Allegations of the Ebola virus at the Synagogue Church of All Nations

A worrying news report was broadcast yesterday revealing allegations that there were people at SCOAN carrying the deadly Ebola virus.

This should not be surprising, SCOAN attracts thousands of sick people from all over Africa every week. Even if the allegations are currently untrue, it is only a matter of time before the virus arrives. SCOAN need to take immediate action to put a stop to the masses of international visitors arriving each week, and if they won’t – the government should do so on their behalf.

There have also been unconfirmed reports (please post a link to the video in the comments if you have it) that TB Joshua is sending his anointed water to Liberia for distribution amongst Ebola victims. If this is true, it is a terrifying development. We foresee Ebola victims forgoing proper medical attention, spraying anointed water on themselves and proclaiming themselves healed – before returning to their communities and passing the disease on to others. If the reports are true, it is the height of irresponsibility, and we urge the government in all affected countries to denounce TB Joshua’s anointed water as a method of disease prevention.

We would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that despite what SCOAN may say – there is not a single credibly verified case of anyone being healed of HIV by TB Joshua, and two international news agencies have reported cases of people dying of HIV after being “healed” by TB Joshua. If his powers don’t work for HIV, don’t trust it to solve the Ebola crisis.

52 thoughts on “Allegations of the Ebola virus at the Synagogue Church of All Nations

  1. People should learn to consider criticism for possible growth and correction. Many a time we miss the voice and mind of God which is in every situation. This post may help us!

  2. @ All,

    You think it is only Ebola virus ? Their soap dishes and mattresses in the rooms are covered with bacteria and virusses. The soap dishes are cleaned, but anyone knows even when you do clean them the virusses can evolve to worse virusses or super bacteria. Since there is a constant influx of people who puke, pee, take a poo, spit and cough up phlegm it is impossible to stop this to spreading to other people and infesting them, whether to their respiratory system, digestive system, blood system in case of cuts while attending SCOAN (I got a cut in my hand from a soap dish that suddenly broke off). No mattress is being disinfected after a serious diseased person has been laying on it for a week. They might be replaced at some point but that is it. I am sure if the “how clean is your home, business, etc.” would come around the cleanliness ratings would run off the scale. Don’t be fooled, their cleaning brigade is not a cleaning organisation as we have in US, Europe, and Asia with high tech stuff to disinfect their environments in SCOAN Lagos, sooner or later when one comes home certainly some strange things can and will happen to and when checked by the doctor or hospital you will find some nasty surprises. Remember when I went I ended up with a cough that lasted more than 6 weeks and caused me nearly to cough out my lungs day and night and headache pressures and no sleep, including phlegm that did not stop for nearly 1.5 years. After I left SCOAN and its branches it stopped abruptly up till today. Wished I left sooner concerning the latter.

    • Wow. So, like 10 minutes of repeating the same line over and over again, and bragging about how he will deliver the anointing water himself, because he trusts it so much, (but ONLY if he gets an official letter from the government of that country begging him to come.) How charitable! Not. :/

      If he cared for the people suffering from ebola, and really believed his anointing water would cure them, and prevent the spread, he would be sending that water out NOW, any way he could get it from them. Not demanding official government invitations and waiting for an opportunity for media coverage in order to send it there.

      Sickening.

  3. Just been checking a post on tumfweko.com that the Lagos State govt have warned tbj not to accept ebola patients in his church for healing but rather let the medical experts deal with the epidemic. I pray that common sense can prevail and tbj followers will not foolishly say ‘ touch not my anointed!’

  4. Thanks for the post. It is necessary for people to know this. Hope they will not debunk this as they have always blind-fully done so in previous posts.

    • That’s good news, but also raises lots of interesting questions. Why would the world’s “greatest healer” stop healing when faced with a deadly and contagious virus? Hopefully this will help people start to see the light.

      • “They visited him not asking for a solution, but making it clear that if he told people he had a solution, he would be arrested. He told it as if they had come to him for a solution to deceive people like you.”

