Fake deliverance at SCOAN

A reader recently made us aware of a video of the ex-Pastor of SCOAN Athens being delivered over a year ago from a “spirit of lust and anger that caused him to be disgraced”. This is the same man who is now the subject of allegations of sexual abuse from 4 young women, and was recently described by Wise Man Harry as a “rude, disobedient, disrespectful and full of anger man”.

Two things should be observed here:

1) SCOAN are allowing “demon possessed” people to lead their branches

At the time of the deliverance, SCOAN Athens was still a fully functioning official branch. The man being delivered from demons was the pastor authorised by TB Joshua to lead this branch of his ministry. There are videos online of nearly all the foreign SCOAN leaders and disciples being dramatically delivered from demons, which leads you to wonder why they were ever chosen to lead within SCOAN? Who wants to be part of a church who’s leaders are crawling with demons? As it happens, the people who we know who have dedicated their lives to SCOAN were exemplary Christians, the fact they sacrificed successful careers, education and many other things to pursue full time ministry at SCOAN is testament to their desire to serve God with everything they had. These were exactly the kind of people you would be happy to see in church leadership…. nothing like the crazed, staring, demon-manifesting people we see after years of service to SCOAN. If this is what SCOAN does to you, keep as far away as possible.

2) Deliverance at SCOAN does not work

Or at least it didn’t seem to work in the case of the ex-Athens pastor, and this is far from the only deliverance fail we are aware of. Many years ago TB Joshua conducted a crusade in Australia. There was a well broadcast deliverance of a woman during this crusade, culminating in TB Joshua proclaiming her free, and even bizarrely claiming that her deliverance resulted in 5000 other people being set free. Giles was a disciple at the time, he says that “she later came to Lagos, and I was surprised to see her no different. She had come for more deliverance, and she was behaving the same way. Obviously she was not delivered in Australia.” There are also the well publicised cases of Nigerian celebrities such as Tonto Dike and Jim Iyke who TB Joshua has famously delivered, but without resulting in any visible change in lifestyle.

This is more evidence that you can’t trust anything you see on Emmanuel TV.

I wonder why today’s men in religion like publicizing deliverances and even bringing shame on those being delivered. Is this the way and will of God? Is it a way of attracting people for business or what? I would rather watch someone preach the word on TV and the rest should be done off TV or off screen. We need the word of truth on TVs more than deliverances and miracles. In fact Satan is more scared of the truth than miracles/deliverances. The truth liberates and the pure word of God is like fire.

 – goyethereforeblog

 

70 thoughts on “Fake deliverance at SCOAN

    • This is our busness with tb j!
      http://darandu.hpage.co.in/tb-joshua-false-prophet-and-anti-christ_99348031.html
      3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality or of any kind of impurity or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person–such a man is an idolater–has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them. 8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord.
      11 HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FRUITLESS DEEDS OF DARKNESS, BUT RATHER EXPOSE THEM.
      12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, 14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”

  1. How long will people close their eyes to the truth? 😦 The fact that SCOAN lies and deceives regularly, intentionally, and shamelessly is so obvious and glaring. It is a shame that people are so, so desperate for the power promised that they will accept any lie told them. 😦

  2. This is not my true name but I wish to make a statement. Those who hear this story will know my name anyhow. I respectfully ask that my name is not used on this blog. I was a disciple at SCOAN Lagos when Andreas was SENT by TB Joshua to Greece. He was sent to open a church in Athens. I personally was sent to Athens with the commission to tell Andreas that the church had to start the Sunday after I arrived. That was the instruction from the prophet himself; that instruction was given to me and I passed it on accurately. Any video of the opening of the church will show statements that explain what I have just stated. The church was very much part of SCOAN While I was there we communicated regularly (almost everyday) and I can assert that neither Andreas nor myself would have dreamed of starting the work without TB Joshua’s authorisation. On top of that the funds that hired the old cinema and raised the signage etc were all from Lagos. It was money given to commence worship in Lagos. If I remember correctly it was American Square in Athens, or something similar.
    As far as the quotes are concerned if anybody gets hold of TL Osborn’s book “The Good Life,” they will see clearly a large number of “Quotable Quotes” in volumes 1 and 2 are straight from that volume. Even the phrase, “The Magic of saying what Jesus Christ Says” that is on the front cover of my copy of volume one was taken from Osborn’s classic book. In later editions of the book, because of criticism for using the word “magic” Osborn changes the phrase to, “The Power of saying what Jesus Christ says.
    I knew this from my first days in Lagos and thought nothing of it. There was always a huge difference between what the Nigerian workers said about him, and what he himself said. I personally never heard T B Joshua claim originality for the quotes. I heard the Nigerian youngsters attribute the songs they sang, the quotes and everything else on the campus to him. When I asked him a couple of times privately about some of the things the Nigerians told me he had done or said he just smiled.
    This “comment” post is true as far as I am concerned. I hear much of the criticism you throw at him. In my stay at SCOAN I personally found no fault in Him. I could not say the same about the folks that surrounded him there. They were too immature, too ignorant of anything beyond their SCOAN lives. However, some of the miracles and deliverances, as well as the prophecies and insights I cannot deny were heavenly, powerful and life changing.
    However, Wiseman Hari (not Harry) arrived at SCOAN late on in my stay I think. I have vague memories of his face when I was there. I may be wrong, but I do not think Hari was there while Athens Church was opened. My assumption is that he knows nothing of how it started and may have been lied to, and I do not necessarily mean that he was lied to by the prophet. To be frank I wouldn’t trust some of those workers if they told me what day it was.
    I was once very happy to have been sent to the PMAN conference in Lagos where TB Joshua had been invited to speak. He asked me to speak in his stead. I was extremely happy to do so. PMAN was the “Trade Union” of all the musicians and entertainers that were famous in Nigeria. I was honoured. “Charlie Boy,” the big man there (Nigerians will know who I mean),was so angry that I arrived with half a dozen Nigerian workers from SCOAN. They told him that the prophet was coming later. I knew he was not. Charlie Boy said to me, “I will ask the white man, I know he will not lie. Is TB Joshua coming later?” I refused to answer. If I lied and said “Yes” I would have seared my own conscience on the issue. If I han spoken the truth and said “No!” I could not guess how the Nigerian “brothers” would have responded. (By the way – one of those Nigerian workers there is now one of the “Wise Men.” It may have been two of them actually. Not sure. ) When we were back in the prophet’s office they all critcised me to the prophet’s face for not having lied to “Charlie Boy.” The prophet met my eyes and smiled and then said something, I think in my defence, in Yuruba. One of the most annoying features of my time in Lagos was when the Nigerian workers would get annoyed with a foreigner (and they got annoyed regularly) and then talk to each other in one’s presence in Yuruba.
    I put the blame for that on the worker’s, not on the prophet.
    BB

    • I appreciate your thoughtful comment, and at least your honesty about some of what is wrong at SCOAN and the way people do attribute honor to him inappropriately.

