This post is a continuation of the series looking at the 8 marks of an abusive church from an article written by Pat Zukeran in the previous posts.
Another mark of an abusive church is the manipulation of members. Zukeran states that:
“Abusive churches are characterized by the manipulation of their members. Manipulation is the use of external forces to get others to do what someone else wants them to do. Here manipulation is used to get people to submit to the leadership of the church. The tactics of manipulation include the use of guilt, peer pressure, intimidation, and threats of divine judgment from God for disobedience. Often harsh discipline is carried out publicly to promote ridicule and humiliation.
Another tactic is the “shepherding” philosophy. As practiced in many abusive churches this philosophy requires every member to be personally accountable to another more experienced person. To this person, one must reveal all personal thoughts, feelings, and discuss future decisions. This personal information, is not used to help the member, but to control the member.
Another means of control is isolation. Abusive churches may cut off contact between a new member and his family, friends, and anyone else not associated with the church.”
Recently in the comments someone spoke of a friend who has become involved with SCOAN. They said “[if] he has a problem he runs to the prophet, he meets a girl he loves he runs to the prophet to endorse the relationship”. The life becomes controlled by the “prophet”. Several disciples have told very similar stories, including Beth and Giles. The control is so strong that people have lost their lives following TB Joshua’s deadly advice to stop taking their medication.
Harsh discipline is common at SCOAN. Ex disciple Gareth describes the kind of routine punishment meted out on disciples for upsetting the “man of God”.
The kind of trouble I experienced is referred to by disciples as “Adabba”. When this happens you are not allowed to eat, sleep, enter the dormitory or shower. You are not allowed to talk to anyone and no one is allowed to talk to you. TBJ usually shouts at you (sometimes slaps you) and you have to mope around his office until you are “forgiven”. Disciples is this situation feel terrible, you feel like you have let down not only man, but God. As a disciple you see TBJ as the link between you and God – failing him is failing God.
Another ex-disciple Beth had a similar experience, one that left her suffering from malaria.
If he was disobeyed, meals or access to the dormitory were restricted and TB Joshua had to grant permission for these to be returned. I was once forbidden to return to the ladies dorm one night because I had not stopped a door from slamming, which meant I spent the night on wooden benches in the church at the mercy of the mosquitoes.
As sickening as Beth and Gareth’s experiences are, this was mild punishment, typically reserved for western disciples. The punishment inflicted on Nigerian Brother Nosa could only be described as torture.
Disciples at SCOAN are completely cut off from the outside world. As Beth put it “Contact with my family and friends was totally forbidden without written permission from [TB Joshua]. Any desire to make contact was taken to be an indication that you wanted to return to your old life.” We are in contact with many people who have lost sons, daughters, brothers, parents and spouses to SCOAN. Whatever religion it is they preach, it has destroyed many formally happy families.
There is so much material on this site that demonstrates SCOAN’s manipulation of members, but if we mentioned it all this article would never be finished. If you’re still not convinced, read through all the disciple testimonies.
For now, we finish with a final quote from Zukeran.
How different this style of leadership is from the leadership of Jesus, the Good Shepherd who lovingly, gently, humbly, and sacrificially leads His sheep.”
TB Joshua Watch 
All that you have observed in this article is 100% true! They are typical SCOAN tactics, engineered by that monster and sakawa prophet called T B Joshua. Yes, I saw all these things and decided NEVER to be a devotee. In my very short association as an “insider” of SCOAN, TBJ nearly destroyed my life but God is faithful and AWESOME and has turned the tables around.TBJoshua is not a prophet of God, he never was and never will be, but is a prophet of Satan himself. He suffers from messiah complex and claims to be messiah like all the other false messiahs who have come and gone and are now forgotten.
but if he is from Satan how does he manage to deliver Satanists?u must be kidding boy,we see him delivering powerful witch doctors that have the satanism powers,or is that fiction that we see?
Don’t be deceived! 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10; Revelations 13:13-14.
@ Mist
I enjoy your support for the “prophet” TB Joshua, it shows that you stand by what you at least know, and I respect that, because when you finally get to know the raw deep truth, like I did, you will never be deceived again. Besides, your contribution and those like yours add color to TBJW.
You have to remember that Jesus said that many will come doing many wonderful works in his name, even casting out evil spirits and prophesying in his name, but it does not show that he knows them. A false prophet can cast out an evil spirit from a so called “satanist”, “occultist” or “witch”, but Jesus Christ does not know him as his servant.
As is written as follows:
“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:22-23
What does Jesus Christ mean by this insight in Matthew 7:22-23? It means that their casting out demons in Jesus’ name could be real, their prophesying in Jesus Name could be true and come to past as part of the “process”, but Jesus does not recognize them as part of his flock. Although I doubt the case of TBJ, because his prophecies are randomly true like a witchdoctor’s, or an esoteric individual’s, and not true all the time as it would be if the Almighty God was behind it.
What do I mean here by the “process”: Process here means a fact, a method of “doing” that will always be true as, in 1 + 1 is for always equals 2, litmus paper dipped in acid will always make the paper to turn red unless it is an alkaline, which turns it blue.
Therefore, whosoever uses the “NAME” and has the faith behind it, and knows that the “NAME” is for real, the “Name” will always do what it is called to do, because of the power God Almighty has deposited behind the “NAME”, i.e. the “oomf” behind the NAME. It is a mystery.
It is like a cheating employment or contract seeker who wields the names of President Obama or President Putin or Queen Elizabeth, or some important personality’s name around to get business contract or employment pretending like they are his first cousins to garner favour, but in actually fact, the “important” person do not even know him or ever met him!
Likewise, false prophets and pastors, or the fashionable one these days, “apostles”, who use the NAME of Jesus Christ, and who, as a result of intense mystical training, have come to understand spiritually how it works, will always succeed everytime they use it, but it does not mean that Jesus Christ the owner of the NAME knows them.
That’s a great example, thanks!
You claim to be a part of his joins, but through your mouth actions, aparently, you are against his hand, one part of his joins, why ?
Read the scripture regarding the christ jesus, and all his disciples and apostles you will find there is nothing indicating them invited anybody who was already in the field particularly, the rabbies, pastors, bishops, prophets . Why tb joshua must invite you and recognize you ?
Don’t you remember thatTb joshua is guided by the holy spirit, he doesn’t do his own will, agree ?
Mr terrific, thats sad, so how did U know that tbj wasn’t from god,but Satan,? And how long did U stay at scoan? Its really sad, god help us,
It’s so very sad, but the Word of God is truth, and when you know the truth, you shall be free indeed. Anyone who claims to be messiah is definitely not of God, for there’s only one Messiah, Jesus. Anyone who puts himself in the place of the Messiah is an antiChrist and many of them are in the world today, including, Temitope Balogun Joshua. 1 John 2:18.
Christianity we all admit is much corrupted today.
Emphasis has switched from believing in Christ to believing in Pastors and Prophets. The words of Pastors and Prophets carry more weight than
even Christ. The latest vogue is some Christians referring to mortal Pastors and Prophets as their spiritual fathers which is a clear violation of what
Jesus said at Mathew 23: 9 (And don’t address anyone here on earth as ‘Father,’ for only God in heaven is your spiritual Father.) The issue of
mistrust of Religious leaders today has eaten so deep that it has become an anathema to mount any defense of the few good ones among them.
Any article in defense of some Prophets and Pastors is heavily ridiculed. This is the third religious article I am writing and I am sure
reactions to it will not be entirely different from the earlier two I wrote concerning this same Senior Prophet of the Synagogue Church of All Nations.
For starters, I am NOT a member of the SCOAN. I have never met Prophet T.B Joshua before. I have visited their Church in Accra just once to collect
the Holy Anointed Water he sent me. There has never been any direct communication between Prophet T.B Joshua and myself. I even doubt if he
has the time to pay attention to my articles. I write these articles in clear conviction and belief that Prophet T.B Joshua is a true Man of God. I have researched on all the qualities of a true prophet of God and am happy the Man of God meets them all. The question is:
Who is a true prophet of God?
Let us look at some qualities and we will decide whether Prophet T.B Joshua meets those qualities or not.
The qualities of an overseer, Pastor or every religious leader is set forth at 1st Timothy 3:2
which states (A minister then must be a man of irreproachable character, true to his one wife,
temperate, sober-minded, well-behaved,hospitable to strangers, and with a gift for teaching;) Now let us consider these verses one
after the other.
Irreproachable Character: An irreproachable
Character is defined as being blameless, perfect
or above reproach. This mostly describes the
conduct of a Minister who should have a fine
testimony from even unbelievers. It is an undeniably fact that Prophet T.B. Joshua meets
this quality and even exceeds it. Many people may not agree because of the baseless criticism
that is hurled his way. But it is a fact that those
who criticize him mostly do so out of a
disagreement with the way he goes about his
Ministry, out of jealousy or simply plain ignorance!
In Ghana, most of his critics are members of the
opposition N.P.P who were uncomfortably with his
close association with former president Mills. Their
criticism of him is more political than anything
that has to do with his conduct. Prophet T.B
Joshua has never been involved in any conduct
that has shamed the body of Christ or
embarrassed his Church. He is truly
irreproachable!
True to his wife: Some bible translations render it
as ‘A Husband of one wife’. We all know that
Prophet T.B Joshua has never been involved in
any adulterous scandal since he began his
ministry. In Ghana, some disgraceful Pastors have
been involved in adulterous relationships that has
disgraced and embarrassed Christianity. We all
read how the second in command of the
Methodist Church raped a colleague Pastor’s
daughter and ran off to the U.S. We also read
how a Kumasi based Pastor had an adulterous
relationship with a married woman in his church
and similar stories that are deeply reprehensible.
Prophet T.B Joshua has been true to his wife and
has never been caught in any adulterous
relationship. That is a true man of God!
Temperate, Sober minded, well behaved: This
represents restraint even when angry or
attacked. It is undeniable that no Pastor or
Church leader has been attacked more than
Prophet T.B Joshua. What is remarkable is his
reticence to reply to these unprovoked attacks in
similar measure. Even when he has to respond to
these attacks, it has always been in the context of
what the bible says. He has never been known to
attack other Pastors, condemn other churches or
involved in fiery speeches. He has always
exercised self-control in his conduct. The behavior
of him has always been well admired. Not given to
fits of anger or rowdy conduct. He has gained the
respect of political leaders and even non-believers
because of his peaceable nature. He therefore
qualifies as a Minister of God!
Hospitable to strangers: This is one of his
strongest qualities as a Minister of God. Being
generous or good to strangers forms the
cornerstone of Yahweh’s worship. At James 1: 27,
a true religion is defined as (Religion that God our
Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to
look after orphans and widows in their distress
and to keep oneself from being polluted by the
world.). To look after Orphans and Widows in their
distress is the purest form of religion. In Ghana,
majority of Pastors dwell on tithe giving and
actually threaten their church members who
don’t pay. Christian leaders mostly interpreted
the act of giving to mean church members giving
bountifully to the pastors but not vice versa. So
we have Church Pastors and Prophets fleecing the
flock in the name of giving but will never lift a
finger to help the poor in their midst. Has Prophet
T.B Joshua fulfilled this cardinal requirement of
being a Minister of God? Bountifully!!!
1. The SCOAN is the only church in the world that
has a bus solely dedicated to transporting the
aged from their homes to the church and back
without any charge
“I have come in My Fathers Name, and you do not receive Me. How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and not seek the honor that comes from the only God?”. Manipulation and authoric churches:. http://oldrestministriesinfo.blogspot.nl/
Wonders of scoan is immensely
@Lotanna,
You mean immensely fabricated and staged for promoting their financial and being famous agenda ?
as a christian i have my own veiw, the bible says the true men of God, those that have churches and preach will be truly known by their fruits, let us think now if what TB.JOSHUA has done up to now has built much or destroyed much. let us not judge.
My personal experience of TBJoshua is that he has “destroyed much” that is not a judgment is a statement of fact. I face another Christmas knowing that there are members of my family who I now have no relationship with. I miss them and the possibility of relationship with them at the moment has been destroyed because of their involvement with SCOAN.
Madelaine, I’m sorry to hear that but God will restore your joy and peace in due season. As long as Jesus Christ is Lord, judgment will come upon this agent of Satan called T B Joshua. He has destroyed many lives and he will surely pay! Let me just remind you that the mill of God grinds slowly but exceedingly well. I was involved with Tony Alamo in 2005 and he is now getting his reward, even though his atrocities began in the sixties. When I left Alamo ministries, I told Tony judgment will come upon him and today he is ROTTING in jail, and will surely ROAST in hell, unless he repents. In the same way, TBJ’s judgment is coming and has come. Be still and know that He is the Lord!
A basic litmus test of a false apostle, prophet or pastor is one whose one of many sinister agendas is to preserve himself, make a name for himself and expand his own little “kingdom” here on earth. They are usually not humble at all, their little pretense of humility, is a farce.
They use the secret they know about the “NAME” of Jesus Christ and the power to prophesy, heal and cast out devils in the “Blessed” NAME to:
1.) Accumulate wealth for themselves.
2.) Create a legacy for their posterity.
3.) Acquire fleet of cars, and in the case of TBJ, speed boats, and others pastor like him, private jets.
4.) Landed property.
5.) “Oh Yes” servants aka “church” workers, associate pastors, “wisemen”, “sages”, “evangelist” around them – who never step out into the streets to evangelize people, some have never seen city lights in years like those enclosed in TBJ’s SCOAN.
6.) Build large edifices called “church or center or ministry” that only stands to promote their ego, but in no way glorifies God.
7.) Increase their power and control over the lives of people.
They love people to call them “Daddy”, “Daddy in the Lord”, “Papa”, “Our Father in Lord”, “Apostle”, “Prophet” “Great Man of God”, “Sir”, “Yes my lord” and other such silly egocentric titles.
All this, contrary to the Word of the Lord Jesus in Matthew 23:8-10: “But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.…”
They care little or nothing for the souls of men, or winning souls for the Kingdom of God, although initially they pretend like they do, to acquire members.
I was in one of these churches the other day, and at the end of their service they all chorused the following mantra that went like so:
“I WAS BORN TO BE RICH. IF THERE IS A MAN TO PRAY, THERE IS A GOD TO ANSWER!”
(I learnt they say this at the close of every service, and I was like WHAT. You must be kidding me!)
It is not a bad thing to seek to be well-off in life, and have “blessings and breakthroughs”, but if it is your main reason for serving God… you are a loser!
“For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and lose his soul? “For what will a man give in exchange for his soul?…Mark 8: 36
@Angelica,
+1
The fact that TB Joshua uses mind-controle-technics, is a mystery to me. A born-again chrisitan does not needs them, he is living by the heart and by the knowing and revelation from the heart and by the direction of the Spirit. Maybe so many confusions and wrongs happen in scoan, because tbt Joshua is not born-again at all? A born-again person will almost authomatically do what God and the bible says. There is no room in a born-again to twist and manipulate the word for own benefit.
OK – Now let me see.
Let me draw a comparison between the Prophet Elisha and ‘prophet’ TB Joshua,
If you read the story of the Shunammite woman and the Prophet Elisha. You will note that
1. The Shunammite woman helped Elisha, so he wanted to do something back for her. He prayed to God and He gave her a son, because her husband was old. TB Joshua on the other hand drops the woman who helps him, after his use for them are up.
2. Elisha prayed for a son to help this woman and when the son died he raised him from the dead and gave him back to her, while TB Joshua will take your son, steal your children,, use and abuse them until their physical body gives in and then discards them and sends them back home (Note he cannot pray for their healing)?
Here is the story of how a real man of God Acts. I have just quoted a piece. Read the whole story for yourself and compare tbj with a true Bible Prophet.
………………11 One day when Elisha came, he went up to his room and lay down there. 12 He said to his servant Gehazi, “Call the Shunammite.” So he called her, and she stood before him. 13 Elisha said to him, “Tell her, ‘You have gone to all this trouble for us. Now what can be done for you? Can we speak on your behalf to the king or the commander of the army?’”………………..
She replied, “I have a home among my own people.”
14 “What can be done for her?” Elisha asked.
Gehazi said, “She has no son, and her husband is old.”
15 Then Elisha said, “Call her.” So he called her, and she stood in the doorway. 16 “About this time next year,” Elisha said, “you will hold a son in your arms.”
…………….32 When Elisha reached the house, there was the boy lying dead on his couch. 33 He went in, shut the door on the two of them and prayed to the LORD. 34 Then he got on the bed and lay on the boy, mouth to mouth, eyes to eyes, hands to hands. As he stretched himself out on him, the boy’s body grew warm. 35 Elisha turned away and walked back and forth in the room and then got on the bed and stretched out on him once more. The boy sneezed seven times and opened his eyes……………..2 Kings 4:8-37
TB Joshua act totally opposite to this?
