TB Joshua’s edited Charlie Hebdo prophecy

The formula never fails, a major disaster or attack happens and SCOAN release an edited video claiming TB Joshua predicted it. The horrific attack on French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo is no different. There are two details edited out from the original prophecy:

  1. In the edited version he predicts “Wednesday, Thursday”, in the original he predicts “Wednesday, Thursday, Friday”. Three out of the seven days of the week casts the net quite wide, particularly when no date is given.
  2. In the original version he says it will be near an airport or railway, but adds a caveat “these people, when they hear this [his prophecy], sometimes they change their strategy”. This detail is edited out of the final prophecy entirely. The attack was not near an airport, and not near a railway in any meaningful way (in fact Paris has many railways, so any attack in Paris could be claimed to be “near a Railway”), maybe Al-Qaeda are Emmanuel TV subscribers.

Taken in its entirety, the prophecy serves no purpose. The attack still happened, there was no useful location or date, it happened months after the original prophecy. It’s one of many prophecies that would be quietly swept under the rug if nothing vaguely similar happens, but gets trumpeted from the rooftops when something matching its vague details does happen.

See the original unedited prophecy below, thanks to our good friend and fellow TB Joshua Watcher Gary McGoff for posting.

 

229 thoughts on “TB Joshua’s edited Charlie Hebdo prophecy

  1. Keep up the good work, T B Joshua Watch, until the mask on the face of this false prophet is completely removed!

  2. Suddenly, I hear nothing about TB Joshua, Coroner and High court. Is there any update on that especially as from the 22nd of december?

    • You’re still going to be judged, Clever muzemba. And God will want to know what you ignored all the facts and evidence showing that TB Joshua is a liar, a fake and a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and continued to blindly floow him. You will have to account for that and “I didn’t know, he seemed so holy” will be no excuse, as you know about this website and yet dismiss the mountainous evidence giving you the truth.

  3. so when he prophesied that they will postpone the 2008 election he it was a guess….u guys are fighting the wrong battle

    • Yeah yeah…
      We know the drill…

      Judge not..
      Touch not..
      Or get smoked..
      For he is a man of god…

      EMMANUEEEEEEL…

  4. To my Muslim friends:
    Listen to Imam Mario Joseph who says; “That the Quran says that you must read the Bible to find the truth”.
    Changing Tracks: Mario Joseph, Muslim Imam convert

  5. TB Joshua in serious need of psychiatric evaluation. He even appears to be babbling and fumbling his words so curiously. Is somebody seeing what I’m seeing?

    • @ John,

      A subway or metro is not a railway station. A subway or metro is underground and railway station is above ground. And that second attack is not related to the first attack as it is known. And certainly a metro, subway is not an airport either.

      • Please, railway, subway, same thing. You know what the man is saying. English is not even TB Joshua’s native language and you want to call out grammar details. Regardless if the second attack is related or not, is it not a terrorist attack in Paris that happened on one of the days he mentioned? I pray you stop making excuses and open your eyes of faith.

      • @John

        There are 300 metro stations in Paris. If you’re going to predict an attack in the city, it’s safe to say it will be in the proximity of a metro station. Anyway, the key thing is it didn’t take place at a railway station, and SCOAN thought it didn’t match enough to edit that detail out. Regarding English not being his native language, that’s no excuse because he chooses to use English as the language he communicates prophecy in – if he’s not good enough in the language to avoid making mistakes or changing the meaning of prophecies, he should prophecy in his own native language and employ a good interpreter. The way you put it suggests that God’s word is being corrupted by a man’s limited grasp of English language, not a good thing!

      • @ John,

        It is not the same thing. And it certainly is not an Airport. And please don’t start with he speaks a second language. I do too and everybody understands me of what I say. And he still can learn his english is it not.

        And what can I do with that “prophecy”? What is it any use to me ? It’s no use whatsoever to me. And have you noticed it is always about death or death involved. Shooting and more shooting, plane crashes, train crashes, celebrities dying, as if the whole world has to look at their way of doing right ? Every single day. Clearly nobody is listening or don’t want to listen either. Not even christians in the countries where those “prophecies” are being said. Nobody does anything. All you hear, it comes to pass. Eh ! Who is the author of death physically and spiritually ? Have you ever asked yourself that ? I guess not. There was once about football scores. Any use for that than besides the bookies ? Ever thought about inside information of what these world rulers will do ? How many Christian world rulers are there ? And what do they do ? Even if they would listen, it still won’t make any difference because who is going to get a plane out of the air while crashing ? Who is going to check every single meter of railtracks every single day concerning trains crashing ? Who is going to check the waves and change them for ships not sinking ? Who is going to check the whole day buildings if they will go on fire ? Then here comes your so called “prophet” and says this so to speak years before and it still happens. Whether he or the whole church prayed for it or not. So what is God saying then ? The impression gives that He likes people to die, but for the sake of it, He just comes and tells us this by all your so called “prophecies”. So what is it going to do ? And seeing how you all behave in SCOAN it is only for promoting yourself, the church, him and telling that Emmanuel is with you all, except when I come around then Emmanuel is conveniently AWOL as always. The only thing you then come away with is Zap, Zap, Zap, and serious depression when you go home that you never had before. Not to even speak about the gloating you all do “It has come to pass”.

        STICK OUT YOUR BLOODY HANDS FOR A CHANGE AND STOP SITTING ON IT IF YOU WANT IT TO CHANGE ! Because all your prayers don’t cut it, that’s for sure.

        You all prayed in the church week in week out about, Set back, Destruction, Sickness, Enemies BACK OFF, BACK OFF, SATAN, and lo and behold your own building as you claim was airplaned, bombed, chemical destruction, remote demolition, and infrared destroyed IF we have to believe you all. How contradictory. Proverbs 10:22 The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it. But your private prophet has tons of money from tithes, offering and donors yet already have 120 people on his record in the last 3 years. Not to speak what all happens before that what I don’t know. Doom prophet.

        Please stop with your stupid “it comes to pass” Go away, take a hike, because I am not interested in this fake declaration. I do believe in Prophecy but when every time he does one everybody dies. Go think about that.

  6. SCOANITES…

    It’s so shameful and disgusting for your false prophet to start EDITING & PHOTOSHOPPING his fake prophecies to SUIT an evil occurrence in order to make himself look “good” as a true prophet of God whose words do come to pass…

    This man should not only be locked up in a prison cell…he should be gagged up with a leather muzzle as well…to permanently shunt & shut him up for good…lest he keeps prophesying from behind bars..

    It is written:

    1 Corinthians 14:29,33…Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other [another believer] judge…For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints…

    We true believers have JUDGED this confused prophecy of this confused prophet and the verdict below is damning…

    Satan the confusionist is indeed the author of every confused prophecy and prophet!

    This confused prophet said this confusing prophecy months ago…in such a vague and confusing manner that it could have fit into any thing that had to do with a violent attack at anyone anywhere in France…which would nine times out of ten occur with the passage of time in any of those three days of the week he mentioned…

    Pure evidence of Cold Reading in hypnotical prophecies…that gives you so many options of hitting it right in a “win-win” situation where you can say afterwards…

    I said so didn’t I?

    This is absolutely contrary to The Father’s Biblical way of revealing evil attacks of the enemy whether spiritual or physical…which He does in very clear terms so that His children can take very concise steps to either prevent it or protect themselves from it if it is not preventable…

    As it is written: …For all the promises [& prophecies] of God in him are [clearly] yea, and in him Amen…2 Corinthians 1:20!

    Look at the example of the King and Syria versus the King of Israel when Elisha was prophetically revealing specific details of the enemy King of Syria’s evil plans to attack the Israelites that caused the King of Israel to take remedial measures to counter it…

    (2 Kings 6:8-12…Then the king of Syria warred against Israel, and took counsel with his servants, saying, In such and such a place shall be my camp. And the man of God sent unto the king of Israel, saying, Beware that thou pass not such a place; for thither the Syrians are come down. And the king of Israel sent to the place which the man of God told him and warned him of, and saved himself there, not once nor twice. Therefore the heart of the king of Syria was sore troubled for this thing; and he called his servants, and said unto them, Will ye not shew me which of us is [spying] for the king of Israel? And one of his servants said, None, my lord, O king: but Elisha, the prophet that is in Israel, telleth [prophesies to] the king of Israel the words that thou speakest in thy bedchamber…)

    Likewise the many examples of many prophets in the Bible who prophetically warned the kings of Israel like Elisha and King Jehoshaphat; Isaiah and King Hezekiah; Jeremiah and King Zedekiah and so about the impending plans & attacks of their enemies and also proffered a remedial solution to the impending evil attacks…

    They did not give their warnings with grainy confusion and vagueness as this confused prophet does but with crystal clear specifications and instructions to the extent that after following their prophetic guidance these kings experienced great victories and testimonies against their enemies to the glory of God…

    If this is God speaking thru His prophet…He will make it prophetically and directly known in one way or the other to those particular people in that particular media house (a.k.a targets) shortly or a few days or even a few hours before the imminent attack…for them to pray about it or / and take appropriate security measures to avert the real and present danger…

    If you are a truly “spiritual believer” who has in times past received divine warnings from the Lord about imminent threats or dangers to your life be it armed robbery attacks or car crash or whatever…you will “confirm” that this is exactly how God warns His people thru specifically clear and direct dreams, visions, revelations, word of knowledge & prophecy…

    Like Moses, we know and understand the ways of God…that is why they are written in the scriptures for us to read it, know it, understand it and follow it…

    (Psalm 103:7… He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel…)

    Check out the above…and compare it with this blurred, grainy, vague and confusing prophecy yourself…

    I see an attack…on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday in France…in an airport or near a railway…let me not say much so they will not change their tactics…let us pray…

    Then in spite and despite your purported call prayer that no one can be bothered t answer including your god… a RANDOM attack happened several months down the line (it could have several years down the line too)…not in an airport or near a railway as you claimed but in an office on a street (so no hit here)…but on a Wednesday (okay just one hit here out of three possible options)…

    Then you claim…YOU SAW IT FIRST…to the chagrin of the victims of the bloodbath and their relatives…to what purpose?
    So the world will acclaim you to be a REAL PROPHET…

    Who for goodness sake races to claim “evil prophecies” as ministerial trophies and prizes for their shelves except for mad prophets…When true prophets are racing to claim “revival crusades” as ministerial trophies and prizes for the kingdom of God…

    While his followers, sycophants & acolytes are singing and harping on it all over Emmanuel TV…

    DISGUSTING…
    DESPICABLE…
    DISGRACEFUL…

  7. Hear what the Biblical prophecy says of Islam derived from the name Ishmael…

    This is what the dire consequences of these Middle Eastern Islamic terrorists attacks against the Western Christians will finally result into…

    A NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST…

    Masterminded by the antichrist in this last antichrist generation that will totally wipe out virtually every Islamic nation on earth destroying in its wake the well over 1 billion resident moslems in such countries…as the global war against terrorism enters its final end game after the antichrist has assumed the political power & authority over the nations of the world…he will be that MADMAN that will eventually push the nuclear red button against the Islamic nations as his final card is played to checkmate Islam as a global religion that has long persecuted both Jews & Christians from generation to generation….

    So leave these Islamic terrorists & fundamentalists be…together with their sympathizing Islamic clerics and followers who see no need to rise up against their so called Jihadist brethren to stop their carnage against Christians all over the world…therefore they will all be “nuked” by the antichrist whom the Bible prophecy says will destroy them WONDERFULLY with his nuclear toys as their divine punishment for spilling the blood of Jews & Christians out of pure breed hatred as the Ishmaelites (descendants of Ishmael) whose only language they understand is VIOLENCE…hence by great violence will they be violently and wonderfully destroyed together with their religion of violence in this endtime…

    Do not extend an olive branch of peace to these Ishmaelite-Islamists as they will only stop after you have been converted by the Sword to Islam as commanded by their Quran…just as the Bible rightly prophesied of them…that is why their name Ishmael means AFFLICTION!

    (Genesis 16:11-12…And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy AFFLICTION. And he will be a wild [violent] man; his hand will be [violently] against every man, and every man’s hand [violently] against him..)

    Therefore according to above scriptures…we should VIOLENTLY repel them from our midst until they are all bar none spare none totally WASTED…and those amongst them who follow peace with us or repent should be accepted or welcome into our Christian fold as our brethren…

    (Isaiah 14:29,31…Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina [Islamists], because the rod of him [antichrist] that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent’s root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent…Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved [nuclear holocaust]: for there shall come from the north a smoke [nuclear bomb], and none shall be alone in his appointed times.)

    (Daniel 8:23-24…And in the latter time of their kingdom [endtime], when the transgressors are come to the full, a king [antichrist] of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully [nuclear holocaust], and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy [persecute] the mighty and the holy people [endtime elects]…)

    (Daniel 10:41-42…He [antichrist] shall enter also into the glorious land [Jerusalem], and many [Islamic]countries shall be overthrown [annihilated]: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape…)

    (Zechariah 14:12,15,19…And this shall be the [nuclear] plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people [Islamic nations] that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth…And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague…This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all [Islamic] nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles…)

    With modern technological advancement we know that we know that only a nuclear blast and radiation fallout can cause the flesh, skin, eyes and tongue of people to consume away while still standing on their feet as vividly described in Zechariah’s prophecy when he saw that future day of the antichrist’s nuclear holocaust over 2500 years ago…

    Which was confirmed by John’ prophecy 500 years later in the apocalypse where he saw a quarter of the entire world amount to about 2 billion people suddenly destroyed by the nuclear war of the Fourth Seal that will cause hell & death to rise and expand to receive the great number of people that died in that fateful endtime day which is just around the corner as we are already out of the Second Seal of two world wars when “peace” was taken away from earth in the early to middle 20th century…and are now nearing the tail end of the Third Seal of global poverty & terrorism in the early to middle 21st century according to Bible prophecy…

    (Revelation 6:4-8…And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another [global wars & terrorism): and there was given unto him a great sword [nuclear weapon]. And when he had opened the “third seal”, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine [global poverty]. And when he had opened the “fourth seal’, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth [2 billion souls], to kill with sword [nuclear weapon], and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth…)

    For God’s children there is HOPE…for in the midst of all these chaos Jesus Christ shall come back again to take His children out of this fallen and destructive of world men into the glorious kingdom of God…

    (1 Timothy 2:19…Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his [children]…)

    SELAH…Think on it!

  8. he mentioned france,paris,wenesday n thursday….what do u gu
    ys need again??…all these bible portion of urs is just stupidity

  9. secondly,why cant u guys give ur own prophecy??…satan has so much blinded ur eyes…..thank God that u guys went out of scoan

    • We don’t compete with the charlatan in spewing out garbage and calling it prophecy. The reason is we are humans with common decency and we revere God 😉

  10. lastly,hw can u guys rebel against ur former master which te bible forbids…n u think that u can succeed in anything u do???

    • So what do you mean? All born again Christian’s former master was satan. Are we not to “rebel” against him? Rubbish….this is intimidation which simply secures manipulation.
      The Bible is explicit on exposing the fruitless works of darkness. The teacher-and not master for we have only ONE Master, JESUS CHRIST- you do not rebel against, is the one who is of noble character and sound doctrine, with whom you may have other differences or the Lord calls you to another place.
      Please read your Bibles, ALONE.

    • @ Just Wonder,

      Sorry, but I don’t like that video. It’s like I am watching Hitler stirring up people and playing crowds. The woman says a lot but her actions are also nil. All what comes out of it paper trails like the 5000 pages reports concerning Abu Ghraib and the like and all who were involved still deny everything.

  11. Wednesday initial attacks take place.

    Thursday attacks happen near the railway.

    Friday attacks continue at the airport.

    • @ John,

      It’s impossible to not be close to a metro if you are in Paris. And no no attack took place at the Airport Charles de Gaulle, it was at least 70 km away from there. Or 50 miles. Any idea how much 50 miles is ? It happened at Dammartin de Goelle. This is not an airport but come country side. A small village. And it happened at a super marche or super market and an office called Charlie Hedbo. As TBJW said there are hundreds of railways, Metroes and buses in Paris. Which one ???? would be necessary to stave off an attack. None was given. Which date it would happen ? Which time ? That is accurate prophecy. But none of it was said. How many Wednesday, Thursday’s, Friday’s did pass since the claimed prophecy ? Impossible. You really think that this is possible to protect hundreds or perhaps thousands of places at the same time for all those days ? What you think that is going to cost ? So yes, useless prophecy that is and everybody dies in the end with all those prayers you all did in SCOANS. Certainly God did listen to ya… NOT ! Now still nobody knows where they came from and who they were connected with. Al Qaeda ? Yes ? But who ? And how ? Where ? Yemen ? Where in Yemen ? You call that prophecy ?

  12. A message for the world, not only for the USA:

    Brigitte Gabriel, Speaking in San Antonio,Oct, 6 2014 .

  13. The bottom-line of TB Joshua’s copy and pasted ‘prophecy’, is that it again saved NO ONE or got NO ONE delivered or encouraged anyone to turn from their wicked ways, humble themselves and pray. Like the Prophets of the Bible would do. Remember tbj’s background is Islam and there is NO evidence that he ever repented or turned away from it.

    Terror In Paris – Rise Of Radical Islam – Brigitte Gabriel – Hannity

  14. Scoanite Maestro-damus..

    Since you are not impressed and amused by the scriptures which you “terminalize” as STUPIDITY…

    “he mentioned france,paris,wenesday n thursday….what do u gu
    ys need again??…all these bible portion of urs is just STUPIDITY”

    Then let me address you as a non-christian and unbeliever and not as a Christian or believer which your comments clearly states…

    But for us Christians and followers of Christ all argument ends at the SCRIPTURES…

    That is why we always quote scriptures to buttress our points in the things of God…

    For you there is no need for that so we’ll keep it secular and jocular just to humor you…

    Hang on…
    &
    Here goes…

    Your fixation on a prophet’s prophecy coming to pass as the yard stick for measuring who a true prophet is unfortunately categorizes you into the cabinet of a Mediocrity instead of a Maestro as your pseudonym inaptly suggests….

    So I really must recommend you to cross-carpet to become the ardent follower of Nostradamus…instead of the follower of your false prophet…

    Because his prophecies have a far higher “hit” rating in terms of accuracy than the prophecies of your false prophet…for many of his prophecies have come to pass even centuries after he passed away…

    http://www.smashinglists.com/top-10-nostradamus-predictions-that-have-come-true/

    What I’ve gleaned from your “exuberant” posts is that you are trying to take on the entire TBLJW commenters head on…

    Yet your level of scriptural ignorance is “falling” your hand, cramping your style and exposing your ignorant underbelly big time…

    So I strongly suggest you remain in the realm of “secularity” to make your posts count relevantly…because for you, your prophet is your master…while for us Jesus Christ is our Master…

    Is it that you want to “impress” your prophet and his scoan church so much so that your MASTER can take note of you and “elevate” you to become his Wiseman whose ministry apparently appears to be going out of fashion in scoan lately on Emmanuel TV or probably you want to become his Female Evangelist whose ministry apparently is now the new faze and is set to replace that of the Wisemen… as your master pleases and not as the scriptures dictates…

    Mr. Maestro…be a rich maestro and not a poor mediocre like your peers the “die-hard” online scoanites and monetize each of your posts and charge your prophet $100 per post (VAT inclusive) so if you post ten times a day… that’ll fetch you a thousand dollar bills daily…

    Do the math on that for 30 days…that’ll be 30 grand right???

    Well that is approximately what your prophet spends monthly in hiring the services of expensive lawyers to try keep him out of the coroner court…$30 grand’s a cool N5 million naira monthly …

    But if I be you and you be I …you’d be a much smarter maestro and even make more cash money in the millions of dollars by going straight to the Satanic-Master of your prophet-master and tell that antichrist dude that you’re tired of playing second fiddle to your prophet and you’re ready for the Real Mc-coy…so you want to be on your own and be dishing out your own prophecies of death, tragedies, tears, plane crashes, terrorism, collapsed buildings, bloodshed and of course soccer results at an even more higher accuracy level of your prophet…that you will be very ruthless and ready to sacrifice at least double or treble the number of souls your prophet has already sacrificed so far…

    Come on now…you can do this,,,
    If you don’t know how and where to find your master’s master a.k.a Baphomet…

    Try downloading occult books like:

    The sixth & seven books of Moses…
    The occult books of Nimrod the Sage..
    The magical books of Jannes & Jambres..
    The prophetess books of Jezebel & Naodiah
    The crooked books of Wytchery & Wyzardry…

    They’ll sure show you how…

    Now don’t go watching Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings type of movies…cause that’s not the real deal..they’re just Hollywood film tricks meant as “appetizers” to captivate your mind so as to be interested in occult things…

    Finally..if that still don’t cut it for you…then I don’t know what will…cause these false prophets won’t tell you their satanic secrets…unless they initiate you first…

    Maybe you can google out how SELF-INITIATE yourself into Satanism…
    Try that too…you never know what the “cat” might drag into your download tray…

    Goodluck…

    Lest I forget…

    EMMANUEEEEEL…

  15. TB Joshua’s followers don’t want to examine the facts because it would mean that they’ve wasted years of their lives and opportunities on a lie. They actively choose to close their eyes to the editing of prophecy, shoddy building practices, bribery, corruption, sexual abuse and so on and continue to focus all attention on TB Joshua. What about Boko Haram, terrorists in his own backyard? TB Joshua said Boko Haram would be eliminated before the end of 2014 and look how they took over a military base in Baga a few days ago. Look what happened on his own compound claiming 116 lives. But yes, his followers won’t stop to consider these contradictions because it exposes contradictions within themselves to great to bear.

  16. Scoanite John…

    Knock it off and let it go…

    All your efforts to vindicate your prophet’s false prophecies are in vain…especially that of the “Chibok Girls” who we now call the “Chibok Wives” since they are now married to boko haram field commanders and some are even pregnant and very soon they will become the “Chibok Mothers”…simply “nailed” your false prophet’s false behind to the burning stake…

    THE CHIBOKS WILL BE RELEASED VERY SOON UN-HURT, UN-ABUSED, UN-MARRIED & UN-PREGNANT OR ELSE HE IS UN-CALLED BY GOD…

    http://dailypost.ng/2014/06/13/chibok-girls-pregnant-others-may-never-return-obasanjo/

    It is written…For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be CONDEMNED…Matthew 12:37!

    Mathematically Speaking…
    We Have Proven Our Case!
    Quod Erat Demonstrandum (QED)!

    • @ Brother Nosa,

      The post that you sent the other day about the strikes concerning the High Court. It only goes to show that they rather want a lawless country and greed for money than have Justice done.

      It has all to do with the elections. And those that are deeply entrenched in their posts where corruption is the outer layer of their existence and work schedule.

      Watch this video for enlightenment concerning lying and why liars do what they do for covering up their crimes.

      A lot of people have no shame whatsoever nor scruples for what they are doing as long as an agenda can be carried out that is in favour of themselves.

      I think the overall picture is maybe a bit larger than we presently are thinking. For e.g. how convenient it is for world leaders to have a false private prophet that actually gets inside information to tell of what they are actually need to do, to form a one world order government.