      But what I think you are missing is that TBJ himself is NOT faultless in this. He is very clever, yes. But with the same kind of cleverness of others who allow a cult of personality to develop around themselves. He does not have to call himself a messiah. He simply has to allow others to name him so, and broadcast it on his TV programming and youtube. In not shutting this stuff down, immediately, firmly, EVERY TIME IT HAPPENS, he is absolutely at fault. In broadcasting these blasphemous proclamations on his television programming, which he KNOWS people in SCOAN view as practically equivalent in authority to Scripture, HE IS AT FAULT.

    • Thanks for your contribution Brian. I assume you are no longer associated with SCOAN? I understand your continued loyalty to TB Joshua, but he has to take responsibility for the culture he has created around him. If you are a leader to many people who believe you are a messiah, you are responsible for that. If you distribute copywrited content without attribution, and your followers automatically attribute it to you, you are responsible for that too. If your followers routinely lie on your behalf, that is your problem at least as much as it is theirs. What you describe is a lot of rotten fruit amongst his followers, but if TB Joshua is a mighty man of God as the legend says, why are so many of his followers behaving like this? I’ve been in several churches in my lifetime, all of them imperfect (of course!), but none of them come close to the rotten fruit seen from SCOAN.

      Anyway, thanks for dropping by, your contributions are always welcome, and if you were happy to discuss your experiences more offline (confidentially), feel free to email tbjoshuawatch@hotmail.co.uk

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  3. it is especially dangerous and harmful to many un guarding folks to see how they are eager and achy to receive the parts of the truth as it is preached at scoan mingled with so much error , it is no different to eating good food which has been poisoned deep inside. many a folk is ready to be delivered out of poverty or sickness instead of to seek the soon coming kingdom of our lord jesus Christ. I highly recommend this enlightening work u guys at here are doing so far. God will reward u surely for warning multitudes to come out of HER!!!

  4. Jeremiah stated…………..”One may ask rightfully, then why did all this happen? Well….the truth of the matter is this: for the last couple of months allegations had been made against the pastor (of the Greece branch), who actually one may ask rightfully, then why did all this happen? Well….the truth of the matter is this: for the last couple of months allegations had been made against the pastor, who actually had left in January to go to SCOAN LAGOS, for “training” as we were told. During that period, his wife had taken over when the above allegations came to light. No more, no less, four female members/workers of the church accused the pastor of sexual abuse for the past three years. During that period, his wife had taken over when the above allegations came to light. No more, no less, four female members/workers of the church accused the pastor of sexual abuse for the past three year”…………
    My question:
    1. The pastor of the Greek scoan branch, who actually had left in JANUARY to go to SCOAN LAGOS, for “training” as we were told?
    2. Had been sexually abusing four female members/workers for the PAST THREE YEARS.
    The sexual abuse went on for three years already, before this pastor was called up to Lagos for “training”?
    Training to become what?
    Why could ‘prophet’ TB Joshua not discern this? Why was it necessary to bring this repeatedly under his nose, before he reacted?
    Tbj allowed this pastor to run the Greece scoan branch for years and even attempted to deliver him? To no avail?
    If tbj knew about this – IT IS BAD.
    If he did not know about this – IT IS BAD.
    Just like his demon possessed disciples?
    And who says they are delivered now? Maybe they are just ‘initiated’ into his cult?
    Or ‘born again’ into his cult!

  5. And again and again…………….
    TB Joshua: MISTAKES & FAITH, BRACELET, New WATER Sunday 8 June 2014 –

    1. About time 25:52:

    2. And from about 42:00 time:

    You must sleep with this bracelet, so that you will be prepared well. If you wear it and when the Lord comes like a thieve in the night, well then you will make it because of His grace……….????????

    • This is higher level ocultism. People should watch out and not be deceived by all this. Afterall the bible says, we cannot have faith on something we see, if so then it is no longer faith. Faith is in things we do not see. He is like the pharisees who only believed in what they could see with their eyes. the so called faith bracelet is a typical example of believing in what you see. God’s name can be added to it, but tb Joshua knows best.

      • ANd making it when the Lord returns if you are wearing it by grace ….. this is Sh*t. He knows how to market his products. I am out of the deception. Thanks

    • Some people comment wrong because they dont understand what the man of god is trying to say, he is not talking about the physical bracelet, those who are in the fresh will not understand , many people they dont understand the things of god thats why they will nevery understand anything. I pray that you ask for the holy spirit first if you want to know the things of god

    • Ok…..today is 6 July 2014 and I have just been watching a bit of SCOAN live Sunday service. What can I say…but God have mercy on us all. Testimonies on Self deliverance through a faith bracelet which you also have to use in a certain way? In the book of Galatians 1:6-10, Apostle Paul urges us:”I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from Heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: if anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.” WE ARE SET FREE AND SAVED ONLY THROUGH FAITH, BY GOD’S GRACE. FAITH IN WHAT? FAITH IN THE FINISHED WORK OF JESUS CHRIST ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY. THERE IS ONLY ONE PLACE WHERE A CHRISTIAN RECEIVES HIS SALVATION, HIS REDEMPTION, HIS DELIVERANCE: IT IS CALLED THE CROSS! I was an active Scoan worker for the past 8,5 years, especially as far as the teaching was concerned and all I can say now is that I AM FREE!!!!!! God has been guiding me through His Holy Word and for the first time I am “discovering” its hidden treasures and believe me I can’t put it down! Glory be to His Name! Now I can see the contradiction in teaching masterly hidden under its brilliance and how it is used to serve and justify unclean, ego-doings. The spirit of “lying to serve a purpose”, “divide and conquer”, “always struggling yet never reaching to be a born-again Christian”, “unfilled Spirit believers”, “no baptism, no communion”, “secrecy and isolation” and so much more are finally unveiled. And the best….I have received news of dear brethren who were deeply involved and are finally seeing the light. Never before has God and His Word occupied my being, in such a joyous, powerful and liberating way. Weaknesses I have been struggling with have simply disappeared and I finally have a prayer life without any “mediators”. Fundamental christian principles and values are clearly being violated and there is only one word echoing in my ears: REPENT! I want to thank God for His Mercy, as I was also one of those who was deceived and truly believed in SCOAN and its teaching because of the changes in my life, which now I now for sure were purely due to God’s Divine Mercy. It is stated in the book of Mathew that the wheat and the weeds must grow, under the same roof, for the benefit of the wheat.