        HAHAHA,tbjw . it looks you are not happy to see TBJ isn’t arrested as you hoped!!!
        As you seem too idiot ,let me help you with some ideas to make your dream to come to pass.
        May be you can ask for help from Scotland Yard to arrest him by alleging against him that he holds captive of your loved ones who are subject to contract the virus Ebola if nothing is done to release them from the hands of TBJ,This is a good idea ,isn’t it?
        Then we will know whose powerful God is between your god and the God of TBJ.

      • He doesn’t want to fight with u people not believing in his God so he chooses to stop FINISH.

  5. I believe Tb stops the healings out of prevention. Only believers can be healed and most people dont recognize their own un-believes, . If a deahtly sick person, carring a easy transferable virus, will approuch scoan in desperation, and there is no assurance for healing because faith is not developed, then a disaster of misery will follow. TB works accoording to the advizes of the specialists, and i believe this is healthy commons sense. We live in the end-times, and their are plaques for reasons. If foreigners should become infected by the virus and transfer the virus in thier country, after visiting scoan, it would be the end of the ministery.

  6. It is so clear that your only mission is just to spread fear and doubt. The video shows nothing but government and a religious institution working together for the benefit of humanity which is something that we need to see more of all around the world. Oh well, weather you like it or not the work of God will continue.

  7. He’s going to “donate 2000 bottles” of anointing water. I know tbj ain’t fluent in English but who “donates” the work of God. And he’s ever happy audience clapped for him. Ebola ain’t hiv where you can fake healings and go free, in this case within two weeks the victim is dead, so even tbj wouldn’t want to be at risk.

  8. They have got it – the true way to impress the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Sackcloth & Ashes: Asking God to Stop Ebola in Liberia

    Pastor Emery David of Triumphant Christian Church told The Global Lane by phone that God has responded in the past when Liberians have humbly confessed their sins, repented, and asked for divine intervention to spare their nation.

    http://blogs.cbn.com/globallane/archive/2014/07/30/sackcloth–ashes-asking-god-to-stop-ebola-spread-in.aspx

  9. Where do you get the impression that every plague or disaster is some form of judgement?
    DO you think yourself to be more righteous than the Liberians?

    Read Luke 13:1-5
    13 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilæans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilæans were sinners above all the Galilæans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

    It is perfectly in order to pray that God may divinely intervene but I just don’t see how this ties up with repentance. How do you explain the scourge affecting born again believers?

  10. I’ve never like this site, because the owner is speaking of the physical and he claims he’s a Christian and prays that God opens peoples eyes not knowing, that should be the prayer he should be praying for himself. See, the truth is if TB Joshua was to be reading it, it will just increase in anointing on him and God will always prove his servant as his. I’m not saying you should close ur site. But eversince, I’ve been reading your post on this site. You always see TB Joshua as God or something. He’s just an instrument in God’s hand. Take it or leave it. You need to pray God opens your eyes of understanding, cos I do wonder how hard hearted people like you will pray for people, instead, it will give room for more demons into the people you’re praying for. Ehn ehn. About ebola, I just read a post saying he will stop some of the healing service for some weeks and he’s ready to work with the government to do anything to stop the ailment. The fact that someone died after being deliver doesn’t change the fact that T.B. Joshua is not from God. God is God, and nothing will change that, T.B. Joshua is one of the most criticized pastors in Nigeria or the world. But he will always say. In Good times, Jesus is Lord, in bad times, Jesus is Lord. So if accidentally he got wind of people saying this or that about him. He will simple say Jesus is Lord. I love that man.

    • @ Gerald,

      Of course you don’t like this site. It exposes that people like him are not so infallible after all.

      Why did Jesus have Luke as a doctor ? You really think He never enquired from him as a doctor ? Why being a foolish person ? How many people are sorted out by a doctor or specialist. Once I had an infection in my ear and no amount of prayers from myself and others changed the situation. Went to the doctor who prescribed me an penicillin/antibiotic and ear drops. Within a week I was sorted. No more infection, no more problems. And I did not even had the believe that it would do the healing, but it did. How foolish one can be to discard doctors, surgeons and specialist and rely on a con-man that you so adore and worship. Doctors did small operations on my wife’s head of which could not be dealt with going to every pastor, including TB Joshua to sort out those issues. Beside a small scar, no problems exist on her head anymore. Fools reject what God has given as breakthrough in medication. Thank God for Mr Fleming which sorted out my ear.