Note to readers, if you think Just Wonders’ allegations above are far fetched, read Beth’s story: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3.
Just Wonder, u sound as if Elisha, and not God healed the Shunamite woman. A closer look at the passage would reveal to u that the woman’s faith played a vital part in her son’s healing. TBJ has consistently maintained that he is not the healer but Jesus Christ and that the Holy Spirit does as he wills. Elisha’s first prayer did not bring the boy back to life completely. He paced the room, prayed and stretched yet again over the boy. There was no guarantee even this time, it was just God’s grace that saw the boy sneezing himself back to life. That the man of God TBJ prays 10,000 times for you and you or your person does not get healed does not nullify his prophetic calling or make Jesus a non performer. Stop judging or unfairly comparing people. Is it not this same powerful Elisha that ran for dear life when a mere woman promised to deal with him? Man no matter how endowed by God is still mere man. If TBJOSHUAwatch should metamorphose into a church today would we find the ideal leader there?
Pls to those “supporting the scoan” can u pls ansa these ?s sincerely. 1. Do u know any one who has testified to you about being heal effectually and completely in the scoan. 2. Do you know anyow tbj has delivered a personal prophecy to who has confirmed to you that the prophecy came to past and was 100% correct ? 3. Why dos tbj keep his disciples “locked” up in the scoan.I have personally had a talk wiv one of them who askt me whr I stayed I told her n she sed she has neva heard of that place that she has NEVER been to anywhr in Lagos that she’s always in the church.didn’t see dat as an issue until I hrd disciples don’t leave the church. Hmmmm. Please do not beat around the bush just be strate forward wiv ur ansas.
@All we need to pray against the spirit of DESPERATION and IGNORANCE. Cuz being desperate n ignorant has led some pple to the wrong places and some to their death. Don’t not forget God has given us authority over the beasts of the seas and the birds of the air, he has given us authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and overcome all the power of the enemy. Pls whether a phrophet is false or not judgement is for God buh dat dosnt mean his flaws shud not be pointed out. Ur relationship wiv God is all that matters. Know u hv the holyspirit dwelling inside of you. I pray God wud ope
n our eyes to know Good from evil and Lead all of US to the right part. What shud be on our lips is “JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS, BY HIS STRIPES WE ARE HEAL, JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. AND HE IS AWARE OF OUR SITUATION, RUN TO HIM and he will SURELY ANSWER
Emm, you hit the nail on the head with this post. TBJ preys on people who are desperate. Those who feel that they must have money or power or relationship success in order to live fulfilled and contented lives are vulnerable to his mind games and brainwashing. Those who feel powerless flock to him, wanting the wealth and power he oromises in order to be able to control their life and other’s actions.
Jesus Christ is all we need!
I wonder, where does the word ex-disciples comes from ?
Who can resign from being a savent of god ?
Whatever the reasons could but I have to note this before I resign if possible.
Romans-13 v 1
Paul, the apostle of jesus christ said,
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from god.
In luke 17 v1 jesus said to his disciples ; things that cause people to stumble are bound to come.
ex-disciple ? O’ NO, what is that ?
I mean, could be ex-disciples be those people my bible says, they lives according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires .
Remember, the bible says further, the mind govern by the flesh is hostile to god; because it doesn’t submit to god’s laws.
I refuse to be an ex-disciples, because by so doing I will be an anti-christ. Therefore, I must be careful for them those who are called ex-disciples for they are the woolfs in sheep skin.
Using the name of jesus to destroy the ministry of jesus, how stupid will I be to join them and by so doing, there will be no evalasting life in me, Never!
Unfortunately, you equate believing on tbj with believing on Christ.
nobody has to believe in tbj for salvation. Those who leave his cult are not leaving Jesus.
Please i’m a bit confuse.Is this mail from Synagogue? If not never do it again.Why Using TB Joshua’s name to intoxicate me?you pirates my e- mail in oder to divert me from goods news.Please stop your plot.I’m free to believe in what i see through Emmanuel TV.TB Joshua is the Man of God who taught me without a border,love without interrest. Have you forgotten how difficult it is to forgive the evil that was done to you! He has taucht me .What do you want???what??? Who are you to judge him.Are you God???Do your one and let quiet those who believe in what he does. NB Don’t look at my grammer i’m french speaking Stop foolish
The only way you would get these posts via email is if you clicked the “follow” button after coming to the page on your own. Nobody hacked your email.
Or, possibly, if concerned friend of yours sent you a link to this page by email, hoping you would gain some discernment.
The tragedy of cutting of the disciples from their parents, is against the commandment of the Bible, witch says; ‘honour and respect your father and mother”. The disciples ruiing their own rights for a long live.
Another wrong statement of T B Joshua: he told the congregation sunday, :’that prayers sometimes could not be forfilled, because they did not had “the measure of faith”. They needed 10$ to buy a fruit and they had only 7$. The fact of accepting Christ is; we all receive the full measure of Faith in our Spirit. We only have to learn by good teaching how to use it. To declair that some people have believe, but no measure of Faith is compleetly ridiculous and un-bibly. It is a TB Joshua-false-doctrine-statement. Somehow he loves it to dis-courage people with this sort of teachings, he never tells them how they can get the lacking 3$, so they have full measure. he only states that they have a short-coming, and thats why their prayers are not answered. It is twisted doctrine. TB Joshua believes we have to do it our-self, in state of God who is the provider. Faith-building is compleetly nonsence, when one mustard-seed is enough to move a mountain. He is distracting the given Faith in the people.
You are smart Jamie. You’ve caught one of TB Joshua’s sinister secrets and subtle falsities. Mr. TB Joshua always during his sermons tells his congregation such cacophony to discourage and frustrate their spirit, but he never gives a solution, the way out or the answer to how they can improve or make it right, unless it points back to him. If he ever provides anything like a solution it is something that usually makes them return to his church, become his partner, buy is well packaged “tap water” or turn on their TV sets perpetually to his TV station.
This trick is to keep their souls looking up to him to think he is “superior” and of a greater spiritual make than them. This is to get them yearning for more of the “stuff” he has to give them, keep them enveloped in a diabolical mystery and stronghold so they are never free. He uses this on his “disciples” too, that is why they are in continuous bondage and they memorize his sermons like it is the word of some “deity”. The man is a pure charlatan, the problem is he might not know it. I am beginning to research on the mindset of such people, he probably could also be deceived himself by Satan, or some evil spirit in the form of an angel of light, who gives him powers and probably talks to him to tell him he is some great one. An example was on his birthday this past June, he indirectly told his whole congregation that God told him to tell them to pray for his preservation. The man is suffering from delusions of grandeur.
Another wrong statement; TB Joshua declaired; that we have either a Holy character, or an evil character. There was no midle-way in it. So we are only good, or only bad. This is extreem thinking and un-bibly. We grow in the imprint of Christ in us, and there is a long proces of purification of the sin, bad habbits and wrong thinking-patterns in each of us. God sees us as Saints and Holy, we live by Grace, and we are beloved in His sight. And we have ability to repent. Again, this statement of TB Joshua is a self-created issue of being under the law, with the impossibility of being able to accomplisch such a demand. No-one is Holy yet, only Christ is. TB Joshua needs a lot of humbleness to see the difference between the goal of Holyness and the reality of it. It is a deceiving teaching.
It is unbiblical but it sure feeds the superiority complex, doesn’t it? “TB Joshua is the Man of God. If I follow him, surely I am one of God’s special people. And I cannot be that without having the Only-good character. Therefore, I am better than all the others who aren’t smart enough to follow TB Joshua.”
Shame on you mr/mrs convictor, I wonder who are you in christ jesus, to open your mouth and just push as if you are sitting in the toilet and releasing waste.
Tb joshua, is a man of god and whateve he says is according to god’s will, but I am not astonished to your comments becoz Your job is to revolt against tb joshua it doesn’t matter to you what the bible says, as long it comes out from tb joshua’s mouth.
But let me advice you for your information, james 3v9 says,
With a tangue, we bless our god and fathet, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of god.
Out of the mouth proceed blessings and cursing. My brethren these things ought not to be so.
Praise god !
lol Albert. The very Scripture you used condemns you, with your ugly insults and cursing. Amazing.
No man is perfect. Therefore when you say that *whatever* TBJ says is of God, you lie and rebel against God yourself.
You put your trust in a very shaky “messiah”.
Dear synagogue of satan
Let me tell you something you don’t know while your life is at stake here .
Tb joshua is a disciple of jesus christ indeed, you like it or not.
The bible says in romans 5v11
And if the spirit of him who raised jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised chist from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his spirit who lives in you.
Does this exclude tb joshua ?
Tb joshua will never have the spirit of him who raised jesus from the dead ?
Or you are the only one who can have the holy spirit therefore you have to come out and try to critisize everything and every word from tb joshua because he is taking your business ?
Remeber, you are doing a business by the word of god, and tb joshua is spreading the gospel accordingly, therefore, you will never be like him ever, except you can repent and submit yourselves to god through christ jesus who is residing / dwelling in tb joshua flesh and blood.
Hallelujah !
alfred I am a follower of Christ Jezus. And if I look at TB Joshua through the eyes of Jezus, i would give a teaching about; the farizee and the toller-man, both praying in the church. The farizee would say; “” god-thank I have a Holy character, I am not as that man, with a evil character. And the toller-man would say; Lord, have mercy on me, I am a sinner. amen
Yes, you may be a follower but not a member of the his body, therefore, you would be unable to experience what the joins of that body functions.
Aparently, you walk according to the flesh in the lust of judging who is right or wrong without the holy spirit directing you.
Do you mean,we don’t have the holy spirit to guide us we the people who by faith believe that tb joshua is also a disciple of god who through the power of the holy spirit imparted on him have all the signs which jesus mentioned in mark 15v16 ?
It’s only you and your fellows who does ?
Lastly, did you ever heard at any time from anywhere tb joshua revolted against anybody even if it’s a false prophet.
For me, I never, instead tb joshua do what the holy spirit tells him to do and remember, we know that the holy spirit will never guide people to do evil, never.
Amen !
@ alfredwilly,
What a farcical nonsense you put out there. Go on tell us how you acquired the Holy Spirit and by what means. And Who is the Holy Spirit to you and how do you interact and what does He say to you ? What if it is not the Holy Spirit but a spirit that mimics the Holy Spirit and deceives you. Do you know that Satan has powers too and comes as an angel of light. Even this that are in Satan can preach and were found under many and in many large scale churches and have been uncovered.
Another question is what did you know about the Holy Spirit before ? What knowledge did you have or not have ? What comparison do you have and explain to me in your own words what is was and what it is now ? By whose authority do you assert “this is the Holy Spirit”. How do you discern the Holy Spirit and what He does or not do ? Who is endorsing what And by whom ? How does the Holy Spirit move, when and where and how ? With or without man or personal intervening ? Does the Holy Spirit move at every whim and command of men, singing songs, doing prayers ? Have you ever considered that the Holy Spirit encompasses this entire world and the Universe and is doing what God wants and not what we want most of the time ? That the Holy Spirit is not a dispensing power that you can command at will at all times ? And that He does only what Jesus and His Father wants and that a His ultimate goal is salvation of all mankind, but cannot do this when we choose not to ?
All you do is “Oh look things are happening this is the Holy Spirit” … Yeah ? Really ? Ignorance is bliss, right ? What about those farcical crap deliverances and wacko behaviour you don’t see in the bible and these claims of prophecies that do nothing than coming as Moses mustard after the meal ? And on top of it all these weird and funny stories that have no biblical foundation at all or have anything to do or are connected to Jesus Christ and His Works and that of His Father’s like stampedes, deaths, confusion and ignorance of the followers in SCOAN and beyond.
@ alfredwillie,
Who are you to decide whether we are members of the Body of Christ or not ? Are you for real ? Did you really mean that everybody out there that does not belong to SCOAN are not members of the Body of Christ ? Did not Jesus say, that He had other sheep in other folds and that He was going to get them ? That we are totally lost in translation and have never been anywhere than our computer screen ?
John 10:14-17
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father:and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And OTHER sheep I have, which are not of this fold:them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
“Lastly, did you ever heard at any time from anywhere tb joshua revolted against anybody even if it’s a false prophet.”
Yes, in fact. He can’t even bear to be accountable to the pentecostal fellowship of nigeria and its elders in his own country.
He regularly, loudly, denounces pastors, elders, and preachers as false and demon posessed.
So yes, indeed, we’ve heard of his rebellion.
You claim to be a part of his joins, but through your mouth actions, aparently, you are against his hand, one part of his joins, why ?
Read the scripture regarding the christ jesus and all his disciples and apostles you will find there is nothing indicating they invited anybody who was already in the field particularly, the rabbies, pastors, bishops, prophets . Why tb joshua must invite you and recognize?
Tb joshua is guided by the holy spirit, he doesn’t do his own will, agree ?
You claim to be a part of his joins, but through your mouth actions, aparently, you are against his hand, one part of his joins, why ?
Read the scripture regarding the christ jesus, and all his disciples and apostles you will find there is nothing indicating them invited anybody who was already in the field particularly, the rabbies, pastors, bishops, prophets . Why tb joshua must invite you and recognize you ?
Don’t you remember thatTb joshua is guided by the holy spirit, he doesn’t do his own will, agree ?
alfred, you dont interpretate my message right. Of-caurse I am part of the body of Christ. I have a family of 5 1/2 biljon christians on this earth! It is better for you to see the diverance between judging and discernement. If TB Joshua claims, that there are ONLY Holy characters, or evil characters, then HE is the one who judges on humankind. The saints of Christianity are called Holy, but the reality is; they fight each-other , and there seem to be another-gospel-virus. There is ONE Truth; Jezus Christ. One Gospel; His way, His light, His truth. This one-way is ment to be for all churches, all people, and all preachers and God-men. If a God-man proclaims a teaching that is not Bibly, then we just correct such a man. A man of God can fall out of Grace as a person, but the anoiting stays on the ministery. Thats why god-men can live in sin and still do their godly callings. If they repent, there is no problem, but if they start to create a mess, to hide their wrongs, they start to manipulate, blaming others, twisting the doctrine for their own gains, then something is terrible wrong. If you want to life by such a garbidge-gospel is your free choise.
How hard it is to convince a man who has made up his mind. People just open ur eyes, even the devil himself can give good things. @Alfred can u explain to me y tbj keeps his disciples in the church and why no other pastor
comes to the synagogue to minister? And pls justify it with bible teachings thank you.
It’s like convincing the stone to become bread, or the truth that tb joshua is a holy dwelling place for the lord jesus christ which those who despute it are being called, The anti-christ
And a fact is; When a god-man discerns the root of a problem in a person, say a sickness, then this is NO profhesy, but it is A Word of Knowldege. A profhesy is Always Glorifiing God, because The Holy Spirit is Always Glorifing God, that is His function and duty. . So what is called “profhesies”, in scoan, are only Words of knowledge.
@ Jamie,
That is correct. +1
If they can not discern them both from one another how can they discern the Holy Spirit from another spirit ???? That is how we can disagree with alfredwillie, who desperately tries to convince us that TB Joshua works with the Holy Spirit, while Alfredwillie does not even know how TB Joshua obtained the Holy Spirit including himself. Do you ever hear TB Joshua explain Who the Holy Spirit is from the Scriptures ? No, he does his own stories and people just go by it without checking if it is really the Holy Spirit. Stories like that say when he got “filled” with the Holy Spirit now whatever he says is infallible….. Eh ???? Really ? Now his flesh never make mistakes right ? Umm like stampedes, no answer to certain deaths, no answer who question him, no answer to the farsical tripe deliverance interrogations, no answer when people who who are clearly touched by some “powers” are not healed, delivered, changed, (anyone who gets a touch from Jesus will never be the same, could we at least agree about that one), people that have been sprayed by the loads and still no progress in how desperately they were and are. And so forth. If you have the Holy Spirit everybody will be healed, delivered or changed. Don’t tell me you went to SCOAN without that expectation ? What is the point of going if you don’t believe or go because you want to believe. Yet still those who have been there and tried everything in their might to get healed, delivered, changed still had nothing to go by, even when manifested, what they call Holy Spirit.
Thank you again Jamie, you have a very sharp gift of discernment, God bless you.
Yes, what we see in SCOAN most of the time is “Knowledge” or what is known as “word of knowledge” and not prophecy. However, they do also prophesy, although it randomly comes to pass, which makes to source of such prophecies questionable. God never makes mistakes, to ascribe mistakes in prophecy to God is an insult to he Almighty.