  6. A reader sent tbjw a video recently. A video the reader took or what? How did tbjw verified that the video was real or fake….the other readers are not told and clearly we don’t need to know. Tbjw accept it to be true bcos it can serve as evidence to point out faults of SCOAN.
    Every intelligent, objective and reasonable Bible believing will ask relevant questions.
    Looks like tbjw does not even where it stands or even believes.
    How did tbjw verified the suppose allegation of sexual abuse we dont know, no proof thereby.
    How tbjw verified the suppose statement made by a certain wiseman as true we dont know and will never see proof because tbjw does not have any proof.
    If tbjw believes that the suppose church leader and other leaders were really possessed then it means tbjw agrees they need deliverance. So the problem tbjw will clearly have now is that the deliverance was not done well and so the guys are not really free. tbjw knows how the deliverance should be done so that guys will be really free. but am sure tbjw doesnt.
    If tbjw does not belive that the guys weren’t really demon possessed in the first place then they dont need deliverance and the suppose deliverance never happened. if so then tbjw should have no problem with such guys being leaders since the did wrongs which cannot be tolerated yet it is not surprising since they are not perfect. If they were not possessed then they are fully responsible for their wrongs and no one else should be blame.
    But tbjw does not know where it stands.
    Tbjw is only exposing its confusion and lack of understanding.
    Doed Jesus healing of someone a guarantee that the healed person will never be sick. Anyone who want to learn should read Matt 12:43-45.
    Whose job is it to keep his house clean? The one who got delivered or the one who delivered his fellow? Or Jesus lied in Matt 12?
    Jesus’ disciples consisted of former criminals cheats, prostitute and demon possessed fellows. does that make Jesus ministry, healings, miracles and teachings fake.? After walking with these same disciples for so lon some betrayed (Judas whom the devil entered) , denied, demonstrated doubt (thomas), showed anger (Peter), these happened after they been with Jesus. does that make Jesus the worse or fake leader. Or do u call that bad logic and past events
    Can tbjw tell us which church has perfect leaders so people can attend instead of SCOAN?
    It clear tbjw is only interested in publicizing someone’s supposed fault thereby making the person popular.
    Always someone sends or bring their attention something.

    • Y’all say “Watch Emmanuel TV! Listen to what the prophet says!” but when we do, then you want to wiggle out of it by claiming it wasn’t really broadcast by E-TV. Is the E-TV logo on that video not clear enough for you? Is it not absolutely obvious that the video presented in this post was made at SCOAN? You are willfully, intentionally blinding yourself to the truth. It’s very sad.

  7. Tbjw would have u believe that we cant believe anything we see on emmanuel tv yet tbjw vividly watches emmanuel tv anyone. if tbjw doesnt get to watch emmanuel tv the friends will do, record and send it or even tbjw will do the recordings itself. As if that is not enough, tbjw uses what it sees, hears and everything said on emmanuel tv as evidence for its publication n elucidation of its thoughts – double standards. See this hypocrite doing the very thing u advising others not to do.
    It very obvious when u read what is on this portal that. tbjw prefer watching deliverancs/miracles to the Word been preached. Yet tbjw cannot tell us what the Word of God is and what the Word of God is not.?
    Tbjw would have us belive also that Satan is more scared of the truth than miracles/ deliverance; not that Satan is not afraid at all of miracles/deliverance. Yet tbjw cannot define what truth is.
    Look at this hypocrite who is alwalys hiding to watch emmanuel tv….maybe it is an obssession.

    • lol. And yet if videos from SCOAN were *not* presented as proof of the blasphemies going on there, you would say “But you haven’t watched the videos!!”
      You’re trying to have it both ways. It is not hypocrisy to use the very words of TBJ and the broadcasts of ETV to point out heresy and blasphemy. It is very important, when making a claim that someone says something or does something, to present evidence that they actually did say or do that thing. And what better evidence than the media produced and broadcast by SCOAN itself? It’s undeniable.

    • @Jacob,
      Contradictions is your forte
      In one breath you DEMAND proof of TB Joshua chicanery and the moment it is provided, you are all over wondering how it got to you
      How else can you expose deception without being EXPOSED to it?
      What if all https://tbjoshuawatch.wordpress.com did was post claims after claims with no evidence of any sort.

      Matthew 11:16-19
      16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows, 17 and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. 18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. 19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.”

      @ Jacob this is you, whatever this blog does, you will never be satisfied, you will always find fault. If they ceased to exist, you would wonder who their next target is. If they brought souls to Christ, you would wonder who is their spiritual ‘head’

  8. keep doing it,keep saying, instead of going out there and depopulate the hell, how many soul have you won for the kingdom of God, How many widows depend on you. the time of rerunning is coming. He TB Joshua is called and he is depopulating the hell.
    My father TBJ keep it up untill you wear that crown at the last day. Bless you sir.

  9. To brian brinicombe says:
    June 30, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    ………. “In my stay at SCOAN I personally found no fault in Him. I could not say the same about the folks that surrounded him there. They were too immature, too ignorant of anything beyond their SCOAN lives”………….

    Brian, this is exactly just one of the things wrong with tbj. He hides behind a mask of “humility”, but if you test him against the word of God, he falls on his face.

    The Bible says:
    Qualifications of Overseers
    3 … If a man desires the position of a bishop/pastor etc. he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 ONE WHO RULES HIS OWN HOUSE WELL, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

    And tbj is none of the above. He just pretends.

    But this is part of what is going on in scoan and tbj is sitting behind it, pretending to be O so holy?

    …Paul Agomo is also worried about the Europeans and other foreigners who flock to Joshua’s church. “We enter their rooms with spare keys, search their bags and get their personal details and problems, while they are on tour of the church. We then pass this information to Joshua, which he uses during services to bemuse them. They think he gets these details about them because of his spiritual power.
    It’s all lies. We steal the information for him.” This ex-devotee also claimed that Joshua consistently abused women and even minors sexually in the church. “Most of the big girls you see around him today came as virgins. They have all been sexually abused by Joshua. None of these girls has been allowed to marry by Joshua and some of them are in their mid or late thirties.” Paul claimed that Joshua often kill disciples who rebel or try to leave the church. “Death means nothing to Joshua,” he alleged, as he (Joshua) “has the machinery to cover up deaths.” Joshua, Paul claimed, maintains a killer squad which he uses to eliminate enemies. “Apart from people who died mysteriously, there are others beaten to death by the squad on Joshua’s instruction….