      You know it is very hard to deceive genuine good intelligent Christians so what do you need ? Right a false private prophet that has the ability to deceive them when it is very close to what the Bible is writing about.

      Unfortunately we see that nearly any “prophecy” that has been done or recorded has a result of dead people. But notice that when the prophecies are done, they never have the exact date, exact time, and exact place within 10 square feet. I don’t know about you, but if the so called private prophets can tell you your “bank account, telephone number, letters you have in your bag, arguments you have in your tribe, how much children you have, what you did eat and where you are being confronted with”. That when it comes to “world prophecies” it all of sudden lacks every detail that would be necessary to make it a genuine prophecy. I have not met any prophet that is capable of doing or is doing this. And TB Joshua is no different into that. Personally what can I do with any of the prophecies that TB Joshua does ? How does it enhance my personal spiritual life in whatever form ? These things you never hear SCOANITES explain, nor his followers all they care about it is “it comes to pass”. Then as we all have been discussing that they afterwards are very adamant to publish it as a promotion of himself and SCOAN and that everybody needs to come to Lagos for that to see it for themselves and go through the Zap, Zap, Zap experience. I myself and my wife and others have been through that and looking back, I don’t see any advantage, use, or help with it. It has not changed me, then as answer you get Oh you did not have enough faith. Then the Bible says: Romans 12:3 For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith. or even better. “For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to EVERY man the measure of faith.”

      How can anyone then tell you, you don’t have faith, or no faith, or no faith at all ? It’s impossible and how much do you need ?

      Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

      So we all have at least a grain of mustard seed faith which will move mountains according that Jesus says and not what I hear TB Joshua saying. For example here:

      Nobody questions him about this or even confront him about this whatsoever and that is the problem here. Everybody blindingly does and believes literally what he says.

      I believe it has to do with INCULCATION:

      1. To impress (something) upon the mind of another by frequent instruction or repetition; instill: inculcating sound principles.
      2. To teach (others) by frequent instruction or repetition; indoctrinate: inculcate the young with a sense of duty.

      If it were sound principles it would be right, but they are not sound, they are mixed with other things such as the belief in:

      1. Anointed water
      2. Faith bracelet
      3. Wristband
      4. Cloth
      5. Oil
      6. point of contact

      But none of it is a continuous repetitive ministry application in the Bible.

      Another example is when for example I have to travel I try to see my travel route in my minds eye and notice that traveling almost goes automatically without really thinking.

      With inculcating or brainwashing you can achieve precisely the same thing unless you start to resist it that it is not correct before you see the reality.

      What would it be that so many cannot discern whatsever that so many things are missing like a bad cut up movie pasted together and the observer goes from frame to frame and still believe it was a really good movie they were watching there but the actual story has gone elusive in the whole matter if they were looking closer to it. Can it be they have no abilities to do their own intelligent interaction with the Holy Spirit themselves or even the desire to have this and that they rather lazily let somebody else take out the hot chestnuts out of the fire instead of getting in deep relationship with God themselves and have the Christian walk personally ? All I hear is, TB Joshua this, TB Joshua that, TB Joshua so, but not Jesus, God, Holy Spirit experiences they have themselves in their lives.

  17. Hi
    I find this rather interesting. I must say I remember watching that live service on my laptop that very day and I didn’t pay much attention to it because I thought it was a random prophecy. Prophet TB Joshua stated ‘Wednesday, Thursday and Friday’ to denote the length of time it’ll take to eradicate the attack. Indeed, the attack began on Wednesday and ended Friday, with the three gunmen dead.
    He prophesied it will happen in Paris, not in Marseille or Bordeaux, but Paris. Doesn’t that show accuracy and detail? I think he is a blessed man, with a pure heart and has been called to lead millions of people to the path of righteousness.

    • @ Deborah,

      We also know his parents were Muslim and there is a lot of evidence that he has ties with Muslims/ they even have been there and gave him a tribal robe which he did not rip off when he was clothed with it and that he even might be a closet Muslim and he also refuses to renounce Islam as a false religion. and a call to repent and that Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And that Mo’ is a false prophet.

      • @ Jesse

        A true Christian is not one to bash others however to spread love to the ends of the world and share the gospel to the entire world. What power does a person have to renounce a religion when the main aim is to spread the Word of the God? You claim his parents were Muslim? So what? How does that make TB Joshua less of a Christian? No one has the same calling in life. Do you follow the exact ways or thinking as your parents? I don’t think so because you are an individual who is unique. Rather that seeking for every flaw or downfall in this man, why do we all see how this man is unique and different to other pastors/prophets/minister etc. You can watch his documentary, where it gives you an accurate insight to his life whereby you can actually see TB Joshua’s hard work and growth.

        Jesus said in Mathew 7:15-16 that you can distinguish the ways of a false prophets by the fruits he/she bears. And evidently, TB Joshua continues to bear good fruits for the people of the nation.

      • @ Deborah,

        Oh that explains all the 4 dead people and a broken leg person and many hurt because of a stampede in a Ghana Crusade he organized when he said about the “anointed water” Go get it and everybody went mad for it. And he clearly did not see that either prophetically was it now ?

        Now we have landed at the Hostel building that collapsed. I have never seen a person bringing up different stories and stories put online of the different reasons they have why it happened.

        Concerning that video you are referring to. There are so many videos. I can watch Bill Gates’ video building Microsoft, Sai Baba’s one. Reverend Moon and the Moonies, The BaHai temple. The hanging gardens of Nebucadnezzar, The Church of Euthanasia (CoE) is a dadaist organization started by Rev. Chris Korda in the Boston, The Jerry Springer Show titled “I Want to Join a Suicide Cult”, Nation of Yahweh:
        “Black people are the true Jews”, Raëlism “Scientifically advanced humanoid extraterrestrials created humans”, Aum Shinrikyo is a Japanese religious group created by Shoko Asahara, The Body of Christ, Founder’s son was not fed and died; they were “waiting for a sign from God to feed him”, The Church of Maradona (footballer), reportedly count 80,000 members from more than 60 countries around the world.

        Why should I look at a video of what he has built ? How many dead people have resulted in all of this ? Who wants to be with a church of which their prophet that prophesies mainly death as a result outcome. Telling us that God is telling him that and nobody stick out a finger to change the course of direction of those who die in that life. Is there any point ? Please don’t tell me, as long “as it comes to pass” it is the evidence that God is speaking. I know certain prophets who have seen all over to the year 3000. And there are prophets who even seen further. And what can I do with all that ? It’s to no use for me. Useless. Totally and completely. All that I have seen is so far death, plane crashes, train crashes, buildings burning down, terrorist attacks and in SCOAN they pray their head off week in week out and still they get attacked, how silly it all is. And stop with the story if you are close to God, you will be attacked. Right so were all the terrorists attacks right ? In Iraq they are close to God ? In New York they were close to God ? In France in Charlie Hedbo they were close to God ? I am sick and tired of these standard crap answers that people have to justify their adulation and idolatry of their idols they have. And they think that their private prophet will lead them to paradise. Do you realize that that is not so and that it is personal journey and that no prophet can save you ? That it is a personal choice and that you have to work out your salvation with fear and trembling ? That it is not once saved always saved ? And here we see the whole world going after their personal messiahs and where do they go in the end ? Why follow somebody who makes a faith bracelet and tells you “more of you God, less of me as a mantra” ?

        What does the bible say about that ? Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

        That alone is showing you that it is not right there. And then we have the “anointing water” that is a replacement religion because it looks like you can’t do anything without it. Is that how the Gospel works ? What about suffering that is written in the Bible in Hebrews 11 ? Where people not even were able to get what they needed and went through horrible situations yet were saved BY THEIR FAITH and not by their superstition in replacement trinkets in what they so badly need ? Does God not know what you need ?

        MAtthew 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. Why you have to go through another person of what you can ask directly yourself and you can receive it by your own effort. Why this lazy Christianity ? And this horrible circus pandemonium ? Look what you see 30-40-50 years ago. Nobody was doing all these deliverances and people are doing their things and look at so many who are successful without all this ridiculous deliverance. It’s madness. This obsession of what is for me fake and misleading people day in day out. There are millions of people successful in their lives and don’t need any deliverance whatsoever. Nor do you see any celebrities knocking at SCOANS door for deliverance. Not even Eskimos. Or high level Satanists. High level witches. All this ridiculous nonsense that takes place in SCOAN is substitute religion for what it is supposed to be.

        He was incapable to prophesy over me, and incapable to prophesy over my wife in who he said she was married and married before and she never was. Nothing was happening anywhere in our group. Nor those we stood proxy for. And then you get videos where you are blamed that you don’t have faith. That’s a lie. The bible says: Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to EVERY man the measure of faith.

        How can he tell the whole world that if they are not healed THEY HAVE NO FAITH. He is a false teacher and does not know doctrine that is supposed to be the right teaching. He is making it up as he goes along and people like you taking this as infallibility. And the most terrible thing is that you see him as the major prophet of the world. Yet every body dies. He just sits upon his hands. He only wants to say it and don’t want to do nothing. Why give people a story and then sit back and look at is gloating at peoples pain. You call that right ? Well I don’t. Sorry, look up for me an old stupid Jew, but I am not into this crap. I was done with it then, so I am done with it now ! All he thinks is his own skin and you only look how he hangs out the philanthropist of other peoples money. He is not working in the tent maker business is it now ? Does he have a side job in the Grocery store ? The butcher ? If it was so that Paul did it, why is he exempt ? Paul single handedly evangelized nearly the entire world, plus he wrote almost all of the new Testament and not even seen as an Apostle by himself because he thought he is the least one. Paul never went around to do only deliverance. There were a few. That’s it. It’s a sham ! I am 100 % convinced. When people finally will find out that it was after all a total disappointment and that they were duped and ended up in hell because they were running after a false private prophet that had deceived them all along. Sorry but I can’t afford such risks for myself. I want to be with Jesus and not end up in hell because I was too stupid to discern that it was wrong all along. He is not getting me in Heaven I have to work that out all by myself everybody must so. I have enough of following people. They are nothing more than a disappointment.

      • @Jesse

        Seem like the reply button has being removed under your latest reply, so I have to post it here.

        But you should understand the world’s greatest enemy is the devil. As humans, we are all vulnerable and that makes it easy for the devil to instigate and create problems leading to us doubting the works of God and the leaders of God. People can put on a visage of being righteous and can be ‘praying their heads off in SCOAN’ as you stated but what they have hidden in closed doors may be a door of full of darkness. Terrorist attacks, killings etc are all evil works. Any one in this world is prone to death whether a theist or an atheist, whether a person who worships at SCOAN or a person who doesn’t worship at SCOAN. As you know, God loves us all equally, there’s no so such thing as favouritism, thus a person worshipping at SCOAN doesn’t have more of God’s favour than a person worshiping at a different church, it all depends on the person’s heart.

        It is of human nature to aspire to, or follow a leader who brings good and happiness to ones life. With such catastrophes and disasters that has occurred at the SCOAN, don’t you think it is rather interesting how even more people are attending SCOAN’s fellowships? It’s one thing to listen and take advice from a wise one and it is another to think a wise person will automatically make you wise. This is the misconception of many people today. There are many who thinks a prophet/pastor etc will take them straight to heaven but it doesn’t work that way. Leaders of God are there to help strengthen your salvation and assist in having a strong, growing relationship with God in this evil world we live in. With the holy water and car stickers, it’s rather unfortunate that people think they cannot function without it, again misconception, however it should be used as a sign of protection, just as having two locks on one door for protection. I see nothing wrong using the holy water. Many Roman Catholic churches ( I attend a Roman Catholic Church) use many things to denote holiness and protection of the Lord. Such includes burning of incense and sprinkling of holy water. Does that make the Roman Catholic practices wrong?

        You are using Hebrews 11 in the wrong context here. Hebrews 11 depicts how faith is to be the hope we cling to in life. It doesn’t matter whether you are in a good or bad situation. The chapter also shows how faith keeps you encourage and strong, gives us a better meaning to life. Yet inevitably didn’t Abel, the faithful one who offered a more excellent sacrifice than Cain by faith, get murdered? By his own brother? Though Abel is dead, it is of his faith we cling to. It is by faith that the holy water or prayer or car stickers will work. It works so well for many that they begin to rely on it, sometimes losing the main reason to why they may be using it.

        In Matthew 6:7, the word used to describe the repetition of prayer is ‘vain’. Vain in this context implies praying for the sake of praying, prayer having no meaning or relevance, just to seek attention. Again, no one can see the heart of a prayer man. You nor I are to judge the intention of prayer of people who fellowship at SCOAN.

        You seem to comparing everyone on the same level. Remember we are all different people. What you may find very easy in life, I might find extremely difficult. There are millions of people who are successful as you rightfully said, but the path to which they gain success may not be attainable to others as we are all different. Point of correction I DO NOT see him as a major prophet in the world. Right there, you are flawed. This is exactly what I mean. No one can pass out judgement on anyone. Thus it’s wrong and very insulting to see someone as false when you know very little of what they think or do. Before you form tangible opinions, you need to have both pros and cons and you weigh up the difference in an unbiased manner. You seem to say a lot about this man, do you know him on a personal level? I don’t think so. This is a typical example of passing bad judgement and you rightfully know that, it is not right in the eyes of God.

        Well, if you actually watched his documentary, you would see that TB Joshua worked as a cleaner in the church, washed toilets, unclogged toilets! wept floors, cooked and served food for the people and many more as well as evangelised earnestly to the people. Clearly, as I said, you need research both sides of a story before you jump into conclusions. Just to let you know, I am not a SCOANIST or whatever terms people have come out with, I am just a person curious about how God works and see a genuine heart in TB Joshua.

      • @ Deborah,

        I am going to read your post for a while and think about it and then answer you. Is that Ok ?

    • To Deborah,

      I hope you can find yourself into my answers.

      But you should understand the world’s greatest enemy is the devil.

      Answer: No, the greatest enemy is ourselves, the flesh, fear and unbelief.

      As humans, we are all vulnerable and that makes it easy for the devil to instigate and create problems leading to us

      doubting the works of God and the leaders of God.

      Answer: No, walking in the flesh and giving into the flesh we make ourselves vulnerable. The Devil cannot do anything

      if you don’t want it to. James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

      People can put on a visage of being righteous and can be ‘praying their heads off in SCOAN’ as you stated but what

      they have hidden in closed doors may be a door of full of darkness. Terrorist attacks, killings etc are all evil

      works.

      Answer: Going back to them and kill them all off with bombs and heavy artillery is the answer to that then and not

      evil ?

      Any one in this world is prone to death whether a theist or an atheist, whether a person who worships at SCOAN or a

      person who doesn’t worship at SCOAN.

      Answer: Agreed, And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered

      to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
      Hebrews 9:27-28

      As you know, God loves us all equally, there’s no so such thing as favouritism, thus a person worshipping at SCOAN

      doesn’t have more of God’s favour than a person worshiping at a different church, it all depends on the person’s

      heart.

      Answer: Agreed, Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But

      in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. Acts 10:34-35

      It is of human nature to aspire to, or follow a leader who brings good and happiness to ones life. With such

      catastrophes and disasters that has occurred at the SCOAN, don’t you think it is rather interesting how even more

      people are attending SCOAN’s fellowships?

      Answer: No, it is well known that the majority of mankind just does that what is opposite. This is even in any

      occassion applicable. Those leaders know this and exploit this or even set the stage for that. The carnal man will

      react like that, the spiritual man does not but investigates it and unravels it and sees to that he/she is not

      deceived in the trap. Jeremiah 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth

      snares; they set a trap, they catch men.

      It’s one thing to listen and take advice from a wise one and it is another to think a wise person will automatically

      make you wise. This is the misconception of many people today. There are many who thinks a prophet/pastor etc will

      take them straight to heaven but it doesn’t work that way.

      Answer: Agreed, John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the

      Father, but by me.

      Leaders of God are there to help strengthen your salvation and assist in having a strong, growing relationship with

      God in this evil world we live in.

      Answer: a true leader and man of God I agree, but experience learns that most are deceiving the masses with tricks

      and trinkets. Mark 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ/anointed one/stand in the place of and

      be a messiah; and shall deceive many. Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come

      in my name, saying, I am Christ/anointed one/stand in the place of and be a messiah; and the time draweth near: go ye

      NOT therefore after them.

      With the holy water and car stickers, it’s rather unfortunate that people think they cannot function without it,

      again misconception, however it should be used as a sign of protection, just as having two locks on one door for

      protection. I see nothing wrong using the holy water. Many Roman Catholic churches ( I attend a Roman Catholic

      Church) use many things to denote holiness and protection of the Lord. Such includes burning of incense and

      sprinkling of holy water. Does that make the Roman Catholic practices wrong?

      Answer: Yes, Catholicism is wrong. It does saint worship, nothing in the bible says you do this, this is idolatry.

      1. Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am

      the last; and beside me there is no God.

      1. Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the DEAD know not any thing, neither have they any

      more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. So there you have your answer that passed away canonized Saints

      cannot do anything for you, no matter how much and hard you pray to them.

      The right way is to pray:

      John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in My Name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
      John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in My Name, I will do it.

      You are using Hebrews 11 in the wrong context here. Hebrews 11 depicts how faith is to be the hope we cling to in

      life. It doesn’t matter whether you are in a good or bad situation. The chapter also shows how faith keeps you

      encourage and strong, gives us a better meaning to life. Yet inevitably didn’t Abel, the faithful one who offered a

      more excellent sacrifice than Cain by faith, get murdered? By his own brother?

      Answer: Abel was killed because of jealousy which is a sin. One of the 7 sins that God hates. But Cain still inherits

      a mark from God and is sent away.

      After Cain killed his brother Abel, God declared to Cain, Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which

      opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. When you work the ground, it will no longer yield

      its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth. Genesis 4:11-12 In response, Cain lamented, My

      punishment is more than I can bear. Today You are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from Your Presence;

      I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me Genesis 4:13-14. God responded, Not so;

      if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over. Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who

      found him would kill him. Genesis 4:15-16. We don’t know what that mark is. But it is there to save Cain to make sure

      nobody kills him.

      Though Abel is dead, it is of his faith we cling to. It is by faith that the holy water or prayer or car stickers

      will work. It works so well for many that they begin to rely on it, sometimes losing the main reason to why they may

      be using it.

      Answer: I have used numerous of these trinkets from all kinds of ministers and those from TB Joshua, none of them

      worked with me. I have taken it to other people and it still did not work. The only thing that has worked for me is

      Olive oil. I use it for all kinds of things. It’s biblical and it is justified by Scripture and God honours it.

      In Matthew 6:7, the word used to describe the repetition of prayer is ‘vain’. Vain in this context implies praying

      for the sake of praying, prayer having no meaning or relevance, just to seek attention. Again, no one can see the

      heart of a prayer man. You nor I are to judge the intention of prayer of people who fellowship at SCOAN.

      Yes we can, the repetative incantantions of “More of you, less of me, more of You, less of me” is repetative and the

      Word of God says is futile. Why teach it and practice it ? God answers single sentences just like that. Also burst

      prayers as well. God answers even when you just say, What do you want me to do today, Lord ? Show me ? This public

      prayers are just not cutting it. And it clearly did show that with the building collapse. It’s repetition. Not what

      is presribed in the Bible. The Template is:

      Our Father, Hallowed be Thy Name,……

      With “Template” I say, now you need to pray what the Holy Spirit is teaching you in that “template”, which Jesus

      showed us. Everything is in there already.

      You seem to comparing everyone on the same level.

      Answer: No I don’t, I am very aware that people are on different levels with their faith. But TB Joshua is not

      teaching that whatsoever. It’s all about what he wants and dictates and not what we actually need to know. Which

      makes people depended upon him and SCOAN.

      Remember we are all different people. What you may find very easy in life, I might find extremely difficult.

      Answer: I have got no problem with that. Don’t know why you think I think that that is not so.

      There are millions of people who are successful as you rightfully said, but the path to which they gain success may

      not be attainable to others as we are all different.

      Point of correction I DO NOT see him as a major prophet in the world. Right there, you are flawed. This is exactly

      what I mean. No one can pass out judgement on anyone. Thus it’s wrong and very insulting to see someone as false when

      you know very little of what they think or do.

      I know exactly what they do, I have been part of it for quite a while. I know what they think and I know what they

      do. They don’t listen to anyone than themselves. Very prideful, selfwilled people.

      Before you form tangible opinions, you need to have both pros and cons and you weigh up the difference in an unbiased

      manner. You seem to say a lot about this man, do you know him on a personal level? I don’t think so. This is a

      typical example of passing bad judgement and you rightfully know that, it is not right in the eyes of God.

      I can know him on a personal level in the way he speaks and behaves and does. It’s for all to see. It is right in

      God’s Eyes to judge.

      John 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.

      1 Corinthians 6:1-6 When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous

      instead of the saints? Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by

      you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then,

      matters pertaining to this life! So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in

      the church? I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute

      between the brothers……

      Leviticus 19:15 You shall do no injustice in court. You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but

      in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor.

      Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

      Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of

      soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

      I refer you further down to the posts of Meastro below that I answered.

      Well, if you actually watched his documentary, you would see that TB Joshua worked as a cleaner in the church, washed

      toilets, unclogged toilets! wept floors, cooked and served food for the people and many more as well as evangelised

      earnestly to the people. Clearly, as I said, you need research both sides of a story before you jump into

      conclusions. Just to let you know, I am not a SCOANIST or whatever terms people have come out with, I am just a

      person curious about how God works and see a genuine heart in TB Joshua

      I have watched the video and documentary long time. So when I wash, sweep, unclog toilets, cook and serve food I pass

      for being a pastor or the right to be a “speshul” person ?????? I hope you are aware that showing outward works is

      not paying me ticket to go to heaven or to lead any church whatsover.

      What is clear is the sack loads of money and using it to play nice weather to others that keeps everything going. Not

      the cleaning of toilets, sweep road, cook, and the like. Go find some slaves for that will you now ?

      • @ TBJW,

        Is it possible if you can kindly remove the “Returns” out of my above post and make the formation of the text connected ? Sorry, I didn’t want this to happen as such and since I can’t edit it here, I appreciate it for your help. Sorry about that. I edited it outside your website and I did not check it that these “returns” were in the text when I pasted it back in the post box here. I can write you a check or send you my goodwill. But I ask it as a charity. 😉 So much thanks for that.

      • @Jesse I tried, but without any “returns” it actually looked worse (all one mass of text), and I don’t have the time to work out which returns should be there and which shouldn’t. Sorry.

    • Dear Deborah,

      But you should understand the world’s greatest enemy is the devil.

      Answer: No, the greatest enemy is ourselves, the flesh, fear and unbelief.

      As humans, we are all vulnerable and that makes it easy for the devil to instigate
      and create problems leading to us doubting the works of God and the leaders of God.

      Answer: No, walking in the flesh and giving into the flesh we make ourselves vulnerable.
      The Devil cannot do anything if you don’t want it to. James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore
      to God.Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

      People can put on a visage of being righteous and can be ‘praying their heads off in SCOAN’
      as you stated but what they have hidden in closed doors may be a door of full of darkness.
      Terrorist attacks, killings etc are all evil works.

      Answer: Going back to them and kill them all off with bombs and heavy artillery is the answer
      to that then and not evil ? That’s just as evil.