WORD OF KNOWLEDGE (1 Corinthians 12:8): Insights into what has been, the reason for an event or affliction and the circumstances surrounding it, even sometimes the names and characteristics of the people involved, and what can be done to alleviate the affliction, or what the Lord is saying to comfort that affliction or to make the event right.
PROPHECY: This is what is about to happen in the near or distant future. If from God, it usually comforts, warns, instructs, directs or encourages.
But we are benefiting from that and you ? Do you mean you are the only one who knows the will of god?
Do you mean, mr perfect, we are not afraid of god, therefore, we run behind tb joshua instead of him. Big mistake, the reason we agree with tb joshua is the power of the holy spirit in him. We don’t know jesus yet we believe. We don’t know tb joshua, yet we get our miracles.
I am calling to all those who follow you to start to think again.
You are a pharasee, and scribe who will transport them to hell, even before they die, mark my words !
In christ there is freedom which I am one of beneficiaries.
But it still a good time to repent.
TB Joshua we give you a perfect direct to GOD .
Amen.
I love you
alfredwillie
Imagine a mere man TB Joshua calling some people his “disciples”, when Jesus said we should not have any leader among us because Christ himself is our leader.
“But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.…” Matthew 23:8-10
Please, brothers and sisters if you go to any gathering of Christians and a particular man or woman is leading the group (such as how TB Joshua is leading his Synagogue), and everyone regards “this leader” as the holy one, the anointed one or the most spiritual one that hears from God; regardless of how open that “church” might be, GET OUT of it, it is a cult and the HOLY SPIRIT of God is not there. In other words, the master of such a gathering is Satan, the father of pride and “self”, and his fallen angels who are appearing as angels of light. There might by miracles, healings and prophesying but it is counterfeit.
In a true church everyone should be treated equal, there is no “Daddy in the Lord”, “Father in the Lord”, “Master”, even the word “Mentor” is abominable, this should be an elder or bishop. And this is not the bishop that comes out as the “master” with all his regalia over others. In other words, in a true church, there might be elders, but these elders are simply people of more experience, but they will not regard themselves as more holy than the rest, or as the spiritual elite of the group. Therefore, most places of worship we call “churches” these days are counterfeits.
Jesus christ of nazareth through his woods our eyes were opened. In luke 16v16 – 17-18
Go into the world and preach the gospel to every creature, which is you, me and everything else including your pastors, bishops, dogs, chickens and etc.
Ves 16 says, he who believes and is baptized will be saved ; wow, what an opportunity which tb joshua, wiseman and others took it, and didn’t question it.
It further says, but he who does not believe will be condemned, guess who is that ?
Ves 17 says, and these signs will follow those who believe ;
In my name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;
Ves 18 continue, they will take up serpents; do you know what is that serpent spiritually ? Answer is YOU !
And if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them: do you know that dealy poison, is what you are saying right now against the children of god!
And it further says, they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.
So do you mean, I must believe not these holy prophetic and instructive words.
I am so sorry, Never. I love jesus and he loves me, therefore, I will keep humbling myself and submit myself to his doctrines through the annointed ones.
Amen !
@ alfredwillie,
Well then, you go and preach to the dogs, chickens, whales, crocodiles, lions, frogs and insects, see if they will get saved and confess with their hearts and mouth.
Yes, you are quite right, jesus said we must preach to the creatures which include dogs which is you and chickens which is your children and the whole world. Thank you that you know that truth. Adhere to what we say therefore.
@alfredwillie,
Pick up serpents eh ? Pass us off as serpents, right. Hilarious. Who was called a serpent ? Did not see any scripture referring this as to human beings, except what was written in Genesis about Lucifer, Satan or the Devil. Don’t get desperate now, Pullease !!! I wonder how you hermeneutically would put that into a sermon without to be thrown with eggs and tomatoes for your heretic theological inept exegesis of dazed and confuzed claims there.
@alfredwillie,
Let me see if they give you rat poison or arsenic highly concentrated if you walk away unscathed. Ever read what Jesus said ? Thou shalt NOT TEMPT The LORD THY GOD ! It is written, now go find it. It never said JUMP ! That was the Devil for you in case you can’t discern one thing from another.
Jusus was talking to your father satan, who through you is still resisting to accept the truth. Don’t you know that those who doesn’t accept jesus christ christ comes in flesh are the anti – christ ?
We know that. And jesus christ currently, is using tb joshua and when he use him, he doesn’t go out but dwell in him and use him mightly.
What signs do we see that jesus is residing in tb joshua ?
One of the true answers is ; through you who deny the truth and try to persecute him gor chrit jesus, You are the reason why we will adhere to his doctrine which manist through the one you are persecuting, is that clear now ?
Does the salt it nice to you wound ?
@ Alfred:
In the words of Jesus Christ as follows:
“… they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.” Mark 16:18
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Alfred, THE DEADLY POISON is the FALSE DOCTRINE that is being taught in SCOAN every Sunday, one of which Jamie pointed out above.
And THE SERPENTS are the FALSE PROPHETS and FALSE TEACHERS like your “prophet” Mr. TB Joshua.
And THE SICK that Jesus means here my brother are, I am sorry to say, PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND OTHERS THAT ARE WILLING WITHOUT QUESTION TO CONSUME THE POISONS OF THESE FALSE PROPHETS AND TEACHERS that are leading people to damnation and making them spiritually sick with their doctrines.
And by the way, the “ANOINTED ONES” are all the saints and believers in the LORD Jesus Christ, those who he has redeemed with his precious Blood, they are the anointed ones. Not some special somebody that calls himself a “Prophet” or an “Apostle” or “Wise Man” or whatever, do no be deceived. You, my brother is also an anointed person, unless of course you are not a believer in Jesus Christ as the Messiah.
You can pray for yourself and God will hear you as the barrier to the Holy of Holies in the presence the Almighty God has been torn in two by the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus on the cross of Calvary. There is no more any special high priest or prophet, pastor or somebody to intercede for you but Jesus Christ Himself, he is your only head. That is why it is dangerous to go to a “church” where somebody is claiming to be your “covering” or a “Daddy” or the “Master” or “Mentor” over you. The body of Christ cannot have two heads, or it will be a monster, there is only one “Daddy” and one “Master” and that is the LORD.
Jesus was troubled yet he didn’t loose the focus. He was disturbed by the pharasees
And the scribes’s Remarks but instead he was committed because he was well awere that they can say whatever the want to say gainst him.
He gave them a freedom of speech, a true one which I can see right now in our time.
But he worned that everyone who speak a word against the holy spirit will never be forgive. Watch yourself; anyone who blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven.
Therefore, I am taking that worning to you, becareful !
In luke 17 v 6 jesus says,
If you have faith as small as mustard seed, you can say to the mulberry tree, be uprooted and planted in the sea, and it will obey you.
Becareful !
Jesus said to his disciples ; things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come.
It will be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
So watch yourselves !
God of tb joshua, loves me and you in the name of our lord jesus christ of nazareth.
Stay blessed, submit yourself to the man of god while you can, AMEN !
Alfred,
I advice that u save your energy responding to these guys here on TBJoshuawatch. Pray for them instead. It was the negative criticism of TB Joshua and SCOAN by a family friend that drew my attention to the man of God and the ministry. I watched his EmmanuelTV channel, visited SCOAN and met the Prophet in person. My conviction is that God is working through this man called TB Joshua. Remember Moses in the Bible? If he comes back alive, people like TBJoshuawatch will still doubt his miracles and even question why he thinks he only can receive from God, even when they have no works to prove their faith. Personally, I think all they want is sow seeds of doubt in people’s minds as to what is happening in Christ’s kingdom. I want to believe, like the devil did to Moses, all they are doing is lie in wait for TBJ to slip as Moses did in hitting rather than speaking to the rock and condemn him to eternal damnation. I say this because they see nothing Christ-like in anything TBJ says or does. If God did not allow persecution of the early church to take place, who knows if the word would have reached some of us? Let the persecution of TBJ and other anointed men of God go on to the glory of God.
Hallelujah, Amen !
alfredwillie
Mr alfred, u didn’t ansa my ?
@alfredwillie,
Ever read this ?
2 Timothy 3:13-17
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
You are not telling me those claims were “revealed” to you by TB Joshua which you did in the other posts ? Or are these your own interpretation ? Like as in:
2 Peter 1:19-21
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any PRIVATE interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Happy Christmas to all readers and commenters of TBJoshuaWatch.
I pray that all of you know the blessings and love of Jesus Christ
Thank you sister Madelaine, a very Happy and Merry Christmas to you too.
Here are some the false doctrines (poisons) of the TB Joshua ministry people should be aware of and be on guard against:
1. Without deliverance, there is no forgiveness or mercy from the LORD.
CONTRARY TO THE WORD OF GOD in Romans 10:9,” That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine hearts that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
2. It is not a great sin to have more than one wife, or to marry again after a divorce. Note: he does not encourage divorce per se, but if one is divorced already, he does not see anything wrong if they marry again. He in fact encourages it.
CONTRARY TO THE WORD OF GOD in Luke 16:18, “Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”
CONTRARY TO THE WORD OF GOD in Matthew 5:32,” But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”
AND in 2 Corinthians 7:10,11:,” But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband, and that the husband should not divorce his wife.”
3. Do not suppress the flesh but walk in the liberty of the Holy Spirit.
CONTRARY TO THE WORD OF GOD in Romans 8:13,”For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.”
AND in Colossians 3:5,” Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth…”
AND in 1 Corinthians 9:27, “No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.”
4. People that are dead come to people’s dreams to destroy them. So when you see dead people that are familiar to you in the dream, know that your death draws near.
CONTRARY TO THE WORD OF GOD in 2 Corinthians 5:8,” Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord.”
5. Christians and other religions (such as Moslems, Buddhists, etc.) should work together, even those that do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God or the deity of Jesus Christ included those that do not believe in ONE GOD. This is called ecumenism and it is false.
CONTRARY TO THE WORD OF GOD in 2 Corinthians 6:14,”Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness?
6. Do not pray for the basic things that you need directly to God, such as a house if you have no shelter, a wife/husband in case of a single, a car if you do not have one, clothes, etc. “Pretend” and pray for something else, if you pray for something else, God will eventually give you your real need. This is not biblical, it is very false. God knows what you need before you ask Him, but he wants us to ask Him anyway, because God cannot do anything without prayer.
THIS DOCTRINE IS ALSO CONTRARY TO THE WORD OF GOD in AND in John 14:13,“And whatever you shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son …”
AND in Matthew 7:7,” Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you…”
AND in Mark 11:24, “Therefore I say to you, What things soever you desire, when you pray, …”
AND in John 14:13,“And whatever you shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son …”
AND in John 15:7, “If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.”
AND in John 16:24, “Till now have you asked nothing in my name: ask, and you shall receive, …”
AND in Matthew 21:22,” If you believe, you will receive WHATEVER you ask for in prayer.”
The above are only a few of some of the doctrinal errors coming out of The Synagogue Church of All Nation aka SCOAN. The man TB Joshua spits out these deadly doctrinal poisons every Sunday in the name of sermons. Be careful of how you listen to him even if you are there on a curiosity visit, or a curious observer watching him on his television station, Emmanuel TV.
Guys this is a rubbish which belong to the dirty bins. In tb joshua there is jesus christ dwelling in that flesh and blood, therefore, we have to submit ourselves to that truth or face the consequences.
I don’t know these folks who write here but I can tell you who are they !
Because it is the last hour which the bible spoke about in 1 john 2 from ves 18.
As we foretold guys, these people they went out from scoan but the truth is, they didn’t realy belonged to scoan. They are just the anti – christ folks who doesn’t accept the truth that jesus christ is still alive and dweling to the annointed ones. Why paul says there is no authirity except from god ?
Why jesus christ can’t reside in tb joshau according to them ?
What must we do about these miracles we receive through the man of god, tb joshau ?
Must we follow them, why, how and when ?
Doesn’t their bevour reveal to you and me that these guys are the bunch of hypocrites who are jelous that god is using somebody whom they think they are better than him ?
No to me, my house and my world of contact You have failed, in the name of jesus cvhrist of nazareth !
Hallelujah.
alfredwillie
Angelica,you should have posted a link of what you are accusing TB Joshua unless you are a fabricator of lies or simply you’ve misunderstood him and have to misinterpret everything for your gain.
Don’t waste your time by these hypocrites, we have the counselor dwelling in us through the man of god TB Joshau. He confirmed to us that this man is preaching his gospel and we have to listen to him not to the scribes of the law who are presumptuous , self-willed walking according to the flesh in the lust of winning the souls which jesus saved through tb joshua.
For me, my house and my world of contact including here in this blog I will never allow them to conque through jesus christ who strengthening me.
Praised god !
alfredwillie
More on the false doctrine of SCOAN of marrying more than one wife and re-marriage after a divorce #2 above. I figure because of TBJ’s Islam background, he does not see anything wrong with marrying more than one wife though he himself has only one – for now anyway :).
“A bishop/elder then must be blameless, the husband of ONE wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach.”
1 Timothy 3:2 KJV.
If you think, the scoan is a target place for you, that’s your baby. If you think the scoan is a booming business than yours, that your mistake.
The bible you are referring here, is our guide to know how to get home safely and peacefully and is not a stone or bullet that can kill the body .
It is the same bible which drew us closer to his elects, and it is the same bible which gave us life.
Withou the bible, we were lost like you, and capable of going evil, but after having read the bible and people like tb joshou came to our resue through jesus christ who strengthened them, we were released from these stupid presumption and accusations of things we don’t know.
Through the holy spirit imparted to the elect, the man of god tb joshau we have testimonies to share with you.
These testimonies are like the super glue which cannot be removed by your bitterness and envy against the truth we have obtained through tb joshua.
Lastly, I would encourage all the other people who read here with a true sense of desire the truth about god, not tb joshua to read the scripture themeselves, watch emmanuel tv and get to the official scoan blogs, your life will never be the same ever again like MINE .
Thank you lord, You are so awesome. We adore you PaPa
Hallelujah !
It is true that The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
Amen !
I am begging you, I am begging you by the name of our lord jesus christ of nazareth to learn from his elect, tb joshua the man of god.
You are so lost while reading the bible. You stll busy to translate and intepret something you suppose to apply.
You are busy revolting against god, but at the same time you want to be his rude and envyous disciple of christ. No it doesn’t work like that no !
Yes, I am not the perfect one, but I am telling you about the elect who helped me through the power imparted on him by jesus christ of nazareth, tb joshau.
Do you think we are so stupid that we can challenge god by following the false prophets who doesn’t have share in heavely realms.
Do you think we are not afraid of god’s anger n but of tb joshua, that ‘ s your mistake. That’s true, some of us, we don’t him him but the bible made us to know him and through faith we submit ourselves to the truth he is speaking and believe in the power as it is happening right in our lives.
I am so sorry, that your business is failing and now you are up in arms against tb joshau because he took the people you hope for . Remember, those people are of god not yours therefore god through tb joshau is releasing them ONE BY ONE.
I am so my friend, you will never win this battle ever because jesus won it before for tb joshau, accept that you are a looser and join us AMEN
You will be welcome ,
Praise GOD.
TESTIMONY
We have been unable to watch the tv recently as a result I want to contact the installers to come and fix the unknown problem but guess what ?
On sunday the 22nd, my wife woke me up to tell me about her dream. She said she was talking to the man of god face to face and the man of god said to her, she must ask me to go up in the roof of our house and move the wires from one side a title bit. I did take that seriously and I woke up, prepered myself and off to work. When I returned from work, my mind keep telling about this dream of my wife, then I throw my bag down and go up and moved the wires accordingly and got off. When I entered the house everybody were happy and rejoicing, praising god.
My wife was shouting TB Joshua, while my three years old boy was calling emmanuel, god is with us.
Now tell me, what is that to you ?
Do you mean we my agree with you against the man of god ?
Wooowww. Hallelujah !
Try at next door !
How sad.
Pathetic, even. 😦
@tbjoshuawatch,
What did you expect ? Clearly not wired right up in the head as in having a wire loose. But sad too as you say.
It is more blessed to give than to receive. The TB Joshua watch lodgers seek to discredit TB Joshua by seeking glory and sick satisfaction for themself. The Lodgers focus on love not on slanders and repent.
It’s funny, half the time we’re critisised for being anonymous, and half the time we’re critisised for “seeking glory for ourselves”. How can we get glory for ourselves if we’re anonymous?