    Acts 20:28-30: “Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers [bishops], to shepherd [feed] the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.'”

  10. @ All,
    You have noooooo idea how happy I am with this blog post coming out. My prayers are answered concerning this for years. Perhaps it is the right time now ! Thanks ! I hope that this post get more than 500 posters. Temitope Balogun Joshua, if you read this, you can’t hide it anymore, the cat is out of the bag. Change your ways and repent of your false empire. We want the real things of God, not people that work for you to make it look it is. Don’t make money your god TBJ, God does not care about money or big cathedrals. He cares that you are sincere and righteous and do His will not your own.

  11. “But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-having a form of godliness but denying its power. HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM. THEY ARE THE KIND WHO WORM THEIR WAY INTO HOMES AND GAIN CONTROL OVER WEAK-WILLED WOMEN WHO ARE LOADED DOWN WITH SINS AND ARE SWAYED BY ALL KINDS OF EVIL DESIRES, ALWAYS LEARNING BUT NEVER ABLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRUTH….BUT THEY WILL NOT GET VERY FAR BECAUSE AS IN THE CASE OF THOSE MEN, THEIR FOLLY WILL BE CLEAR TO EVERYONE.” 2nd Timothy 3:1-7,9. For their speech is smooth as butter, yet war is in their heart, their words are more soothing than oil, yet they are drawn swords.(Psalm 55) . How about all those who have practised lies and deception through perversion of God’s Word, finally repenting as God wills and NOT according to theirs or someone else’s human, sinful nature? It is true that God loves everyone and forgives even the worst of sins but ONLY when man repents according to His Divine Will stated in His Holy Word ALONE. Teaching “simplicity, humility and sincerity of the mind and heart” must be practised at last! YOUR WORDS ARE NOT ALIGNED UP WITH GOD’S WORD. WE ACT UPON GOD’S WORD AND NOT MAN’S.

  12. The Lord warned about many false prophets and messiahs rising up in the last days who shall deceive many people and it is happening before our very eyes. Wake up, people, and look up to Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith!

  13. Hi there

    It’s been a long time since I’ve commented or looked at this blog.

    You guys seem to have a few things wrong in this article.

    1. You mention that SCOAN allows demon possessed people to lead their branches.
    My answer to that is… do you think Judas whom Jesus chose to follow Him was not possessed? Why did Jesus allow him to be a part of the 12? why give him the responsibilities like handling the money? and send him out to heal the sick and deliver those in bondage?

    2. Deliverance doesn’t work?
    In the SCOAN they always make mention that it’s easier to receive your blessing, healing, deliverance but it’s not that easy to maintain it. Jesus gave this same message to many too. “… Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.”
    Did you maybe miss the millions of others that maintained their deliverance?

    You can be delivered and set free but that doesn’t mean that satan will not try to come back… as long as you’re on earth you will always have the freedom to choose between right and wrong… between sin and righteousness.

    I’m sure Giles and many of the other ex disciples or “SCOAN followers” can agree that they give this message all the time.

    In fact they used to encourage people to confess the words.. “I will go and sin no more” after their healing or deliverance.

    • Hi there Jenson, welcome back.

      Regarding the Judas comparison, the bible records satan entering Judas not long before he betrayed Jesus. He was not demon possessed for his whole tenure as a disciple. This is very different from the issue of a serving pastor manifesting demons of lust and anger while continuing in his position. Does this seem right to you? Also, why is it that perfectly normal, committed, Christ loving young people spend years at SCOAN and become completely messed up and are seemingly all demon possessed, while their peers who have chosen more normal vocations are decidedly not demon possessed. What does this say about the effects of SCOAN?

      As for the long term effectiveness of deliverance, we could debate that all day because most of the “evidence” we have is that reported by Emmanuel TV, which is of course biased and known to present things dishonestly. I have no problem accepting that people who have genuinely been delivered can fall back into the same issues again, but the deliverance has to be more than just a brief emotional, adrenaline soaked experience. All we see on EmTV is the immediate aftermath, what is their life like after returning to their jobs, families, communities etc? That’s the point where the evidence lies – and in at least a few cases (as we’ve reported) the evidence doesn’t look good.

    • concerning that fact that it is easier to receive deliverance, blessings etc but it is not easy to maintain it; it is to prepare your mind and make you still feel they are genuine even after you realize that it didn’t work. It just a tactic.

  14. One thing is clear though…. TB Joshua isn’t God and doesn’t know everything. He did explain the whole thing when many of the disciples started to go to the prayer line and received deliverance. He said he prayed for it since the start and then when God said it’s time… he sent 6 and those 6 were delivered from there many of the others went too and received their own. I’m not sure whether any of those who received their deliverance left the church… meaning they are free now and even more dedicated to God and living for Him.

    There are many Pastor’s, Leaders and Christians all over the world that are struggling with something… some weakness… maybe it’s lust, anger, pride, unforgiveness ect. These are all because there are evil spirits being the cause of that addiction or torment. I don’t want to mention names but there are many. Many of the workers/disciples at SCOAN were delivered from those. Many times the evil spirit would confess that they could do nothing… that’s because of their faith… that’s why you can still be a pastor and be possessed at the same time.

    Many times on a Sunday Live Service there are testimonies of people that comes back after being delivered, set free and their lives changed

    One of the many can be read here: http://distanceisnotabarrier.wordpress.com/2014/02/25/freed-from-controlling-demonic-voice-that-entered-through-sexual-abuse/

    • Whatever justification you give, the perspective of myself and many others who know people who have spent many years at SCOAN is that it slowly messes you up and destroys you. I’ve seen many amazing people go to SCOAN, and it turns them into something much, much worse. Read Beth’s story of the damage SCOAN did to her, or Hattie’s story – a quote: “I had developed an incredible spiritual pride and was very judgmental about others depending on whether or not they “recognised TB Joshua”. This was the same for the others I knew that were involved. Yet I now realise that my own spiritual walk was faltering hugely…I was feeling incredibly spiritually undermined, hugely inadequate and that I was a nobody in God’s kingdom…I have since likened it to a spiritual bone marrow transplant. My very lifeblood (Christian faith) was being suppressed and then replaced with something different (doctrine of SCOAN and TB Joshua).” You’ve been around SCOAN for a while Jenson, I’m sure if you allow yourself to be really honest, you know this is true.