      Any one in this world is prone to death whether a theist or an atheist, whether a person who
      worships at SCOAN or a person who doesn’t worship at SCOAN.

      Answer: Agreed, And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
      So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him
      shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

      Hebrews 9:27-28 As you know, God loves us all equally, there’s no so such thing as favouritism,
      thus a person worshipping at SCOAN doesn’t have more of God’s favour than a person worshiping at
      a different church, it all depends on the person’s heart.

      Answer: Agreed, Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is
      no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness,
      is accepted with him. Acts 10:34-35 It is of human nature to aspire to, or follow a leader
      who brings good and happiness to ones life. With such catastrophes and disasters that has
      occurred at the SCOAN, don’t you think it is rather interesting how even more people are attending
      SCOAN’s fellowships?

      Answer: No, it is well known that the majority of mankind just does that what is opposite.
      This is even in any occassion applicable. Look around. The more outrageous, the more people
      follow it. Rather more out of curiosity than reflection whether is is a good idea. And they
      know this in SCOAN and TB Joshua is exploiting this.

      Those leaders and government officials know this and exploit this or even set the stage for that.
      The carnal man will react like that, the spiritual man does not but investigates it and unravels
      it and sees to that he/she is not deceived in the trap.

      Jeremiah 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares;
      they set a trap, they catch men.

      It’s one thing to listen and take advice from a wise one and it is another to think
      a wise person will automatically make you wise. This is the misconception of many people today.
      There are many who thinks a prophet/pastor etc will take them straight to heaven but it
      doesn’t work that way.

      Answer: Agreed, John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
      no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Leaders of God are there to help strengthen your
      salvation and assist in having a strong, growing relationship with God in this evil world we live in.

      Answer: a true leader and man of God I agree, but experience learns that most are deceiving
      the masses with tricks and trinkets. Mark 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying,
      I am Christ/anointed one/stand in the place of and be a messiah; and shall deceive many.
      Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name,
      saying, I am Christ/anointed one/stand in the place of and be a messiah; and the time draweth near:
      go ye NOT therefore after them.

      With the holy water and car stickers, it’s rather unfortunate that people think they cannot
      function without it, again misconception, however it should be used as a sign of protection,
      just as having two locks on one door for protection.

      I see nothing wrong using the holy water. Many Roman Catholic churches ( I attend a Roman Catholic
      Church) use many things to denote holiness and protection of the Lord.
      Such includes burning of incense and sprinkling of holy water. Does that make the Roman
      Catholic practices wrong?

      Answer: Yes, Catholicism is wrong. It does saint worship, transsubstantiation of the communion
      nothing in the bible says or teaches you do this, this is downright idolatry.

      1. Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts;
        I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
      2. Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the DEAD know not any thing,
        neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. So there you have
        your answer that passed away canonized Saints cannot do anything for you, no matter how much
        and hard you pray to them.

      The right way is to pray:

      John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in My Name, that will I do, that the Father may
      be glorified in the Son.
      John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in My Name, I will do it.

      You are using Hebrews 11 in the wrong context here. Hebrews 11 depicts how faith is to be
      the hope we cling to in life.
      It doesn’t matter whether you are in a good or bad situation. The chapter also shows how faith
      keeps you encourage and strong,
      gives us a better meaning to life. Yet inevitably didn’t Abel, the faithful one who offered
      a more excellent sacrifice than Cain by faith, get murdered? By his own brother?

      Answer: Abel was killed because of jealousy which is a sin. One of the 7 sins that God hates.
      But Cain still inherits a mark from God and is sent away.

      After Cain killed his brother Abel, God declared to Cain, Now you are under a curse and driven
      from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand.
      When you work the ground, It will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer
      on the earth. Genesis 4:11-12 In response, Cain lamented, My punishment is more than I can bear.
      Today You are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from Your Presence; I will be a restless
      wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me Genesis 4:13-14. God responded, Not so;
      if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over. Then the Lord put a mark on Cain
      so that no one who found him would kill him. Genesis 4:15-16. We don’t know what that mark is.
      But it is there to save Cain to make sure nobody kills him.

      Though Abel is dead, it is of his faith we cling to. It is by faith that the holy water or prayer
      or car stickers will work. It works so well for many that they begin to rely on it, sometimes
      losing the main reason to why they may be using it.

      Answer: I have used numerous of these trinkets from all kinds of ministers and those from
      TB Joshua, none of them worked with or on me. I have taken it to other people and it still did not work
      on them either. The only thing that has worked for me is Olive oil. I use it for all kinds of things.
      It’s biblical and it is justified by Scripture and God honours it because of that.

      In Matthew 6:7, the word used to describe the repetition of prayer is ‘vain’.
      Vain in this context implies praying for the sake of praying, prayer having no meaning or relevance,
      just to seek attention. Again, no one can see the heart of a prayer man. You nor I are to judge
      the intention of prayer of people who fellowship at SCOAN.

      Yes we can, the repetative incantantions of “More of you, less of me, more of You, less of me” is
      repetative and the Word of God and Jesus says is futile. Why teach it and practice it ? God answers
      single sentences just like that. Also burst prayers as well. God answers even when you just say,
      What do you want me to do today, Lord ? Show me ?
      These public prayers are just not cutting it. And it clearly did show that with the building collapse.
      It’s repetition. Not what is presribed in the Bible. The Template is:

      Our Father, Hallowed be Thy Name,……

      With “Template” I say, now you need to pray what the Holy Spirit is teaching you in that “template”,
      which Jesus showed us.

      Everything is in there already.

      You seem to comparing everyone on the same level.

      Answer: No I don’t, I am very aware that people are on different levels with their faith.
      But TB Joshua is not teaching that whatsoever. It’s all about what he wants and dictates and not
      what we actually need to know. Which makes people depended upon him and SCOAN.

      Remember we are all different people. What you may find very easy in life,
      I might find extremely difficult.

      Answer: I have got no problem with that. Don’t know why you think I think that that is not so ?

      There are millions of people who are successful as you rightfully said, but the path to which they
      gain success may not be attainable to others as we are all different.

      Point of correction I DO NOT see him as a major prophet in the world. Right there, you are flawed.
      This is exactly what I mean. No one can pass out judgement on anyone. Thus it’s wrong and very
      insulting to see someone as false when you know very little of what they think or do.

      Answer: I know exactly what they do, I have been part of it for quite a while. I know what they think
      and I know what they do. They don’t listen to anyone than themselves. Very prideful, selfwilled people.
      They do what they want. No matter what. Everything is right in their eyes and because they can get away
      with it that is why they still do it. They become complete different people when you are not with
      them on the same page of what they do.

      Before you form tangible opinions, you need to have both pros and cons and you weigh up the
      difference in an unbiased manner. You seem to say a lot about this man, do you know him on
      a personal level? I don’t think so. This is a typical example of passing bad judgement and you
      rightfully know that, it is not right in the eyes of God.

      I can know him on a personal level in the way he speaks and behaves and does. As the heart if full,
      so speaks the mouth. It’s for all to see. It is right in God’s Eyes to judge.

      John 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.

      1 Corinthians 6:1-6 When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law
      before the unrighteous instead of the saints? Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world?
      And if the world is to be judged by you,are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know
      that we are to judge angels?

      How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! So if you have such cases, why do you lay
      them before those who have no standing in the church? I say this to your shame.
      Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers……

      Leviticus 19:15 You shall do no injustice in court. You shall not be partial to the poor or
      defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor.

      Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but
      inwardly are ravenous wolves.

      Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword,
      piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the
      thoughts and intentions of the heart.

      I refer you further down to the posts of Meastro below that I answered.

      Well, if you actually watched his documentary, you would see that TB Joshua worked as a cleaner
      in the church, washed toilets, unclogged toilets! wept floors, cooked and served food for
      the people and many more as well as evangelised earnestly to the people. Clearly, as I said,
      you need research both sides of a story before you jump into conclusions. Just to let you know,
      I am not a SCOANIST or whatever terms people have come out with, I am just a person curious
      about how God works and see a genuine heart in TB Joshua.

      And how does God work ? Is that how He works ? To let people die because of neglect, deliberate diversion
      of the course of Justice ? Finding loopholes in the law with lawyers ?

      So does that mean I have no genuine heart, is that what you are saying ? I have watched the video and
      documentary long time and several times. So when I wash, sweep, unclog toilets, cook and serve food I
      only then can pass for being a pastor or the right to be a “speshul” person ?????? I hope you are aware
      that showing outward works is not paying or getting me a ticket to go to heaven or to lead any church
      whatsoever. You can even do all the things as Matthew 7 says and Jesus says, I never knew you.

      What is clear is the sack loads of money which comes from their tithes and offerings as well
      missionary money and using it to play nice weather to others that keeps everything going and
      the dedication of the workers who deliberately want to cover up.Not the cleaning of toilets, sweep road, cook,
      and the like. Go find some slaves for that will you now ?

      • @ TBJW,

        I rewrote this whole article how come it is still full of wrong enters. I all removed them and replaced them with soft enters and made the text fit to a certain border. I used Shift-Enter ? It must be something in the text of Deborah that causes this.

  18. Scoanite…

    You are missing the point here…please understand the “divine purpose” of the “Ministry of the Prophets” as a divine calling from God unto men to lead the sinful man back on the track of repentance and righteousness unto God! Period!

    (Hosea 12:10,13…I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the “ministry of the prophets”…And by a prophet the LORD brought Israel out of Egypt [sinfulness], and by a prophet was he preserved [in righteousness]….)

    First of all your prophet’s prophecies are by trial & error…we have to start a debate if it is accurate or not when evidently many of them have failed woefully…notably the Ebola and Chibok prophecies…whereas if it is totally accurate and 100% exact like that of the Biblical prophets no one would argue it out with you at all…

    Second of all when Biblical prophets gave grave warnings in their days to people of impending danger they also gave a remedial solution to the people that caused them to repent unto God and the danger was averted like Jonah and the imminent destruction of Nineveh likewise Elijah and the three year drought in Israel as well as Joseph and the seven year famine in Egypt…

    The “gift of prophecy” is not a “political tool” for predicting presidential election results, football results, terrorist attacks, plane crashes, building collapses and whatever else catches the lustful evil imaginations of these false prophets abusing the usefulness of prophecy to the extent where people all over the world including world leaders now ignore it whether it be of God or not…

    Sometimes back, I too have asked the Lord to reveal to me who will win a crucial champions league final match..and it was shown to me that Chelsea will prevail over Bayern…and they did…to my joy and delight especially with Drogba scoring the winning goal…

    But should I now as a “prominent” prophet go out on Satellite TV to tell the whole world of bookmakers and betters and gamblers to stake their cash on Chelsea and be promoting such ungodly vices of bookmakers & gamblers?

    A Capital NO!
    But for your prophet..
    A Capital YES!

    The gift of prophecy is scripturally meant to “edify” the church in holiness & righteousness as well as “convict” the sinners unto repentance and salvation…that is why it is one of the most important if not the most important gift of the Spirit…hence we are all scripturally commanded to desire to have that gift…Copy That???

    (1 Corinthians 12:31 & 14:22-25,39..But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way…Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth…Wherefore, brethren, covet [desire] to prophesy…)

    Any other form of use or abuse of the gift of prophecy signifies that that gift of prophecy is contrary to the Word of God and is not of God but a satanic gift from the antichrist….

    This is the Truth!

    Spiritualists, Seances & Voodoo Priest do prophesy and it comes to pass you know…so who gave them that gift of prophecy satan or God???

    The answer is obvious!!

    That is why we are telling you ignorant scoanites that your prophet is operating with a contrary “spirit of divination” that is why many of his divinations or prophecies (if you like) are manipulations of the devil…hence we see many failed prophecies trailing him which somehow you manage NOT to see…and they are quite at “crossroads” with all the prophecies of all the prophets in the Bible that is 100% accurate and not a single one has failed nor will ever fail until all be fulfilled…

    (Matthew 5:17-18…Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil [Bible prophecy]…For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass [kingdom come], one jot or one tittle [of Bible prophecy] shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled..)

    That is why we believe 100% everything that is written in the scriptures isn’t it???

    For instance if some Bible prophecies have been fulfilled while some have failed…how then can we be cock-sure certain even at the point of death that the others won’t be a 50/50 chance of fulfillment???

    Especially the “yet to be fulfilled” most important prophecy of all time namely: The Second Coming of Christ…

    Back in the days before the advent and proliferation of false prophets in the prophetic scene, world political leaders even the military rulers quaked in trepidation before genuine men of God whenever they delivered severe warnings against them…for fear of their words coming to pass against them…but nowadays no one even bothers to hear them let alone heed them because of the likes of your false prophet who have “bastardized” and reduced the “Word of Prophecy” to the basest guess work level of “Weather Forecasting” that people already know may or may not be accurate…

    Ain’t that a shame???

    That is satan’s stock in trade to pollute and pervert the Word of God using his fake men of gods so that mankind will see no need to hear or heed the “Sure” Word of Prophecy coming out of the Mouth of God…

    (1 Peter 1:19…We have also a more SURE word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed…)

    Right now in Nigeria many fake “men of gods” have been predicting different and contradictory outcomes and winners for the presidential election next month…so is that not ample proof that just like your false prophet they are prophesying from their own lustful flesh and claiming that God revealed it to them? If it is God speaking then all of them with one voice will speak God’s mind and there will be no such confusion and contradiction…at the end of the day those that “guessed” right and prophesied the actual winner will have their followers saying…

    Aha! Our prophet saw it…he is a man of God!

    Just like you scoanites do every time something happens that is a bit similar but not exactly alike…to the vague & blurred prophecy released by your prophet months or years ago that has no bearing or relativity whatsoever to the true Work of the Ministry which is the salvation and redemption of sinners…

    Whenever you give a vague prophecy without exact and actual times, names, places, dates and events…it is at best a procrastination…

    Personally I call it a Probable-Parable…

    Look at the Bible prophecy of Jeremiah that told the Jews accurately and exactly how many years Israel will spend in Babylonian captivity before returning home that Daniel read about and understood and caused him to prayerfully intercede for his people…namely 70 years!

    (Daniel 9:2-3…In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem [Babylonian captivity]. And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes…)

    That is the difference between prophesying and procrastinating…
    That is the difference between 100% accuracy and 50/50 probability…
    That is the difference between divine knowledge and human guesswork…

    To us Endtime Elects we know from Bible prophecy there’ll be endtime days like these so we ain’t fazed out or flushed out….

    Just amused, bemused and marveled at how “simple & gullible” our fellow Christian brethren can really be when they read & quote these same things written in the Bible…yet they can’t see that THEY are the deceived ones that are actually fulfilling the scriptural prophecy of the multitudes of believers that will be deceived to depart from the truth faith in Christ Jesus by these multitudes of endtime false prophets that will sure arise and have surely arose…

    (Mark 13:22-23…For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce [believers], if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold [prophesied to] you all things…)

    (1 Timothy 4:1…1-2 Now the [Holy] Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some [believers] shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron…)

    (2 Peter 1-3…But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers [pastors] among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies [false teachings & practices], even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many [believers] shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of [scam] you: whose [divine] judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their [eternal] damnation slumbereth not….)

    (Revelation 13:13-18…And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them [believers] that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six…)

    Sister Deborah…cross my heart..I lie you not…this is the difference between the true prophecy that is of God from true men of God and the false prophecy that is of Satan and from true men of Satan…

    Attention Scoanites!

    soon and very soon that church entrance or “Gate of Nimrod” will be shut against you so that those behind it can no longer get out even if they desire to…I have heard the command to “Lock the Door” and as we speak it is slowly and surely being carried out…

    Before it is too late…ESCAPE NOW!!!

    For in the day it is revealed to me that that GATE is finally SHUT I will no longer comment on this site as am instructed by THE FATHER to be doing now…as no one will be saved or delivered from your midst anymore…so the purpose for which I do so now will in that day be already defeated!

    The angels and saints in heaven address HIM as the THE FATHER and so do I…

    Therefore I pray the THE FATHER will extend to those of you scoanites that are HIS own the mercy and grace of Lord to repent and return back to your MASTER and MAKER in the Name of our Lord and God Jesus Christ of Nazareth…

    AMEN!

  19. when i see blind arguements like these i wonder the extend to which satan has blinded them…anyways,this website hasnt changed anything……take for instance,u guys posted about tbjoshua watch birthday but instead of people to congratulate u guys they were congratulating tb joshua….it was funny

    • Scoanite…

      Why don’t you at least try and show me how I “lied” against the Holy Spirit from the scriptures…except perhaps you are confusing the Spirit of God with your man of god…thereby exposing your total lack of knowledge in Word of God and total trust in the word of man I.e your prophet which translates into being an indoctrinated, brainwashed, blindfolded & bewitched believer…Lord have mercy on your poor soul…

      It fascinates me…on what it will really take for you guys to be unbroken from your prophet’s spell…maybe satan himself will have manifest physically “live” on satellite tv during Sunday service for you guys to finally know the truth and be set free…

      Well’ll soon see though…

  20. but if u’re lying against him,it wont be well with u……Amen
    ..ur group knws wat they did before they went out of scoan….but they wont go unpurnished

    • Sadly, Jesse, that is not the experience of quite a significant number of us.

      Within our church we saw several “genuine Christians”, brothers and sisters we had walked in faith and fellowship with over many years, go out to Scoan and get caught up in the clever deception. This was around the turn of the millennium and it was borne of a strong desire to pray for and see miracles of healing for individuals in our church. The desire was good, but the clear and repetitive warnings in the Apostles’ teaching for spiritual discernment always to be exercised went unheeded. Once deceived, differences in culture seemed to be used to excuse Biblical shortcomings in the ministry set-up.

      The personal stories are tragic, desperately sad cases – just look back at the earliest posts explaining why TBJW came into being 4 years ago this month (and the need for it to keep going until SCOAN is exposed and TBJ held to account). I didn’t wish it “Happy Birthday” earlier this week because the time for joyful celebration will be when the site can close due to no longer being needed.

      Our daily prayer is beseeching the Sovereign Lord, our faithful, covenant-keeping God, King of the universe and yet loving, merciful Heavenly Father, THAT THIS WILL BE VERY SOON – that He will not delay in releasing those captives known!

  21. SCOAN devotees,
    Ok….here it goes: OF COURSE HE’S GOING TO GET SOME RIGHT!
    What part of “they shall perform wonders and signs to deceive, if possible, even the elect” don’t you get?
    What don’t you understand when JESUS says “they shall say to me, didn’t we PROPHESY IN YOUR NAME, didn’t we CAST OUT DEMONS, didn’t we PERFORM MIRACLES? And I shall answer them: depart from me for I have NEVER KNOWN YOU, LABORERS OF LAWLESSNESS” ?
    There will be signs and wonders and healings and deliverances and miracles performed by those who deceive. It is written. Like it or not, understand it or not. It’s the bait with which they draw your attention AWAY from any doctrinal heresy and malpractices such as sexual, verbal and intellectual abuse and lies upon lies concerning hard facts.
    The issue is, does this line up with the Scriptures?
    Don’t you know that the forces of darkness also have power? Wasn’t the slave girl with the spirit of divination speaking the truth? What about the seer whom Saul consulted? Even the sons of Skeva had performed some before they came against a stiff opposition. What you should do is test all spirits. Study, meditate with the help of the Holy Spirit, the Word, to find out if everything said and done is 100% according to the Scriptures. If your heart is sincere, it is promised: seek and you shall find!
    Concerning the prophecies: What about posing for a moment to think, well why was the Malaysia airlines one NOT fulfilled, nor the Boko Haram girls one, nor the Ebola one, to mention a few?
    Why lie about the deaths due to the SCOAN guesthouse collapse in the beginning and holding a service the following day without even mentioning casualties, yet rushing to abort any responsibility? Why no official statement on the closure of THREE official branches around the world? Why doing everything in his power to avoid court summons while preaching that good Christians are good citizens, as though everyone else must abide to the law but him?
    WHY???????
    Stickers, waters, bracelets, scarfs and wristbands are keeping you blindfolded.
    It’s the bait.
    And just as any bait, it leads to death.
    For deception is equal to spiritual adultery which leads to death.
    Period.
    As the Bible says that we are to council heretics once or twice and then leave them on their own, I feel that I have exceeded on this and I ask God to forgive me. So many issues to address concerning facts and doctrine, however, that it probably would have been impossible to do so.
    Love and the Truth, were the only reasons for my doing so.
    The price to pay has been high but the end of it all has been made known to me.
    All the Glory and Honor goes to the Almighty God of the universe.
    The One and Only True God: The Great I AM.
    JESUS CHRIST is my Advocate.
    HOLY SPIRIT OF TRUTH is my Menthor.
    I rest my case.
    JEREMIAH

    • Speak Brother Jeremiah..
      Don’t faint yet…
      Speak…

      Your testimony is our joy and our proof to HIS Great Glory…

      Jehovah God is 100% in control and in charge…

      For THE FATHER says He still has a few lost “Special Coins” left in their midst to find, save and add to His other “99 Golden Coins”…

      After that He will turn against them for ever…and every one will see it and know it that it is indeed an act of God…

      Their Clock is still ticking…

      Blessings…

  22. Scoanite Maestro…

    Tut Tut Tut…

    Go sing that stale ol’ song back in 2014…

    Don’t you see that we are by far superior to your false prophet and his weak demons???
    Four long years of your likes…swearing, cussing, dissing, accusing, insulting, threatening, attacking, assaulting, intolerance, casting aspersions and hurling expletives at us…typical “scoan style” which has now become a global brand second only to that of the Islamic fundamentalist..

    Yet we are still alive, kicking up dust & tally ho!

    Read The User Friendly Manual in your Bible which says:

    No weapon formed against us shall prosper…Isaiah 54:17!
    Who shall lay a charge against God’s Elect…Romans 8:33!

    Contrarily…your prophet and scoan have been taking in some “hard knocks” in the these four years of TBJW soaring higher & higher in doctrinal accuracy, authenticity, integrity, reliability, credibility & sincerity…which attracted me to be posting in it too…starting from the scandalous shut down of your London & Athens branches…the exposition of your Randy Prophet with his HAREM of single lady-disciples…er sorry lady-evangelists…that he “jealously” as their proxy husband refuses to allow to get married and start up their own families even when they are all well over their mid-thirties and pushing forty as “young” old ladies when they will require special “miracle-husbands” who will agree to marry them against all odds… which has since been upgraded into the serialized killings of his 120 martyrs and counting…

    Let’s not talk of those confirmed bachelor-disciples who refused to break the “single-shackles” of the “Ethiopian Eunuch” living in there with absolutely nothing…not even a personal house, accommodation & furniture except a backpack with a few change of clothing with a hair comb & hand mirror to match…talkless of raising a family with a wife & kids…not to talk of acquiring a career, qualification, profession and assets to show for all their wasted time and donkey years in there except a blacked-out and obscured ministry of chanting the EMMANUEEEEL chorus on EMMANUEL TV…while their prophet has comparatively grown in stature, estate and equity in the millions of dollars…

    That is the eulogy of your epitaph scoanite…a one man show that starts with and ends with your prophet with no room for any other minister or pastor or prophet to flourish…very contrary to the early apostolic churches in the Bible that produced great men of God from Peter to Paul to Timothy to Luke who was only a physician and not even a pastor or prophet…

    Just look at the “Wiseman” John Chi who left the church back to his native country Cameroun with absolutely NOTHING and quickly discarded his branded name as a “wiseman” to adopt the title of “Apostle” John Chi…proving to all that he himself was forced to renounce his unscriptural wiseman title for him to be accepted by the Christian community in his country who of course will be receiving him with a healthy pinch of suspicious salt…as the legacy that will follow every scoanite that wants to be part of their contemporary Christian communities for the rest of their days on earth except they openly renounce their affiliations with scoan…

    What’s the essence of having a bunch of evangelists that stay holed up inside the four walls of a church from January to December without actually going out to evangelize the Good News to all & sundry???