      Thank God for:

      Thomas Addison (1793–1860) – Addison’s disease
      Alois Alzheimer (1864–1915) – Alzheimer’s disease
      Hans Asperger (1906–1980) — Asperger syndrome
      John Brereton Barlow (1924–2008) — Barlow’s syndrome
      Albert Calmette (1863–1933)- Bacillus Calmette-Guérin (BCG), a vaccine for tuberculosis
      Carlos Chagas (1879–1934) – Chagas disease
      Jean-Martin Charcot (1825–1893) – Maladie de Charcot, Charcot joints, Charcot’s triad, Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease
      Jerome W. Conn (1907–1981) – Conn’s Syndrome (primary hyperaldosteronism)
      Burrill Bernard Crohn (1884–1983) – Crohn’s disease
      Camillo Golgi (1843–1926) – Golgi apparatus
      Joseph-Ignace Guillotin (1738–1814) – Guillotine
      Wilhelm Frederick von Ludwig (1790–1865) – Ludwig’s angina
      Charles Mantoux (1877–1947) – Mantoux test for tuberculosis
      Antoine Marfan (1858–1942) – Marfan syndrome
      Silas Weir Mitchell (1829–1914) – Mitchell’s disease
      James Paget (1814–1899) – Paget’s disease
      James Parkinson (1755–1824) – Parkinson’s syndrome
      Juan Rosai (born 1940) – Rosai–Dorfman disease
      Karl Adolph von Basedow – Basedow disease
      Paul Broca – Broca’s area
      David Bruce – Brucellosis
      Denis Parsons Burkitt – Burkitt lymphoma
      Harvey Cushing – Cushing’s disease
      John Langdon Down – Down syndrome
      Bartolomeo Eustachi – Eustachian tube
      Gabriele Falloppio – Fallopian Tube
      Gerhard Armauer Hansen – Hansen’s disease
      Samuel Alexander Kinnier Wilson – Wilson’s disease

      And thousands of doctors more that have saved millions if not billions of people’s lives instead of quacks that claim “anointing water” would heal them which healed nothing in me or in others that it was applied on.

      I know of a nearly 95 year old woman that still goes to the doctor and goes on and on. Even though she has all kinds of things that bother her. God gives healing by supernatural virtue, God makes mankind to deal with other matters because He knows that people need this. And God even does not heal certain people at all. In any case God receives the glory.

      Then I encourage everyone to read the book of mr. Aaron Kennard, the secret of positive thinking. Who had part of his colon removed after contracting ulcerative colitis and went through a world of pain unimaginable and still trusted God to get him through it and he did.

      When you read that book Gerald you will know what trusting in God is when no healing will knock at your door. This book you can download for free on your iPad. I would suggest begin reading before you reply.

  11. Vooke, yes, this is your misstake ,to repudiate immidiatly the bibly solutions, by offending the other who brings it up; ‘me repentance? Who do you think you are?”. That far is repentance out of your daily walk with Jezus.

    • @jamie,
      I was not talking about you
      Am looking for a relationship between disaster, outbreaks and repentance. Please help me
      There another quack called Owuor who was quick to blame Boko Haram on Nigeria’s sinfulness
      It is this cheap reasoning that is not grounded on no scriptures that irks me. It is easily abused by these false prophets to bring believers into bondage. Christians are constantly panicking lest God kills them. Is this of God?

      What should a Christian do? Katrina caused untold anguish among the relatively Christian populace in the US. How do you help them?

      • @ Vooke,

        Buddy, let’s keep focussing on the quack, charlatan, 419 con man TB Joshua and his followers and expose his cheating ways of false prophecy and the convenient application of “anointed water” that is rolled out to deceive you and me and the rest of the world to progress the agenda of man made SCOAN and use The Name of Jesus to hide behind. We know that Kenya is also a corrupt country, but at the moment I would make you aware of an atheist teacher who has made himself a goal to feed a 1000 Kenyan children on his own in the project http://www.porridgeandrice.co.uk who makes TB Joshua and followers who hide behind God to a shame. This man does not believe in God and he is vehemently against those charlatans such as TB Joshua and Christians that are a sham to this world with using religious practices to justify their belief in God. If atheists put us to shame like that, how much more should we do the same like him ?