      As for pastors all over the world struggling with something, of course they do – but not demons! If someone is truly a Christian they have already been delivered from the domain of darkness, and transferred to the kingdom of His beloved Son (Col 1:13). There is not a single instance in scripture of a Christian being possessed by demons or needing deliverance, all instances involve unbelievers. Believers are told they can resist the devil and he will flee! (James 4:7)

  15. @ Jenson,

    “He said he prayed for it since the start and then when God said it’s time… he sent 6 and those 6 were delivered from there many of the others went too and received their own”

    How did YOU personally verify they were delivered and by what means ?

    @ TBJW,

    About their arrogance. I cannot agree more than about this arrogance they have. If you are not on the same page with them. They will bypass you, ostracize you, ignore you and walking as a thunderstorm passes you. They have made themselves gods and we are the puny “ignorant” fools that know nothing of their great endeavours and their personal god TB Joshua. They listen to you then do the same as before. Even if you show them Scripture by Scripture how it should be. They go by manifestation, not by what the Scripture actually means. They justify any manifestation. Any. How weird and silly those manifestations are. The more bizarre the better. Like coughing up a calabash. Really ! Or a pastor who carries a bunch of whatever in his trousers in their so called arena of “liberty”. When it so called time, THEY manifest their falling down, they create this crazy ridiculous pandemonium circus and it is for the sake of publishing their own venture and sadly succeed in deceiving thousands and millions with this filth they have concocted up themselves in their private conversations in rooms wherever they are. Anybody knows that wrote about this post by post that I did not believe in their “deliverances”, mainly because I was able in occasions to do it myself on people. And you can’t just initiate it by yourself. Before it happens when you step up to one deliveree, in my case you will feel a hot flow coming over you and then they start to manifest and mostly that I have experienced they become extremely violent in their movements and behaviour, froth on the mouth, spit at you, their eyes turn inwards, they start to scream blood curdling screams, yawn, open their mouth frequently, twist into impossible ways with their bodies. Their demons start to say all the horrible things or curses, lie, all the bad words that exist in the dictionary and even try to intimidate you with saying, you can’t deliver me because you have eaten, drink too much water and other silly things. They shake violently, turn to silence and pretend they have left, only t came back with a vengeance and many many other things that you don’t even see in SCOAN, because if you look close to it all you will see the deliverances in SCOAN have all the same pattern over and over. It is well known that some deliverances sometimes takes over days. I know Jesus did it in a few minutes, but we are not Jesus and there are many cases described where it would take a much longer time. Don’t ask me why, because I have no answer particularly on that. The deliverances in SCOAN is that I personally believe and encountered for myself was that I felt, not going by feelings though, but something entered my body then took over my vocal cords and then let me jump up and down. And as the feeling entered, so it left and nothing had changed, no healing what I came for, no difference elsewhere, but a sudden experience of deep depression and emptiness that I never had in my life ever. After that I became seriously ill with a cough that brought up phlegm every day, that stayed with me for nearly all the rest of time I was attending SCOAN and as soon as I left and stopped attending SCOAN it went away immediately when I renounced everything and threw away all that pertaining TB Joshua that I attained, books, DVDs, “anointed water”, stickers, wristband, I ripped off the one that my wife was wearing because she did not want to give it up at first and tore it apart in several pieces and binned it, without manifesting anything, and many other things. After all that was done and all the portals closed and deep prayers we did the both of us. We felt freedom and happiness return.

    Shortly after that all the breakthroughs came that I mentioned, God blessed us and blessed us beyond our imagination. Day after day. Everything that had stopped now came in like a stream of blessings and peace. This is how we knew and know now that we were duped and lied to and if we would have continued with them, it would have destroyed our faith and lives and other things. We have had many wonderful experiences after that and this is still continuing. We thank God, we praise Him, all the Glory goes to Him, to remove us from this charlatan that shackled us with his powers and lies. Thank you Jesus, I am no longer depressed and have a wonderful life without them now. I forgive them for what they did. And if they don’t want to come out of it, it is their choice. You can take the horse to the water, but you can’t force them to drink. So those that want to be deceived will stay deceived until God shows what deceived them. God bless, Tara.

  16. Yes I’ve been following SCOAN for long and I am honest with myself. There are many that has negative experiences during their time at SCOAN and many that has positive experiences. I think the latter far outweighs the former.

    Why is it that we havn’t heard any more stories from some of the other ex disciples? like “Gareth” I think he called himself. There are a few more that said they will post more stories but seemed to have kept quiet… that suggests to me that they might have changed their minds?

    I don’t think you can make a statement looking at others’ stories or comments and deciding to create a website against a certain man. Unless you have been there a few years maybe? or unless God has instructed you to do so?

    If you say that demons are not the cause of their struggles (I am not saying it’s the cause of every struggle) but in 2 Corinthians 5:17 – “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” Many people decide to follow Christ but there are still many “old things” that they struggle with… the same is when you have a sickness and you decide to follow Christ you can’t go and magically claim instant healing “by His stripes we are healed”. No, but this is a process and many don’t realise it.

    How do you explain nightmares? I was saved but still had nightmares… still struggling with lust… with drugs… but now after I’m delivered those things are no longer a struggle. The devil will always tempt us though but now I have the power to say no.

    • @ Jenson,
      “How do you explain nightmares? I was saved but still had nightmares… still struggling with lust… with drugs… but now after I’m delivered those things are no longer a struggle. The devil will always tempt us though but now I have the power to say no.”
      Jenson, I never had or have nightmares. Everybody will struggle with their sexuality. Everybody. It’s a natural thing. God created it for everyone to have such gratification. Man and wife he created them and told them subdue the earth and MULTIPLY ! The were not married at that time, but multiply they did. Hundreds of them. How you think they did ? The stork came over and brought the babies ? Or the flowers and the bees. One might have more sexual drive than another and it is totally normal. Prostitution is another matter. So here is the thing, what are you delivered off ? Or are you now caged in by powers not express yourself and find yourself a mate ? Or if you have a mate, where is your will ? You are blaming the Devil for your own sins you CHOOSE to do !!! Does it not say that sin lies at the door and if you GIVE in it will rule OVER you. You choose, it is your will that God has given, THATCis why it says, SUBMIT yourself unto GOD then resist the Devil and he will flee from you. That you do by your will not because you think you need deliverance and being embarrassed in front of the world that you now cower in shame to fall in the Devils trap again. Please you tell me you don’t have a will ? Especially to say no ? WHAT ! Why can you say no on every other thing ? No sir, it’s not frying with me. YOU sir ARE responsible for your choices and cannot blame the Devil to make you do otherwise. Why can’t you learn from Genesis 3 ? Are you (no insult) braindead ? Without will ? Noooooo ! God has given you this right from your birth, but if you did not choose to exercise it, you have nobody else to blame than yourself !