    The only reason this prophet is afraid to allow his evangelist and other ministers to go out and preach the gospel is because he knows they will be engaged by well trained Christian bible students who will scripturally dissect their false doctrines and expose their prophet’s lies & tricks that might even cause these evangelists not to return to his scoan church again for good…hence they are under secure lock & key and only permitted to go out under close scrutiny…

    For instance look at these online scoanites who respond with threats and insults whenever you show their doctrinal errors from the scriptures…as if you are the one that wrote the scriptures that is exposing their false prophet’s false doctrines…hence I keep telling them to take their beef to God the Writer of the Bible instead not us…

    Is it not evident that the vile fruit they display is clearly anti-christ and anti-christian???

    Is it not evident that the violent fruit they display is clearly pro-jihadist and pro-islam???

    I Rest My Case!

  23. @ TBJW,

    I know you are a bit skeptical concerning my posts, that’s Ok. But I am going to prove to you some facts or maybe they are no facts that I recently stated concerning TB Joshua has contact with Barack Obama.

    In The Maravi Post I found today a post/article from Mr. Adewale Adeoye. Who seems to be a famed CNN journalist and Journalist of the year award winner as it says in the bottom of the article.

    He says, I can’t cut and paste it because it does not allow me to do that. Unless this post is there is fabricated it reads about TB Joshua and Obama have contact.

    “A white man that looked like his personal assistance came to usher us into the living room; simple, immaculate setting. On the wall were framed pictures of several world leaders that had either visited him in their country. At least, I saw him with the STEP MOTHER of the President of the United States, Barrack Obama.”

    However I found that the article had several English mistakes for a Journalist given the Award of the Year. Which made me question of the source of the article.

  24. nosa,what demon??…if wat u’re saying is true abt tb joshua,let it be wel with u but if not,u’ii knw no peace…just say amen

  25. Scoanite Maestro…

    I don’t mince words with clowns and puppets who can’t speak their own opinions for themselves but are “sent” as an eye piece, ear piece and mouth piece to speak for your prophet…

    So I return your prayer BACK TO SENDER in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth…

    Just say Amen to that…

    Having said that…maybe you should go put my testimony to the test to see if your prophet is led by demons or by angels to torture people whose opinions and dispositions he dislikes…

    I strongly suggest it not…but if you like…you may hold the “live end” of a naked wire with AC of +200 volts and directly plug it to your forehead…as an “adrenalin’ kick…

    Just to see…

    If am telling the truth and how I felt like…when your prophet’s “church thugs” were using a Police Stun Baton to “electro-shock” me all over my “forehead, neck & bare-body” again and again and again non-stop for over 30 minutes during their so called “espionage interrogation” with their church ministers holding a bible in one hand and a microphone in the other…with their Emmanuel TV crew meticulously shooting the satanic show…while at least a dozen of their spirit-filled disciples were standing by avidly watching the horror show…

    Then go ask your Christian conscience (if you have any) whether such is an act of a true man of God or an act of a true man of Satan…

    Let me thank my God that by then I had long “repented” from my former worldly & wicked ways unto Jesus Christ who taught me by “force” to have a “forgiving spirit” well before that incident took place which is the worst “trauma” I ever experienced in my life…otherwise…

    Parental Advisory: [Knowing my self, my street upbringing and my violent past…for sure I’d gone back there with a “Ski Mask” and a fully loaded “17 clip, 9 millimeter Glock” quietly tucked away in my waist…in the heat of the night when they least expect to “fall” as many men as I can…just to get even and set the record straight…after planning my “perfect” escape route…like I used to do in my past life when “retaliation” was my code of honor regardless of the consequences.]

    This is what your prophet might one day provoke “others” with unforgiving spirit “unlike me”…to do against him and his church members if they continue in such demonic ways…

    THE FATHER Himself who said…I MUST let it out and let it go…lest it negatively affects my mental, psychological and faith life…will surely avenge my cause and enemies according to His Word and righteous judgments…Amen

    Scoanite…

    I told you before…don’t make it a “personal issue” here and for more info…go read the stats below and shut up & shut down such provocative comments…or take it back to your official “watchtbj site” where such “anti-christian & cannibalistic” comments are welcome, encouraged and applauded…

    As is said: Like Feathers Flock Together…
    Chickens Cluck With Chickens…
    Eagles Soar With Eagles…

    End of Discussion!

    Features of a Police Stun Baton or Gun

    It’s a device which is used to temporarily “injure” an attacker, Attacker is not seriously injured after attack. Just gets an electric shock. After the shock, attacker is “faint” for several minutes. Because of the low amperage no “serious body injury” is inflicted. It is a self defense item which is especially designed for women. This device is also called EDM or Electro Magnetic Device. It brings a high voltage (2 million volts) which result in person quickly fainting for around 25 or more minutes. And it takes low electric charge. This device is very easy to use, there is no need for anyone to coordinate you on how it works. In India Stun gun is legal for public use. Stun gun is 100% legal in many countries. But in some countries it is a banned device for public use.

    Features:-
    Quality, Power & Durability
    Voltage 2000KV (2 Million Volts)
    Direct Shock Point Prongs Shock Side Plates – Extra Shocking Feature Anti Snatch
    Trickle Charge Shock
    Built-in 120db Siren – On/Off
    Built-in Bright Torch
    Built-in Charger
    Safety Pin & Strap
    Lithium Ion Rechargeable Battery
    Stand by Charge 2 – 4 Months
    Length 345mm – Width 45mm – Height 45mm
    Weight 600 grams
    Charger & Holster Include

    http://stungundelhi1.blogspot.com/2013/06/police-stun-baton-with-built-in-torch.html#.VLHidMkuDK8

  26. South African victims of Nigeria church collapse still to be identified

    THE process of identifying 11 South Africans killed in a church building collapse in Nigeria has commenced, the South African government said on Friday.
    “Government is committed to repatriate the remains of the 11 bodies. The work of the verification has commenced following the festive break,” spokeswoman Phumla Williams said

    http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/2015/01/09/south-african-victims-of-nigeria-church-collapse-still-to-be-identified

  27. Nigeria: TB Joshua Gets Support From Human Right Groups

    By Lukmon Akintola
    Lagos — Support has continued to pour in from different quarters for the General Overseer of Synagogue, Church Of All Nations (SCOAN), Prophet T.B. Joshua, since the collapsed building incident in his church on September 12, 2014 in which 130 people died.
    The latest solidarity is coming from two prominent Nigerian groups – the Oodua Nationalist Coalition (ONAC) and the Nigerian Human Rights Community (NHRC).
    In separate press releases, both groups urged the Federal Government to expedite action in unraveling the real cause of the building collapse for which a coroner’s inquest had since been constituted by the Lagos State Government.

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201501090118.html

  28. Is Another Holocaust Imminent?

    This week, the world has seen the viciousness of the Islamic State at work in the cold-blooded assassinations of journalists and police officers, and the deaths of several hostages in Paris. Our hearts and prayers go out to the families and loved ones, and indeed the whole nation of France, mourning this violent act of terror.

    The last several months have seen a growing world concern over the atrocities of ISIS with measured military efforts against them. At first, the band of terrorists seemed only to be fighting their own, Muslim against Muslim. Analysts have warned us not to be fooled by this perception.
    This week’s third terrorist event in Paris involved the storming of a Jewish market – clearly identified with large lettering as kosher – in which several hostages have been reported killed. The ISIS rampage through the Middle East is gathering supporters all over the world, including the West.

    With a hatred for Jews within the very ideology of Islam, we can be certain that ISIS is determined to wage its war against Israel and Jewish People the world over. A few weeks ago an ISIS image was posted on Twitter showing a masked man holding a commando-style knife pointed directly at the camera, and the message, “We are coming for you, O Jews.”

    Over the summer, ISIS activities in the Middle East ignited rallies in the Netherlands in which groups waving black and white ISIS flags chanted death to “dirty Jews from the sewers.” Other ISIS supporters tweeted promises of another holocaust of Jews.

    One thing is certain: without voices speaking out against such anti-Semitic hatred, it will continue to grow. Each terrorist act, each act of anti-Jewish vandalism, and each subtle expression of prejudice spoken against the Jewish People will add fuel to the fires of a growing anti-Semitic virus spreading across the globe.

    Kosher Supermarket Gunman Said He Belonged to ISIS
    The gunman killed by police on Friday after taking hostages at a Jewish supermarket in Paris told the French BFMTV station he had “coordinated” with the suspected Charlie Hebdo attackers and belonged to the Islamic State (ISIS) group, AFP reported Friday evening.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/189741#.VLIukdKUeSo

  29. Thanks Jesse,

    I just realised how tbj was shooting himself in the foot again through this video –

    Jesus said: “Those false prophets will be disconnected from Him, who is the head of the body”.

    TB Joshua said: “That God will work in the disconnected false prophet’s presence, even if he is disconnected from Jesus”.
    So is he confirming that he is false and not connected to God. It is the people faith in Jesus that brings the answers?

    15 “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
    21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    23 AND THEN I WILL PROFESS UNTO THEM: ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU, DEPART FROM ME YE THAT WORK INIQUITY’”- Mathew 7:15-23

    These false prophets were disconnected to Jesus, who is the head of the body.

    He is again bewitching you by a bringing to you a different gospel!

  30. tB Joshua really does not pay attention to the real problem concerning the false prophecy of Boko Haram.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/09/boko-haram-deadliest-massacre-baga-nigeria

    The false private prophet is not sacrificing his life with running into BOKO Harams leader with “anointed water” in his hand and a “faith bracelet” in the other. How many dead will he condone with his inside information about Boko Haram. He is a coward with only words. Sit inside his four wall building deceiving the world with your lies avoiding the Law interrogation making use of the circumstances of Nigeria and the strikes at the High Court and telling lies via liars who defend him as being benevolent with other people’s money that he did not work for besides telling funny stories and 30 minute demin interrogations that nobody has advance with.

  31. nosa,u must have been a criminal…it wasnt tb joshua that did it t u but the police force…thanks for confessing….but u need to seek for forgiveness frm tb joshua

    • Scoanite Maestro…

      Paul the great apostle was a Mass Murderer…

      The armed robber repented on the cross @ Calvary…

      Matthew the apostle was a fraudulent tax collector…

      Mary Magdalene the hand maid of God was a demoniac…

      Jephthah the judge was a violent thug…

      Samson the mighty man was a fornicator…

      David the great warrior was a leader of a bunch of violent outlaws…

      Moses the great prophet was a wanted murderer…

      Jacob the patriarch was a cheat and conman…

      Rachel the matriarch was an idol worshiper…

      Abraham our father in the Lord was also an idol worshiper plus a liar…

      Noah the great preacher was prone to drunken alcoholic stupor….

      And

      Nosa my humble self was a violent gangster…

      Do you see my scriptural “connection” with all these repented “rapacious” sinners who became exemplary great men and woman of God in the Bible as proof of the great work of Christ’s Salvation which is able to save to the uttermost the worst sinners of whom I am chief???

      (Hebrews 7:25.. Wherefore he [Jesus Christ] is able also to save them [chief sinners] to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them…)

      This is my greatest testimony in life…that if I…can repent which I never thought possible and become 100 % different like I am today…then you “self righteous” scoanites will have no excuse whatsoever for refusing to repent on that great Day of Judgment…

      Now let me once again speak spiritually to your level of understanding perhaps you will finally understand…but if not at least I tried my best…and will leave the rest for you and God….

      My past life is an open secret you don’t have to did deep or prod me to find out…likewise you don’t have be a smart spymaster to find out my secrets as I have none…so I speak not in secrecy but openly as my MASTER did on His earthwalk…

      You yourself have inadvertently revealed from your “misguided” comments (thinking you are smart) that indeed you “witnessed” that torture event either directly on that fateful or indirectly via watching the recorded video clip…thereby confirming I am speaking the TRUTH…

      So I know that we both know that you know the truth…yet you choose to defend lies & evil and condemn truth & good while claiming to be a Christian…lets see how will escape eternal judgment if you still remain rebelliously “unrepentant” like this until your last day on earth…

      Your lowly prophet is at the least the very “least” of my endtime concerns…for me to come and confess to him and ask for forgiveness…humanly speaking is like telling Elijah to do the same to a lowly prophet of Baal…animalistically speaking is like telling a giant elephant to do the same to a tiny rabbit…and spiritually speaking is like telling a mighty angel to do the same to a puny demon…

      Am a soldier of Christ and warrior of God by divine purpose…specifically created and designed to fight against the most important, deadliest and dangerous enemy of God and of Christ in all of creation namely Leviathan your antichrist father…including his spiritual father the Satan the Dragon and his spiritual mother Rahab the Beast…whether you understand it or not is none of my business…those who will, will…

      Below is the scriptural proof of my endtime mission and commission:

      (Isaiah 27:1…In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent [antichrist], even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall SLAY the dragon that is in the sea…)

      (Ezekiel 28:2,8-10…Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus [Satan], Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man [antichrist], and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God…They shall bring thee down to the [bottomless] pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas [lake of fire]. Wilt thou yet say before him [human] that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of HIM THAT SLAYETH THEE. Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers [endtime elects]: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD…)

      See..whether you believe it or not, accept it or not…am sent here on earth as the HUMAN SLAYER TO SLAY LEVIATHAN THE ANTICHRIST…that is why am his Spiritual Undertaker who is now “undertaking” his spiritual “burial” in the eternal lake of fire where his casket will be thrown into when my MASTER returns…

      Revelation 19:19-20…And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone…)

      (Revelation 20:10…And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever…)

      I’ll do my job and won’t break ranks as a good soldier and will fight right unto death…even as prophesied of by Isaiah and Ezekiel about 3000 years ago!

      Regardless!

      I have nothing to loose on earth and everything to gain heaven!

      • So retrospectively speaking how can your insignificant, little, tiny, wimpy, puny prophet be my problem???

        HOW? HOW?? HOW???

        To set the record straight…your prophet “knows” me all too well in the spirit realm where he has tried and tested his puny powers against the supreme power of God working in me…he himself knows that he is never a match for the likes of me after several bashings him and his satanic cohorts have received…many of whom have ‘fallen” on the spiritual battle field and departed to the other side of life because they “swore” to take me out of this world or die instead…so they “died” according to their own words…which prompted their ‘captain” the antichrist to nickname me as “The Evil One” because of the so called evil destructions emanating from the warfare prayers against them and their evil kingdoms…a case of a very black kettle calling a very white saucer black…what a big joke…for the evil-antichrist himself to be telling his human satanic agents to be calling their fellow human being…the evil one…beats my imagination…course your prophet won’t tell you guys these things…so as not to lose face…but who cares…by the grace of God I am what I am in Christ Jesus!

        So am fully focused on the spiritual warfare am waging against the antichrist before he finally manifests as the Last Pope and President of the world to rule over all of you his antichrist subjects as your almighty god…EMMMANUEEEEEL!

        IT’S HIGH TIME I LET YOU KNOW MY SPIRITUAL AND SCRIPTURAL PROPHETIC ROOTS…

        Am also like unto a “Prophet in Black” just like the Two Witnesses in Revelation chapter 11 whose real identities are namely the Archangels Gabriel & Michael who will soon incarnate in human flesh and blood and prophesy in sackcloth or black clothing to torment unrepentant antichrist Christians like you right after the physical manifestation of your antichrist king of the world…

        Watch that “torture’ video in your archive again and you will see I was putting “Black on Black” and that is exactly what I am commanded by The Father to put on every day of my life until my last day when I will be “offered up” to meet my MASTER by His grace…

        Revelation 11:3-5…And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees [arch angels], and the two candlesticks [Gabriel & Michael] standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them [prophets in black], fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their [antichrist] enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he MUST in this manner be killed…)

        This is my Scriptural Covenant with God…

        So no human born of man can physically hurt me or “take me out” in all of creation…except one…who is not fully human but half human & half devil…according to the perfect will of God at the appointed time and not before as it was shown me…which is not too long ahead though…so I have no plans to live to a ripe old age in this filthy fallen world that will soon experience the Greatest Tribulation of mankind in human history from an imminent Nuclear War…to the Antichrist Persecution of the saints…to the Wrath of God and of Christ on the sinners with tsunamis, comet, asteroid, meteorites, giant hailstones, brimstone & fire impacting them and the earth…to the great Battle of Armageddon for the kingdom of God…culminating in the Millennium Reign of Christ’s Kingdom with His glorious saints…

        You guys don’t know what’s coming to hit you with brute hurricane force in this 21st Antichrist Century…read all about the SVEN SEALS of the Endtime Sequence in the Book of Revelation to find out…that is if you have the wisdom and understanding to decrypt the encrypted message contained in them…or you prayerfully ask the Holy Spirit to help you out…but you must first repent for HIM to be your Guide and Teacher…

        (Matthew 22:25-28…And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh…)

        Am sure glad I won’t live long enough to witness all these gory events billed to take place very soon where billions of humanity like us who will be annihilated in a matter of minutes, days, weeks and months…courtesy of the evil machinations of the Son of Perdition and wonderful destruction who is your very wicked and evil Antichrist Father…EMMANUEEEEEEL!

        As instructed by your instructor…
        You wanted to know the truth…
        Now you know truth…

        There is nothing hidden under the sun!

        The wise believer will understand!
        The simple believer will not!

  32. Scoanite James..

    I’ve read your lengthy oratorical defense script on the thread about the discredited “credibilty” of your prophet’s prophecy…

    You sound like Tertullus the orator hired to defend the Jews against Paul in the court of Felix the Roman Governor…blowing hot balloon air with no scriptural substance to back it up…

    (Acts 24:1…And after five days Ananias the high priest descended with the elders, and with a certain orator named Tertullus, who informed the governor against Paul.And after five days Ananias the high priest descended with the elders, and with a certain orator named Tertullus, who informed the governor against Paul…)

    First of all…Nicodemus was no “secret” disciple of Christ to the extent that Jesus Christ told him that he has “rejected” the offer to be born again in order to enter into the kingdom because of his “crass unbelief” so how can such a fellow be a credible witness of God???

    (John 3:9-12…Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not [rejected] our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?…)

    Besides God has no use for lukewarm & secret disciples who are afraid or ashamed to confess Him openly before all men whether good or bad…

    (Revelation 3:16…So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth…)

    (Romans 1:16…For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek…)

    Second of all your try your-luck-prophet and his 50/50 chance prophecies got it all horribly wrong on the very serious issues of the Chibok girls release, the ebola anointing water and the boko haram ending by 2011 on which he more or less staked his prophetic credentials and he was embarassed…which you cannot deny at all…so what the fuss?

    Last of all your prophet was 100% wrong and we as true believers cannot stake our “claim” and base our “facts” on a man who is prophesying “falsehood” in the name of God…

    Say did he ever come out to apologize that he got it all wrong and correct his error???

    A Categorical No!

    That is what I call a “Prophet Pride” that goes before destruction!?

    So leave him be…you go focus on serving the Lord your God and preaching the true gospel of salvation and redemption and stop defending this false prophet unless he is paying you some good cash money in the millions of naira like he does his team of lawyers…

    Sadly he will not be there to defend your own scriptural errors on Judgment Day…so why be bothered about defending his own scriptural errors now???

    The scripture concludes thus:
    (Phillipians 1:17…knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel of Christ]…)
    (Romans 14:12…So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God..)

    Let’s Rest This Case!

  33. Scoanite Deborah…

    REF your post:

    “With the holy water and car stickers, it’s rather unfortunate that people think they cannot function without it, again misconception, however it should be used as a sign of protection, just as having two locks on one door for protection. I see nothing wrong using the holy water. Many Roman Catholic churches ( I attend a Roman Catholic Church) use many things to denote holiness and protection of the Lord. Such includes burning of incense and sprinkling of holy water. Does that make the Roman Catholic practices wrong?”

    The aim of this site is to correct the scriptural “anomalies” in the body of Christ that veers believers away from true worshiping of God in spirit and truth of which false prophets and practices are the bane of the churches of God today…just like the deadly ebola virus that “spiritually kill Christians and shipwreck their faith…someone has to take a stand for God and Christ here…so we do what we for God and for Christ..and take that stand be it popular or unpopular…
    Regardless!
    So be it!

    (John 4:23-24…But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth…)

    Now you know that the old testament of sprinkling holy water of purification HOLDS NO WATER in the New Testament of the Fountain of Living Water of the Holy Spirit…surely you should know that as a bible student…xcept you are not…

    (Numbers 5:17…And the priest shall take HOLY WATER in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water…)

    As you see from the above scripture we have no USE for any false holy or anointing water that is all part of the abolished Levitical priesthood…so why do you allow these charlatans take you back to feed on your vomit? WHY? WHY?? WHY???

    (John 7:38-39…He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of LIVING WATER. But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified….)

    You can see from the above scripture that “indwelling” your born again spirit is an everlasting fountain of living water flowing out of your belly courtesy of the Holy Spirit…so why allow these charlatans to prevent you from fetching from it and drinking of it to the healing of your body, soul and spirit…WHY? WHY?? WHY???

    In the sight of THE FATHER it is a mortal sin and evil because you are rejecting Him and His Living Water of eternal life and receiving a strange god and strange water of eternal death thinking it don’t matter…whereas it does to God…not Big Time…but Mega Time!

    (Jeremiah 2:13…For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns [bottles, broken cisterns [anointing water], that can hold no water…).

    Whether the catholic church practice it or not…or orthodox churches practice it or not…or the white garment churches practice it or not…or scoan church practice it or not…all such OBJECTS OF FALSE WORSHIP be they holy water, anointing water, burning incense, prayer candles, prayer beads & bracelets, protection stickers, deuter-canonical books, virgin mary shrines and so on are all satanically “induced” into the Body of Christ and MUST be done away…FORTHWITH!

    (Acts 17:30-31…And the times of this IGNORANCE [in true worship] God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man [Jesus Christ] whom he hath ordained..)

    Or else believers found scripturally guilty of “adding” such unscriptural practices to “pollute” the Church of Christ will inevitably pay dearly with their souls in the eternal death of the lake of fire…and that without remedy…for God is no respecter of persons!

    (Revelation 22:18…For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add OBJECTS OF FALSE WORSHIP unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues [ETERNAL DEATH] that are written in this book…)

    THE FATHER said so…So I say so!

  34. TBJW you might as well give it up, you and your father the devil have been defeated! Did you observe the grace and anointing that was flowing through the Prophet yesterday during prophecy time? We are living in the times of 1 Cor 2:9 where we are seeing the things not seen before, hearing things not heard before. What about the water therapy and the thousands of testimonies that came with it within just a week? The more gates of hell are coming against him the more they provoke God to increase the grace and anointing.
    Here you are typical TBJW style discussing whether subway and railway are one thing? How low can you stoop?

