does anyone understand why I want to expose TBJ as a liar and a false prophet ?
THE HEAVENLY COURT ROOM:
9 “As I looked,
“Thrones were set in place and the Ancient of Days took His seat.
His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool.
His throne was flaming with fire and its wheels were all ablaze.
10 A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before Him.
Thousands upon thousands attended Him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated and the books were opened.
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his Kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
21 As I watched, this horn was waging war against the holy people and defeating them,
22 until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the holy people of the Most High
and the time came when they possessed the Kingdom.
24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. 25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.
26 “‘But the court will sit and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever.
27 Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven will be handed over to the holy people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey Him.’
28 “This is the end of the matter. I, Daniel, was deeply troubled by my thoughts, and my face turned pale, but I kept the matter to myself.”
… Let the LORD Judge the peoples – Psalm 7:8
REPENT BECAUSE JESUS MUST PLEAD YOUR CASE AND YOU MUST CONFESS YOUR SINS SO THAT:
I have sinned against Him; I will bear the LORD’s wrath,
until He pleads my case and upholds my cause (IN THE HEAVENLY COURT ROOM)– Mica 7:9
The Law of God says:
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor – Exodus 20:16
It does not say; “Do not judge…but judge righteously by speaking the truth”.
Be a witness for the truth, a true witness not a false one.
” Do not help a wicked man by being a malicious witness for him” – Exodus 23:1
Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, but those who keep the law resist them – Proverbs 28:4
Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning – 1 Timothy 5:20
who d hell are u to judged,judging others make’s u d fathers of all sinner.ur only judging tbjoshua bes u want to be him,u wished to be him,u evil thing,.may u wake up before is too late on u.
There goes another pitiful soul !
To strengthen your case against this false prophet TB Joshua here’s a good article:
and a free e-book against the Judge not heresy:
and to learn about the strange history of the cults his heresies come from:
17 Reasons Why I Left the Tongues Movement
Is Healing in the Atonement?