  17. @ Jenson,

    “Many times on a Sunday Live Service there are testimonies of people that comes back after being delivered, set free and their lives changed”

    That is because they have been given a sack full of money to turn their lives around given by TB Joshua of monies that are not his personally, but from the people he siphons it off from. As simple as that.

    I don’t mind charity, but honour those that honour is due where those monies come from. I can do the same when people continue to give me money and than play nice weather for them. It is different when you have to work your entire life in the public drains and manure heaps with hard labor is it now ? Those people are not honoured of what they do by SCOAN, only presidents can sit on the nice chairs that visit. God looked at LAZERUS not at the rich man that is too arrogant to look at the poor and help them.

    • @Jenson
      “…I don’t think you can make a statement looking at others’ stories or comments and deciding to create a website against a certain man. Unless you have been there a few years maybe? or unless God has instructed you to do so?…”

      I came to this blog around the #MH370 disappearance. I was convinced that TB Joshua was a man of God and a prophet! As the mystery of the plane deepened and all the excuses over his ‘delayed’ prophecies failed to wash, I got convinced that TB Joshua is a crook, a chalatan who will not hesitate to use misery and agony to make a name for himself. He is also a professional video editor, cooking past prophecies to fit circumstances when clearly they don’t.

      About abuse (sexual and emotional) at SCOAN, I urge @tbjoshuawatch to maintain the highest level of skepticism when using ‘testimonies’ and confessions of former SCOANites. The reason is it is difficult to corroborate them and they risk defaming an innocent man. I have observed young people disillusioned in life or infatuated with ‘full-time’ ministry forsaking all to serve in churches only for them to walk away bitter, alleging abuse and wasted time when the excitement fades and reality sets in. In fact, I strongly believe that NO MAN should pressure/manipulate anyone to make those deep sacrifices. In the scriptures, deep sacrifices came directly from God Himself. Paul is a good example. When you have a heavenly vision to leave your job or sell a house to support a ministry, you are likely to retain sobriety through the toughest times.

      Next time somebody tells you “the Lord told me that you should quit your job or give me your salary for the next 12 months’, simply tell them you never got the memo but when you do,you will not be disobedient to the heavenly vision (Acts 26:19) , nor will you confer with any flesh (Gal 1:15-16)

      Be that as it may, all allegations here are called thus, and it is up to the readers to judge for themselves

      • Hi Vooke. I have had one to one conversations with two former disciples of TB Joshua who have described the sexual abuse that they endured. Both were clear in what they said. They were not vindictive, they did not express bitterness, they were still following God. I was convinced that they were telling me of real experiences. In the case of one of these I have also spoken with people who strongly declare that the person is not telling the truth.
        You say that we should be sceptical when hearing the “allegations” and I would say that it is necessary to listen with compassion so that these accounts can be told as fully as possible to give answers to the sceptics. Question the accounts of abuse and at the same time question the denials of those accounts.
        Look at the lives of the people who are saying that this has been done to them and also look at the lives of the people who deny it.
        My experience is that the former disciples that I have talked to have found the grace and power of the love of God to deal with their abuse that they suffered and continue with their lives which give glory to Jesus, whereas the people I know who deny that the allegations are true behave in a way that is cold and hard and does not give any glory to God. They say that they are following Jesus but their actions do not demonstrate that.

  18. I know that some people have been reading these posts and have understood who I am…and it is for them I am writing this. They consider me now their enemy and if I were in their place I would probably do the same, as I am familiar with the mentality. But I am not….and no matter what they say or what they have done they are not my enemies…on the contrary….when the Holy Spirit states in the book of Proberbs that: “Better is open rebuke than concealed love” what does that exactly mean? It means that open rebuke for the sake of the truth is a higher form of love. Just as our Heavenly Father trains and disciplines us so that we may be called legitimate sons and daughters, so is open rebuke for the sake of the Truth a higher form of love because it is the Truth and only, that is capable of setting one free. Proberbs 28:23 “He who rebukes a man will in the end gain more favour than he who has a flattering tongue.” The Bible also says that some people we should rescue by grabbing them violently from the fire, hating even the garments of their flesh. When lies, deception and perversion have entered one’s heart you do not sit down to discuss but do anything to shed light for only that light can cast out all darkness, God’s light, according to His Word, led by His Spirit. For yes…it is possible for someone who isn’t a prophet, an apostle or in any spiritually higher position to be led by the Holy Spirit. Actually, it is clearly stated in Romans 8:14-17. This is what it means to be a CHRISTIAN. Let us see Jeremiah 23:11,14 “Both prophet and priest are godless; even in my temple I find their wickedness.” and “And among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible: They commit adultery and live a lie.” No, committing adultery in the Lord’s temple/church is NOT far better than doing it in the world….it is an ABOMINATION. No, there is NOTHING holy about “sleeping” with a man of God…it is an ABOMINATION. 2nd Peter 2:18-22 and Romans 1:18-25,28,32. It is not all about saying “sorry” yet continuing in the same path of lies and deception….repentance is about taking a completely opposite direction than the one you did before. It is about being ready to lose it all and not “some”….we should be concerned about the salvation of our soul and not “higher callings” after such deeds….this IS the highest calling of all. Paul’s, Peter’s and the other apostles’ “vision” was simply to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the four corners of the earth, not through their gifts, not through their aspirations but by preaching and living it to its every word. Simply and effectively. NOTHING ELSE. Let’s see who God called in 1st Corinthians 1:26-31. And we never cease to be us such before Him….It is through pride and arrogance that deception enters, just as it happened to satan, just as it happened to Eve: “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and YOU WILL BE LIKE GOD, knowing good and evil.” Unaccountability=arrogance. And we are all included. Yes….there is no greater love one can express for his fellowman but prayer…a prayer of faith, in Spirit and in Truth. The Truth and Love are one.