    • @ Sid,

      I did the so called “water therapy” myself, just to see if he was speaking the truth. Nothing happened. Absolutely nothing. It only works on them, those that are inside there. Those that are linked to this place. Members of this place. Conveniently as always. This is just a group that wants to church going and don’t care if they have to lie. No matter what. Two words. SCAM CHURCH ! another two words, SCAM PROPHET !

  35. nosa,so u’re angry cos as a criminal,u were kicked out of scoan..so u were there as a gangster,criminal,womanizer etc..and u’re now blaming tb joshua??..was it tb joshua that made u a gangster??..its funny hw u are mighty in the spiritual world than tb joshua but u’vnt made any record..no one notice u..so after u went out of scoan u repented..hehehehehe.let me say the fact,quote me “you are not a christian”..point 1,u hate tb joshua who is human which the bible forbids 2,u’re claiming to be a xtian when u’re not.lying.3.u’re lying against tb joshua…

    • @ Meastro,

      We do not hate anybody. We do not agree with the application and out come what TB Joshua does and we tell here what we think about it in the light of the Word of God and its application.

      Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

      Or written out properly.

      The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether THESE THINGS were so. 12Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men.…

  36. ..its all a wasted energy trying to pull someone that is ontop to the group..the more u try,the more he upgrades.what u guys are even doing here is not scriptural..no xtian or child of God in the bible did it.

    • @ Meastro,

      No Christian in the bible did it ?

      Well start reading again your bible then.
      2 Samuel 12 King James Version (KJV)

      12 And the Lord sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.

      2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:

      3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.

      4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man’s lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.

      5 And David’s anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the Lord liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:

      6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.

      7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;

      8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

      9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

      10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.

      11 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

      12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

      13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

      14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

      15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

      16 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.

      17 And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.

      18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?

      19 But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead

      • @ Maestro,

        Again start reading your bible.

        Galatians 2:11-21King James Version (KJV)

        11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

        12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

        13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

        14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

        15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

        16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

      • @ Meastro,

        Start reading you bible will you now ?

        Psalms 39:11 With reproofs You chasten a man for iniquity; You consume as a moth what is precious to him; Surely every man is a mere breath. Selah.

        Proverbs 12:1 Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, But he who hates reproof is stupid.

        Proverbs 17:10 A rebuke goes deeper into one who has understanding Than a hundred blows into a fool.

        Proverbs 19:25 Strike a scoffer and the naive may become shrewd, But reprove one who has understanding and he will gain knowledge.

        Matthew 18:15 If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.

        Luke 17:3 Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.

        Colossians 1:28 We proclaim Him, admonishing every man and teaching every man with all wisdom, so that we may present every man complete in Christ.

        1 Timothy 5:20 Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning.

        2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

        2 Timothy 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.

  37. Scoanite…
    I had already repented in the UK ever before coming back to Nigeria and staying in your scan church in 2003 for only 3weeks…after which I left there for good till today…okay???

    Your foul and tasteless scoan-trained tongue shows that indeed your conscience has been seared with a hot iron…since the Lord has already sent you a strong delusion that will keep believing a lie of the antichrist unto eternal destruction…so it is now impossible for you to discern and acknowledge the truth of the gospel of Christ in your confirmed antichrist soul that is hotwired & hardwired with live satanic lies…so keep your slave master prophet…ride & die for him as his slave for life as you wish…

    Remember that his own children are getting the finest out of his church tithe & offering loot…while you keep typing away at your keyboard for him all for nothing…Nada!

    You have the stereotypical 21st century religious slave mentality where the dumb religious followers of their smart religious leaders fight unto death for their cause even as suicide bombers…whereas the children of these same religious leaders attend Ivy League Colleges and acquire the finest things in life…

    Just look at you anonymous cowardly nobody scoanite who cannot even dare to name his real name on a blogsite…and compare yourself to the daughter of your prophet studying law @ harvard university as a foreign student paying over $20,000 annually per session…all paid for with the same tithe & offerings you and your kind are contributing to him… He gets richer n richer…you get poorer n poorer….yet your bewitched mind refuses to see you are being scammed out of your hard earned cash and priceless salvation…as physical & spiritual parasite in your flesh and soul respectively…

    Oh! How I pity you folks…

    No wonder it is written my people perish because of ignorance…which is the worst killer disease of every believer…

    For the benefit of those who are double minded let us hear what the Holy Spirit the Author of the Bible has to say…

    (Ezekiel 36:27….I will put my Spirit in you and will cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgments and do [follow] them…)

    Do you see from the Bible that the Holy Spirit will never ever empower anyone to use anointing water, beads, bracelets and such idolatrous objects of worship for healing people as a standard doctrinal practice as this is absolutely unscriptural???

    So if it is not the Holy Spirit at work…which spirit is at work in your scoan church then…

    Best answer the very important question yourself…

    As for you mediocre scoanite..I have nothing else to say to you except….EMMANUEEEL

    See you in the after life…

    Hasta La Vista…..

    • @ Maestro,

      Prophet Nathan is not an early day Christian then ? Explain to me, before the Spirit of God came upon man (1 Samuel 10:6 And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.) . Today the Spirit is inside man. (Acts 8:14-17 When the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. The two went down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit (for as yet the Spirit had not come upon any of them; they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus). Then Peter and John laid their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. )

      What does I Corinthians 12 say ? No gifts there for Christians to use in the form of prophecy ? And so you cannot judge another whether they were wrong or right by the Spirit ?

  38. SCOAN devotees,
    Here you are “jubilating” over the Paris murders prophecie and God once again is showing His dissatisfaction. Is it coincidental that at the same time Boko Haram have massacred thousands in Nigeria’s “back yard”, a GIRL strapped with explosives kills 20 in local market and so on?
    Unprecedented brutality from the extremist terrorist group who were supposed to “be no more” a few years ago(!!!!) according to your mentor. So, please tell me, what is one supposed to believe?
    The spirit of divination and lawlessness is being put to shame and you REFUSE to see it.
    Instead of placing your trust in “prophecies” and “anointed” items, why not try to place it completely in the Word of the Living God?
    There is a path which is narrow and few enter it.
    There are those who are called and those who are the elect.
    Simplicity is the key.

  39. You know;
    “I am getting sick and tired of TB Joshua and his clever, deceitful, 419 Nigerian tricks to promote himself and his ministry as if he is from Elohim Father God! His copy and pasted prophecies are getting boring in the light of the bigger picture of what is going on in the world. I feel let to prepare a writing to show, in a nutshell, what is happening around the world and why? God’s final warning to repent. I will, Lord willing, place it on this blog as well.” Concerning the devotees of the scoan cult; “They know things are not right there, but refuse to come out. They will either be saved like in Moses time, or perish with tbj. So I feel that I have tried to warn them enough. I am tired of warning and pleading with them, even though they are my family and friends. It is their decisions and their blood will not be on my hands.”
    I will keep on placing interesting news on TBJW though. Maybe it can help someone out there.
    Who knows.

    • @ Just Wonder,

      Do not give up. A child of God never gives up. You do not quit. Keep walking with God. You will see when you do He will give you new insight about these matters. Keep pulling off the layers of veneer, you will get to the bottom of it if you keep pressing on, not when you give up.

    • Sister JW…

      Flow with Spirit…He Himself will tell you when that time comes to stay your hand…and it will be evident then that the Lord has finally turned His back on them…

      Like you rightly said…the last move of the Holy Spirit before He departs back to heaven whence He came 2000 years back…is exactly what He is leading you and others like us in our spirits to commence now…in warning and instructing His true elect children on what to during the grave endtime perils ahead…so that they can sing the victory song of Moses after the battle for kingdom of God is fought and won…

      It a great mandate for us as His “endtime watchmen”…who have a scriptural understanding of what to do in this endtime like the biblical “Men of Issachar” who had understanding of their times and knew what Israel had to do…

      Just like you am burdened in my spirit already with this express leading of the Spirit…and all the spiritual indices are pointing towards Jerusalem in Israel…as the place where it will all “start” before it spreads silently and quietly all over the world as the Spirit leads…

      Remember we are God’s special agents on earth on a very specially important mission…so most of the battle will be prayerfully, brutally and noiselessly fought in the spirirt realm…

      While the rest of the blind and carnal world won’t have a clue what’s going on just like how the cold war was silently fought behind the East & West Iron Curtain between the US led NATO forces & the USSR led Warsaw Pack…

      After which we will begin to see the physical manifestation which will culminate in the gradual global assembly of the 144,000 virgin elects of God to take “head on” the antichrist and his great tribulation as it is written..

      But then first seek the counsel of the Lord..if you are one of the specially and specifically chosen proverbial “five marble stones” of David that was used to slay Goliath the antichrist…

      If you are..The Father will send a particularly fiery warlike angel to you who will first introduce himself by his name to and confirm it to you with a special codename of…where Jesus Christ received His divine anointing to commence His earthly ministry…

      That is all am permitted to say for now…

      Shalom!

  40. Maestro – your or my opinion does really not matter. It is what Jesus thinks of the matter and you have already so far seen the outcome of tbj and devotees. Keep your eyes open and watch what God is busy doing.

  41. Interesting smoking gun comment here about the building collapse:

    Deputy General Manager in charge of Air Traffic Control of the National Airspace Management Agency (NAMA), Rafik Arogungo, when cross-examined in a Nigerian court had said:

    “I have heard about an aircraft on a sabotage mission release invisible substance on a target lased with explosive devices with the aim of bombing a target but I cannot confirm if the aircraft had such a substance and we did not lose sight on radar of the aircraft on the day of the incident.”

    http://www.maravipost.com/201412197756/People/synagogue-collapse-town-planner-submitss-building-plans-suspects-controlled-demolition.html

    • Scoanite James…

      This is no new news…
      Once again…good try..

      We’ll give you a capital T for Trying!

      Look…you just shot yourself on the foot like your prophet’s clueless lawyer keep doing by bringing fake experts to come and tell us cock n bull scientific lies…

      1) are you insinuating that the US Airforce gave their Nigerain counterpart the aircraft laser technology to attack your scan church…and why on earth would they want to do that?
      Your American govt must hear this new scoan joke…4 Real Yo!

      2) your pdf document simply nails your scoan laser scam on the stake…did you see the laser beam stretching down from the C130 plane high up in the sky all the way down to the ground? If that kind of powerful laser beam designed to take out missiles was used from a very low flying plane to control demolish that building..pray tell us how no one at all in the scoan premises saw the laser beam including the CCTV cameras???

      Your scan capacity to fabricate fantastic lies and fantastically believe it as the truth…is mind boggling and award winning…I dare say…

      Am speechless…and I almost thought you were smarter than the average scoanite…

      Guess I was wrong…

      • James Wrote 2 days ago: Deputy General Manager in charge of Air Traffic Control of the National Airspace Management Agency (NAMA), Rafik Arogungo, when cross-examined in a Nigerian court had said:

        “I have heard about an aircraft on a sabotage mission release invisible substance on a target lased with explosive devices with the aim of bombing a target but I cannot confirm if the aircraft had such a substance and we did not lose sight on radar of the aircraft on the day of the incident.”

        http://www.maravipost.com/201412197756/People/synagogue-collapse-town-planner-submitss-building-plans-suspects-controlled-demolition.html


        Nosa Wrote: “Look…you just shot yourself on the foot like your prophet’s clueless lawyer keep doing by bringing fake experts to come and tell us cock n bull scientific lies…”


        James replies to Nosa: Brother Nosa, if you want and if you ever get the chance to read the article a little more comprehensively perhaps you will then see that Rafik Arogunjo, the Deputy General Mgr in charge of Air Traffic Control of NAMA, was acting more like a hostile witness towards Joshua’s lawyer. I believe that was an oversight on your part.

        Rafik, the hostile witness, was the one who said that he heard about a sabotage mission with an INVISIBLE SUBSTANCE on a target.

      • James wrote about 2 days ago:

        http://www.kirtland.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-070404-027.pdf


        Nosa wrote: “…your pdf document simply nails your scoan laser scam on the stake…did you see the laser beam stretching down from the C130 plane high up in the sky all the way down to the ground?”


        The .pdf document is mainly for presentation as the C-130 plane had not yet been fitted with a laser weapon. The laser was still in the calibrated testing phase at a non-aero facility. I think the document was from around 2005 but the laser hadn’t actually been fitted and tested “from a C-130” until 2009.

        Oh Nosa…. keep in mind that the lasers that are in use today aren’t anything like Star Trek or Star Wars where you can actually visibly see the entire line segment of a laser.

        Unless you have some special glasses, it’s foggy or something like that then you are not going to see the laser because all a laser really is… is a special kind of Radio Frequency (RF). As a matter o’ fact. When you read my post on the other end in Nigeria it is because it ultimately traveled through various mediums that all used Radio Frequency. Some are going to say IP… but the Internet Protocol only carries our information in packets but the packets are impressed on and delivered via Radio Frequency.

        Radio Frequency… invisible light…. same thing.

        So anyways, if the Nigerian Military Plane (a C-130) was firing a laser at a target on the ground, no matter what adjustment in intensity of the laser, you will not see it from the aircraft because it is using an intensely-compressed RF sine wave. And if you could see it… it wouldn’t be red but blue.

      • Nosa wrote: “If that kind of powerful laser beam designed to take out missiles was used from a very low flying plane to control demolish that building..pray tell us how no one at all in the scoan premises saw the laser beam including the CCTV cameras???”

        You need special equipment or it would have to be a foggy day for you to see the laser’s original line segment from the weapon to the target. Obviously you will see the effect of the laser on the target.

      • Nosa wrote: “Your scan capacity to fabricate fantastic lies and fantastically believe it as the truth…is mind boggling and award winning…I dare say…

        Am speechless…and I almost thought you were smarter than the average scoanite…

        Guess I was wrong…”


        James wrote: “Who has believed our report? As Isaiah would have said.

  42. What is the Bible’s Definition of Sin? How does TB Joshua sin ? Let me explain.

    One of the central points of the Bible is the difference between what God approves, and what He does not. There have been endless dissertations about the definition of sin—what is and is not sin. Yet the Bible defines sin with surprising simplicity: “Whosever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law” I John 3:4. When someone transgresses or breaks “the law,” he is sinning.

    When one breaks man’s laws, he earns a penalty, such as a fine, jail time or even (depending on the seriousness of the crime) death. Likewise, when we violate the laws of God, we earn a penalty: “The wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). Wages are something you earn as a payment for what you have done. If you sin—break God’s Law—you will die Ezekiel 18:4, 20.

    Suddenly, knowing what constitutes “the law” is of extreme importance! Again, we must allow God to explain what He means through His Word—not the reasoning or opinions of men.

    Now here are the facts concerning the above.

    1. TB Joshua allows and signs for an illegal building with a contractor. That’s a sin. No ?
    2. TB Joshua does not get the go ahead of the Holy Spirit for his illegal building. That’s a sin. No ?
    3. TB Joshua does not take responsibility for no insurance on the building. That’s a sin. No ?
    4. TB Joshua does use Lawyers to escape from interrogation of the Coroner, whether he is a witness or not. That’s a sin. No ?
    5. TB Joshua blames others and allows his church to make videos to “prove” his allegations that others did it and not him. That’s a sin. No ?
    6. TB Joshua agrees with all articles that are favourable for him but sends out and disagrees with those that write facts about him of what he does. Whether in personal life or church life. That’s a sin. No ?
    7. TB Joshua uses trinkets that he tells us God has prescribed for his the “ministry” he does. Trinkets require you must repeatedly incantate your prayers to be heared. That’s a sin. No ?
    8. TB Joshua ministers one on one with the victims and buys them off with money, lavish dinners and other presents from money that is from the church reserved for preaching the gospel and missionary purpose and not of him. That’s a sin. No ?
      9.TB Joshua followers and fanatics lie for the sake of covering up the building collapse. That’s a sin. No ?
    9. TB Joshua uses media to deceive, lie, cheat, make false deliverances with interrogatory tricks with fake demons and people as actors, make edited videos to fulfill false prophecies and tells the world about it when everybody dies. That’s a sin. No ?
    10. TB Joshua does not refute Islam as a false religion. That’s a sin. No ?

    See above what happens when you sin and trespasses the Law. Why appeal to the High Court for not being interrogated yourself concerning the above sins aka trespass of the Law ?

  43. Hey TBW, didn’t the Nigerian Air Force purchase several of these C-130 Hercules aircrafts? Yes and NAF918 (C-130) had just finished being refurbished in 2014 in the U.K. at U.S. taxpayer expense for four and a half years? NAF917 not too long before that had been refurbished as well.

    I am horrified to recently learn that the Nigerian military has no problem in killing its own citizens. I guess the same goes for U.S. towards its citizens as well. If I disappear, ya’ll come lookin’ for me, ya hear?

    Note: Bear in mind that a blue laser (highest intensity) will be invisible to the naked eye… in daylight especially.

    • Scoanite James…

      Give it up…

      Act grown up and stop stalking shadows…

      Do YOU really mean…

      YOUR Nigerian Airforce C130 Aircraft “Laser Beam Weapon” was supplied by YOUR United States Air Force and Fitted by YOUR United Kingdom Royal Air Force in an internationally syndicated bomb attack against YOUR Synagogue Church…Right or Wrong?

      This must be the hallucination of the century….please pass it on to Emmanuel TV and your prophet’s lawyers…em….don’t forget to charge your prophet a hefty “consultation” fee…like the other military expert consultant who testified his “lies” under oath in court…that the weapon used by the “Hovering” C130 Hercules Aircraft (wonder how C130 hovers though) was slightly different from yours i.e an Infrared Sonic Weapon that controlled demolished that building…

      He got his cool millions from your prophet for that “herculean” effort of lying in court though…so it”s fair that you too get paid some cool millions for your fantastic efforts…hopefully this new “theory” will fly,,,and the court will accept it and absolve your prophet of any guilt…

      It’s a “Smashing Hi” on the international news wave..if you guys can just “prove” it to exonerate your very very “guilty prophet as things stand…if not…

      It’s a Smashing Lie…either way…it”s not an easy story to fabricate as it takes “guts” to say it like you mean and still keep a straight face like you really mean it…just like a “Pro” Stand-up Comedian..

      Respect Man!
      Er…
      I meant…EMMANUEEEEL…

      • I hope that I’m wrong. Because if it ever gets out that the Nigerian Air Force truly used a laser beam to bring down a building, killing innocents, then perhaps you are looking at a Lamentations type of situation. Not a conflict between the people and the civilian gov’t but a conflict between the civilians and the military.

      • At 1:53:39 of the video clip is where he prophesied about a church disaster in Nigeria that could set off some internal conflicts.


        When God prompts a person to repent but instead they harden their heart… and after several, repeated prompts to repent they continue to harden their heart… then God will give them what they sowed and He Himself will harden their heart. When God hardens a person heart then it is time for judgment. Prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah in particular warned Israel to repent but they would not and even ridiculed the men of God. Combined, both of their ministries spanned over a hundred years so the Lord gave them space to repent but they still mocked the prophets. But God is not mocked, what a man sows that shall he also reap.

      • @james you’re making a joke about it by passing on these ridiculous theories that SCOAN come up with like the laser weapon. According to their CCTV, the plane in question hadn’t flown over the building for 50 minutes before the building collapsed. How could a laser weapon not have any visible impact on the target for 50 minutes when it suddenly has a catastrophic impact?

        Don’t dishonor the memories of the dead by encouraging SCOAN in their lies. The truth needs to be discovered, and the main thing holding that up is TB Joshua’s refusal to turn up to court as a witness. Are you campaigning SCOAN about this?

  44. Nosa wrote: ” are you insinuating that the US Air force gave their Nigerian counterpart the aircraft laser technology to attack your scan church…”


    James writes: I strongly believe that the U.S. has no direct involvement with the church bombing and would not sanction an operation like that. The purpose for helping to upgrade Nigerian military aircraft and arsenal is to give assistance to Nigeria to help combat home-grown terrorists like Boku Haram and to partner with Nigeria on the war on terror. It’s not just in Nigeria’s interest but in the U.S. interests as we have heavy investment in your country. Not only did the U.S. offer assistance but other western nations and even eastern nations like China. Iran also had offered their assistance but I’m not sure if Nigeria accepted..

    Nosa, the way it works here in the U.S. (for the most part) is that civilian contractors come up with the designs, procurement and supplies of military aircraft, weapons, etc. They sell those services to the U.S. Defense Department. Depending on the type of aircraft that will not compromise U.S. military superiority those same contractors can sell their wares to foreign nations. Sometimes it is the U.S. Government, who themselves, resells technology to foreign nations if it serves a political interest.

    As far as the C-130s go, Nigeria purchased them a long time ago and were mostly just sitting around. I believe your Air Force may have 5 to 6 C-130s that are operational. Two of the C-130s (NAF917 and NAF918) were upgraded. NAF918 had and extensive and expensive upgrade which was supported with U.S. Financial assistance. As a matter of fact, I just saw the other day that Nigeria’s 2012 annual budget went mostly towards the military.


    Nosa wrote: “…and why on earth would they want to do that?”


    James writes: Again, the U.S. Gov’t can be evil at times but they would never sanction anything like that. They would probably know what happened after the fact but wouldn’t get involved if it doesn’t affect U.S. interests.


    Nosa wrote: “Your American govt must hear this new scoan joke…4 Real Yo!”


    James writes: Let’s just say that I was a part of the Defense Dept at one time so I kinda know how they may operate on a given situation. Serious biz.

  45. tbjoshuawatch wrote: “@james you’re making a joke about it by passing on these ridiculous theories that SCOAN come up with like the laser weapon.”

    James writes: Hey TBW, actually no. From what I’ve read thus far, they seem to think that it was some sort of infrasonic weapon or sonic cannon. I tend to agree with the view of Stephanie Peters of the Maravi Post on 2nd half of her article:

    http://www.maravipost.com/201410237371/Opinions/scoan-update-a-thorough-examination-of-the-scoan-building-collapse-debunking-some-theories.html

  46. tbjoshuawatch wrote: “According to their CCTV, the plane in question hadn’t flown over the building for 50 minutes before the building collapsed. How could a laser weapon not have any visible impact on the target for 50 minutes when it suddenly has a catastrophic impact?”

    James wrote: I’m glad that you’ve brought that up. To me it looks like the crew were surveying the target with the 1st thru 4th pass in order to get program in a coordinate and azimuth. Once they can program that in they can lock onto the target from a good distance because the laser is on a rotating turret on the underside of the aircraft which means there wouldn’t be a need to worry about the aircraft’s yaw, pitch or roll (as long as the underside of the aircraft faces towards the ground).

    It took a good while, but the military finally confirmed that it was a military aircraft. They said that it was running a training circuit and ‘I believe’ they may have mentioned that it had 5 people onboard. IMHO, more questions need to be answered.