  12. @Jesse,
    AM not relenting on this crook so help me God 😉
    Anything done for the good of humanity is welcome. We salute that. The only problem with atheists is they lack any LOGICAL basis for their morality; it is purely subjective which is why they swing from swinging homosexuals to the cool guy next door who found your lost iPad Air and returned it to you without demanding anything in return

    Nothing whets the appetite of our professional video editor like a disaster. This is the opportune time to draw more men to himself much easily than on a ‘normal’ day. They love catastrophes, when our minds are still traumatized, numb with shock to strike

    I know too well in the scriptures the LORD used elements to bring judgement, pestilences and so forth. But outside Revelation,it is extremely dangerous to attribute disastrous events to sin (refer to Luke 13:1-5). Deaths in disasters are not punishment for sin. Look at the Ebola or MH370 or MH17 or the ferry that sunk off South Korean coast. SO many kids perished, the elderly too, the disadvantaged, the poor

    And BOTH believers and non believers perish in disasters
    Matthew 5:45 “for He makes His sun rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.”

    Some things befall all of us under the sun. So I strongly oppose reading sin and judgement behind calamities. That to me is a form of judgement. Am essentially saying that God killed them because their sin stink more than mine

    The best thing we can do is to pray for the affected, pray for God’s mercy in this time of need
    The least our Charlatan in Chief can do is to VISIT the affected areas. Veeery funny since he claimed he had not been invited to locate/pin point the resting place of #MH370. Heard he claims no government has invited him to one of the affected countries. NExt time he will quit travelling evangelizinf because nobody invited him. How pathetic ;-(

    • @ Vooke,

      “Anything done for the good of humanity is welcome. We salute that. The only problem with atheists is they lack any LOGICAL basis for their morality; it is purely subjective which is why they swing from swinging homosexuals to the cool guy next door who found your lost iPad Air and returned it to you without demanding anything in return.”

      Yes of course, but if WE show our love and support in their endeavours they will look different at us as believers in Jesus. Because what usually counts with atheists is that we are practical and not be theoretical. One does not have to confront the atheist when you show the love of Christ by helping them to see the Holy Spirit in us. This we did in the recent countries we visited for the last 5 weeks and we did not force anyone to accept Jesus, we interacted with them in their needs and pains and as a result they were glued to us as Gods love they did not get elsewhere which was working through us to make change their minds of Christianity and Christians. We all sow and others will reap the harvest in due time. The next time is for to introduce them to Jesus because that is then relevant. Forcing people Jesus through their throat is usually not working, the Holy Spirit will do the rest when we open the door to His Love by showing them we care. Lets keep proving to atheists that we love them too as Jesus loves them even though they operate through morals rather than spiritual consciousness. People can change their minds. 😉

  13. I know several christians who suffered diseases, because of sins of their fathers and fore-fathers. Only by breacking the curse and repentance for their fore-fathers, they became healed. / a woman-preacher Judge on a pregnant woman in her class, because the woman was oftend not well and missed the bible-class. hey did not prayed for the woman , or helped her at home. When the woman-preacher became pregnant herself, she became extreem sick, and prayer did not worked. She asked finally God, what was going on, and He showed her the judged situation of the pregnant woman in her bible-class….The preacher had to repent before healing took place in her own pregnanty. We reap what we sow, or what our fathers sowed.

    • @Jamie,
      may be that’s just me but I recall Jesus saying that forgiving sins is greater than healing (Matthew 9:5). That we readily are forgiven our sins but have to resort to ‘spiritual’ forensics into our history to attain healing somewhat don’t make sense.

      I also have a problem repenting the sins of dead people. Is this Biblical? Is it different from Catholicism praying for forgiveness of the sins of the departed/dead? How do you explain that in the light of this verse?

      Ezekiel 18:19-20
      19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

      What about 2 Kings 14:5-6,Deut 24:16,Jer 31:30?