So many peeps for tbj say even Jesus was “criticzed for performing signs and wonders” buh they forget to add the fact the Jesus made the people who criticized him,doubted him to believe that he is the true son of God by not just dying also by rising not just rising he ascended to heaven. Hmm @alfred do u read what u write @ all ” we have the councellor dwelling in us thru the man of God tbjoshua” sorry ooo buh the councellor,teacher,reminder which is the holyspirit dwells in me thru Jesus Christ. And ur dream are u trying to say Tbjoshua is omnipresent?? Cuz a lot of scoan atendees give testimonies abt tbj appearing in their dreams. All glory goes to God and not to tbj cuz from ur testiomony it seems u gave all the glory to him. Hmm
Counting from last week. I had a tyre puncher, not enough money to take everyone of my extended family members on holiday, not having enough time to do what I need to do in a day. Not being able to loose the extra 5kg’s I’m carrying….and…and, the list goes on. But my burdens have been lifted off by this site, you guys have taught me that whatever nonsense is happening around me and in my mind I CAN BLAME IT ON PROPHET T.B. JOSHUA. Oh how can I forget to mention? My stomach is unsettling…its prophets fault. I can’t spend time with the rest of my family members…guess what its prophets fault…..SERIOUSLY, give me a break TBJWATCH!!
lol. My question is, if your false messiah is so great, and you are delivered by him, why are all his promises of overcoming and breakthrough not being perfectly worked out in your life? Alfred testifies that his television was cured by the power of TB Joshua. How can your tire be punctured if you declare it whole in the name of TBJ? How can the weight not just get up and run away from you, if you declare it so in the name of your messiah?
Merry Christmas Mali, have a wonderful time with your family, we pray God blesses you this Christmas.
@alfredwillie, you use many theological terms, but don’t appear to have a grasp of their actual meaning.
In Scripture, “the elect” does not refer to one man, let alone some kind of quasi-messiah. It refers to the whole body of Christ, those who belong to Him. You do not follow a man who is “the elect” because that has nothing to do with the meaning of the phrase. Nothing at all.
“As for me and my house” is remarkably disturbing when you rip it out of Scripture and try to staple it onto TBJ-worship. That phrase, in whole, is “As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” Not TBJ.
Your theology is utterly, frighteningly whacked. Scripture unequivocally prohibits the worship of man. The ONLY direct mediator between humans and God is JESUS CHRIST. You are not free. You are bound up in the spiderweb created by TBJ, to the extent that you cannot even function in daily life without his assistance to fix your appliances. I pray that one day you will know true freedom in Christ.
Every messianic reference you apply to TBJ, you spit on the name of Jesus Christ. Those words refer to Him, and belong to Him alone. The Bible does not “know” TBJ, nor introduce him to the world. He is nothing. JESUS CHRIST IS ALL. TBJ will stand and face him and account for his actions just as the rest of us will. I hope that he will be humble enough to repent before that moment and plead the blood of Jesus. I can tell you for sure that your TBJ will not sit at the right hand of God. That seat is reserved for Jesus alone and the fact that TBJ allowed someone to testify otherwise is the height of blasphemy.
I’m glad someone takes the time and patience to correct this nonsense!
Praise god son of satan, you’ll never understand ever the heveanly languages because you don’t bolong there you are just the walking according to flesh.
Do you think you can win anybody in this earth son of devil ?
I don’t think so.
I don’t blame you boy, even his disciples didn’t understand him, that ‘ why he said , to them it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of god, but to the rest it is given in parables, that seeing they may not see. And hearing they may not understand. Luke 8 v 10
The bible worned us about people like you,that there will be boastful, proud,abusive,disobedient,unholy like you. nevertheless, the children of god are victorious and enjoy the freedom which jesus obtained for them.
Right now, tb joshua is victorious to you and to the world itself, Ok !
alfredwillie
Praise god son of satan, you’ll never understand ever the heavely languages because you don’t bolong there you are just walking according to flesh.
Do you think you can win anybody in this earth son of devil ?
I don’t think so.
I don’t blame you boy, even his disciples didn’t understand him, that ‘s why he said to them, it has been given to them know the mysteries of the kingdom of god, but to the rest it is given in parables, that seeing they may not see. And hearing they may not understand. Luke 8 v 10
The bible advised us in advance about people like you,that there will be boastful, proud,abusive,disobedient,unholy like you. nevertheless, the children of god are victorious and enjoy the freedom which jesus obtained for them.
Right now, tb joshua is victorious to you and to the world itself, Ok !
And there is nothing you can do about it. In this blog, we are here to stay and those who have spiritual ears will hear us or we will make them hear the word of god in us those who are dump like you.
Merry Christmas Alfred. My God bless you and your family as you celebrate the birth of his son this year.
Hallelujah, you too !
alfredwillie
@M, like I said we blame it on the Prophet. So you agree with me. I even spelled puncture wrong that also goes to the Prophet as to why he didn’t insert a spell check device in my brain!
Because you don’t belong to him but to you father satan, why don’t ask him your stupid request. Here we are building the holy temple of god and tb joshau is leading us
alfredwillie
Mali, well if TB Joshua did not had advertized him-self as a Messiah, he would not have had this troubles of highly expectations of the people by ‘his’powers. “his’powers, are the Powers of God, entrusted to him, to help others by it. What has his ego and his self-created misery to do with God any-how?
Is this new to you ? The disciple of jesus has to spread the godspel in whtever way he can according to the lord riches, and do your job as satan instructed you.
We are have to preach the gospel through out the world.
Some will see us as the messiahs and that no sin, but the miracles of jesus christ in us.
TB Joshua go on, we are fully behind you in jesus name, Amen !
alfredwillie
@alfred keep up the “Good” work by calling people son of the devil…keep it up. Saying those words alone renders ur “so called long story” null and
void. (˘̯˘ )
Hallow, I know my father’s children and also I know those who belong to his enemy satan. You can hear them by their stupid questions in resistance against god. Maan, I know them and when they are doing their fathers works, they just want to confuse my father’s children.
You belong to your father Satan, why are scared. I’m not scared to be called by jesus or tb joshua, instead I am so proud !
Blessed is he who is not offended because of me.
But guys, I have to go out and tell the people the truth regarding what god is doing to me, my family, friends and my world of contact through his elect, choosen one. TB Joshua. I cann’t keep quite and ignore when they accused him of what I know and have proof.
But guys, forgive me, I wll continue to do this until I get my reward from christ jesus according to his promise, and I will follow his desciples like tb joshua as long as god loves me.
May his love rest upon you !
alfredwillie; you have no right responsibility at all. If you are a real man of God, you will not defend the serious wrongs in the ministery of TB Joshua. He is more in the darkness involved then you are able to discern. May God have mercy on your lack of spiritual discernement and maturing. I gues you people are used at brooming the dirt from one place to the other. african traditional habbit. amen
By saying this I do not mean, I am wrong but because I know the truth hurt. I don’t believe I lack anything in christ jesus, but I have to be active in him as there are people who think they are the only one who can mislead us away from christ who is dwelling in tb joshau flesh.
I am sorry, I’m sure of what I am saying in christ jesus, amen !
alfredwillie
A question Alfred. Do you believe Christ is dwelling in you?
alfredwilly;’Christ who is dwelling in TB Joshua,s flesch”? Are you kidding? TB Joshua stirs his anoiting only sunday, with the help of his wise-men, because TB Joshua has lost the anoiting on his person, he only operates in the anoiting on his ministery. The rest of the week he functions by the flesch, and the lusts of the flesch. He does not know Christ at all in his heart. He just entered the gate. His intercessions are about nature-disasters, football-games, famous persons who are gone die, and how to receive more anoitings. His service is the most concentrated on evil and demons, and his sermons are personal interpretations of the Gospel. He is legalistic and his teachings are not about Grace. As a person he distracts his disciples, and as a profhet he roams about in the second heaven of the demons. Christ is dwelling in TB Joshua? What Christ do you serve? My Christ is about the Spirit-realm of heaven. amen.
Merry christmss scribe, and happy new year to all of you wisedom . My god, nay bless you, amen !
alfredwillie
Some people harbor resentment until it becomes a monster, controlling their lives. People have been imprisoned and are on death row today because they allowed offenses to grow into hatred that was then translated into murder like with authors of this TB Joshua watch blog with Mr Terrific on top.
Offense must be cut off and removed. Repent
Praised, Amen !
alfredwillie
Merry Christmas Smelter, we may be divided on TB Joshua, but we’re united in Christ, and that’s what matters. Be blessedm you and your family as you celebrate the saviours birth this year.
Tell TBJ to make a public confession of his atrocities and set the captives free from hotel SCOAN. Let him repent and confess Jesus as Lord and saviour and be saved, then I will let bygones be bygones!!!! Until then, ALUTA CONTINUA!!!!
alfredwillie and emm; you seem to understand more of satan then I am aware off. Profhet tb Joshua is a servant of God. And I am justified to expose his dividing ministery. TB Joshua has the gifts of profhesy and healing and deliverances, the greatests gifts a man can receive from God. And at the same time, tb Joshya roams about with women and girls, abuses, accuses innocent people, uses tricks to cover his faults, uses a self-interpretated Gospel, humiliates the Holy Spirit, uses violence against Gods people, mis-uses his financial resources received from God and Gods people, and builds a own kingdom where his huge ego can be worshipped by fools as you. And you call me satanic, while the darkness and blindness is almost covering your-self? I love Christ, and you see for your-self whom you will worshipp and love. If you accept the serious misstakes of your profhet, then you are of the same calliber. Hiding and covering all the dirt that is on you. Your level of consiousness is not even worth-while to act up-on. Join your master tb joshua, he will help your further in your destruction. amen.
alfredwillie and emm. You may ask your-self the question; how much does a simple man as TB Joshua needs for him-self before his ego and hunger for fame will be satisfied? How many people have to be damaged, robbed,mis-leaded, mis-used, die, before he will change his approuch and his vision and him-self? How much faritales, profhesies, anoitings and marterial gains do you need, before you will come to God for a serious relationship? Your love for tb joshua seems to be greater then your understanding of God and the bible. You are lost people, just as TB Joshua is. Blinded by false hope in a time of tribulation. I will not warn you to wake up to your childisch adorations and idolatery. You received a free will. Remember, you are with tb Joshua responsible for his blood-shed. A man of his calliber, who belowers him-self to the level of a cheap play-boy, is a deeply confused and stupide fool. There are no other words to discribe it. amen.
alfredwilly, in fact, your responses are as sick-making as the master who learned you this ugly-game-play. You better watch your tonque. and your arrogance. You have my blessings for your future. If you need a man as TB Joshua to englithen your path, then go ahead, You did not listen any-how to the word, because other-wise you would not talk as you do. Even to a profhet,, men as you are a terrible burden. amen.
Thank you for you blind remarks, may god bless you and happy christ mass
alfredwillie
@ all,
Sorry, I know I have said this before. But since they believe in “distance is not a barrier” and “that every demon and including Satan obeys during the deliverances they do, wherever they are or go, with or without “anointing water”, wristband, cloth, hand kerchief, oil, salt,….Why is it that we are still all called of Satan, when they claim they can wield the power of God, if they are as “Emmanuel, God with us”, Deliver us from where they are standing, operating, believing in the above and we are still Undelivered or agents of Satan ? (Which is only in their head of course). As we know from Scriptures that Jesus had no problem in doing this and it came to pass. How come since the inception of this website, none of them who claim all that have not been able to do it. As I have said in the past, you can prove it to me and to me and if the Holy Spirit knows of what I am writing then let them prove we will all be delivered of what they claim, but after many years now it is proven that none of them can or are able to. So their empty words are just empty words and have no power at all. Would we be surprised ? No not at all, because we as a group believe, no weapon formed against us shall prosper and that every tongue that speaks against us shall be condemned and that we are in agreement with each other that only Jesus Christ is Lord and that we are redeemed by His Blood and saved through our verbal confession and the conviction of our hearts and not by any words of any man, but by Christ our Redeemer and Saviour. Still Alfredwillie has not answered my questions about the Holy Spirit, but rather goes on his own exposé of his twisted application of Gods Word as he sees fit. God bless you all, and have good days in finding Jesus as your Friend and Companion for the Road ahead as well the New Year. Have a blessed 2014. With love and above all His Love for you all, including you alfredwillie, smelter and others.
Jesse
Merry Christmas all!
praising God tonight for the Gift above all gifts, Jesus Christ. He is the true Emanuel, God who came to dwell with us, carry our sins and sorrows, and save us to spend eternity with him.
alfred and who??? Jamie did u read my comments well @all. Lwkmd am not sure u did go baq and rid kw who’s name to mention.. @ Alfred u didn’t ansa my ? Rada u ansad wiv a testimony dat gave all praises to tbj. For u to support tbj u shud kw people who have testified to u one on one”not on emmunuel” tv about how positive their lives have been affected positively through deliverance, prophecies,healing and attending the church in general. *cuz. Jim iyke was delivered in the scoan and tbj sed “he has been delivered and he is now living a goodlife” and last week jim was abusing someone on twitter.hmmm. Mr alfred ansa my ?
@jamie u are beginnig to sound like alfred getting all insultive and all that. @all let me just say this “if ure here just writing long stories tbj this tbj that and u are “NOT” putting the people who are blinded by all these prophecies, deliverance into prayers, then all u have are just fingers to type. Mind ur words,don’t get insultive @jamie and alfred calling people fools and child of satan. @all pls read the comments well before to comment. Merry xmas all.
I wish, may the love of god may continue to flow through the man of tb joshua and all the congregations as we are celebrating the birth of our lord jesus christ of nazareth. Merry Christmas to all god creatures, accordingly in jesus name, hallelujah !
alfredwillie
Yes, i am sorry, it is so easy to become infected by the scoan-vocabulaire. It will not happen again. It was in the heat of the emotion i gues. Scoan is on the level of; “blaming, accusing and fights with satan, insults and name-callings”, and before you know it, you act as them, because they selden listen to reason, wisdom and advize. Thank you for correcting me.
Una go insult person finish con end ur comments with “amen”. I really don’t get that
Men you can debate but don’t hate like Mr Terrific
It looks that you are Internet Slanders ” the lodge of TB Joshua watch with MR Terrific at the top”, after statement of TB Joshua giving by himself, that he is not a Christ? Repent sinners !!!! or you will not enter Heaven for sure because Bible says that………………many times was said here for you
T B Joshua is a liar and a hypocrite, who says one thing and does another thing, yet you people are too blind to see! He says he is not Christ, yet he allows this woman to claim he is “messiah,” for three times, with his approval, of course. He hides behind the scenes and pulls all the strings and pretends he doesn’t know what is going on. Shame on you, Temitope Balogun Joshua, sakawa prophet of Nigeria, I don catch you!
Watch your mouth sir, tb joshua and the synagogue of all nation are the map to you and me on earth which keep directing where must we go to heaven, in which way must you travel and which name mst you look for in these boards .
Mr Terrific,
If TB Joshua is a hypocrite what about two President of Africa, first The President of South Sudan and The President of Malavi. Are they hypocrites as well? Mr Terrific you are making yourself out human mind and reason. Repent you old sinner from you hate !!!
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and no one gets to the FATHER except tru him. The bible didn’t say Jesus and the prophet or Jesus and tbj. Okay!! And even a false prophet can prophesy and it will come to pass, do signs and wonders dat will not make him a true man of God. They be saying tbj helps the poor, even dem celine dion and beyonce also help the poor so what are u pple saying…..
The thing is, TBJ doesn’t even have any money to “help” anyone! It is the money he collects from the Lord’s people and gives back a fraction to them. Wake up, people!
Repent Mr Terrific from you slanders !!!
@alfred u protect tbj and fight for him more than u even talk about the Word of God.
Therefore, I make known to you that no one speaking by the spirit of god calls jesus accursed, and no one can say that jesus is lord except by the holy spirit.
There are diversities of gifts, but by the same spirit which gave tb joshua the spirit of prophecy !
If you believe in the bible which confessed that jesus is lord, then we are one in acknowledging the fact that tb joshua is a man from GOD.
Hallelujah !
Did you see that TB Joshua announced a new wrist band this Sunday, 29 December 2013, that looks very much like the Roman Catholic Rosary? He says; “It is to build the faith of baby Christians”. This snake is coming out of his hole and exposing himself more and more. The holy water has now been dropped?
Yes, we’re wide awake and watching his every move, and “reporting for God.” He cannot escape scrutiny and we will continue to expose him until he makes his public confession and repents!
TB Joshua is wearing the New Faith Wrist Band here – The minnie Rosary look alike.
http://thetbjoshuafanclub.wordpress.com/
This is indeed preposterous. This man is finding our more creative ways to put the souls of ignorant men in bondage. How much is he selling these new wrist beads?
The wrist beads look more like Muslim prayer beads than Catholic rosary beads, although both are junk and unbiblical.