    Why did it take so long to admit that it was a military aircraft? What kind of training was taking place? Where is the plane now? Why can’t we investigate it to rule it out? Who were the people onboard so that we can interview them? Why are we blocked from seeing them? Why are we being blocked from seeing the radar path of the plane? When did it land? How long was it in the air? Why was it coming from the West which never happens? Why did the Deputy General of Air Traffic Control mention that the aircraft was on a sabotage mission delivering and “invisible substance” on a target?

    • @ James,

      It is good you are asking questions. But give me one demonstration in support of using such a weapon on anything. Any videos would perhaps help.

      Then are you now suggesting that what Boko Haram did a few days ago was actually the use of that weapon to deceive us that Boko Haram did this in Baga ?

      Even though there is evidence of a laser weapons today. But are only been demonstrated on boats so far. The laser weapons on a plane have not been useful so far in their testing as far as I have read and are useless in their application. So all of sudden Nigerian’s in your opinion got hand on such a weapon and managed it to attach it to a Lockheed Martin C130 and goes out on a maiden flight to go to Lagos and then to attack a ministry that is supposed to be favorable for their country. Which is downright absurd. The funny thing is, that the enemies of Nigeria as elsewhere and it is not used on them just shows how silly your own assumptions are. Why not use it on Boko Haram, MEND, other evil entities in Nigeria first ? Instead they are going to your imaginary innocent false private prophet and take out innocent people who he invited to come and be with him in Lagos.

      If there was any story that was making a novel 300 page book then this this is it ! It’s not only preposterous, hilarious but also ridiculous.

      Nigerians that cannot take out Boko Haram, take out a false private prophet with your alleged weaponry.

      Nigerians love a high tall tale to tell you and then rub your upper arm and laugh their head off hysterically and in the mean time they hope you take it for bait. When you don’t, they walk away or tell you another fantasy story.

      I tell you what why don’t you go back to this what the root of it all is:

      Nigeria is hold to ransom by four strongholds which are:

      1. LIES. The stronghold of LIES !
      2. GREED. The stronghold of GREED !
      3. DECEPTION. The stronghold of DECEPTION.
      4. MONEY. The stronghold of “THE LOVE OF MONEY”

      That is all your politicians know and all your churches know. And with that they operate to make it to a SCAM and 419 Country.
      Everybody knows this, even in America. But you seem to fail this.

      Why not put the fish and bread upon your head, ok. See if I fall for the stories that they make up to not be responsible for their actions. Which is clearly demonstrated in SCOAN with all their strength and media tools. When we see all that, we see a so called ministry that has made people to merchandise and the inculcation of the masses that have nowhere to go than these scam ministries.

      Nowhere these things have been practiced as you purport and there is no evidence as such either. Not even in a war scenario. So why use it on a ministry that does fake interrogations of imaginary demons ?

      • Hey Jesse, I apologize that it is taking so long to get back to you as I had some prior commitments.

        Jesse wrote: “It is good you are asking questions. But give me one demonstration in support of using such a weapon ON ANYTHING. Any videos would perhaps help.”


        James writes:

        There is another video out there showing this same test that is longer but I can’t find it right at this very moment. In the video, the laser hitting the test target is from the same type of plane that flew over the SCOAN building. But that was back around 2008/2009. Also Jesse, I just recently learned that it could cut through metal from over 9 miles away… within 5 seconds of each target it can hit 100 of them.

        http://www.photonics.com/Article.aspx?PID=5&VID=42&IID=294&AID=36228

      • Jesse wrote: “Then are you now suggesting that what Boko Haram did a few days ago was actually the use of that weapon to deceive us that Boko Haram did this in Baga ?”

        James writes: No I did not say that at all. I don’t believe that it was Boku Haram at all… but perhaps carried out by some wicked people in the military and perhaps some in the government to kill or discredit TB Joshua and the SCOAN ministry.

      • Jesse wrote: “Even though there is evidence of a laser weapons today. But are only been demonstrated on boats so far. The laser weapons on a plane have not been useful so far in their testing as far as I have read and are useless in their application. So all of sudden Nigerian’s in your opinion got hand on such a weapon and managed it to attach it to a Lockheed Martin C130 and goes out on a maiden flight to go to Lagos and then to attack a ministry that is supposed to be favorable for their country. Which is downright absurd.”

        James writes: The YAL-1 Airborne lasers didn’t do well and I believe the program has been discontinued. However, the Aerial chemical laser (Advanced Tactical Laser) that uses COIL have been successful and are in use. One of the benefits of the laser, because it is invisible, is a stratagem called “plausible deniability”. If you get the chance please look up the term.

        As far as Nigerians getting their hands on such a weapon.. keep in mind that although the U.S. Military are the principle customers of the U.S. based, civilian weapon makers…. please keep in mind that these weapon makers, no matter how corporate and sophisticated they are, are simply arms dealers. Money talks and it the “love of it” is the root of all evil.

        Bear in mind also that Nigerian Air Force C-130H plane, NAF 918, was given a complete overhaul in the U.K. for 4 1/2 years with the support of U.S. financial backing

        http://www.stripes.com/news/u-s-helping-get-nigeria-s-c-130s-back-off-the-ground-1.97751

        It could’ve of been NAF 917 that went to Portugal for an upgrade and… definitely NAF 918 went to England. See the next post about NAF 918.

      • Jesse wrote: “The funny thing is, that the enemies of Nigeria as elsewhere and it is not used on them just shows how silly your own assumptions are. Why not use it on Boko Haram, MEND, other evil entities in Nigeria first ? Instead they are going to your imaginary innocent false private prophet and take out innocent people who he invited to come and be with him in Lagos.”

        James writes: Jesse, I would have thought that my presumption was silly also until I learned how much some people in Nigeria and some around Africa hates TB Joshua. He dares to call out corrupt political parties, some in the security forces and has correctly prophesied the deaths of some African leaders. One Cameroonian minister had called him the Son of the devil and stated a ban on Emmanuel TV. In other news I’ve seen some disturbing images about Nigeria’s military. That on April 2013, Nigerian soldiers burned thousands of homes and killed many people in Baga. Wasn’t there also recently a DSS raid on the opposing political party, APC, and used torture to force confessions? Does TB Joshua support the APC? I don’t exactly know. In other reports, they seem to indicate that Nigeria’s security forces can be brutal, are full of corruption and that there have been “mass killings” of unarmed men.

        So in light of the view that “some” in Nigeria’s security forces are willing to kill innocent people or possibly TB Joshua…it’s quite natural to presume that a plan to bring down a SCOAN building while using plausible deniability is convenient.

        The government’s own witness against Joshua’s lawyer testified that he knew of a sabotage operation that would use some “invisible substance” to bring down a target.

        Did you see the video that you requested? The one that shows the laser being tested? Do you see how it cuts? Here is what one of the SCOAN collapsed building survivor,Taiwo Temitayo Taiwo, said what he saw:

        “Immediately the building was coming down, what I saw or heard was like a thunderous lightning accompanied with a sound, hitting the wall AS If someone was using A SAW TO CUT AN IRON, then the house collapsed.”


        Now why don’t they go after Boku Haram first instead of the Joshua/SCOAN theory that I put out there? Perhaps if they had been successful at destroying Boku Haram early without any outside intervention then perhaps they would score the love from the people instead of shame and embarrassment. A lot of people seem to love TB Joshua all over Africa. Saul has slain his thousands but David (Joshua) his tens of thousands. What did King Saul do? Israel did have enemies. He chased David… trying to kill him and his followers. What did David do? “I will not touch the Lord’s anointed…”

      • Jesse wrote: “If there was any story that was making a novel 300 page book then this this is it ! It’s not only preposterous, hilarious but also ridiculous.

        Nigerians that cannot take out Boko Haram, take out a false private prophet with your alleged weaponry.

        Nigerians love a high tall tale to tell you and then rub your upper arm and laugh their head off hysterically and in the mean time they hope you take it for bait. When you don’t, they walk away or tell you another fantasy story.”

        James wrote: I saw this in one of the comment sections that a Nigerian made this comment:

        “It was reported in Vanguard that the Late Justice Chukwudifu Oputa told his son, Charly Boy three weeks before his demise that most Nigerians were incapable of deep thinking. Lord Lugard was also reported to have said that most Africans relish power and authority but are the least bothered about the responsibility that comes with it.”

      • Jesse wrote: “I tell you what why don’t you go back to this what the root of it all is:

        Nigeria is hold to ransom by four strongholds which are:
        A.LIES. The stronghold of LIES !
        B.GREED. The stronghold of GREED !
        C.DECEPTION. The stronghold of DECEPTION.
        D.MONEY. The stronghold of “THE LOVE OF MONEY”

        That is all your politicians know and all your churches know. And with that they operate to make it to a SCAM and 419 Country.
        Everybody knows this, even in America. But you seem to fail this.”

        James wrote: While it true that these things are happening in Nigeria, please not that they are also happening in the rest of the world. Some to a lesser extent and some to a greater extent.

        In spite of these setbacks, Nigeria is a great country with a great people that, in my humble opinion, simply seems to suffer from a self-image problem. Know this, God believes in you! Prophet TB Joshua, one of His servants, believes in you, too!

        http://nigeriamasterweb.com/Masterweb/newsreel-15115-if-tb-joshua-were-american

      • Jesse wrote: “Why not put the fish and bread upon your head, ok.”

        James writes: I’m American. I have no idea what that means, sorry.

        Jesse wrote: “See if I fall for the stories that they make up to not be responsible for their actions. Which is clearly demonstrated in SCOAN with all their strength and media tools. When we see all that, we see a so called ministry that has made people to merchandise and the inculcation of the masses that have nowhere to go than these scam ministries.Why not put the fish and bread upon your head, ok. See if I fall for the stories that they make up to not be responsible for their actions. Which is clearly demonstrated in SCOAN with all their strength and media tools. When we see all that, we see a so called ministry that has made people to merchandise and the inculcation of the masses that have nowhere to go than these scam ministries.”

        Prophet Joshua does not want anyone to be forced or compelled to give anything they don’t want to give… but to give freely from their hearts —> that is, if they want to give.

      • Jesse wrote: “Nowhere these things have been practiced as you purport and there is no evidence as such either. Not even in a war scenario. So why use it on a ministry that does fake interrogations of imaginary demons ?”

        James writes (cut & paste): Used in Afghanistan (U.S). Used in Gaza (Israel). India has capability… etc. Do some extended research.

        “Laser beams do not generate sound or light that would be detected by human senses when emitted, so the weapon would not betray its user’s position when fired.”

        Plausible deniability.

      • @ James,

        James wrote: “Plausible deniability.” That should then also be applied towards the ridiculous stories that TB Joshua does in the name of Prophecy. In where he cuts and pastes his prophecies to fit the purpose of his agenda.

        I have done extensive research. Otherwise I would not know about these matters. And the article of Stars and Stripes does not prove anything that they fitted a laser on their C130’s.

        When I arrived at the airport with a bunch of computers designated for TB Joshua, nobody was interested to open them up of what was inside. None of the security. None. They just passed them on. Because they knew they were for SCOAN. What does that say about your assumption ?

        And then you come with the story of that they deliberately utilized a Lockheed Martin C130 with a laser canon to take out TB Joshua, who was at the time in the Swamp of prayer mountain. Why not take him out there right ? Why not mow all the palm trees down so that we can see what is out there in the middle of a Swamp. Because they already knew that he was living there. Why take it out on a building and have all these hassles afterwards.

        James wrote: “Prophet Joshua does not want anyone to be forced or compelled to give anything they don’t want to give… but to give freely from their hearts —> that is, if they want to give.”

        Your false private prophet is a serial liar. A fantasist and a psychopathic narcissist. A closet Muslim that thinks that prayerbeads and repetitive prayers are the answers to ignorant people.

        There are numerous posts here where I have written where we can see what a liar he is. And also TBJW, Just Wonder, Giles and many others has done this.

        Not to even to mention about the loads of false prophecies he has done that you all deny for the sake of it. As somebody has written today that you better can close your browser when talking with people that live in denial and find that their own agenda is more important that a human life. When they can use a human life to further their evil quests they will use this donkey in front of their cart with a bit carrot in front of it. But when it comes to take responsibility to admit of that they never spoke to the Holy Spirit in the first place to erect an evil building for the purpose of their program they were not taken aback and kept themselves ice cold (typical hallmarks for psychopathic narcissists) when comes to wriggle themselves out left right and center and then put God and their religion for their cart because they can in the eyes of the christian world. They never fix things. They always leave a trail behind with deception and clever ways to get out of it. I have dealt with numerous of these charlatans and I have seen their court cases first hand and the paperwork that goes with it. Nothing is better than that money answers all things as the bible says. In this, shrewd and wriggly charlatans want to hold unto their high horse seat in control and let the masses dance in front of them. Unfortunately, indeed David was a small person, but was not afraid to fight with the bear in the field and the lion in the desert. Denial has always been the excuse to divert the view to a river in Egypt, but it never is when it comes to scrutiny. Nigeria has no Justice system in place whatsoever. And they will never touch their milkcow and they also don’t want to touch the octopus with the eight legs in order to be suckered into it. They rather want to live out their life with the dollar speaking and their feet winking. That is why the bible says. Proverbs 6 :13 onwards. A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth. He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers; Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord. Not in the way the kind of discord among people, but sowing it to put another on the wrong footing. Are you such a person ? Or are you promoting such a person ? Or are you scheming together with such a person ? The ball is your court.

      • @ James,

        “In spite of these setbacks, Nigeria is a great country with a great people that, in my humble opinion, simply seems to suffer from a self-image problem. Know this, God believes in you! Prophet TB Joshua, one of His servants, believes in you, too!”

        There is not much to believe in regarding myself. Because I am in God, through God and with God. Which is what is very important when you want to live before Him. I am an open book when it comes to if I had any mischief in myself. I have written many times about myself that do my utmost to NOT SIN in front of the Almighty. But I can always do better or even scrutinize myself even more regarding that.
        However. I rather would like that you would not associate me with a so called false private prophet who refuses to admit that his prophelyings are wrong.

        Please wake up, Nigeria is big disappointment. They pretend a lot, but then they steal at lot too from others and with lies they elbow themselves forward with all means. I truly despise this. And sure other countries do this too. But we are on a website that scrutinizes TB Joshua and his antics and TB Joshua is connected with Nigeria. And TB Joshua has a big mouth, but does not and cannot get the canker sores out of his own country which he lets his followers believe even with the so called “power of God” he acclaims he has. Because when it comes to reality we see how he terribly fails like everyone else does.

        But here is the thing. When one tells himself or herself long enough things or inculcate them on others who have no ability to stand up for themselves with their God or do I say, their own “god” they have created for themselves, one must then ask why on earth make all those claims in the first place and fool your own selves ? There are so many people where I grew up with who were doing these kind of things and had these sayings. But after all it was all megalomania and excessive saying things that only makes sense to themselves and the group they are into. You can really believe in things as such a Marilyn Manson, Or Jim Jones and believe it is Ok but that does not mean it fits in a society that thinks in their own way of sociology and that these things have totally no place there whatsoever. The result is protests, lies, aggression, oppression and the like. Even up till hold ups and burning out the perpetrators who are misaligned in their thinking processes. And what does it all result into ? Absolutely nothing. They are a law to themselves. What else is it then, then another day in history with their names engraved in the history books which they so aspired to. With a big trail of blood slithering behind them. They call them the war hero’s and the front runners or fore runners. Is that so ? Do such heroics (re)write history ? No not at all, every day was just another day with a variation on the theme. It was the same ball game, but a different ball. But who cares, as long as you can fill the days of your life with something what somebody thinks is meaningful. While it was trash after all on close encounters. But people are people. They just want to keep thinking that what they do is better than another is doing and put their chest forward into it.

  47. tbjoshuawatch wrote: “Don’t dishonor the memories of the dead by encouraging SCOAN in their lies.”

    James writes: Do you think that Joshua’s enemies hated what happened to the dead but in their heart of hearts they were rejoicing that this could finally be TB Joshua’s demise?

    Those who died, my brothers & sisters in the Lord. Perhaps if they were still alive Nosa would have called them SCOANITES in derision? Let me ask you, is it better to give flowers to people while they are alive or when they enter grave? Sorry.

    I believe that, from across the ocean Atlantic, I choose to honor those martyrs who died in the collapsed building simply by not limiting my thinking to circular reasoning… in other words —> no matter what it is always TB Joshua’s fault yesterday, today and forever.

    TB Joshua, being a genuine Christian, is simply a victim of prophecy… John 15:18-19… I John 3:13.

    • @James

      With respect, the only circular reasoning comes from the supporters of TB Joshua who cannot compute the fact that their prophet might have been in some way responsible for this tragedy. I don’t think anyone here wants anything but the truth to be discovered, if it genuinely was a futurist weapon attack, then evidence should be presented in court by SCOAN, but excuse us while we remain skeptical and understand that our skepticism is not due to a predisposition to theories that make TB Joshua look bad, it is about following the strongest evidence. The only evidence for SCOAN’s theories is a plane flew over 50 minutes before (at a decent altitude, it wasn’t anywhere near as low as SCOAN claim), and the building collapsed more or less into its footprint. Even these two pieces of evidence don’t match – an attack from the air would not cause the building to collapse the way it did, even less so than structural failure. The plane is a complete redherring, unless you get into the realm of sci-fi there’s no way that had anything to do with it. The way it collapsed is only cause for suspicion if you believe the SCOAN site was compromised by terrorists who had structural plans of the building and were able to work for hours drilling detonation points into load bearing points without detection and avoiding the many CCTV cameras, and these same terrorists chose to target a building that had an unfinished and illegal extension? Why would terrorists be so precise about an attack?

      Since you’re asking questions and seem a little less into the circular reasoning common with most SCOAN supporters, I would like to know your answer to the following questions:
      1. Have you seen any evidence that SCOAN had approval for the extra floors? SCOAN haven’t presented any from the court, and the contractor has said they didn’t.
      2. Have you seen any evidence that SCOAN had mandatory building insurance? Again, there is no evidence they did, and this would have greatly helped the families get compensation if they had.
      3. If SCOAN genuinely believe they were attacked, why are the continuing to put lives at risk by holding large gatherings several times a week? If they haven’t got to the bottom of who attacked them, how can they be sure it wouldn’t happen again? For this reason, I don’t think even SCOAN believes these laser weapon/bomb theories – they’re just trying to throw people off the scent because they know at the very least they are in serious trouble for issue 1 and 2.

      You say you’ve contacted SCOAN about why they’re not cooperating with the courtcase. Can I suggest that writing an email will have no affect at all. If you want them to take note, we would be happy to publish (unedited) an open letter from a SCOAN supporter.

      • TB Joshua Watch wrote: “@James,With respect, the only circular reasoning comes from the supporters of TB Joshua who cannot compute the fact that their prophet might have been in some way responsible for this tragedy. I don’t think anyone here wants anything but the truth to be discovered…”

        James writes: I would say that some want the whole truth even if it leads to TB Joshua’s innocence in the whole matter. In the minds of some, they want the outcome of discovery to lead to a TB Joshua guilt verdict because they already believe that he is guilty.


        TB Joshua Watch wrote: “…if it genuinely was a futurist weapon…”

        James writes: The futuristic weapon (the laser) is now and is operational.


        TB Joshua Watch wrote : “…then evidence should be presented in court by SCOAN…”

        James writes: In due course. From what I understand, it is still in the fact finding stage. TB Joshua is not on trial, except in the hearts of his critics. According to a Homicide investigator in the State Security Service, he believes that it was a controlled demolition.

      • @James, the coroner has been very clear that TB Joshua is not on trial, he is being summoned as a WITNESS, and who can argue that the general overseer of the church who’s building collapsed isn’t a relevant witness? So why is he acting as if he is on trial and refusing to turn up to court? Lawyers acting on his behalf have said that he’s not coming to court “as no case had been established against his person before the coroner”. Since when has does a case need to be established against a witness?!

        When you look at his behaviour right from the start, the attacks on press and emergency workers (denied by SCOAN, but reported by numerous independent sources), the attempts to bribe the press to focus their reports on the people rescued, not the people who died (captured on tape), the lies told on social media during the immediate aftermath (just a few people trapped who are being rescued) and to numerous family members who tried to get in contact, the refusal to turn up to court, the attempts to swing public opinion through conspiracy theory videos…. This man has something to hide – there’s no doubt about that.

      • TB Joshua Watch wrote: “The only evidence for SCOAN’s theories is a plane flew over 50 minutes before (at a decent altitude, it wasn’t anywhere near as low as SCOAN claim), and the building collapsed more or less into its footprint. Even these two pieces of evidence don’t match – an attack from the air would not cause the building to collapse the way it did, even less so than structural failure. The plane is a complete redherring, unless you get into the realm of sci-fi there’s no way that had anything to do with it.”

        James writes: Can you 100% rule out that it wasn’t a laser coming from the Nigerian Air Force C-130H that brought down the building? Yes or No.

      • TB Joshua Watch wrote: “Since you’re asking questions and seem a little less into the circular reasoning common with most SCOAN supporters, I would like to know your answer to the following questions:
        1. Have you seen any evidence that SCOAN had approval for the extra floors? SCOAN haven’t presented any from the court, and the contractor has said they didn’t.”

        James writes: Here is what the Town Planner “fully” said at the hearing that wasn’t widely reported:

        “Narrating his role in the whole saga, he (Bisi Adedire) said he was contacted by the church in June 2014 to prepare a technical report on the church buildings. He claimed that evaluation, he had informed the church authorities THAT THOUGH THEY HAD ERRED by not getting approval before construction, THE ANOMOLIES COULD BE CORRECTED.

        ‘I informed them that the law made provisions through a system known as REGULARISATION to OBTAIN THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS,’ he explained. ‘However, IT COMES WITH A FINE. Consequently, I was contracted by them to regularise the building documents. I started the process immediately and I have official proofs to back it up. Sadly, WE HAD NOT CONCLUDED the process before I heard that the building collapsed.’ According to Adedire, The SCOAN HAD PAID N20 MILLION to the Lagos State Government to process the approval.

        He further informed the coroner that immediately he heard the tragic news, he went straight to inform the appropriate ministry as well as insisting that the church authorities take inventory of the whole proceedings, A TASK THEY ENTRUSTED INTO HIS CARE.

        ‘When I got into the scene of the incident on Friday September 12, 2014, I wtched the CCTV footage of the collapse and I was taken aback because normal buildings don’t fall in such a way, within seconds. Also, the smoke like dust was suspicious.’ ”

        http://www.maravipost.com/201412197756/People/synagogue-collapse-town-planner-submitss-building-plans-suspects-controlled-demolition.html

        (I had to re-type the whole thing because the Maravi Post does not allow me to cut & paste so if there are any editing errors then please excuse it.)

      • TB Joshua Watch wrote: “2. Have you seen any evidence that SCOAN had mandatory building insurance? Again, there is no evidence they did, and this would have greatly helped the families get compensation if they had.”

        James writes: “Synagogue Church Facilities Fully Insured – T.B. Joshua”

        http://leadership.ng/news/405193/synagogue-church-facilities-fully-insured-tb-joshua

        (Obviously the necessary authorities will be the only ones who would need to see the insurance credentials)

      • TB Joshua Watch wrote: “3. If SCOAN genuinely believe they were attacked, why are the continuing to put lives at risk by holding large gatherings several times a week?”