      My understanding is Christ bore our sins and curse at Calvary and at the point of coming to Christ all are washed away (Is 53:4, 1Pet 2:24)
      But of course a mother drinking and taking drugs can physically affect the innocent unborn

  14. Vooke,;The woes in Revelation 9;12 are a reality for today. The Holy Spirit will reveal it to you.

    • @Jamie,

      Romans 8:19-23Amplified Bible (AMP)
      19 For [even the whole] creation (all nature) waits expectantly and longs earnestly for God’s sons to be made known [waits for the revealing, the disclosing of their sonship].
      20 For the creation (nature) was subjected to [a]frailty (to futility, condemned to frustration), not because of some intentional fault on its part, but by the will of Him Who so subjected it—[yet] with the hope
      21 That nature (creation) itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and corruption [and gain an entrance] into the glorious freedom of God’s children.
      22 We know that the whole creation [of irrational creatures] has been moaning together in the pains of labor until now.

      In this fallen creation, we have death, diseases, disasters, earthquakes, Tsunamis, flooding all those because the earth is somewhat spiritual and stands affected by the fall of man. Remember these befall both believers and unbelievers equally. Teaching that these are judgements for the sinners leaves the believers in a spiritually awkward position; they can’t explain why they are suffering

      Acquaint yourself with Job and the many remedies/misdiagnosis his frienemies made out of his circumstances

      Revelation has some graphic visions of catastrophes I agree. What i disagree is purporting that they befall unbelievers while believers live through.

      Ebola is actually killing people UNLIKE the 9:2 locusts. Bad application of scriptures 😉

  15. Yes, forgiveness of sin is greater, it restores the wholeness of the soul. Sickness is an attac from the devil in the bodily system. You dont seem to understand that everything in Bible is only understood by discernement in the Spirit. It is no mental natural agreement. You need the baptism in the Holy Spirit to be able to see through the different and sometimes contradicting statements of the Bible. The Spirit-realm is a reality. The Holy Spirit reveals understanding about situations. And you dont seem to grasp, that the whole Bibly-journey is only made a reality, by Faith. Without Faith in the absoluteness of The Word, there is nothing to hold on.. The Chatolics are a religion, christianity is having a relationship with Christ., by HIs Spirit in us. At some point in our walk as christians, we become awakened to repeating cycly and bondage in our generations, and by Spirit we can deal with it. Believers have more change to survive then the un-believer, believers have acces to the full counsel of God. God can do nothing for you, when there is un-believe.

    • @Jamie,
      I have no doubt that outside Holy Spirit illumination, the Bible is just another book. He is the Helper who leads us to the truth, the unction that teaches us. But your ready diagnosis of my lack of understanding on the Work of the Spirit is worrying. What makes you think am not Spirit baptized?

      The fact that God entrusted intelligent humans with His gospel and not any other creatures strongly suggests to me that we should not discount the role of our intelligence in relating to God as Christians. I disagree with you that our mental faculties are totally unnecessary in understanding the things of God. Intelligence is God’s gift and should not be ignored. It is through education and knowledge that you read an English Bible today thousands of years later after Christ ascended. Somebody took the trouble to learn Greek to translate the ancient manuscripts

      1 Peter 3:15 (KJV)
      15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

      I believe a healthy debate on our hope and Faith in Christ is quite in order. We sharpen each other.

      I find the notion/teaching that disasters/catastrophes as God’s judgement a bit unscriptural. I have also shared my understanding on why belief that we bear our ancestral sins is equally unbiblical. On both accounts I have given scriptures just to separate my views from th Word of God. The best you can do @Jamie is using the same scriptures show me why this is not the case instead of prescribing baptism of the Holy Spirit 😉

  16. Vooke, i don read the bible as a historical book,. And i dont use skriptures to discuss or to make a point, i use it as application. I apply the Word , and believe it.. I dont ignore we are intelligent people, but the Spirit-realm has less to do with intelligence, it is just a seeing in the Spirit. It is an opening-up to a reality that Gods wants to show us. The Holy Spirit reveals the reasons of a calamity, if you ask for it. Living by Faith is living by the heart, not by mental understanding or constructions. To apply the word, means you set it in operation.