I guess the millions he is currently making weekly is not enough anymore for his new standard of living that he has to add another item on the list of things to make money from. The last time I checked the packaged “tap water” with the sticker and DVD were sold for N5,000 or $50 person.
Per every 100-people TB Joshua gets N750,000 or $5,000 dollars Naira for each of those fancy little anointing water. Therefore, mathematically calculating it, since everybody that comes to the church is somehow induced to purchase this anointing water/tap water (by the elaborate testimonies of other zombied individuals), the man TB Joshua makes not less than approximate $1,500,000 every Sunday per 30,000 people that visits the SCOAN church, and $500,000 dollars for per 10,000 people that visits his church every Thursday. Weekly, he never fails to make at least $2 million dollars hard cash (l ‘argent of the raw order).
The dude is spitting money big time…and this is excluding the money he gets from weekly tithes and offering and his Sunday bulletin/sermons he sells for N200 person, which is mandatory if you want to sit inside. His ushers never allowed anyone to enter inside the church unless you purchased the N200 or you are kicked outside.
So, only rich people that can afford the N200 Sunday bulletin fees stayed inside the church, while the poor stay outside.
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“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; And through covetousness shall THEY WITH FEIGNED WORDS MAKE MERCHANDISE OF YOU: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not…” 2 Peter 2:1-3
What is wrong with the Roman Catholic and Rosary? And who gave you a right to call a person a snake? People mind your words!!!
I agree with Angelica, I immediately thought Muslim prayer beads, not rosary.
And quite honestly, there is nothing inherently wrong with physical objects used to remind us to pray, and to keep praying.
But in the context of TBJ’s already blatant syncretism, the addition of something that resembles Muslim prayer beads is ominous.
All, please examine this tekst, in relationship to the profhesies, TB Joshua gave for 2014. http://endtimeupgrade.org/daniel-10-12-ancient-mid-east-turmoil-telescopes-modern-times/
PEOPLE, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF THE LORD JESUS, COME OUT OF THESE ORGANIZED CHURCHES! The Holy Spirit is not in them anymore! The miracles, casting out spirits and prophecies that you see and hear in them are not of the Lord Jesus Christ. As is written in the Book of Revelations 16:13,14:
“And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mought of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the FALSE PROPHET. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles…”
Also, please if you need to fellowship with other believers (as is written in Hebrews 10:25), fellowship in your homes and not some fancy church building with a “Leader” or “Father/Daddy in the Lord”, or “Leader” by another name called “General Overseer or Daddy G.O.” In a true Christian fellowship there is no “leader” that takes majority of the tithes, offering, adulation and reverence to himself and his family, everyone is equal. Jesus Christ is the only leader of Christians, he is the only “head” of his body, the Body of Christ, not some bishop, prophet, pastor, apostle, deacon, sage, wisemen or whatever.
Also remember, when Jesus Christ ascended to Heaven he never assigned any one of the Apostles to lead the rest, i.e. to be a leader per se, although he told Peter that on this rock he will build his church, he never said or appointed Peter to be the head of the others, or Paul, or his mother, or any of the other apostles or disciples to head the church, instead they had a group of elders leading the church. They did not have one celebrity leader as you have celebrity “Prophet” TB Joshua in SCOAN.
God is spirit and they that worship him, must worship him in spirit and truth (John 4:24), you do not have to go to a “place” to worship God. Besides, if you are alone, maybe sick, bedridden etc., and don’t have any other human to worship with, turn off TBN, Daystar, WORD, Emmanuel TV and the other harlot fake Christian TV stations springing up like mushrooms all over the place these days, and worship with the “Holy Spirit”, He is a person. You are never alone if you are a true born again Christian.
Come out of the “church” organizations and clubs… agents of Satan have infiltrated the entire organized church network system as “angels of light” do not be deceived.
For your information, you are more likely to be demon possessed inside a “church” than out of it, do not listen to what the lying demons that SCOAN casts out say…
Mmmm…. Muslim prayer beads. Didn’t know about this. Very interesting! Thanks for the info Angelica.
And yes, I agree with you to call them out of scoan.
This is what the Lord says;
“As for the prophets, who lead my people astray, if one feeds them, they proclaim ‘peace’; if he does not, they prepare to wage war against him.
Therefore night will come over the ‘prophets’, without vision and darkness, without divination.
The sun will set for the prophets and the day will go dark for them.
The seers will be ashamed and the diviners disgraced.
They will all cover their faces, because there is no answer from God.”
….her prophets tell fortunes for money, yet they lean upon the Lord and say; “Is not the Lord among us?” “No disaster will come upon us” – Micah 3: 5-12
Get up and go away! For scoan is not your resting place, because it is defiled, it is ruined, beyond all remedy.
If a liar and deceiver comes and says; “I will prophesy for you plenty of wine and beer”; he would be just the ‘prophet’ for this people!” – Micah 2:10-11
And Anthony,
You might find your answers if you do a bit of research. Try starting with Dr. Walter Veith’s teachings or late Mark Woodman. Their teachings are on the internet.
Is this site became a war of religions now!!!
Those who are far from christ jesus will do that, yes of course is for them, not for us.
We have the holy spirit who can reveal these things to us, not our own wisedom. No.
We have also the prophet annointed to do this, why must we despise him for the dead liars.
O’please help me lord, to adhere to your word and not to despise your choosen one .
Amen
alfredwillie
O’ thank you lord, forgive their anger, envy, and malice which is coming from jealous and frustration.
You said, they will bring judgement on themselves, romans 13 v 1-2
Your savant, tb joshua did not waver at your promise through unbeliefs, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to you.
And being fully convinced that what he had promised he was also able to perform in jesus name !
Now you’re taking words of scripture written about Abraham and replacing his name with TB Joshua?! That is truly shocking. How can you even think that this is appropriate?
Because he qualify as a true prophet who represent him in us !
Thank you lord for this revelation ,
alfredwillie
A “prophet” who edits his prophecies to make them seem more accurate is a liar and a fraud, and has no right being compared to the likes of our father Abraham, let alone to our saviour Jesus Christ.
A prophet who edit according to the will of god. Remember, god direct tb joshua as his prophet in each and every step he has to take, he doesn’t do these things himself but god guide him. Hallelujah !
alfredwillie
So does God give a prophet a vision of a plane sinking into the ocean when it was actually going to crash into a mountain? A god like that is either deliberately deceptive or incompetent. Not a God worthy of worship.
Anybody who is healthy mentally, who is normal and have faith, true faith in god. Anybody who believe he/she have the holy spirit in her/him can see what’s drving you crazy when people follow the man of god.
We know what do you want, but unfortunately you are using your own corrupt and stupid wisedom not the one which comes from god.
Please, mark my word down in a pierce of paper and keep it in your pocket for your reference.
We have the greater one in us, therefore, we are the winners not loosers like you ! Write that down see what I mean.
Thank you lord jesus
alfredwillie
“Watch your mouth sir, tb joshua and the synagogue of all nation are the map to you and me on earth which keep directing where must we go to heaven, in which way must you travel and which name mst you look for in these boards .”
This is pure, unadulterated, shameless BLASPHEMY.
And the more you speak it, the more convinced I become that TBJ is not just a clever scammer but an agent of Satan to deceive God’s people.
There is no “map” and no road to heaven except for JESUS. End of story.
Let’s see who is a victor here in jesus name. But let me inform you before hand, YOU ARE A FAILURE because greater is he that is in us !
Led by the man choosen by god himself, we are victorious over you and your father who instruct you to revolt against his choosen,
Saul, becareful, I am warning you, in jesus name, amen !
I’m sorry Alfred, but at this point, you’re just pathetic. Irrational. Blinded by tbj. Your messiah tbj will account for his blasphemy before God, and so will you.
I have a bright and awesome life in christ jesus whom I witness daily through tb joshua ministry.
Therefore, I thank our heavenly father who showed us where to adhere and who must we follow as he did to his prohets like isaiah and others.
But I will never be misled by you and will ensure that you stay like that as long as you revolt against the man of god.
I declare therefore that you have already failed in jesus name, now that manifest so that everybody may see the truth that you are the followers of devil using the name of jesus as your shield for evil dirty works. Amen !
alfredwillie
Lol.wishing failure on a fellow believer in Jesus Christ. Lovely.
you keep proving, again and again, that tbj is no prophet but a cult leader. Every single post you write verifies that. Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. Any man who says you can’t get to heaven without believing in this prophet or that apostle is blaspheming. Nobody needs tbj to get to heaven. Jesus Christ alone accomplishes that.
Perhaps we should let Alfred take over as the main writer on TBJW?
Haha. He’s doing all the work for you!
To TB Joshua Watch;
Keep on exposing tbj for who he is. As I said; “Your web is keeping him intact. He is now careful to carry on with his copy and pasted divinations”. This ‘prophet/diviner’ was on his toes at the New Year service in scoan last night. No ‘prophecy’ came from himself. But he was reading out of a ‘book’, someone else gave him, which prophecy about 2014. He said someone else gave it to him? Really? Now this ‘prophet’ of God, must read out of someone else’s book, to ‘prophecy’ for 2014. He even said; “That he does not want to say more, because it might be put on the Internet”! Interesting! Well I must comment you TB Joshua Watch. You got him to shut up. To close his own mouth on his cut and pasted divinations!
Where was the call to repentance before blessings?
The Bible says; “…the Lord sent Prophets to the people to bring them back to Him and though they testified against them, they would not listen”… This is what God says; “Why do you disobey the Lord’s commands? You will not prosper, because you have forsaken the Lord, He has forsaken you.”2 Chronicles 24:19+20
There was NO hint of calling the people back to God? The prophets of the Bible did no use divination to tell about all kinds of crap out of someone else’s books, which will not bring the people back to God.
Well done tbj Watch, keep it up until tbj releases God’s people out of his cult.
What once I read from the bible, is what I am witnessing at the synagogue church of the all Nation, praise god.
They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
What happened there is happening right now, where god is with his people.
Man of god you are the blessing to this crooked world, thank you lord jesus for using tb joshau to show your mighty powers, iwho am I, to question and despise your choice and plans ?
alfredwillie
Which other church across the glob that use the money obtained from the members and other partners to help the poor as jesus requires without tb joshua and scoan?
The SCOAN is involved in massive charitable donations in all part of the world. They have been notably present in disaster struck areas like Haiti,
New Orleans, Somalia and other places. The SCOAN is the only church that rehabilitates social deviants like armed robbers, prostitutes,
fraudsters and other socially unapproved people.
They not only rehabilitate them spiritually, but they do so MATERIALLY!
I have watched bags of rice and money given to these formally social misfits to begin life anew to the glory of God. One touching story I watched
was when a woman and her kids from Mongolia treated badly by her Nigerian husband was assisted with funds to relocate back to Mongolia.
Can somebody tell me how many Pastors and church leaders will spend their own money to help a distress woman go back to her country?
The charitable works of T.B Joshua is not limited to members of Christianity alone. Destitute Muslim communities have all benefited from the
largesse of this man who is renowned for his charitable works in all over the world.
He meet’s this quality abundantly!
Gift of Teaching: The sermons of Prophet T.B Joshua are a delight to watch. He does not teach
ostentatiously nor adopts fiery speeches to drive his points. He does not resort to unnecessary
shouting or use of flowery or high sounding vocabulary to impress his god worshipers. He adopts
simple English and chooses his words carefully to the understanding of even the illiterates in his church. That is a hallmark of a good teacher!
I have enumerated the qualities of a Minister as set forth in the bible. From my analysis, it is undoubtedly clear that Prophet T.B Joshua meets
and exceeds this even in some areas. He is a man of God and nothing can change that.
Most Other Pastors who criticize him have no credibility or locus as Christians. They are mired in
every misdeed that shames Christianity. Most also do it out of jealousy and envy. The man T.B
Joshua commands respect everywhere he goes. People who criticize him in public are known to seek his help in private!
With a clean conscience, I declare that Prophet T.B Joshua is a True Man of God and I have ability in his standing as a man sent forth to propagate
the word of God. I pray for God’s strength in his life and urge him to continue the good deeds he is doing. Some of us objective minded people will be here to trumpet his divine Christian achievements to the world.
Why zacchaeus said to jesus, the half of my goods I give to the poor, not to say , I give it to the pastor ?
Alfred, you truly are blind. No other church gives to the needy and rehabilitates the broken? Either you are blind or a liar, because you statement is so patently false that I’m quite shocked you had the courage to make it.
There are thousands of churches, millions of Christians, who have nothing to do with SCOAN and who pour money, effort, and time into caring for the needy. Many indeed give out of their own pockets and risk their lives to rescue girls and women from brothels and children from slavery. In fact, I am not aware of one single local church, large or small, that doesnt give the majority of their income to ministering to the needy. And unlike tbj, these pastors are not rolling in millions. Most work other jobs so as not to take money from what is given in offerings, and those who are salaried take very low salaries. They are like the wonan who gave only two coins, but that was all she had and her gift was more valuable to Jesus than the bragadocious rich priests who were so proud of their giving.
Perhaps you aren’t aware of these churches and individuals because they don’t brag about their works on Emanuel TV. But they make your statement a shameless lie. Whether you are aware of it or not, your post was full of ridiculous falsehood that is easily proven wrong.
And “notably present” in Haiti and Somalia? You must be joking. Only on the self serving, bragging e-tv.
Unbelievable.
Haiti is an interesting one because SCOAN went on a massive fundraising drive for it, claiming that as well as providing emergency relief, they planned to setup “a permanent clinic and orphanage”, but after a matter of weeks the team had been and gone. A reliable source who was an insider at the time claims that huge amounts of money were collected, but where did it go?
Yes. Out of curiosity, I looked up the “haiti mission”. The ONLY reference to SCOAN in Haiti on the first three pages google pulled up is….wait for it….from SCOAN supporters and SCOAN websites/branch websites.
“Notably present” is a phrase that came up frequently. Nobody even bothers to be creative, they just repeat what other followers say.
Secular news sources often report on “big names” who participate in relief efforts. Kings, the Pope, popular pastors, politicians. You know who is not mentioned, ever? TBJ. Notably present, my foot.
Thank you, I am so humbly and glad to be blind to your perishable wisdom, but to god, I refuse to be blind through christ jesus who strengthening me.
Do you know what?
let me tell you the truth in christ jesus, and I am not laying. truely this man is from god and I am well pleased with him. How can he use jesus christ ‘s name and hide himself brhind the same spirit who rose jesus from the dead if he is not from god ?
How can this man be so peaceful like he was with jesus during his visit on earth while being attack like paul ?
Like those disciples who were with christ , particularly, peter, and be so mightly supported by the power which we read of from the bible, only from the bible and not from anybody else including those who are so clever and well educated, who made numerious researches about christ,
May it not be the true man of god ?
Why is he persecuted and rejected by particularly those who want to use jesus christ ‘ s name for their business, who want to rich themselves out of this name which we inherit an evalasting life through it ?
I noticed those who hate and reject this man are like those who hated jesus and his disciples, and they are using jesus as if they know him better and they were with him therefore, anybody like tb joshua must request guidence from them, why ?
I thank the power of god who is showing us that these people are not from him. Yes they may use jesus as their scapegoat but they will expose themselves that they are from the other side of the bridge therefore we shall leave them there,and cross the bridge in victory led by his annointed one to enjoy our victory in jesus name.
Amen !
Matthew 6:3 GNT
Good News Translation
But when you help a needy person, do it in such a way that even your closest friend will not know about it.
Oops – tbj is disobeying the Word of God again!
But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived – 2 Timothy 3:13.
You know that one does not know that you are asleep until you wake up.
The same with deception. You do not know that you are deceived until you wake up to it.
Wooowww, that’s means this year is the year to cross over from oppression to victory. Satan will have no power at all. His workers will fail to try to deceive the people through jealous, envy and self-seeking using jesus as their scapegoat.
Amen !
alfredwillie
What is this now?
http://tbjoshuaanswers.wordpress.com/2013/09/27/feedback-open-letter-to-prophet-tb-joshua/
This is Ryan‘s blog.
Ryan decided to have his own blog. The responses are interesting. The more is revealed, the better. TB joshua Watch, keep going strong this year!
all, dont be intimidated by Alfredwilly. He does not understand yet who are the people of God and who representing satan. Nor does he understand the Spririt-revelations about the true ordaining of tb Joshua. If his spirit is a real spirit of God, he would talk with a better discernement.
I am just laffing, rilly laffing. hebrews 1vs1_2 has already striked out the need for running to prophets. Until you believe @alfred that u have the holy spirit dwelling in u, who wud concel you and teach you then ur life wud continously be dependent on the words of a “man”. We all forget thrs power in the tongue, don’t just accept the prophecy no matter how good or bad it sounds. Go back and put it in prayers.
Thankyou ej, well put.