        James writes: I can’t speak for my brother (Joshua)… but I do know that the Godly are as bold as lions (Proverbs 28:1). What would have happened if Nehemiah and Israelis had ran away because of Sanballat and Tobias attacks? God forbid.

        Nehemiah 6:11-13: “But I said, ;Should a man like me run away? Or should someone like me go into the temple to save his life? I will not go! I realized that God had not sent him, but that he had prophesied against me because Tobiah and Sanballat had hired him. He had been hired to intimidate me so that I would commit a sin by doing this, and then they would give me a bad name to discredit me.’ ”

        Neither will my brothers and sisters run but will continue the work that God has given them.

      • TB Joshua Watch wrote: “…If they haven’t got to the bottom of who attacked them, how can they be sure it wouldn’t happen again?”

        James writes: Let me ask you this. If Boko Haram did it… wouldn’t you think that they would have already come out and proudly say so like they did with other attacks? Selah (Think about it.)


        TB Joshua Watch wrote: “For this reason, I don’t think even SCOAN believes these laser weapon/bomb theories – they’re just trying to throw people off the scent because they know at the very least they are in serious trouble for issue 1 and 2.”

        James writes: They definitely do not believe the building collapsed because of faulty carpentry or engineering. I don’t either, neither did the town planner, Bisi Adedire, nor the State Security investigator.

        Simple question: Where is the plane at and the 5 people who occupied the plane? If the saboteurs are caught they know that they are in serious trouble. I wouldn’t be surprised if the C-130H was 1/2 gutted of its contents by now.

      • TB Joshua Watch wrote: “You say you’ve contacted SCOAN about why they’re not cooperating with the courtcase.”

        James writes: I never said that. With respect, please go back and quote what I really said, in context with the dialogue.

        TB Joshua Watch wrote: “Can I suggest that writing an email will have no affect at all. If you want them to take note, we would be happy to publish (unedited) an open letter from a SCOAN supporter.”

        James writes: I sent them what I’ve found in my research. Perhaps the information will get to correct person. If so, Praise the Lord. If not, then I understand… Praise the Lord anyhow. I have plenty of email myself that I have yet to look at and they have millions of supporters world-wide. They can’t possibly get to all of them.

        Have a good night or good day where you are…. James

      • @ James,

        “I wouldn’t be surprised if the C-130H was 1/2 gutted of its contents by now.”

        Objection, speculation, as is speculation that there was a laser weapon attached to a Lockheed Martin C130.

        You have no proof. Give us the proof. You are staging the stage. The preparation of the election. The false tracks set out. To deceive and to lie.

        They have had plenty time to sidetrack and that is what is going on here. They will keep doing so. Because they have over the years plenty people in high places. Who keep hands over certain heads. If TB Joshua was speaking to God on a daily basis, he should have pointed out the exact perpetrators. There are none. There is continual speculation. Speculation to keep sitting in the high horse saddle to let the false private prophet rule over others and deceive and to drag them into hell. We see what is happening. We have constantly seen what is happening. It’s looks impressive in your own eyes, close but NO CIGAR. Speculation is Another great evil arising from this desire to be thought rich; or rather, from the desire not to be thought poor, is the destructive thing which has been honored by the name of ‘speculation’; but which ought to be called Gambling. You are constantly speculating. You give articles that are dubious that come from places that are writing these things for the sake of writing it. Not for going for the truth. You want to support the lie that your false private prophet is a serial liar. There are numerous facts about it. Let’s take an example. Where TB Joshua is saying that he is in the womb of his mother more than 9 months, then it is 15 and then it even amounts to over 20. Which is beating the world record !!!!!! This man is a fantasist. He tells tall tales to entertain and you are supporting this. At least it is a lie and lying is a sin. And you all him your brother ? Why did you not address him about these lies ? There are videos about where he does this. Lies ! Lying is from Satan. Satan lies for a living and he is doing it right under our noses. And we have to accept this ? You accept this. John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

        You don’t care about this do you ? You condone the lies that he says. This is not the only one he does, he does several, which makes him a serial liar.HE does charity in the name of himself with agencies in Ghana, South Africa, Zimbabwe, and Nigeria to write for him.

        What does that say in the bible ? Matthew 6: 2 “So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 3″But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.”

        You support this ? Is that your purpose to defend your so called brother ? He is not a brother, not from the fold of Jesus Christ. He does this for himself, for his own agenda, to carve out a name for himself. He even does not denounce Islam. He is a closet Muslim. His parents were, at least his mum was. He take the robe of Muslims as an authority ? He prays with beads as a Muslim or Catholic. And you call him a brother ? When will your eyes open ? You are being deceived and you are being used as a prop to come here to bring forth the false prophet which Revelation is talking about and II Thessalonians. He wants to be god. And he wants to be worshipped. We know from experience, we know because we were there, we know that God is showing us to expose this charlatan. This is no brother of us. Nor should it be yours. But you are eyeball deep into it and you don’t want to admit that you have clutched yourself on the bitter root of deception. As Thessalonians II: 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

        I do not believe for one second that the Nigerians have such thing as you purport. It would mean after this they would never ever be able to use it again in the future. You are clutching at straws and you are trying to side track this website with speculation.

        It is intellectually dishonest to look backwards with all the facts and judge the decisions that were made with almost none of the facts, or the facts that existed hidden in the normal cloud of endless speculation of what could have been.

        Even though such thing exists, only recently they did tests on sea with it openly. And it was not spectacular at all. Plus it needs an enormous amount of energy to generate to execute it. And the reason why they stopped doing it on airplanes is because it was not effective, if not useless. You need a hovering sort of airplane for that and that was not the case. It was not a helicopter. It was CLAIMED it was hovering. Helicopters hover. Aeroplanes fly straight forward, at least Lockheed Martin C130’s do.

      • @ James,

        “James writes: The futuristic weapon (the laser) is now and is operational.”

        Show us any video or picture that is been used on a building, without going into “plausible deniability” argument.

        These lasers have been only tested on flying targets, sitting targets like trucks, vans and cars. Then the stricken area is local on or in one spot, not spread over a long stretched area I.e, the sides of buildings and structures.

        Show me any evidence that an entire building has been collapsed with it and they have claimed that.

        Don’t start with “plausible deniability” again. I want proof from you. Not theories what might or could have been and is not. So far you have brought proof of articles, which is rife in the special promotional department in SCOAN. Who write articles to promote the false private prophet for an agenda as well propaganda.

  48. tbjoshuawatch wrote: “The truth needs to be discovered, and the main thing holding that up is TB Joshua’s refusal to turn up to court as a witness.”

    James writes: The truth always come to light. Sometimes it’s immediate and sometimes it may take years. Can I ask you another question? Do you love TB Joshua?

    • @ James,

      We can love somebody, but not for his deeds to be trumpeted around to carve a name out for yourself.

      Matthew 6:2 So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

      TB Joshua does anything like that. Envelopes with money written on it. While it can be news paper cuttings inside of it. And they do it on camera and for the purpose to attract people to the church in doing, Look, this is what we do, come on over. And then also throw some false deliverances in it. Like Satan lives in Hell, and Satan has a base on Mercury, Satan has lost his fish, Satan is the inventor of Skinny Jeans. Cisco Kid Paves the Way for Skinny Jeans in the 1950’s. Are you also claiming now that stockings is an invention of Satan ? Why not give all the glory to Satan ? Why ? He has invented nothing. Tesla has invented what you see to day everything a 100 years ago. Was he also from Satan ? Please, this church is a scam church and you all love it because deception is from the world scene and played out there day and night and not from the church of Jesus Christ. I am 100% convinced about it. No matter what you bring as counter fact it is not.

  49. tbjoshuawatch wrote: “Are you campaigning SCOAN about this?”

    James write: As of recent yes. I sent them a few emails (not sure if I got the right email though).

    • @ James,

      So you are adding your theory to their already extensive list of pointing elsewhere for their own mistakes they have made ?

      Have you ever asked yourself Mr. James this ?

      Why if a prophet who claims that God speaks to him daily or even what is recently unfolded, peeping upon God as his “ability” is supposed too be that it is so and a fact to my opinion is:

      Why did the Holy Spirit not tell him in prophetic means that what the was building there this building (illegal), (without permit), (without insurances) that that place where he agreed it would be build it was a no no and that it would result in a disaster in the future ?

      Should a man of God do things without the approval of the Holy Spirit or even God ? Should he ? Which is exactly what he did. He did it because he was not interested into them as a person but to expand his empire to he could even ask more money from them to keep expanding his agenda in the future. Likely some advisers were next to him at the table who are also individually responsible for these choices that were made there and then. And so the contractor was deployed and started his work on an illegal building that had no approval. You don’t feel that’s a sin right ?

      Well, obviously it was a sin, because as a result for doing so TB Joshua paid the price for it all.

      Now to show you how this is totally biblical of what I say I want to take you to:

      1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it. And Joab answered, The LORD make his people an hundred times so many more as they be: but, my lord the king, are they not all my lord’s servants? why then doth my lord require this thing? why will he be a cause of trespass to Israel? Nevertheless the king’s word prevailed against Joab. Wherefore Joab departed, and went throughout all Israel, and came to Jerusalem. And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred threescore and ten thousand men that drew sword. But Levi and Benjamin counted he not among them: for the king’s word was abominable to Joab.

      AND NOW HERE IS THE CRUX of this STORY !

      1 Chronicles 21:7 And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel.

      AND THAT IS WHAT YOUR FALSE PRIVATE PROPHET DID. HE DID THIS BECAUSE HIS EYE BECAME FULL OF PRIDE AND EGO AND WANTED TO BYPASS WHAT GOD DID NOT WANT AND SO THIS WAS HAPPENING TO HIM AND HIS MINISTRY.

      WHEN YOU SIN, YOU PAY THE PRICE ! 1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

      So when you think you can take the shortcut, THINK AGAIN ! I will not say more than this ! Go figure it out yourself and stop with these ridiculous stupid stories.

  50. Good Evening (here in the U.S.)… though we are not in agreement with our Brother Prophet and I don’t know you guys personally… I love you guys in the Lord.

    Brother Jesse I briefly saw that you replied to me but I haven’t read it yet. Lord willing I will…. but I haven’t yet commented on the Charlie Hebdco prophecy. As we know, over a week period, Prophet TB Joshua prophesied about an attack in Paris and he mentioned the days would be Wednesday, Thursday and Friday but it seemed as if he were guesstimating the days.

    It is true that the attack happened in Paris and it is true that SCOAN pointed toward the prophecy and edited out Friday. It is also true that Paris had been attacked by terrorists on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Why did the church edit out Friday? I don’t know but perhaps when they made the recent video about the attacks that things hadn’t developed on Friday up to that point. Okay…. so who is ready for a timeline?

    I have a link but I want to post timeline by cutting & pasting. I may have to add in some comments for myself. So let’s start with Wednesday… 3 days of terror in Paris coming up…

    • WEDNESDAY, Jan. 7

      1. Charlie Hebdo tweets a cartoon from the newspaper’s Twitter account on Wednesday morning of Islamic State chief Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. The caption translates to “Best wishes, by the way.”
      2. Journalists from Charlie Hebdo gather at around 10 a.m. local time for their weekly editorial meeting. (A Charlie Hebdo reporter told Le Monde that the attackers had to know about the meeting because it was an opportunity to confront the entire staff in one place, since they don’t usually work in the offices.)

      3. Gunmen drive up in a vehicle outside the Charlie Hebdo building in central Paris, and two men get out dressed in black balaclavas and carrying Kalashnikov weapons.

      Cartoonist Corine Rey returns to the Charlie Hebdo office after picking up her daughter from day care when two gunmen approach her and force her to type in a code on a keypad so they can enter. She hides under a desk.

      The gunmen ask two people at the building’s reception area where Charlie Hebdo’s office is. They fire, killing one of the people.

      The gunmen go up to the second floor to the newspaper’s office. They execute 10 people, including the publication’s editorial director, four cartoonists, other staff journalists, a guest and a police officer providing security. Eleven others are wounded. The attackers shout, “Allah akbar” (“God is great”) and say, “We’ve taken revenge against the prophet.”

      The gunmen separated the men from the women and called out the names of cartoonists they intended to kill, Gerald Kierzek, a physician who treated wounded patients and spoke with survivors, told CNN. The shooting was not a random spray of bullets but more of a precision execution, he said.

      1. People in neighboring offices run to the building’s roof when they hear the shooting and record videos of the attackers leaving in the car left outside the building. Other office workers help treat and evacuate the wounded as police and emergency medical teams arrive.
    • The attackers drive a short distance to Allee Verte shortly before noon and fire on a patrol car blocking their way. Another exchange of gunfire occurs soon afterward, when a police patrol tries to stop them. They drive down another street and shoot a police officer on Boulevard Richard Lenoir, first wounding him, then killing him as he lies crumpled on the sidewalk.

    • About an hour later, the attackers are spotted fleeing to northern Paris, where they hit another car, then ditch their car and carjack another vehicle. Police find jihadist flags and gasoline bombs in the abandoned getaway car.

    • By evening, thousands gather at Place de la Republique for a vigil for those slain.


    • Okay… in the original videos and edited video about the attack in Paris, Prophet Joshua mentions an attack on Wednesday so he prophesied this day correctly on all.

    • THURSDAY, Jan. 8 (Part 1)

      A. Hamyd Mourad, 18, a suspect in the attack, surrenders to police at Charleville-Mézières, about 50 miles northeast of Reims in Champagne. On Saturday (Jan. 10th), he was released without charges, according to French media. (Hamyd Mourad is the brother-in-law to Cherif Kouachi. Mr. Mourad was seen by several students in his High School Class at the time of terrorist attack on Jan 7th).

      So according to what I see so far… that 3rd Paris Terror suspect is still on the loose.

      B. Before daybreak, police release photos and names of the suspected attackers Chérif Kouachi, 32, and his brother Said, 34.

      C. French Prime Minister Manuel Valls announces “several” arrests have been made. French media report that those detained are mainly acquaintances of the Kouachi brothers.

      D. A police officer is killed, and a street sweeper is injured in a shooting in southern Paris (The police officer was a female and was killed by one of the terrorists).

      E. (I have to add) Hayet Boumeddiene is the wife of Amedy Coulibaly. Mr. Coulibaly, who is now dead, was linked to the Kouachi terrorist brothers . Authorities had been trailing Boumeddiene as she flew from Paris to Instanbul, Turkey just days before the attacks but her trail went cold on January 8th.

    • THURSDAY, Jan. 8th (Part 2)

      A. Just before midday, a gas station in the Aisne region of northern France is robbed. The clerk says the attackers fit the description of the wanted brothers, armed with Kalashnikov assault weapons and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.

      B. At noon, much of the Paris metro area comes to a standstill as a moment of silence is held for the victims of Wednesday’s attack. Onlookers weep while listening to bells peal at Notre Dame, and the rector of the Paris Mosque calls on Muslims to observe the moment of silence and honor victims of the “exceptional violence.”

      C. Late that afternoon, police in tactical gear swarm the villages of Corcy and Longpont and the nearby town of Villers-Cotterêts, all a short distance from where the brothers were reportedly seen at the gas station. The location is surrounded by dense forests.

      D. Prime Minister Manuel Valls puts the Picardy region, which stretches to the English Channel, on the highest alert level.


      Long-story short about Thursday… the terrorists are still on the loose as they continue to commit acts of violence. Prophet TB Joshua had also claimed this day in the paris attack prophecy on his original videos and the staff-edited video (that left out Friday).

    • FRIDAY, Jan. 9. (Part 1)

      • (Mine) Now that I looked at the edited video that left out Friday… it looks like it was published on Youtube on Wednesday, Jan. 7th. Which means that it was edited 2 days prior to the last day of the terrorist attacks which ended on Friday. So IF they are guilty of anything it is simply “jumping the gun”.

      A. The Kouachi brothers steal a Peugeot northeast of Paris.

      B. The brothers are cornered with a hostage inside a printing house in Dammartin-en-Goele, a small industrial town about 30 miles northeast of Paris.

      The town goes into lockdown as authorities move in on the brothers.

      C. As the standoff with the Kouachi brothers unfolds, a gunman (Amedy Coulibaly) takes hostages at a kosher grocery on the eastern edge of Paris, wounding several people (most likely Jews). The hostage taker is armed with an automatic rifle, and there are multiple hostages, some of whom are wounded.

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/video-evidence-the-kosher-grocery-store-and-the-killing-of-ahmedy-coulibali/5425403

    • FRIDAY, Jan. 9. (Part 2)

      A. A police official identifies the gunman at the grocery store and Thursday’s police shooting as Amedy Coulibaly. Police release his photo and that of a suspected female accomplice, Hayat Boumeddiene, calling them “armed and dangerous.” Soon after, police link Coulibaly to the Kouachi brothers.

      B. Coulibaly threatens to kill his hostages if police launch an assault on the cornered brothers.

      C. Police order all shops closed in a Jewish neighborhood in central Paris, far from the two hostage crises.

      D. Minutes later, police storm the Paris kosher grocery in another eruption of gunshots and explosions. Fifteen are rescued.

      E. Paris Prosecutor Francois Molins says the four people killed in the kosher supermarket died when Coulibaly entered the store and opened fire.

    • FRIDAY, Jan. 9. (Part 3)

      A. Just before 5 p.m., security forces launch a major assault on the printing plant; explosions and gunshots ring out. The Kouachi brothers are killed in the exchange. Their hostage is rescued.

      B. Hours after the twin sieges have ended, Al Qaeda’s Yemen branch announces claims in an online video posting that they directed the attack on Charlie Hebdo.

      C. President Obama, in Knoxville, Tenn (USA)… …expresses relief that the crisis in Paris appears to have reached a culminating point.

      “We’re hopeful the immediate threat is now resolved,” Obama says.


      Wednesday, Thurday, Friday… just as God warned through one of His servants… Prophet TB Joshua.

      Let’s move on to the Airport and Rail Road Tracks. I haven’t looked into yet so let’s see what’s going on there. Just because there are Rail Road tracks all over France as you say… it does not make the prophecy any less true. But give me some time to zoom in and see what’s happening brothers/sisters.

    • Edit: “…though we are not in agreement with our Brother Prophet …”

      What I meant to say was… “…though we are not in agreement with each other (see eye to eye) about our Brother Prophet…”

  51. Airport

    On Friday, Jan 9th, the terrorists took a hostage at a printing plant in southern Dammartin-en-Goele, France… just 12 minutes from Charles de Gaulle Airport. About 13.5km or just over 8 miles away.

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Charles+de+Gaulle+Airport,+Roissy-en-France,+France/Dammartin-en-Go%C3%ABle,+France/@49.0129574,2.5561394,12z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x47e63e038e4ccf5b:0x42be0982f5ba62c!2m2!1d2.547924!2d49.009691!1m5!1m1!1s0x47e622dff78de485:0x40b82c3688c5c90!2m2!1d2.683399!2d49.054824

    • @James

      Thanks for the detailed analysis. I can agree that if SCOAN had waited until the whole thing had played out, and had released a video drawing out all these similarities as you have, then they could have a claim of a vague fulfillment. However, the fact they edited out the day Friday, and the location (airport or railway) to get the prophecy out quickly is demonstration of their willingness to cut up and edit the “word of God” to suit their purpose so they can ride the wave of a big news story, exploiting a tragedy as we’ve said many times before.

      Having said all this, the proximity to an airport is not at all convincing to me because it didn’t happen AT an airport. What purpose does it serve if just being within a certain radius of an airport counts? I’m still struggling to see how these kind of “prophecies” typical of TBJ serve any purpose except to draw attention to him. We’ve revealed numerous times how freely they edit out mistakes – the fact that the bits they edited out this time turned out to be unnecessary edits is irrelevant – look at the edits in the Abuja prophecy, the Malaysian airlines prophecy, the Colorado shooting etc etc… in each of these we find key details that turned out to be wrong, so were edited out. How can you claim he is speaking for God (or as he has put it before, he “sees these things as clear as watching Emmanuel TV”) when he gets so much wrong?

      I’d love to hear back from you on my last building collapse reply.

      • TBJoshuaWatch wrote: @James…Thanks for the detailed analysis (mine: of the Charlie Hebdo 3 day attack). I can agree that if SCOAN had waited until the whole thing had played out, and had released a video drawing out all these similarities as you have, then they could have a claim of a vague fulfillment. However, the fact they edited out the day Friday, and the location (airport or railway) to get the prophecy out quickly is demonstration of their willingness to cut up and edit the “word of God” to suit their purpose so they can ride the wave of a big news story, exploiting a tragedy as we’ve said many times before.

        James writes: Emmanuel TV simply sounded the alarm early about the Prophet Joshua’s “Paris prophecy” on Wednesday, January 7th. The Prophet had warned the France to take note of Wed, Thurs & Friday which fulfilled the prophecy. Why they came out so early? Perhaps to help their supporters and their critics to start to take note. Why they allegedly edited out Friday (January 9th) but didn’t edit out Thursday (January 8th)? I don’t know the exact reason although it most likely was an unintentional error in the video editing process and they hadn’t corrected it, even to this day.

        Having said all this, the proximity to an airport is not at all convincing to me because it didn’t happen AT an airport. What purpose does it serve if just being within a certain radius of an airport counts?

        I listened again to what he said about the airport. Listen to it again TBW. He didn’t say that it was going to happen at an airport but “close to” an airport… which happened to be Charles De Gualle, 12 minute drive.

      • TB Joshua Watch wrote: “I’m still struggling to see how these kind of “prophecies” typical of TBJ serve any purpose except to draw attention to him.”

        That’s typical of the prophets that we see in the Bible (in both Testaments). They draw people unto them so that the people can hear the Word from the Lord and see the power of God. So that the people might believe in God and repent.

      • TB Joshua Watch wrote: “We’ve revealed numerous times how freely they edit out mistakes – the fact that the bits they edited out this time turned out to be unnecessary edits is irrelevant – look at the edits in the Abuja prophecy, the Malaysian airlines prophecy, the Colorado shooting etc etc… in each of these we find key details that turned out to be wrong, so were edited out. How can you claim he is speaking for God (or as he has put it before, he “sees these things as clear as watching Emmanuel TV”) when he gets so much wrong?”

        James writes: I can look at each these but it will take some time. I can’t promise you that it would be soon.

      • Correction and Edit:

        TB Joshua Watch wrote: “Having said all this, the proximity to an airport is not at all convincing to me because it didn’t happen AT an airport. What purpose does it serve if just being within a certain radius of an airport counts?

        James writes: I listened again to what he said about the airport. Listen to it again TBW and Jesse. He didn’t say that it was going to happen at an airport but “close to” an airport… which happened to be Charles De Gualle, 12 minute drive.

  52. Train

    Probaly the Gare Du Nord, Just over 2 miles from Charlie Hebdo. It was evacuated during the Paris terror attacks.

    • @James

      You’re really having to dig this up though aren’t you? I still challenge you to explain how these details had any use to people. The prophecy was 7 months old and didn’t give indication of a timeframe, let’s assume someone took this prophecy seriously and avoided all train stations and airports around Paris indefinitely – how would that have helped? They could have still been caught up in the attack. Based on your justification, what radius from airports and train stations should people have avoided in order to avoid this predicted attack?