    • @Jamie,
      I don’t understand what you mean by not reading a scripture to make a point but an application. I presume you mean there is no point sharing scriptures and that believers ought to just meditate on the Word and apply the same independently? If this is the case, I wonder what is the point of preaching to believers and fellowship, going to church

      I know that The Holy Spirit still reveals things to us. No debate about that. Question is, shouldn’t we weigh whatever revelations we receive against the REVEALED Word of God? I don’t believe God authors confusion. He is consistent since He does not change. This is why whatever revelation you believe are from God MUST align themselves with the Word failure to which we dismiss them with contempt.

      @Jamie, while we may not be privy to your revelations,we have the Sword, the steadfast Word of God to test doctrines,visions and revelations.

      Many cults rise from men ignoring this simple fact. Joseph Smith had crazy revelations which birthed Mormons. Some simple tests such as confirming that Jesus was not born 700BC should have made him disregard them. He never did and today we have Mormons.

      I repeat, my confidence is in the tested Word of God not visions,prophecies,revelations and dreams. If it was revealed to you that you are suffering because of the sins of your fathers, please aks why that contradict the many scriptures I shared

      Finally,ask yourself if you know of any calamity that spares believers while wiping non believers. And while at it, tell us what is the point of God revealing to you that a calamity is judgement when the damage is already done. In Nineveh, God dispatched his watchman Jonah to warn them BEFORE destruction befell them. In Sodom, Lot was a preacher of righteousness BEFORE destruction. God sends warnings well in advance. That’s His MO from scriptures. I expect the same today since He does not change. Your revelations would be of great utility if they came BEFORE calamity struck. 😉

  17. Some additional insight I wish to share on relating with God with our mental faculties;

    Deut 6:5 (KJV)
    And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

    Matthew22:37 (KJV)
    37 — Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind

    HEART
    SOUL
    MIND
    MIGHT
    I am aware the definition and application of these terms both Greek NT and Hebrew OT is varied. But there is no doubt that the INTELLECT /LOGIC is included in these terms

  18. Some additional insight I wish to share on relating with God with our mental faculties;

    Deut 6:5 (KJV)
    And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

    Matthew22:37 (KJV)
    37 — Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind

    HEART
    SOUL
    MIND
    MIGHT
    I am aware the definition and application of these terms both Greek NT and Hebrew OT is varied. But there is no doubt that the INTELLECT /LOGIC is included in these terms

  19. Vooke, i am no teacher, i am a poor soul who tried to survive the mess in scoan. But i do have revelations and sometimes visions by The Holy Spirit. I believe every believer has acces to the gifs of the Spirit. I believe it is accoording to this end-time. As far as i know, is the Bible only for application. we are doers of the Word. But sharing the word, for deeper understanding, is usefull. The point of preaching to believers, SHOULD BE aabout application, the word revealed from the heart of the preacher, but this is selden the case. Most preachers just preach bibly facts, or explain some passages. Application is what makes the word alife and effective. If preachers should use it, people can be healed while listening. As in Jezus His ministery. Application sets the word in operation, it becomes a living reality. It is an active way to reach for the promises of the Cross. It is not talking ABOUT it, but actualizes the spoken word in our lives. It confesses, claims, expects,believes and receives what is spoken, immidiatly in the own Spirit. Some people hear the word and it falls immidiatly in good soil, they act on it, and bear fruit. Others listen for a life-time to preachers and it does not comes alife in them, it does not finds soil. Soil is in the soul. People who become immidiatly healed by hearing the word, believed the word and acted on it., and the power was set free.They understand the will of God. The word is a lifing force. Thats why discussions selden satisfy, only explain. The word becomes a lifing force, when spoken by the heart and the Holy spirit will act upon this utterances by lightening it., and making it manifest. I know about the danger of fake-profhesy, but in time the discernement of the own heart, just knows what is Truth and what is rubbisch. This same discernement knows if a preacher just chatters,and telling fables, or is proclaiming the lifing Truth of Christ.

    • @ Jamie,

      “Most preachers just preach bibly facts, or explain some passages”

      Usually that falls under name of being a “Teacher”. Which is part of the five fold ministry. We need people to teach the word.