Alfredwilly, what is this statement of yours, that Jezus of Tb Joshua sould not be of Nazareth, but of the World?
Good question Jamie. It sounds like the comic christ or the other Jesus that the Bible talks of.
For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough – 2 Corth 11
13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
to tell the truth, this whole circus around TB Joshua becomes each day more a cheap soap, to me. It becomes hilarious. It is so deep stupide and out of order of what the Bible teaches,. The reality is, people become duped and harmed by it, so that part is not hilarious at all. Yes, I noticed the correlation with The Another Jezus. Dont be afraid of them. The are counterfits.
Listen to these two hypocrites, you can hear and see, they don’t care about the testimonies and they don’t care about the truth, what they care of is them being so clever and wise as if they are the only ones who have the right to know the things of the kingdom.
But if you have christ dwelling in you, immediately, you will smell the self-seeking habit in them and that they are not from god.
Guys, we are crossing the bridge this year, don’t you want to accompany us ?
Through the prophet of god, as he was doing during the prophet isaiah he is still doing it today through the prophet known as tb joshua, god has spoken, it doesn’t matter whether you believe or not but the fact remain, god has poken through his prophet , beware !
alfred; you are the one who does not cares about Truth. You only care about your profhets adoration. You dont mind what is happening to people by the wrongs of the profhet. I am more of God then you will understand,. What yopu are saying about self-seeking is what you are doing. It is scoan-habbit, just as the profhet is. Maybe one day Jezus will be honoured and not the profhet. I have Jezus, i dont need a bridge-project of a profhet. The Spirit acts in the now, not in bridge-projects to guide people over hurdles that are created by the lacks in the profhet him-self. Let him teach knowledge, so that people can act and understand in Spirit.
…….Guys, we are crossing the bridge this year, don’t you want to accompany us?…….. No thank you. This is one of those vague ‘prophecies’, for which tbj is famous. What bridge is this and where is it leading you? It can mean anything? I prefer to follow Jesus to where He leads me.
Rather;
“Watch ye, therefore, praying at all times, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things (the judgments of God) that are to come and to stand before the Son of man”- Luke 21:36.
God is busy pouring out His judgments on a sin burned earth. Watch God’s judgments on this planet in 2014. Rather pray the above prayer and follow the Word of God. Time is running out.
Alfredwillie,
I comment you for loving our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I can see that you are trying hard. We were all at this point where you are now. We all thought tbj was a true prophet of God. We all found out, that he is a fake nigerian. Please read the rest of the writings on this blog. Believe me it was a hurtful, disillusioned shock that left deep scars in our lives after 10 years with him. Tbj is a brilliantly, clever, deceitful, nigerian, 419, trickster. The fact that you are interested in this site, is in itself a good sign. The Lord is busy working with you. I will pray for you, but in the meantime the wheat and the chaff must grow together. Remember the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible warned us of the false prophets of the last days. They will be able to prophecy in the Name of the Lord and drive demons out and perform miracles and do charity, but Jesus might say to them; “Away from me you evil doers!” Be careful. All these works are NOT a sign that someone is a prophet, whom Jesus knows. Be careful whose teachings you are following. It might just lead you astray!
Here is the piece in the Bible where Jesus warns about false prophet. Please read and study it.
The Bible says;
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day,
1.’Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and
2. In your name drive out demons and
3. Perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you.
Away from me, you evildoers/lawless ones with rotten fruit, because you did not do the will of my Father in heaven!’ Mathew 7
I personally know of a widow and her children that tbj promised a house to and help with her children’s education. After they came home they could not get hold of anyone of scoan again and NO help came to them from tbj. I also know of many more. It was just a promise for Emman TV. To impress people like you!
No, you did think, and I read here you mention that you thought that tb joshua is the man of god !
Wow, but for me and my people, we don’t think but god is helping us. The bible rebuke presumptions.
Ypu were wrong from the first and you will remain there until jesus came back. I didn’t think tb joshua is a man of god but through the signs which jesus said we will see with those who truely believes in him, who are his followers indeed. He didn’t said you must think on your own . O’thank you lord that I am not the one but I pray that you may forgive them with your grace, amen !
alfredwillie
@ALL:
HAPPY NEW YEAR! Lots of Love, Grace, Mercy and the Peace of the Lord Jesus Christ to you and yours this year 2014, may the Lord Jesus Christ meet us at the points of our needs this good year, Amen.
By the way, I mean healthy LOVE that comes as a true believer in the LORD JESUS CHRIST, not the fake and adulterated “love”, filled with partiality, greed and wickedness professed by some “you know who” prophet.
On the other hand, check out this response from one of the readers from Ryan’s the Blog that is really sad, it is soul wrenching (thanks to brother Just Wonder that led me there and I can see our friend “alfredwillie” is already a constant guest) =>
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Ogbonna Christian Anyanwu says:
December 25, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Hmmm. I have similar case. I am a Nigerian. I have visited the Synagogue Church of all Nations for the fifth time. I have been privileged to enter the prayer line twice.
My recent visit for the prayer line registration was on Thursday, 5th of December, 2013 where we were the Usher after checking or going through our Medical Reports hand picked few individuals and gabr them permit to the Prayer Line and asked the remaining multitude of people to assemble at the over flow
tent for a general prayer by one of the wise men – wiseman Christopher and after which we were asked to disperse without considering where er came from and Joe long er have spent in our various Hotels and transportation and feeding.
I came with the problem of diabetes & hypertension which need the attention of the wisrmen or the man of God but he is utterly difficult to see. Most times all prayer lines cannot be reached & when reached, no response.
Please let the man of God be accessible to the needy and not only those that has connections.
Thank you.
OC Anyanwu
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Note from the comment above: this man currently visited the place for the FIFTH time to get help, and still NOTHING, and he believes the “man of God” will heal him if only he can be accessible, according to him, ” to the needy and NOT ONLY to those that has CONNECTIONS”! Note also, the “prayer lines” he stated in the last paragraph that cannot be reached is mostly likely their telephone prayer lines, where they are insufferably rude and mostly likely to tell you to “keep watching Emmanuel TV” instead of make the effort to at least say a word of prayer.
GET OUT OF THESE DECEPTIONS PEOPLE AND BE FREE!
Source of OC Anyanwu’s comment:
http://tbjoshuaanswers.wordpress.com/2013/09/27/feedback-open-letter-to-prophet-tb-joshua/
People should learn how to set the power of God free by prayer. For own healing and others. Worshipp God in Spirit and Truth! And the power will be released. amen.
Thank you so much, Jamie.
Again, referring to Mr. OC Anyawu’s comment, the first paragraph “prayer line” he means is mostly likely the SCOAN physical standing prayer line where people are touched. Our brother Mr. Anyawu, according to his comment above, has entered, been “approved”, and stood on this prayer line TWICE!
Please, how many times does one have to enter that prayer line, to know it is a sham and that they should move on with their lives???
People that see paraded on Emmanuel TV with testimonies of healings are most likely people who happened to be healed by their own individual prayers or family prayers, but because they had gone to SCOAN before the healing manifested, they attribute the healing to TB Joshua and SCOAN, and run there to give testimonies, hence, heightening the arrogance of the SCOAN mastermind and his bragging rights.
Your brother, from which side (church)? Who sent him there ? Wasn’t the scheme of devil which once said to jesus if he is the son of god he must turn the bread to become bread ? Mmhhh,
Or may the one who said, if you are the son of god, save yourself from the cross ?
No maan, you and brother were there to tempt the man of god but apparently you failed becoz greater is he that is in tb joshua than he that is in you !
Wooowwww ! Wooowwww !
Amen !
alfredwillie
Considering that the poor guy was *approved* to the prayer line, and we know SCOAN demands that nobody come without an invite, it seems TBJ and his minions are the ones who failed. They managed to invite, approve, and then fail to heal a person who clearly believes in Tbj.
It must take a lot of effort to remin so blind, alfredwillie. Quite impressive.
If not healed who is fault is that but surely not the prophet, god knows why . I told you guys, you don’t know these things because are hidden for you. Come to true jesus christ of nazareth. Let the holy man of god connect you to him according to his requirements.
Yes, you have to register to visit the scoan as you have to register if you want to enter the kingdom of god.
I know you will not understand what I’m saying, but it’s not a problesm as long you are an anti-christ there is no need for you to know but only those who willingly repent.
God is great ” the year of crossing the bridge”, what this SPACE !
Amen.
alfredwillie
And you’re again attributing words that belong to Jesus to TBJ. Take care, brother. That is a dangerous thing to do.
Don’t worry sir, jesus christ is my father I will never do something wrong against him like you NEVER .
I have the life of god in me, the holy spirit of god, the same one who rose jesus from the dead dwells in me. Is he who guides me to the false wolfs like you, who revolt against his annointed ones, Particularly TB Joshau. Hallelujah !
alfredwillie
alfred, you have sure not the life of God in you, nor the Holy Spirit. You have no discernement, Nor any common sense. You better watch your mouth and pray for it. Listen young man, no-one needs a holy man to connect us to Jezus. We have the Spirit of Truth to guide us. If you call on to Jezus, He will make His home in you, with His father. No profhets needed for it. Be wiser, in state of a blaming, accusing, insulting hot-headed anoiting-junk. Stand up for the Truth, in steat of men. T
Which one I you talking about ?
Do you mean the one who is leading you to hell ? I’m sorry, Not for me, try next door.
What do I know for sure, if you have the holy spirit in you from our lord jesus christ of nazareth. You’ll be a new creation and everything will change and become new, including the behaviour which you don’t have. Before you open your mouth and push, you will think and ask him to direct you, not the way you do now. You want us to follow your wrong path instead of the man of god. Never, if tb joshua was not a man of god, for me and others we could not participate here to drug out the by force, no No we were going to go where the spirit in us will show, not to criticize and insult him No what is that ?
Thank you lord jesus to reveal these things to your choosen one.
We are crossing the bridge with you father in jesus name AMEN !
alfredwillie
If you know so much about me, alfredwillie, I would think that your prophetic and discerning abilities would have let you know by now that I am not a “Sir” but a “Mrs.” lol
Please describe my sin against Jesus? Please explain from Scripture how it is a sin not to follow TBJ? And remember, it is unacceptable to use any Scripture in doing so that refers to Jesus himself, because TBJ is not Jesus. Everything I am commanded to do for Jesus, I do. I will NOT do it for TBJ. He is NOT the messiah, NOT the savior, and NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION.
People who have satan spirit are no different, as satan competing with jesus christ. I am sorry for that, there is no other way to put it. You are of your father the devil, and the desire of your father you want to do it. As he was the murderer from the beginning, and he doesn’t stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks, HE SPEAKS FROM HIS OWN RESOURCES, for he is a liar and the father of it. Let cross the bridge with faith, please, led by the moses of the day, TB Joshua the MAN FROM GOD ! Amen.
Reading and beeing on internet slanders blog like this one is waisting time.
I dont need any-one to follow me. Every-one has to follow the path of Truth by own responsibility. Be sure when crossing the bridge to look-up to God for your guidiance. Dont trust men. Dont trust this profhet. He will even robb your inheritance. I am glad scoan is finally going to move some-where, after all thoose years going no-where. At last they have a plan to move. Many will fall, so be awakened. Have a great time. amen.
Alfred,
As you know. The Bible is our standard. Please tell me where does it say; “Yes, you have to register to visit the scoan as you have to register if you want to enter the kingdom of god”.
The Bible says;
Freely you have received; freely give – Math 10:8
Alfred,
Jesus is the BRIDGE for all mankind to get to God. 1 Timothy 2:5
Now here are the steps you need to take to get over the Bridge (Jesus) to God and Heaven.
Please take time to study these verses.
REPENT / CONFESS:
TURN from your wicked ways to TO GOD:
1. With sin we won’t get into heaven or (the waters of rest) – Isaiah 59:1-2
– Revelation 21:27
2. Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the Law
a. We know that the Law of God is spiritual
– Rom 7:7, 14 – Romans 2:23 – Mathew 5: 17-25
3. The Law of God – Exodus 20
– Deut 28
4. Jesus Christ our only solution for our sins – Romans 5:8
Isaiah 1: 18 -1 Peter 1:19 5 -Romans 5:1
a. Confess your sins – 1 John 1:9
b. Turn around / repent – Luke 13:3
c. Invite Jesus Christ into your heart – Revelation 3:20-21
6. Now you have the power to say you are a child of God- John 1:12,13
7. Now you’ve got eternal live in heaven or (the waters of rest) with God
-1 John 5:11-13
8. Be baptized in water after repentance and receive the Holy Spirit – in this proses the Lord will let you become Born Again through His Spirit
– Acts 2:38-39
9. Now the end of the commandments is charity/love – 1 Timothy 1:5
10. These things, that happened to the Israelites in the wilderness, are written down to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did – 1 Corinthians 10:6-13
Alfred,
You do NOT need to go trough TB Joshua to get to God. You can go directly to Jesus, to be able to get to Elohim – God the Father.
Hey you, I don’t go god . I never said if you want to go to god the bridge is the prophet. But to connect with him you have to ask the man of god Not you. There are people who are facing challenges here, why don’t you help them ?
Youbusy trying to destroy what other people are interested in and you want them to you? NOT for me and my house including those I know NEVER.
We have alread befefited from god and lack nothing from satan
alfredwillie
Hey M and Jamie,
Can’t you guys see that this Mr. alfred willie or whatever is smoking something? Dude, is dazed…
Quit replying to his ramblings as ridiculous as some of it might be and just present your info, because as you do so, you fuel it, let him go on. What is required for this kind is to let him go on, I am only sorry for TBJW who is forced to publish all the junk. The more you reply to his comments the more the substance TBJ has planted within by brainwashing mind control smoothness is kicking.
From his ramblings, I see he a newbie in the SCOAN thing, he has just found TB Joshua and has fallen in love with the whole SCOAN “Abracadabra”, he is still drunk with TB Joshua’s wine of deception, at this new stage to talk sense into him is totally useless, he is like a robot on one program…
Remember when some of us where in that “love” boat, TB Joshua could do no wrong then, until the wind blew and the chicken’s bottom was seen. So, Mr. alfredwillie is still in love…
You sound not mad but with evil spirit in and the middle one which doesn’t know his identity. But the fact remain , we are ruining and you like or not you are going to kneel down one day befor the man of god alone without your group of tikoloshes !
Mark ny WORDS.
alfredwillie
Never. I bow before Jesus Christ only.
Again, you blaspheme.
I know he’s a troll, angelica. I do. Either that or crazy. But I’m hoping rational responses to his rambling will help some who may be reading but not commenting.
alfred, do you have a mental problem? Read this site, and examine what your dear “man-of-God” has to hide. Kneeling for men? Are you kidding? You better kneel down for God, before you are getting more confused.
Kneel down in front of the man of God??? Alfred do u think b4 u type @all?? Cuz u write like someone that’s ignorant.
Alfredwillie knows what he is talking about.In many cultures,we kneel down as a sign of humbleness when greeting parents or elders, even when asking for forgiveness before the ones we have offended, it has nothing to do with worshipping whatever,so there is no big deal unless you think otherwise.
@alfredwillie,let these people pretending to have all wisdom of discernment to say whatever they want against TB Joshua.At least one thing is for sure,they cant do anything against the will of God who choses a simple man of God like TB Joshua to shame the strong and to confound the wiser and his discerments
1 Corinthians 1:27-29 “But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.”
1 Corinthians 1:19-21 “For it is written,“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”
Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach[a] to save those who believe.”
Alfred,please leave them alone to accuse and publish whatever they might wish against TB Joshua for God have hidden these things from the wise and his understanding and revealed them to little children; for such was His gracious will.
That’s revelation doesn’t come from the flesh and blood, NEVER , but only from the holy spirit of god.
Therefore, I take this opportunity to thank him and glorify him in the name of jesus christ of nazareth.
Guys, listen the holy spirit is talking to us with clear language that we can understand .
alfredwillie
Please for your information, in the body of Christ no one should be kneeling to anyone to ask anything, for reverence, for adoration, or for forgiveness, but to the Almighty Everlasting God, culture or no culture. If you like do it outside the Body of Christ, but not when you are in the midst of the brethren.
This is the same reason why Shedrach, Mishach and Abednego where cast into the fire because they refused to kneel to the image that King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon set up. Emmanuel TV, anointing water, stickers, wrist band and the whole brouhaha of SCOAN is the image that TB Joshua has set up including himself, for you all to worship and bow down to, it is the same pig but under a different name.
Stop twisting the bible to suit your own deceived purposes. TB Joshua is a deceiver and so are all the false Prophets and Pastors like him that bring glory to themselves in the pretense of serving God for their own selfish purposes. They use the Holy Name of the Son of God to do atrocities and wickedness just because instant judgment does not come upon them as a result of it, unlike in the days of the Old Testament.