  19. I have respects for this greec Pastor. He had the courage to repent and being delivered from his lust and anger-problem, in public. He did what the Bible says he should do. TB Joshua can learn by this man, what repentance looks like, in steat of trowing this man out as a criminal. The redemption that TB Joshua claims for his endless misstakes, should be availeble for this man too. Also for the women who became harmed by the mis-behaviour. The endless blaming cycly, will be broken by it.

    • @ Jamie,
      Does this article not explain, that no deliverance took place or am I reading it wrong ? I know that they were not delivered, the same As I was not delivered of anything but spiritually raped by something that cause deep depression in me after he finished. I did not feel light, no lights were shining, the inward shaking in my stomach area is still there, right there and then, no change, he is scam artist and a shaman and a liar. He has strange fire powers and hundreds of scammers with him to run his 419 scam empire. Many deliverances are a sham. I had close up encounters with him several times. Now he is going to Colombia to Cali and the same trickery that he does in Lagos they will perform there. After that those that are so called “delivered” are the same. This strange fire is or projecting chi powers or high level Kundalini. I said before Kundalini causes high sexual drives in people who are under it and passes through, it is an unclean power. Inform yourself with Sai Baba and see what it does to people. This is not the Holy Spirit. Please do not defend TB Joshua with deliverance practices what we see on EMTV. It’s deception. Interrogating demons for 20-30 minutes is not deliverance. Taking over some bodies vocal cords what happened to me is not deliverances that is entering in your body with evil spirits and taking you over.

  20. let me say it this way; the intention for deliverance by this pastor are real. In spite of the fact that nothing changed for him after deliverance. I agree that the powers of TB Joshua look the most at Chi-powers. It means it is channeling from a source. Chi-powers are loaded with demon-forces. I discovered more then once, that the Anoiting of TB Joshua is ‘empty”, there is no Glory-substance in it, it is just fire. If the Anoiting should be realy of the Trohn of God, people would be healed and delivered without touching also., and much more humanly delivered. The ‘empty”anoiting is without LIfe of Christ, it is just fire-energy. TB Joshua is duplicating the act of healing and deliverance. I believe he had once the full power of the Holy Spirit, but lost it, the anoiting will stay with a person, even when God is not present to back it. If Tb needs a faith-bracelet, to keep his faith alife, it means he is in serious problems.

  21. @Madelaine,
    What I mean by skepticism is there is a need for restraint in publishing these stories because they are one-sided. Several allegations from different people is a good indicator but all in all,you can’t possibly verify them; it is essentially the victim’s word against the villain’s. And you see https://tbjoshuawatch.wordpress.com detractors can easily accuse them of spreading empty rumors because of no evidence.
    My two cents is BOLDLY call allegations ALLEGATIONS, put a disclaimer that they are unverifiable, and before publishing them do all due dilligence to confirm the authenticity of the victim, when were they at SCOAN? Did they report to anyone? Did anyone else witness this and so forth. And while at it, encourage ex-SCOANite victims to seek counselling from spiritual counsellors

    • Hi Vooke

      I broadly agree with you, and I think you’ll find we have always referred to sexual abuse claims as allegations. For those who have followed the blog from the beginning they will have noticed that the sexual abuse allegations were much more a focus in the early stages than they are now. As time went on, most alleged victims were not too keen on going public with their story, preferring to put this part of their lives behind them and move on. This in itself is evidence of the credibility of the claims from our point of view, but it also means the public are generally only hearing vague claims of allegations rather than specifics which possibly makes the claims less credible from the publics point of view. Personally, all those behind TBJW are convinced the claims of those we have heard from first hand are true, but we haven’t got permission to publish their stories, and even if we did – as you say it is their word against his. The reason we still mention the allegations is that one thing is certain – these allegations exist, they are numerous and similar, even those who have not claimed to be abused add credibility to the allegations, for example Beth: “I never questioned it when girls were going to TBJ’s room in the middle of the night and not coming back for hours. In fact (and I’m so ashamed of my blindness) I felt jealous of the extra guidance they were receiving.” The fact that this hugely popular “man of God” has so many allegations of sexual abuse surrounding him is an important fact to know about him.

      • @ TBJW,
        One should always question when women or men going alone or even together in one room with a man and visa versa. Such things should not be done in ministry ever. There should always be several people around especially when you do ministry for God or even his wife should be there somewhere around when women are called up in one’s room for one to one or whatever needs to be said and done. This should happen always in the day time, curtains and doors open, not night time. Personally, I always take care that I am never alone with another woman or women alone in a room and the door closed, locked or curtains drawn than with my own wife. There are too many Samson’s around in ministry and elsewhere and it ruins many people’s lives, churches and families.

      • Agreed, and that’s as much to avoid the appearance of wrongdoing as to avoid actual wrongdoing. If you ask any ex-disciple they will tell you that TB Joshua invites female disciples to his quarters in the middle of the night. Absolutely best case scenario is this is very naive and foolish, but I strongly suspect it’s not as innocent as that.

      • @kiki,
        I read about Bushman’s investigations and a few things stood out
        1. He was not interested in accepting obvious deception caught in camera that is edited prophecy videos. FOr that he never needed to fly to Nigeria since YouTube could have just done the job
        2. Bushman insists he wanted evidence of actionable crime. Prophecy editing clearly may not be a crime but it is super sin taking God’s name in vain. Selling ‘Blood of Jesus’ too is no crime
        3. Bushman was thoroughly opaque in exactly what they did during the investiations. He just released bits which were neither unfalsifiable

        For these reasons, there is nothing to gain from contacting him. What he should have done was to air clear evidence of malice on https://tbjoshuawatch.wordpress.com to justify his rantings. He could not

  22. Yes, using ‘foolisch things” is the best weapon of TB Joshua., to mislead, deceive and create confusion. Smartness is not the same as responsible foundated wise and sharp reign. The foolisch smartness of TB is from a bizar mind lacking a better frame. He is playing a secret game, and only he knows why he needs it that way.

  23. Thank you tbjw for this blog. Now we can talk to tbj straight and openly and he cannot delete it or say, “That he did not receive it for some or other stupid excuse”. Keep going. We will keep talking to tbj, using the sword of the word of God, until he repents openly and turns from his wicked ways.