      One must not always look for manifestation. Example: thou shalt not covet, or lie, or steal etc. Although this could or may be related to the spiritual side. People do this out of habit, because everyone does it. Especially lying. It does not mean they are full of demons. There are a lot of things people do which come directly out of the flesh, because sin is ingrained in us, look up sarx in Greek. You will see Paul complain about that his members cause him to do what he ought not to do, but is relieved by the fact that himself as a wretched man is delivered by Christ and His Shedding of His Blood and Grace. Our flesh will always be the enemy to God. So then the inevitable thing is the wages of sin is death, ……

      For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (‭Romans‬ ‭6‬:‭23‬ KJV)

      Plus we will have to work out our salvation it does not stop by only confessing Him as our Lord and Saviour, it is an ongoing process of faith and works as well the Grace of God that works through us by His Spirit. Because without that no-one will enter in the future of Heaven.

      Check Hebrews 11 and see that even though they had faith it turns out something that was not what they expected or envisioned and had to go through deep agonies and troubles, even how much they applied their belief in God. God uses even the Atheist and Dictators to accomplish His Salvation plan for others. It is an individual application for each of us, what sometimes works for others does not work for another. It is not lack of faith, but God walking and working out your or others Salvation and His Sovereign Will accomplished. For one a life of 1 hour and for another about 120 years. This is a mystery.

    • @Jamie,
      “As far as i know, is the Bible only for application. we are doers of the Word. But sharing the word, for deeper understanding, is usefull. The point of preaching to believers, SHOULD BE aabout application, the word revealed from the heart of the preacher, but this is selden the case. Most preachers just preach bibly facts, or explain some passages. Application is what makes the word alife and effective.”

      If the WORD is alive only in application, that pretty much makes it dead BEFORE that right?
      The WORD of God is alive and active (Heb 4:12) whether you apply it or not. It is sufficient in that state. This fickle demarcation between application and sharing is irrelevant and highly misleading

      Paul goes to great lengths in EXPLAINING justification, sanctification in Romans
      Peter on Pentecost belabored under the Holy Spirit to EXPLAIN the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
      Stephen in Acts 7 EXPLAINED his faith

      @Jamie, how can you apply that which is UNCLEAR to you? And how can any portion be CLEAR to you before it is EXPLAINED?
      How can I receive Christ unless somebody EXPLAINS to me?

      Acts 19:2-6 We had disciples who had missed the Baptism of the Holy Spirit BECAUSE nobody had EXPLAINED/TAUGHT it to them. The moment somebody did, they received

      More verses on why we should NEVER check our brains at the door when coming to church/Christ

      Romans 12:2 (KJV)
      2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your MIND, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

      1 Corinthians 2:16 (KJV)
      16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the MIND of Christ.

      @Jamie, I will not engage on this topic any more. If by now it is unclear that your MIND is important in relating with God, I guess we will agree to disagree and remain friends. I would however appreciate your scriptural basis for your stand. Note am no teacher as such, just another disciple like you. 😉

      And finally, NEVER assume any dream,vision,voice,prophecy,revelation is of God;

      1 Thessalonians 5:21 (KJV)
      21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

      1John 1:4 (KJV)
      Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

      1 Cor 14:29
      29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

  20. Ugh. This is all coming too close to home for me. My husband is currently begging SCOAN (via email and phone) for an invitation to come to Lagos. In the middle of an Ebola outbreak he wants to go to Lagos. He has already taken 2 weeks off work believing that he will get that invitation. :/

    He “can’t afford” counseling to work on our marriage, but he can buy a plane ticket to Nigeria. In the middle of a freaking Ebola outbreak.

    Please pray for God to open his eyes. This is insanity.

  21. Yes, the mind is included, but not the carnal-wordly mind, not het rational mind. This mind does not understands the things of the spirit, they are foolisch to him. By reading and applying the Word, the mind becomes spiritual. The Word re-news the mind. Reading one psalm, applied to your-self, cleanses the whole bodily system. Bibly characters dont explicite act intelligent, but wise and spiritual discerned. Exellence of soul. We have the MInd of Christ.

    • @Jamie,
      There is NOTHING carnal in rational thinking
      Rational thinking is a manifestation the fact that man is made in the image of God. Rational thinking is essentially what sets vooke apart from a cow.