You actually shot yourself in the foot by the bible quotation you quoted below:
1 Corinthians 1:19, “For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
1 Corinthians 1:27-29 “But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.”
Friend you are the one that is deceived and whose eyes have been closed that you take a mere man and lift up in the status of a demi-god because of his so called Miracles, Prophecies and his false alms giving. What did Jesus say about giving alms? Did he say we should publish it and announce it to the world so as to get Glory from men? Why would you want to change the Word of God and the instructions of Jesus Christ if you are a TRUE believer?
In fact, you should actually ascribed the quotation above this website and all the positive contributors to the exposure of this prophets, since majority of the people are all blinded to this fake popularity and fame seeking False Prophet Fatai Balogun that goes by TB Joshua, in the body of Christ. Even some people in the body of Christ are beginning to buy into his deception unlike before when the Holy Spirit first impressed upon them of the falsehood of this prophet, it is pathetic.
@mwasime:
Please for your information, in the body of Christ no one should be kneeling to anyone to ask anything, for reverence, for adoration, or for forgiveness, but to the Almighty Everlasting God, culture or no culture. If you like do it outside the Body of Christ, but not when you are in the midst of the brethren.
This is the same reason why Shedrach, Mishach and Abednego where cast into the fire because they refused to kneel to the image that King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon set up. Emmanuel TV, anointing water, stickers, wrist band and the whole brouhaha of SCOAN is the image that TB Joshua has set up including himself, for you all to worship and bow down to, it is the same pig but under a different name.
Stop twisting the bible to suit your own deceived purposes. TB Joshua is a deceiver and so are all the false Prophets and Pastors like him that bring glory to themselves in the pretense of serving God for their own selfish purposes. They use the Holy Name of the Son of God to do atrocities and wickedness just because instant judgment does not come upon them as a result of it, unlike in the days of the Old Testament.
You actually shot yourself in the foot by the bible quotation you quoted below:
1 Corinthians 1:19, “For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
1 Corinthians 1:27-29 “But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.”
My friend you are the one that is deceived and whose eyes have been closed that you take a mere man and lift up in the status of a demi-god because of his so called Miracles, Prophecies and his false alms giving. What did Jesus say about giving alms? Did he say we should publish it and announce it to the world so as to get Glory from men? Why would you want to change the Word of God and the instructions of Jesus Christ if you are a TRUE believer?
In fact, you should actually ascribed the quotation above this website and all the positive contributors to the exposure of this prophets, since majority of the people are all blinded to this fake popularity and fame seeking False Prophet Fatai Balogun that goes by TB Joshua, in the body of Christ. Even some people in the body of Christ are beginning to buy into his deception unlike before when the Holy Spirit first impressed upon them of the falsehood of this prophet, it is pathetic.
No my friend, christ is in us, not that we are in him, point of correction !
Washiping and kneeling down are two different things, but kneeling means in my culture Respect.
That’s why the bible says all the knees shall bow down becoz it is a sign of respect. Your bible say no respect for another but mine encourage respect because in us dwells the lord jesus christ.
When you kneel to tb joshua, understand o’please blind generation.
We don’t kneel to tb joshua but to the one in him come on .
alfredwillie
Yes my friend, Christ is in us, and we are in Christ.
Point of correction!
Therefore, if christ dwells in you, that’s means, the appearance of you doesn’t change, your name is still the same but when you perform his duties to those who believe you become the image of the one in you jesus christ therefore, the kneels bow down showing respect to the one who is in you NOT to you but to christ in you.
As you already said
If christ dwells in you, if christ lives in you, you are a new creation.
Or let me ask, don’t you know that we are his dwelling place ?
Now if we are his dwelling place, why can’t tb joshau cannot be also his dwelling place, WHY ?
Thank you lord for your love father !
alfredwillie
Just because Fatai Balogun has taken off his white flowing Muslim Kaftan garment and slippers, changed his name to “TB Joshua” to make it sound more suitable, and now wear suit and shoes, you conclude he is now a “true man of God” and an “anointed servant of God”.
He tries to surround himself with big names and so called “leaders” and “important” people and looks down on poor people and people of no social status, so as to give off the atmosphere and impression that he is a person of authenticity, authority and power. These has never been a proof of a true believer in Jesus Christ as is written in 1 John 2:15,” Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.”
A pig by any other name and design is still a pig. You can put a lipstick on a pig, it will still be a pig; put a designer suit and shoes and cover the pig in dollars and pounds, the pig will still act as a pig when it boils down to the nitty grity.
Wasn’t it Simon the Magician in Acts 8:9-24, who deceived so many people that they all believed that he had “the great power of God” in Samaria?
Acts 8:9-10 >
Now for some time a man named Simon had practiced sorcery in the city and amazed all the people of Samaria. He boasted that he was someone great, and all the people, both high and low, gave him their attention and exclaimed, “This man is rightly called the Great Power of God.”
In the body of Christ, no one of us should be regarded as a celebrity or elite, or the “special one” everyone is equal and we are all brethren even though we all have varying gifts, the only Master is Jesus Christ.
For anyone to lift up man such as TB Joshua and give him and exalted status as a special person among the body of Christ is sacrilege and abomination, even blasphemy to the suffering of Jesus Christ who ONLY shed his blood on the cross of Calvary for all us. TB Joshua or any other false prophet or glorified pastor out there did not shed their blood for you and I, so why should you lift him up above the rest of us just because of a mere gift of healing and prophecies, and that is if his gifts is truly from the Holy Spirit, and not from Syncretic Spiritualism of his past Islam roots.
It seems I am talking to the people who knows god,here. but it clear that they don’t know where is god.
And it seems these things I am talking here are new to them and it’s like it sound foolish to them.
Guys I don’t blame you, because wooow, the heavenly languages are not obtained but mainly reading the bible but if you think you have life in the bible that’s your business.
My life is in vhrist not in the bible
Haybo !
Thank you lord !
alfredwillie
alfred, so you mean that Christ in you, is bowing to the Christ in TB Joshua? Or do you believe that the Christ in TB Joshua is of more value then the Christ in you, so you bow for TB, and you call it respect? Does TB bows for you too? It is the same Christ. I can tell you, there is just ONE Gospel of the Truth, and this gospel is equal to all cultures. It is ONE message for humanity. It means; we obey the rules of the Bible, not of cultures. Thats the beauty of the Gospel. We dont have to follow ANY wordly or cutural habbit. The kneeling-cultural-habbit is the same as any domination-pattern, and it is not Bibly. Africans have strange ideas about respects. And what are the other cultures that have this same kneeling-habbit? I dont no any. In your african respect-habbit, even some christian women call their own husband ‘sir”. Do you realy believe this sort of respects has anything to do with the freedom we have in Christ?
Besides, why is Mr. Fatai Balogun aka “TB Joshua” hiding his Islam roots? If he is a TRUE Christian instead of hiding it, he should be proud that he came out it and should testify of it regularly and encourage people to come out of the false religion of Islam, but NO, instead, he lifts up this false religion and treats Muslims that come to consult him in his “church” organization like royalty.
Fatai Balogun accuses other false prophets and pastors like him of spiritualism, and indirectly talks against them pretending he is “delivering and exorcising” people from them, while he himself is a spiritualist of the highest order. In the kingdom of darkness, it is power against power, they compete against each for power and supremacy, no surprises, but this is not so in the TRUE Body of Christ where the best of us is the lowest servant. TB Joshua fights against his fellow spiritualist, competing against them to be the champion and richest amongst them, while the souls of innocent deceived people are matching to hell.
By the way, you followers of Mr. TB Joshua why does he place on his SCOAN altar, fruits to his “spirit guides”? The man is a “guru-shishya”. The true God Almighty does not take anymore of those sacrifices as Jesus Christ His Son has already sacrificed Himself once and for all. God is no more taking offering of chickens, goats, bulls, pigeons, fruits, etc., any other person offering this on their “church” altar is calling on another “Jesus”. Even if you put a cross or a picture of a supposed “Jesus”, it does not make any difference, that sacrifice is still NULL and VOID, Jesus Christ suffering on the cross has already done it all.
@alfredwillie, you are talking to the people who knows the bible only but the truth from it, is hidden to them.
“Emmanuel TV broadcast, anointing water, stickers, wrist band ,fruits,wrist beads “are all foolishness but we all know that God chose foolish things to confound the wise and so God has done it through prophet TB Joshua then we can see how much it has brought confusion to the wise and their discernments.
Alfred,let them keep on their “Fatai Muslim pig” discernment, if God has hidden the truth from them to confound their wisdom, I think to argue with them is to waste your precious time.
@alfredwillie, you are talking to the people who knows the bible only but the truth from it, is hidden to them.
“Emmanuel TV broadcast, anointing water, stickers, wrist band ,fruits,wrist beads ” whatever they want ,are all foolishness for them but we all know that God chose foolish things to confound the wise and so God has done it through prophet TB Joshua and we can see how much it has brought confusion to the wise and their discernments.
Alfred,let them keep on their “Fatai Muslim pig” discernment for if God has hidden the truth from them to confound their wisdom, I think to argue with them is to waste your precious time.
Yes, you know it but don’t understand it. Let me tell you and watch my word, you not understand it until you may see the holy spirit , jesus christ in tb joshua and you will perish with your stupid and fooling poor understanding because of your ignorance and jelous attitude
alfredwillie
Angelica, thank you for your recent posts. They are all right on target.
As for kneeling, the Bible is the Word of GOD. The Word of God trumps every cultural norm. Just because “it’s cultural” does not mean Christians may participate in it. Just like beating up congregants may be culturally acceptable, or beating your wife, or killing your neighbor in a feud. There are cultures where those things are OK and justified by “culture.” According to the Word of God, however, they are all 100% unacceptable behavior for Christians.
Is TBJ greater than the Apostle Peter? Is he greater than God’s angels? No he is not. He is a man. He is a pastor who is unaccountable to any authority and making every effort to glorify himself, not Jesus.
Even *if* he was a “man of God”, there is plenty of Scripture, which should be his standard, and plenty of example from the Apostles themselves.
Acts 10:25: Peter tells Cornelius “Stand up. I too am just a man.” If TBJ wants to be an apostle of God, he ought to say that every time someone kneels in front of him. Instead, he revels in his power to make people humiliate themselves before him.
JESUS CHRIST, God-with-us, Almighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, modeled himself as a SERVANT in his behavior. He was the one kneeling down, to wash his disciples’ dirty feet. He served them. And then he willingly put aside his power, his position, and laid his own life down for them, and for us.
In comparison, TBJ is nothing. Absolutely nothing. And so are we. Jesus Christ is all. “He must increase, and we must decrease.” Those are the words a true apostle and prophet says.
Then who are you ?
Jesus ?
Peter and tb joshua !
Why peter said stand up according to your presumption ?
alfredwillie
Nope. I am not Jesus. And I am not Peter. I’m not an apostle, nor a prophet. I am a simple believer in Jesus Christ. I do not claim to deserve power and authority over other people, and I do not desire that. I do not desire for people to kneel before me. God forbid anyone should try that.
You can read. Peter explained exactly why he said stand up, in the very same sentence. Kneeling is an act of reverance and worship when it is done in a spiritual context. It is inappropriate for Christian believers to do. It is inappropriate for Christian believers to allow anyone to kneel to them. It directly contradicts Christ’s commands and the rest of Scripture’s urging fo us to be humble servants, not grasping after social status within the church.
Again, I ask, if it is purely a matter of “cultural respect”, where are the videos of TBJ kneeling down in humble respect to others? Pope Francis, leader of a religious organization far, far more vast than SCOAN, has literally bowed down to wash the feet of the most outcast and rejected in society. Has TBJ washed your feet? Anyone’s? No. He stepped on a crippled man’s legs, in one of his false heelings, but that’s not quite the same, is it? Like Francis, does he sneak out of SCOAN to care for the poor and indigent in secret, trying to avoid being “caught”? No. He makes sure he has his camera men and a script so that everybody knows right away how charitable he is. There is zero humility in the behavior of TBJ. That disqualifies him from leadership in the church, though it certainly isn’t the only disqualifier.
I gues it is a great misstake , to believe, that the rest of the world has to respects his cultural habbits of TB Joshua. The Gospel is supreem freedom. Jezus did not died, so african cultural habbits have their rights to become the standard of His Gospel. As far as I can see; africa has developed a private Gospel, a black Gospel, with their own interpretations and rules. And it seems that everything is allowed, to receive their “respects”. Abusings, kneelings, humiliation, slander, violence,robbing, mis-leading, hierarchic systems, etc. A fact is, it has NOTHING to do with the Gospel of Christ Jezus. Realy nothing. It is old-testaments-religion. Maybe one day africa will find the own identiy in Christ.
Jaime, I didn’t see this post of yours earlier. I rebuked mwasime over the “black gospel/white gospel” thing. I want to caution you as well. There are many, many Christians in Africa who want nothing to do with this TBJ garbage. Many. To say this is all Africans is incorrect and it gives TBJ and those like him far more acknowledgement than they deserve. They have not overtaken Africa, and frankly Christianity thrived and flourished before TBJ and the other scammers ever made their appearance.
If I have misunderstood you, I apologize. But mwasime is right, if I’m going to criticize, I need to be consistent.
The african love of Jezus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOjTzPh2bn8.
We rest in the finished Works of Jezus Christ, and all the rest is mens-visions and works. amen.
“We don’t kneel to tb joshua but to the one in him come on .”
If that is true, then why does he not also kneel to you? If you are a believer, Christ is in you too.
And if it is because of cultural respect, again, why does he not also kneel to you? He is required to respect others, not just gain respect.
TB Joshua kneels to no one. Because it is not about kneeling to “Christ in others” and it is not about respect. You kneel to him because you revere him above other men, in a blasphemously worshipful way. Just admit it. Honesty and integrity are good things.
Because but there is no need to tell these things for you will continue to be ignorant and have lack of knowledge.
You suppose to be fool so that the scripture may be fulfilled
alfredwillie
mm-hm. You have no answer and no defense, so you go to ad hominem attack. Do you think you are the first person to do this? You’re not. This is exactly what we have come to expect from SCOAN followers.
We have a nice peaceful place in christ jesus. You will never hear us busy to destroy other people’s beliefs because we don’t have time, our time is limited.
Jesus want us, to get him a place to stay. I know you don’t understand that but being of the world there is no need for me to explain.
The fools says there is no god in their hearts . You can explain and show the testimonies, but fools are foolls .
Amen !
alfredwillie
Haha. Peaceful? Why then do your fellow tbj followrs frequently resort to cursing and threats of death? Both here and on the Facebook page?
Nobody on this blog has said there is no God. Belief in tbj is not a prerequisite for belief in God.
Nobody is curse here and facebook either but the truth is revealed.
How can you be so blind, not to see that these people they have something greater than the one in you?
alfredwillie
Your denial is irrelevant. We’ve read those things. They are freely available to read in the comments on this site and the facebook page.
And this demonstrates very clearly why SCOAN is a cult. You guys do not make the Bible, the living Word of God, your standard. You use it only when you can twist it to support doctrines made up by the man you worship. When confronted, you relegate the Bible to the place of an old dead book, and claim you have new and better revelation because you, and you alone, are the only church that is aquainted with God.
If you had eyes to see, you would notice that this behavior is absolutely classic cult behavior. Every cult that has departed from Christianity has done exactly this thing. Exactly. It’s called proof-texting, and you are very good at it, but you are not fooling us. You’ve made it clear that if you are forced to weigh TBJ’s words and the Scripture, you will choose TBJ over God’s Word. You’ll drop the Bible like a hot potato if it calls any of his doctrines into question.
• alfredwilli …………….Guys I don’t blame you, because wooow, the heavenly languages are not obtained but mainly reading the bible but if you think you have life in the bible that’s your business……………….
My life is in vhrist not in the bible
Haybo !
Thank you lord !
alfredwillie
alfredwilli – Make God’s Word the Standard for your life and NOT tbj, because the Word of God will judge you in the last day. Do not add or subtract. Not even if ‘a man of God or an angel’ adds anything;
Jesus says;
48 He that rejects Me and receives not My Words has one that JUDGE him: THE WORD that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day- John 12:48-50
• The Word of God says;
• “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God” ……… 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who IS HIMSELF GOD – John 1:1
• The Word of God also says;
Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it 9because if what someone else says), but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you– Deut 4:2
So if you think there is life outside of what is in the WORD OF GOD you are deceiving yourself.