  24. TB. Joshua, told yesterday in his service,that “they go back to the foundation, and that they are zero in the things of the spirit”. He just now decides to lay the right foundation. (in Christ). So, what was his message and vision all about, this last 30 years of his ministery? The foundation of a house of sand? Some young people from the department-of-youth-scoan, testified yesterday, about their deliverance of serious problems they had for years, by the faith-bracelet . This teenagers are involved in scoan for years, but have great problems as lust,pornografie, hatred, anger etc. What on earth is the value and the effects of the teachings of TB Joshua ,that he was not able to deliver this teenagers, but a bracelet solve their problem? What DID he teached for years, when he just now discovers the right Foundation?

    • @ Jamie,
      TV Ministers have over the years issued many “faith” trinkets in letting the gullible believe that whenever they issue one it is different from the former one and it does this or that if you only “believe”. One needs to entertain the masses is it not otherwise they get bored ? Normal bible reading, study and prayers is out of fashion. 😉

      • Yes, realy, the simple message of Jezus is to difficult to deliver for the TVministers. I listened yesterday to the perplexing nonsence , TB Joshua tried to release to his congregation. He finally admitted, that he was not God, that they should not worshipp him., that it would ruiing their christian life. such a humble man, this TB Joshua., so much care for the progress of others.

  25. JD Ellis though a Calvinist and a Cessationist does a fine job in exposing these quacks who masquerade as prophets,chasing tragedies and making a fortune while at it
    http://endtimedelusion.com/
    His comments are sometimes longer than the posts

  26. To Jamie and all:
    July 7, 2014 at 8:33 am
    …”TB. Joshua, told yesterday in his service, that “they go back to the foundation, and that they are zero in the things of the spirit”. He just now decides to lay the right foundation. (in Christ)”…..

    1. No Jamie, he is laying the wrong foundation! Not in Jesus, but in paganism.

    Your post together with a night vision I had this weekend, made me to investigate tbj’s sunday service of 7 July 2014 more in detail.

    He has to go back to the foundation of the Roman Catholic and Muslim religions and start over again, teaching everyone how to pray with the pagan prayer beads, because he had forgotten to include the “rosary” (prayer beads) in the beginnings of his ‘church’. The prayer stool is out. Prayer beads is in. I suppose because you can travel easier with them, than the prayer stool?

    Now he must teach everyone again how to pray the pagan way. back to foundation. Take note how he is saying’ “That the beads are anointed and how you are going to grow in your spiritual life after praying with them. You will start seeing visions etc. moving into the deapest level. He is NOT laying the foundation in Jesus, but is laying the foundation in paganism.

    And

    2. He is teaching how to make money – the pagan way. Just like the servant girl with the spirit of divination?

    …. It happened that as we were going to the place of prayer, a slave-girl having a spirit of divination met us, who were bringing her masters much profit by fortune-telling. 17Following after Paul and us, she kept crying out, saying, “These men are bond-servants of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation.” But Paul was greatly annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her!” And it came out at that very moment. 19But when her masters saw that their hope of profit was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the market place before the authorities – Acts 16:16-19

    There is so much more that I can share, but my time is limited.

    He is smooth.

    SCOAN 06/07/14: Sunday Live Service “TB Joshua At The Altar”

    (Last part of the sermon)
    Time about – 1:07:32 and 1:07:44 + 1:24:10
    1:08:08 – Pray with beads.
    Song – 1:37:17 ………. Sing with beads.

    I put this on the web, hoping that it can help someone out there to see the truth.

      • @ Vooke,
        The god of the Muslim and Roman Catholic prayer beads, what else could it be ? We all know which god is behind those…..
        Animism….
        Animism (from Latin animus,”soul, life”) is the worldview that non-human entities (animals, plants, and inanimate objects or phenomena) possess a spiritual essence. In this case transferred spiritual essence. But from what and who ?
        Do we see any ministry like that continues to minister like that in the Bible ? Like Paul’s and Peter’s prayer beads for invoking and conjuring your “heavenly” visions and “prospecties”. Cheap price, 10 dollars, 8 pounds, 9 euros each. Why not get a family pack for you and your family and pet (different sizes) a very low $£€ 19,99 including tax. Order now !!!! Order now !!! And that is not all you get, we will throw in some “anointed water” for the same price !!! Incl p&p. Overseas orders will incur small increase in price. Hurry before stock clears. That’s not all, we alsooo will put a nice framed picture of our false prophet into the deal ! Hurry, hurry time limited deal !

  27. You know Jamie – for quite a while I was under Muslims. I do not agree with their religion, but after experiencing how they respect allah and how easily and orderly they pray and respect prayer. I felt shy to say I am a Christian and be associated with the TV preachers whom they could see and how disrespectful they are toward God and how their services are no more than a stage performance. This tipe of ‘Christianity’ is an abomination and will definitely not draw them – the Muslims – to Jesus Christ of Nazareth. It is a disgrace to Jesus, who is Almighty and Holy and orderly.They questioned me about this ‘christianity’? I could see how they were put off by these TV preachers and tried to explain to them that that is not Christianity. But sadly I do not think they understood me.

  28. Back to our Christian foundations:

    If you repent of you sins and get baptized in water you will receive the Holy Spirit (the prayer beads will not help you – your obedience to God will) and He (the Holy Spirit) will intercede for you, because you do not know how to pray. Do not put the prayer beads or tbj in the place of Jesus and His Holy Spirit.

    The Great Commission:

    Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have Commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age” – Mathew 28:18
    Peter replied,
    1. “Repent and be
    2. baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.
    3. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. – Acts 2:38
    4. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. – Mathew 6:6
    But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.
    5. In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, BUT THE SPIRIT HIMSELF INTERCEDES FOR US WITH GROANINGS TO DEEP FOR WORDS and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God – Romans 8:26
    6. and do the 10 Commandments.

    NO PRAYER BEADS OR FAITH BEADS OR ANOINTED WATER OR ANYONE OR ANYTHING ELSE NEEDED.

  29. The Greek pastor confessed of his sins as the Bible says:
    ‘Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective’ – James 5:16
    ‘But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved’ – Mathew 24:13
    Let obey the Word of God and let us endure to the end.

  30. I agree with you, Just wonder, i have shame too, about being involved in the dis-grace-ministery of TB Joshua. Coming-in with high expectations to find the Truth, and leaving abused, insulted,dis-graced,cheated and humiliated and mis-used. It is a mystery to me, why TB Joshua can not see his evil-doeings and sin in his approuchings. He realy believed, i was the evil-one. It is such a insane destructive complex vision. It is so far from the simple message of Jezus.

  31. GOD is still saying something through his prophet, believe it or not God is great,and still with us.we should not judge and criticize people. he is a true prophet, thats my conclusion, if u dont belief ,then dont criticize.

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