  22. I discover very oftend in christians, that they dont understand Who- they- are -in -Christ. After being saved, after accepting Christ as our Lord, we become new in Him. God looks at us as He looks at Jezus. We receive the Holy Spirit, and we receive the knowledge, wisdom, love,discernement, power, mind and heart of Christ. , in our Spirit. This seed, will come to manifest in the image of Christ., in us. Still you can be very intelligent person, because of some expertises in you, but you are different then others in the same area who dont have Christ. Your intellect works different when Christ is with you. It is more englithened and discerning. , it is accurate and knows and sees different.

    • @ Jamie,

      “Still you can be very intelligent person, because of some expertises in you, but you are different then others in the same area who dont have Christ.”

      I hope you will acknowledge that intelligence is extremely necessary. Your computer is born out of intelligence and this world system is constructed out of intelligence. However this world system lies into evil, but God will use and allow evil to use it for our good, because we are on all different levels in our walk with God. Many think that God is for group application, while I believe He is an individual God a personal God, therefore, omniscient, omnipotent as well omnipresent. God knows the before past, the past, the present and the future at the same time and what I write He already knew and what I am gonna do and say is already known, but it up to me how I slot in His Will, Plan and His Salvation for me individually. No mortal man can save me, that is the mistake that many TB Joshua worshippers think and believe. Only my relationship and His Grace and walk with Jesus Christ will save me. Beside that there is only One Saviour and His Name is God.

      I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. (‭Isaiah‬ ‭43‬:‭11‬ KJV)

      Only God saves, no other man, no mortal man after Jesus will ever be able to pay for my sins. Ever !

    • @Jamie,
      God made us so He knows how we best function
      I believe intellect/Mind of man in the hands of God is the most effective. Just like any other gift He gave man like singing
      Still this does not change your intellect into anything else, it remains intellect

      And I dare say that a world or even a church that actively avoids intellect is doomed. You use your brains to eat,drink,manage your time, evangelize and so forth

  23. According to his write-up on his face book page, Ebola in Nigeria is propaganda. He even went on to say “‘“That someone came from another country for an ECOWAS meeting and died of Ebola does not mean Nigeria is not safe”” and he relates it to an almond tree? He also says Nigeria is exaggerating it because they are looking for funds!!!!! : This is pure madness, may be he thinks he is being patriotic. Who knows the heart of Man?

    Read below:

    TB Joshua Ministries
    August 9 · Edited
    IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM T.B. JOSHUA CONCERNING EBOLA:
    “The world at large is full of fear. People want to read about things in newspapers and watch things on the television that cause fear. There is another news, apart from Boko Haram, that is causing fear in Nigeria – Ebola. Ebola is not Nigeria’s challenge. We should not be hasty in considering it a challenge. Our challenge is insecurity. It is a strange ailment. Imagine you carry an almond tree from Europe to Nigeria to plant it. It will not grow because of the weather.

    “That someone came from another country for an ECOWAS meeting and died of Ebola does not mean Nigeria is not safe. It is good to secure our nation, our environment but my concern is that we are going too far. It is affecting the image of the nation outside Nigeria. It is giving this nation a bad image, to the detriment of the name Nigeria.

    “To the extent we talk bad about Nigeria, to that same extent our name is destroyed. This is a country under repair because of what Boko Haram has done to the nation Nigeria. Don’t damage it more. This nation is safe. If there is any challenge, we have what it takes to surmount it.

    “All of this is propaganda. When a little thing happens, you exaggerate it because you are looking for funds. How much can the international community give to us that can redeem the name Nigeria we are soiling? A beggar always remains a beggar. Africa, stop begging – you have what it takes to solve your problem.

    “What is the meaning of African unity? The wound of an African is the wound of all Africans. The wound of one is the wound of all. A nation that stands to solve the problem of other nations will become successful. Successful people are problem solvers.

    “There is nothing bad in securing your nation using every proper means and educating your citizens. That does not mean you should use it to destroy the name of Nigeria as if it is here. It’s not! Protection and prevention – that should be our assignment in Nigeria.” #TBJoshua

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