2. mwasime says:
3. January 4, 2014 at 12:28 pm
4. Alfredwillie knows what he is talking about. In many cultures,we kneel down as a sign of humbleness when greeting parents or elders, even when asking for forgiveness before the ones we have offended, it has nothing to do with worshipping whatever,so there is no big deal unless you think otherwise.
o alfredwillie says:
January 4, 2014 at 2:35 pm
That’s revelation doesn’t come from the flesh and blood, NEVER , but only from the holy spirit of god.
• Now let us see what the Word of God says again;
• The Word of God says and rebukes;
Mark 7:13
13 You are making the Word of God of NO effect through your TRADITION, which ye have delivered and many such like things do ye.
It was because of Peter’s knowledge that bowing is an honour that is due to God and Jesus alone, that he declined to receive it from Cornelius.
The Bible account about this incident is as follows: “And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself also am a man.” (Acts 10: 25, 26) Peter’s reply shows clearly that mortal man is not in a position to accept the honour of bowing, because it signifies worship in the sense of respect that is higher than that to be done to human beings. “I am a man like anyone else,” said Peter.
What is more, even an angel did refuse to be worshipped by John. In his own account of the wonderful, awe-inspiring Revelation he received from God through an angel, the apostle stated: “And I John saw these things and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things. Then said he unto me; “See thou do it not, for I am thy fellow servant and of thy brethren the prophets and of them which keep the sayings of this book. Worship God.” – Revelation 22: 8, 9.
Brother/ sister whatever,
I don’t need your blind advice, look here, you cann’t even tell me, what does it mean when they say,
Jesus in flesh !
In 1 john 4
The apostle of christ says ; every spirit that acknowledge;s that jesus christ has come in the flesh is from god.
You cannot tell me, what does this mean. Jesus has come in flesh .
Tb joshau cannot kneel before me, because god says so.
For your information record; there are diversities of gifts, but the same spirit. There are differences of ministers, but the same spirit. Jonga ke, the manifestation of the spiirt is given to each one for the profit of all, as it is happening through tb joshua.
Paul says, not you hypocrete, he says to me, there is no one speaking by the spirit of god calls jesus is lord except by the holy spiirit.
I am not shcked and suprized because what do you expect from a jealous, business person who use jesus as the product to sell ?
alfredwillie
alfredwillie, you truly are a twister of the Word of God. You say “Jesus came in the flesh” means Jesus lives inside TB Joshua.
*If* (and that is a big if) TBJ is a believer, there is no more Jesus in him than in the rest of us. All believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and “we are in Christ, and he in us” is applicable to *all* believers. There are none who get a “greater portion” of Jesus, much less for the purpose of garnering power over others.
The obvious meaning of that Scripture is that Jesus took on human flesh, *himself*, came to be with us, walk on the earth himself, and suffer our punishment for us. It was not TB Joshua walking around 2,000 years ago. It was Jesus. In his own body. Not TBJ. Not anybody else. Jesus. In the flesh. When he returns, it will be as himself. He is not a water spirit or a demon who needs to take over someone else’s body. He is the Creator of the Universe, not a puppet master.
If TB Joshua cannot kneel before you, as an expression of cultural respect and humility, then you prove by your own words that your kneeling is indeed to worship him not a matter of “culture”. It was obvious to all of us that the cultural excuse was a poor defense and a lie, but you have proved it to be so. Thank you.
@M.,
This what you say will only proof it is not the Holy Spirit in TB Joshua operating but a powerful spirit/demon that directs the worship that belongs to God to himself. It is like Isaiah 14:12-17 all over again.
Isaiah 14:12-17
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof;
that opened not the house of his prisoners?
And so do his followers and brainwashed pastors, including his demon infested leaders, disciples, by worshipping him in what does not belong to him but to God and Jesus only. What to do ? We know that God will allow for them to believe the lie, written in II Thessalonians 2.
Finished works of Christ, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZwajmxBfCw&list=PLMj0H8ZFGuewnUzyGeWTnvDlIgmavsLa_&index=1
Mwasime and alfredwillie,
I hope that you are not also into ancestral worship as is your customs in your culture!
In the African Culture they even bow down and worship dead ancesters, which the Bible vehemently forbids. So if you two are still doing this, you will be under God’s curse. With or without TB Joshua in your life.
Ancestor worship involves religious beliefs and practices consisting of prayers and offerings to the spirits of dead relatives. Ancestor worship is found in many cultures all across the world. Prayers and offerings are made because it’s believed the spirits of ancestors live on in the natural world and are thus able to influence the futures and fortunes of the living relatives. Ancestors’ spirits are also thought to act as mediators between the living and the Creator.
The Bible tells us in Exodus 20:3-6 that we are not to worship any god or ancester other than the Lord God. Furthermore, since diviners and sorcerers were thought to be able to contact the dead, they were also expressly forbidden by God (Exodus 22:18; Leviticus 19:32, 20:6, 27; Deuteronomy 18:10-11; 1 Samuel 28:3; Jeremiah 27:9-10).
Satan has always sought to supplant God and he uses lies about worshipping other gods and even ancestors to try to lead people away from the truth of God’s existence. Ancestor worship is wrong because it goes against God’s specific warnings about such worship and it seeks to replace Jesus Christ as the Divine Mediator between God and mankind.
And I have never heard TB Joshua warn his people against being involved in bowing before the dead ancesters.
Where did get that rubish waste?
For your information, we did throwed it where it belong and forget ever existed and you still have it in your durty mind as it is the place to keep rubish.
Thank you lord to save me from this blind generation !
alfredwillie
hmmm,Is this immoral and cultural occult kneeling of worshipping also from Africa and black gospel?
The origin of all atrocities,Abusings, kneelings, humiliation, satanic occult worshipping,ritual sacrifice blad shed,ritual sexual immorality and violence are all come from Europe and Asie.The white gospel is all involved in satanic destruction and has destroyed the true gospel of Jesus Christ.
Oh please mwasime. There is no white gospel or black gospel. Neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, remember!? There is only one Gospel, that of
jesus Christ.
nobody here has tried to justify the sins of other cultures. No matter what the culture, if the behavior goes against Scripture, believers must not participate. Western Christians are actually quite willing to acknowledge the sins in our culture. We complain about our own culture frequently and loudly.
You tried to justify misbehavior by culture, and you have been confronted. Your jumping to claim other cultures are worse than yours is typical denial. And it’s quite honestly ridiculous.
I am touched by the word of god in his holy bible where jesus said ;
Foxes have holes and birds of heaven have nests, but the son of man has no where to lay his head.
That’s why his further in other portion of the scripture ; raise the dead, heal the sick, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive-out demons.
Does this instruction exclude tb joshua, if yes, how and why ?
In matthew 11v24 jesus said himself ; all things are given to him by his father, and no-one knows the son except the father. Nor does anyone know the father except the son, and the one to who the son will reveal.
But now it didn’t say but O not tb joshua to all the people.
Therefore, tb joshua is the one jesus reveal to me, you and to the world, in jesus name Amen !
alfredwillie
Foxes have holes and birds of heaven have nests, and the “man of God” has an executive suite on a multimillion dollar church campus, a harem of young women, a fleet of luxury cars, millions of donated dollars in the bank and a wardrobe full of designer clothes.
Are you shocked and surprized ?
Don’t belive me when I say ; you are of this world therefore, you will never know these things.
Let me tell you somethings, you are talking about the chosen generation, royal priest hood, a holy nation, his own special people, that are proclaiming the praises of him who call the out of darkness into marvelous light, unlike you who despise to bow down before the righteous one of god, whereas the bible says ;
You must bow down before the righteous .
The bible says; for you know the grace of our lord jesus christ, that though he was rich, yet for our sake he became poor, so that through his poverty we might become rich.
Thank lord jesus for hidding these things to them and reveal them to them children, Amen !
alfredwillie
Paul, a servant of christ says; Bondservants, be obedient to those who are their masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to christ: not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as bondservants of christ, doing the will of god from the heart.
With goodwill doing service, as to the lord, and not to men.
Knowing that whateve good anyone does, he receive the same from the lord, whether his a slave or free.
When I say, you will oneday bow down in front of tb joshau, Blind generation, I mean you will bow down to whom in tb joshua , but not to tb joshau as you presumpt.
There is the holy one in that flesh and blood.
Yes, I am also one of his dwelling place and in me too, there is this spiritual gift residing in me, praise the lord. But there are diversities of gifts, as the bible says ; there are differences of ministers, but the same lord Jesus christ.
There are diversities of activities, but it is the same god who works all in all.
According to paul, in 1 correnthians 12 v 7 the manifestation of the spirit is given to each one for the profit of all.
That is why I am not jealous of the man of god tb joshua and submit my sellf as commanded by christ jesus apostles.
Amen !
alfredwillie
M,you are so ridiculous that you noticed “white or black”gospel in my comment but never noticed it in your friend Jamie!Actually I did it to shame you when your people are always after Africa as if all negative things must be from Africa.
No,you never complain anything about your western culture frequently and loudly,NEVER,but what you did is to jump on Africa as if its “cultures” is worse than yours as we can read it all here.So pathetic that you only see bad things from others but never see so from you.
And that film is a cart full of conspiracy theorist poop. Seriously. There certainly has been perversion, witch craft, sin, and failure in Western and Asian cultures. But if you think that African cultures are devoid of those things, you must have an infantile grasp of your own history.
It is fascinating to me that SCOAN followers loudly blather about “racism” and people hating TBJ because he’s African. The only people that *ever* bring race up are SCOAN followers. You LOVE division, because you know the racial issue distracts and confuses, so you throw that up whenever you find rational discussion too much to deal with.
Doesn’t work. There are plenty of Africans who have a problem with TBJ. His first problem is with his fellow Nigerian Pentecostals. Conrad Mwebe is outspoken against him. Nairaland and other news sites are full of Africans commenting *against* him, not just for him. Because of this, your claims of racism will always fail. Even if you take away the white people that you apparently hate, there are plenty of Africans that you will still have to contend with, because there are plenty of Africans who have a solid grasp of Scripture and Christian doctrine and who recognize TBJ for the fraud and the sorcerer that he is.
Which “racism”?Did you read the word racism in my comments? I think you feel guilty of something.
If you read careful all comments,you may find that I was not me who started the word “black, Africans or Africa” but my comment was a response on that.
Andw since you failed to notice it in the first place in your friends comments and address it,
I thought you will be happy to hear the word “white or Europe” too.But helas,the hypocrites are busy to see bad in others but never see that in themselves,How PATHETIC!
Take care “HYPOCRITES”Christians! I am out because it is useless to argue with people whom God has blinded with their boastful “wisdom”.
mwasime, your assertions are bullshit. I’m sorry but they are. I live in the West. There is a *constant* and ongoing complaint from Christians here about our own culture. Constant. Immorality, homosexuality, divorce, apathy of faith…believe me, all you have to do is turn on Christian talk radio in America and you will hear endless complaint about our own cultures failures. So, as I said, your claim is bullshit.
I am not Jaime. I am not responding to Jaime. I am responding to you. And I NEVER said that all cultures in Africa are bad. I don’t think Jaime did either, tbh, but perhaps he/she will correct me as needed.
The only reason culture was brought up at all is because YOU excused unBiblical behavior saying it’s cultural. The Bible trumps culture. Any cultural behavior that opposes Scripture is unacceptable. African, Asian, European, whatever. We were talking about reverencing men by kneeling particularly when those men claim, or have followers claim, that they are in some way a messiah or a “container” of Jesus in a way no other man is. That is wrong, unBiblical, and inexcusable by “well, it’s our culture.” That is the limit of my reference to culture, African or otherwise. If an American man says “Well, it’s normal in our culture for men to look at porn, so that’s OK for me.” I will tell him that’s bullshit too. Because that’s my point. Culture absolutely must not be our standard as christians. You are working hard to avoid that point by drawing it into a black vs. white issue.
You think you know me, but you don’t. For instance, you are not aware that I *married* an African, and have great appreciation and respect for his particular culture which has an amazing history and has produced many beautiful, wonderful people, architectures, artworks, and ideas. Our children are beautiful and I hope that they will grow up with great pride in the African part of their heritage, acknowledging that both cultures they come from have many good things, and also many failures, because we are all human and that is the state of humanity. So, your attempts at racial guilting are useless with me.
And No,I never justified sins of some cultures but all cultures are not sins. I only justified a culture that evokes respect in humility and humbleness.
We are in 21 century but still powerful tradition or culture involving to bow down before kings and queens are still taking place in the so “holy place” Europe? Oh No what ? where has gone their wisdom then? Are all Christians in Europe not equal in their mind? what happened to the “western Christianity” then? where are the “europeans” wise and scribes?
Note that it is stated that Queen Elisabeth is also a “Christan”!
Oh come on Hypocrites of today,dont tell me that if it happens that M and his friends here, are invited in the presence of her “majesty” the queen, they will refuse categorically to bow or they can never and EVER bow before any so called”king or queen” because they are “so much” Christians than all people who can do so, really? Say it again please. I wish to see this group of “hypocrites” in the presence of this “queen” Elisabeth and see how they may refuse to bow if the princes and princesses can do so??The most blind people ever ,are the hypocrites “western” Christians!
And because of their boastful Christianity, God has chosen to confound them with their hypocrite “wisdom” and “discernment”
“There certainly has been perversion, witch craft, sin, and failure in Western and Asian cultures”
Now that I showed you a proof that witch craft and all atrocities don’t come from Africa only,there is no way you can boast again.And why cant you first address your failures before jumping on Africa.Think about it hypocrites ! see you.
See above, mwasime. You showed me nothing. I am fully aware of Western history.
I, personally, said nothing about witchcraft until you started babbling. I addressed your faulty justification of reverencing men by kneeling to them as ok because “it’s culture.” You can continue trying to disctract from that point, but you will fail. It is not OK for any man from any culture to kneel before TBJ, for any reason. He is not Jesus, we do not bow the knee to him.
I myself,saw TB Joshua kneeling down before an old woman(who was accused by his children of witchcraft )asking her to forgive them because she was refusing to forgive.
This woman was not Jesus but he did so as a sign of culture.When we were kids and do not follow our parents instructions,we would kneel down to ask them to forgive us and not to punish us and our parents are not Jesus either.Your attempt of false accusations by twisting things to make them so big,does not work with me either,you have failed.To worship involves the spirit not just the sign of kneeling or bowing.And what I m talking about,has nothing to do with worshipping “man”whatever.
Thi video above is meant to show you the hypocrites that up till now the cultures are still followed and the Christians are not excluded.
If you were not so blinded with your bullshit “wisdom”,you would have known that all cultures are not sins.
Certainly no one would like to bow or kneel before any human being but if there is no choice,what would you do?
In such situation,the bible instruct us not to worry if we must face such inequality between man kind in this world but do not have any other choice.
1 Corinthians 7:20-22 “Each man must remain in that condition in which he was called.Were you called while a slave? Do not worry about it; but if you are able also to become free, rather do that. 22For he who was called in the Lord while a slave, is the Lord’s freedman; likewise he who was called while free, is Christ’s slave”
Don’t tell me that if M,was in the same shoes with Prince William and Kate,M would have raised the voice and tell the queen:”look,Elizabeth,I won’t bow before you because you are not Jesus” Hypocrites,are you sure you would have done so??hmm,I still doubt.
In our culture we say”it is so easy to boast that we can run faster than a lion when we do not live in a jungle”
M,Yours are more bullshit as all your rubbish accusations. And if you were not Jamie why would you answer my comment which was not directed to you???The racial attempt was first brought by your friends.If You were not an hypocrite,you would have not skip your friends racial comments to address mine?you are totally an hypocrite and all your false accusations do not work with TB Joshua and must fail as always!Before addressing any one’fault first address yours and your friends here!
M has already responded to Jamie for that comment, she had not noticed it when responding to you. Let’s leave this issue behind. Closing this thread.
1. We are discussing kneeling in a spiritual context, reverencing a “prophet” or a man who supposedly has extra Christ in him above other Christians.
But 2. I come from a faith background that includes many people who were willing to die rather than bow their knee to any man, including kings. I do not bow to anyone but Christ.
People who are Christians can be incorrect and still be Christian. I never said you are not a believer. I said your justification of bowing to TBJ is incorrect.
So no, you cannot apply the term “hypocrite” to me. Nice try though. Your accusation of boastfulness is quite hilarious.
You are the one discussing kneeling in a spiritual context not me.
Even in my first comment,my justification was in a physical context but you made it yourself to look like spiritual till this time.Therefore you are an hypocrite.
I never said you should bow before TB Joshua,for me I don’t care ,but what was my point,is to clarify that kneeling in our culture has nothing to do with your false insinuation even if you still accusing me as such,that is quite nonsensical and ridiculous than what you think of me.