      • @ TBJW,

        To me it has come over that there was inside information. Not from God, but they were intended to do this on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday and they needed a portal to bring this to the world with an agenda that they already had in place.

        To deceive the masses and including Christians who are more difficult to deceive. (Still debatable about that, because it proves it is not) I believe that Christians are so desperate to see certain things happening that they will take something that looks like from the OT and NT as genuine and run with it.

        What still is missing is: Date, Time, and Exact place within 10 square yards. As if God does not know this ? While these prophets claim that they know your name, address, telephone number, bank account, how much is in there, what you have eaten 10 years ago, what you drink next week and so forth. Not one prophet I have seen that is able to do a world prophecy like that ever. However that does not mean this is going to come while I am speaking this. Which is, I believe there are rather people who are working together to MAKE these things happening. Call me out on this. Call me ridiculous. Because there are many things which have deep questions about certain things that happen today in this world, which have at the root things that have not been caused by accidents but by purposely doing these things. Call me distrusting. It does not matter. I really do believe there are very callous people around who will go at length to do these things just to it for religions, political agenda, controlling the masses, deceiving world. Watch how many are NOW, yes right now out there in force. Deliberately on purpose. What are they actually doing ???? Usually it’s about talk. Talking about this, or that, or so has or must change. How are these things contributing to the world at large. Well one only have to observe the fact that it only has got worse and worse EVEN with all these talks. Which means these talks and movements do not achieve the things that they say they are going for. They are a display of ENTERTAINMENT for many countries. What do I mean by that. It means they are doing things as it looks something is happening on the inside but are only theatrical displays to directly deceive the masses in believing something is done behind the closed doors.

        As one demonstrator was clearly saying: These leaders of many countries come to show “solidarity” for 15-20 minutes and then they disappear behind closed doors and have their coffee and cake and extensive lunches. They do not stand at the forefront of the entire demonstration. When I heard that, I said, this person is exactly right.

        We have many politicians, religious figures, military might, and lots of technological advance in our world today. But we do not see any solution for the problems at hand even though they try to let us believe this. The fact is that their personal program and agenda is rather enslaving us to be depended upon them and their policies, deceptions, lies and deceit than creating a world that can live in peace with each other. That is what they say they want, but do not apply by practice but by clever chosen words alone.

        This is an (spiritual) octopus that has it’s tentacles in everything and controls this from a central point where it is seated. And if you bite off one tentacle, it is known that it will grow back in time if you let it be. The only way to get this removed is to go to the center where the octopus is sitting and kill it right there, so it will relinquish it’s grip over many.

      • Joshua put the warning out there on the global telecast. It is up to the person or nation being warned to take heed accordingly.

        Can a dire prophecy not come true? Sure. If a person, city or nation collectively repents. A worse thing can come on us, if after we repent, go back into the same sin that caused a dire prophecy to be prophesied in the first place.

  53. Jesse, replied to one of your posts above. Take care.

    TBW, saw just saw your replies as well but will have to get with them at some other time. Take care also, Love James

  54. TB Joshua Watch wrote: “@JAmes I’m pleased you are willing to look at these. You will find irrefutable evidence that they deceptively edit prophecies. You may not have much time to do this right now, but my advice is you should prioritise this – if what we say is true, you are supporting a false prophet, not a good position to be in! To save you time and help you out, here are some links:

    https:tbjoshuawatchwordpresscom/2013/11/12/tb-joshua-exploits-the-philippine-tragedy-for-his-own-gain/


    Hello TB Joshua Watch, I have to get up early in the morning so let’s start with the Philippine prophecy. I listened to the prophecy on June 24, 2012 and here is what I gathered so far. There were 3 typhoons. Let’s start with the first one:

    Part 1

    Typhoon Saola

    The prophecy was given on June 24th, 2012 in which Prophet TB Joshua said that it would happen soon. Typhoon Saola was formed in the Phillipine Sea on July 26, 2012 and ended August 5th. In its wake was the Phillipines, Taiwan and China. Here is a map plotting it’s path:

    Saola took to the north end of the PhilippINes, then onto the Republic of ChINa (Taiwan), then Mainland ChINa.

    Again July 26 – August 5

      • He narrowed it down to Asia in the prophecy… please listen it to again. The fact that all those nations or areas that got hit by the 3 typhoons has “IN” in their names is really incredible to behold.

  55. Part 2 Saola (July 26 – Aug 5 2012)

    Prophet Joshua also mentioned that he saw the letters “IN”. He did not say the letters “IN” were in the beginning or at the ending but that is what he said he had seen. “IN” is in the PhilippINes and both ChINas’ respectively.

    In the PhilippINes:

    • 519,000 people affected.
    • More than 17,500 were staying in evacuation centers.
      *Fatalities

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2182608/Typhoon-Saola-Flooding-landslides-kill-leave-thousands-homeless.html

    In Taiwan (also called The Republic of ChINa):

    • 5th wettest Typhoon ever
    • Over a thousand rescues
    • 2 passenger boarding bridges destroyed
    • A few fatalities and injuries

    In Mainland ChINa

    “In Hubei ProvINce, (mine: in the Capital city of Wuhan) flooding set off by more than 400 mm (16 in) of rain produced by Typhoon Saola killed 25 people and left 9 others missing. A total of 9,708 homes were destroyed and 36,726 more were damaged. Over 135,000 people were displaced by the floods and left in need of assistance across the province.”

    • @ James,

      That is now your false private prophet. Sitting upon his hands and do nothing. Does not even try to save one person in the process of his callous “predictions”. Not even one. Does not even try either. And then his department excited, did he not say so. Is there any point of having “inside information” as they claim and do nothing ? Or come as mustard after the meal ? Nor does he go himself and flag down the “predicted” crashing flights. He is too busy expanding his agenda, empire to deceive even more. Doom prophet. All that he predicts is death. Or dead celebrities. We know who the author of death is. Only Satan knows what he is going to do and what God is allowing him to do. JESUS saves, Satan let you die. It’s that simple.

      • Using the same logic that you are presenting then the same could be said of Jesus’ actions towards the rich, young ruler who asked, “what must I do to be saved?” but the young man later walked away sadly… or Jesus just letting Judas betray Him but didn’t do anything to stop him. But that wouldn’t be the logic Jesus had used.

        The truth is Jesus knew that the rich young ruler will eventually give up his riches and that Judas (though he was a disciple and perhaps was a zealot) would go on to betray him anyways (because Judas loved money more than God).

        In the same way, Prophets can only warn people. Because of free will, people can “choose” to take heed to the Prophet’s warning or not.


        I got a question for you… why didn’t God stop Cain from killing his brother? or… did he even try??? <<>>

  56. Typhoon Damrey

    Typhoon Damrey was formed just south of the Phillipine Sea on July 27th, 2012 and ended August 4th. In its wake was Mainland ChINa (Jiangsu provINce and it’s capital is NanjINg). Here is a map plotting it’s path:

    • 3.79 people affected, 100,000 people evacutated, 19,000 homes destroyed, 30,000 damaged,
    • Chinese launch major relief operation to aid the victims in the flooding, 11 people were killed, 33 missing.

    July 27 – August 4

  57. Typhoon Haikui

    Typhoon Haikui was formed just south of the Philippine sea on August 1st, 2012 and ended August 11th. In its wake was the Philippines, Japan and Mainland ChINa. Here is a map plotting it’s path:

    • Long story short… people died or went missing. Many homes were destroyed or damaged. Rescue operations were launched.
    • The storms also affect INdo-china and INdia

    http://ens-newswire.com/2012/08/13/asian-storms-leave-hundreds-dead-millions-displaced/

    Aug 1 – Aug 11, 2012

  58. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/08/whats-with-the-recent-uptick-in-tropical-storm-activity/


    Okay, so Prophet Joshua also prophesied that the storms were sent by a spirit of the sea. Mine —>: Typhoons happen every year but this 3-at-the-same-time pattern was unusual. Making a reference in parable terms that may or may not be part of Joshua’s prophecy: The Sama-bajau of The Phillipines observe Islam, animism, practice ancestral spirit worship and seances.

    The Sama-bajau are also called “Sea Gypsies”. They traditionally worship Umboh Tuhan (also known as Umboh Dilaut)… who they call the god or lord OF THE SEA. Though they are 95% Muslim, they mix in their animistic beliefs, heritage and usually equate Allah with Umboh Dilaut.

    Around the same time frame of the typhoons, the sea gypsies practice a annual religious ceremony… which… in my humble opinion is nothing short of witchcraft. It is called pagkanduli (See the next and last post for the link).

    Their annual ritual involves ritual dancing to the god of the sea, his consort and to ancestral ghosts.

    Bear in mind that the storms started near the Philippines. Can satan have influence over the weather? Yes, as was the case with Job’s first set of children.

    • @ James,

      Nearly the whole world is worshipping demons. Certainly the ones inside Miley Cyrus, Lady Gaga, Madonna, Nicki Minaj, Peter H. Gilmour, Nuon Chea, Mengisto Haile Mariam, Efraín Ríos Montt, Mahinda Rajapaska, Rupert Murdoch, and many more.

      Luke 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? “I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

      What the above people do in openly sinning and sowing destruction. They are still doing it and still alive.

      So you mean that Hurricane Katrina was demonic or Judgment from God ? So why are they doing even worse today ? All is rebuild and more and bigger Mardi Gras is taking place. Inside the Skull and Bones Society they are going out to worship to Bohemian Grove, nearly all American Presidents. Yet still they sit in power and rule over the world.

      Here you come with all these “demons” folklore which you say they worship and it creates three Typhoons.

      So what do have to say about this then ? http://youtu.be/SdLIoGksd4w If you believe that the Typhoons were sent by God to destroy the Phillipines or whoever in New Orleans ? No Christians in the Phillipines ?

      • Hi Jesse. Trials and Tribulation comes upon all those who dwell on the earth. But as far as the 3 typhoons hitting Asia from July 25th – August 11th, 2012…. I didn’t say God in Heaven sent them. Joshua prophesied that the storms were sent from a spirit in the sea. I merely suggested that the Sama-Bajau peoples (Sea-Gypsies) call their god the “god of the sea or lord of the sea.” And their festival that they celebrate him with annually happens around the same time-frame of those typhoons.

        For the most part I believe storms are a natural phenomena and that people are simply ‘in the way’… but I believe there are some cases where they are influences supernaturally. Keep in mind that satan caused a whirlwind to kill Job’s children.

        Take care.

      • @ James,

        Storms, floods, and earthquakes are indeed a part of the present world. We sometimes call them “natural disasters,” but they are not a surprise to God. Yes, God certainly can control the weather and send deadly storms.

        Some have concluded that suffering occurs because it is beyond God’s control. This is incorrect. God has indeed established certain laws and principles that govern nature, but he remains sovereign over these laws. Psalm 148:8 declares that storms “do his bidding.” Concerning Jonah, it was the Lord who “sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea” (Jonah 1:4 KJV). Old Testament writers did not hesitate to attribute the forces of nature to God: “thy waterspouts … thy waves … thy billows” (Psalm 42:7 KJV). Today, God’s creation is too often depersonalized. He is in control, and has His reasons for all kinds of weather, both fair and stormy.

        Job’s family was killed by a great storm. It was not Satan, you blame everything upon Satan.

        Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

        Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

        One biblical example is the story of Job. Severe weather had killed Job’s sheep, his servants, and all ten of his children. As Job suffered further physical affliction, he asked, “Why is there evil in the world?” His friends were not of great help in answering the question. Finally, after much dialogue, God spoke directly to Job out of a whirlwind Job 38-41. The Lord made clear that His control over nature and His ultimate purposes are to be trusted. We simply cannot understand all the details of the divine plan. Job’s testimony demonstrates how trials should bring us closer to God instead of driving us away: “The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord” Job 1:21 KJV.

        Job 37:13 declares that God sometimes brings storms to punish people. This brings to mind the experiences of both Noah and Jonah; storms played a major part in their lives.

        Stop blaming everything upon Satan. Because God can do this if He wants to and He will do so. And I prove it with the above verses of the Word of God.

        Let me show you:

        BIBLICAL EXAMPLES. Scripture contains many examples of God controlling the weather and using it to direct people and nations…

        Genesis 6:5-9:19 (Earth destroyed by flood, people and animals killed)

        Exodus 9:23-29 (hail and fire from heaven on Egypt)

        Joshua 10:11 (hail on the Amorites, etc.)

        I Samuel 7:10 (thunder disperses the Philistines)

        Nahum 1:3 (judgment with whirlwind and drought)

        Leviticus 26:19-20 (rainless sky, parched earth)

        Deuteronomy 11:13-15 (rain as reward for obedience)

        Deuteronomy 28:24 (drought punishment)

        I Samuel 12:18 (thunder and rain to get people’s attention)

        II Samuel 21:1 (drought and famine)

        I Kings 8:35-36 (good weather reward)

        I Kings 16:30-18:45 (rain withheld and given)

        Hosea 13:15 (dry weather)

        Amos 4:7 (rain given and withheld from certain cities)

        Jonah 1:4,10-15 (man punished and redirected by sea storm)

        Zechariah 14:17 (rain withheld as judgment)

        Revelation 16:21 (hailstone punishment)

        God kills more people than the Devil does. Keep that in mind.

        Take care.

  59. Part II A. (Talking about Colorado Mass Shooting prophecy)

    TB Joshua Watch wrote: “@JAmes…I’m pleased you are willing to look at these. You will find irrefutable evidence that they deceptively edit prophecies. You may not have much time to do this right now, but my advice is you should prioritise this – if what we say is true, you are supporting a false prophet, not a good position to be in! To save you time and help you out, here are some links:

    https://tbjoshuawatch.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/proof-that-tb-joshua-did-not-predict-the-colorado-shooting/


    James writes: Good Evening (from the USA) TB Joshua Watch. I apologize that I didn’t put part I on my last reply, regarding the Prophecy about the Typhoons in Asia… but that’s what it is and I edit that now. I appreciate you bringing forth the links so that I don’t have to chase after them.

    So obviously this is Part II and I’m addressing your 2nd link. I just want to reiterate that I am not a member of SCOAN (even though I wouldn’t feel any shame in this) and I am just some ordinary, random Christian person on the internet wh happened to come across your blog while surfing the web (old term, I know).

    Right. On June 10th, 2012 Brother Joshua gave a prophecy that America should pray because he sees a military barracks and a man with a gun who shoots a gathering of people. On July 20th, 2012 the prophecy had been fulfilled. Personally I think that it could have been avoided as the Prophet had said if (here in America) we were paying close attention to the man of God and seriously took heed to the warning… just like Nineveh took heed to Prophet Jonah’s warnings.

    • Part II B. (Colorado Mass Shooting)

      Okay, so the Prophet prophesied about seeing a military barracks:

      The shooting happened in Aurora, Co, USA. Aurora is a town with a heavy military presence due to it’s past, present and current homeland defense strategy.

      From a military perspective, a garrison would probably be a better term to describe Aurora. In the past Aurora was well-known for its Army hospital (1918-1999 now converted into a famous medical complex), Lowry Army Air Base (Closed down in 1994 I think)… East of Lowry was Naval Air Station Denver (in Aurora) from 1947-1960 but is now called Buckley Air Force Base.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_Air_Force_Base

    • Part II C.

      The Prophet mentioned that “a lot of people will be killed before he get arrested.”

      CNN: “Twelve people are killed and 58 are wounded.

      (James Eagan) Holmes surrenders to police outside the theater within seven minutes of the first 911 calls, according to Aurora Police Chief Daniel Oates.”


      Joshua also prophesied, “A man will just come… is he in airforce? or Navy man? or a military man? or police? I DON’T KNOW…”

      Why did Prophet Joshua say that? Because the shooter was wearing “paramilitary gear” from head to foot. And also had on a gas mask.

      CNN: “The gunman is ‘dressed head-to-toe in protective gear’- a ballistic helmet, protective gear for his legs, throat and groin, black gloves and a gas mask… …Police say he used an AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and at least one of two .40-caliber handguns police recovered at the scene.”

      http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/us/colorado-theater-shooting-fast-facts/

    • Part II D.

      Prophet prophesied about the shooter we now know as James Eagan Holmes, “Is he mental?”

      “James Eagan Holmes with dyed red or orange hair who told police he was The Joker…”

      • @ James,

        So dying your hair equals being mental ?

        This lies much deeper than you even can realize. Whenever a major movie is released with a deeper layer of issues and even spiritual layers in it, then thing such as this are happening. Nothing to do with being mental. It has to do with whole different matter. And it is not the Devil that does it. It is in the inside world of Hollywood. The world that TB Joshua said about that we need them few years ago. For entertainment. Really ? A man of God that promotes Hollywood for entertainment. Rather bizarre. I was wondering to whom he was talking to. There are many murderers brainwashed with MK Ultra Mind Control. Do some research about that.

    • Part II E.

      Prophet TB Joshua delivered the message (or prophecy) correctly. Thank you Lord for sending warnings through your servants.

      • @ James,

        He delivered inside information which he was told by special high level humans in society who were going to do this in the future. Nothing to do with God or prophecy.

  60. @James

    RE: Philippines tragedy prophecy

    Some people might actually believe this propaganda of yours but some of us take seriously Christ’s warnings, against deceivers like yourself & TBJ. You really need to slow down, because in your haste you butchered some facts & presented a cup filled to the brim with cocktail of errors; and in the process helping a false prophet tighten his grip of deception on some already deceived souls out there. You think you have addressed the Philippines disaster issue but you haven’t. Here is what happened:

    1). June 24, 2012 – he gives a so-called prophecy about an imminent flood in Asia country
    2). January 2013 [7 months later] – there’s a flood in Indonesia & he claims he predicted it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7JhNlX-bc
    3). November 2013 [18 months later} – there’s typhoon in the Philippines & he claims he predicted it :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoJcrqw2frM

    Let’s unpack this slowly…


    1). June 24, 2012
    TBJ gives a vague prophecy about a storm that is about happen in an Asian country. There are important details in the prophecy that you either mistakenly missed in your haste or deliberately ignored to spin this in TBJ’s favor.
    TBJ was very very clear he was seeing ONE COUNTRY! ONE CITY! ONE STORM!
    These are his own words:
    “There will be a very serious rain”
    “I’m seeing a big rain”
    “This will happen in an Asian country.”
    “I’m seeing a very big flood & it will carry lot of houses…”
    “I want to trace the country.”
    “it will disturb this city
    “I am seeing a country, IN
    “Pray for the Nation, this Nation that will face this storm that will take part of the city
    “so the Lord should rescue this country

    There is nothing here that suggests that there will be 3 typhoons that will disturb several countries or cities. He is clear that it will be ONE COUNTRY! ONE CITY! ONE STORM!


    2). January 2013 [7 months after the prophecy]
    There was a heavy flood in Indonesia; Emmanuel TV [official TBJ’s mouth piece] released a video claiming TBJ foretold it.
    Emmanuel TV declared that this disaster was the fulfillment of the prophecy. They stated:

    “…prophet TB Joshua delivered a prophetic message regarding a serious flood…which he saw was about to happen in an Asian country starting with the letters IN.”

    “In confirmation of prophet TB Joshua’s prophetic revelation, on January 16, 2013, a very serious flood occurred in the Asian country, Indonesia, in the capital city, Jakarta.”

    So what makes you think China & India were part of the prophecy, when Emmanuel TV [official TBJ’s mouth piece] stated on record that Indonesia was The Country of the prophecy in question? Indonesia was not even mentioned in the disasters you cited. So you are contradicting the very same guy [& the lies] you are trying to defend.

    This flooding was caused by days of seasonal heavy rain in Indonesia. There was no mention of any Typhoon whatsoever & it was local flood in Indonesia due to heavy seasonal rain. Those other countries you mentioned were not affected by this!

    Just slow down & watch carefully the Indonesian flood prophecy video:
    Here is the video again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7JhNlX-bc

    Additional reading:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21054769
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Jakarta_flood


    3). November 2013 [18 months after the prophecy]
    Typhoon Haiyan crashed into the Philippines, Emmanuel TV released that same video [edited] claiming TBJ foretold it.
    Here is the video again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoJcrqw2frM


    Something for you to think about:
    If you think those 3 typhoons you talked about are the actual fulfillment of TBJ’s prophecies, then you have to agree that he had no business claiming he predicted the Indonesia flood 7 months later & the Philippines’ Typhoon Haiyan 18 months later, right? Which proves TBJW’s point that TBJ was exploiting the Philippines disaster for his own gain. So if you your theory is true [which is not by the way], then that means he exploited the Indonesian flood also – even more indictment on your man TBJ, by you.

    • General, thanks for your reply. I did notice before that Emmanuel TV had mentioned the prophesy was fulfilled with another typhoon but I simply went by the words of his prophecy when he said that it would happen soon and sure enough… 30 days later those 3 typhoons came to fruition. Now whether those tragic July/August weather events were missed by them or not… I don’t know. To me, though it conflicts with Emmanuel TV’s views I would assert that the prophecy was more in line with the July/Aug typhoons… simply my opinion.

      Have a good day or evening.

      • @James

        But I must still point out that your opinion is still out by miles [literally], his prophecy was not at all in line with those 3 storms! You are in gross error here! Go study that so-called prophecy again. There is nothing in it that suggests that there will be several typhoons that will disturb several countries or several cities. He was clear that it will be ONE COUNTRY! ONE CITY! ONE STORM! Perhaps that is why TBJ didn’t use this video to claim that he foretold those 3 storms & it’s mischievous of you to try to convince us that he foretold those. You are stooping even lower than TBJ here. TBJ has said himself that “a genuine servant of God will speak [prophecy] in the name of the Lord accurately“. So “several storms“, disturbing “several countries or several cities“, surely he would have & should have been accurate about that if the pictures in his visions are as clear as watching Emmanuel TV & if he is as good as you certainly portrayed him to be thus far. So no again, the 3 storms are not at all in line with his prophecy! Emmanuel TV’s assertions that it was Indonesia has less errors than your assertion. Again, it wasn’t a typhoon that “fulfilled” the Indonesia flood prophecy, it was days of heavy seasonal rain.

        Like I said before according to your [dodgy] assertion then you have to admit that they lied & exploited both the Indonesia flood & Philippines’ typhoon Haiyan more than a year later, therefore, meaning Emmanuel TV cannot be trusted. This cannot & should not be condoned.

  61. Part III A. (Seeing Double)

    TB Joshua Watch wrote: “@JAmes…I’m pleased you are willing to look at these. You will find irrefutable evidence that they deceptively edit prophecies. You may not have much time to do this right now, but my advice is you should prioritise this – if what we say is true, you are supporting a false prophet, not a good position to be in! To save you time and help you out, here are some links:”

    https://tbjoshuawatch.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/the-tricks-behind-tb-joshuas-prophecies-revealed/


    James writes: Good Evening Brothers. TBW I’m ready to reply to the 3rd link you provided. General, I saw that you replied to me about the 3 hurricanes…. I don’t believe that I have written to you before so pleased to meet you. I pretty much skimmed the surface of what you wrote and Lord willing will respond as soon as I am able. As you can see, TBW has got me looking into a few things. Again, I apologize that it takes me so long to respond as I have some other matters to attend to…

    TBW I looked into your link and saw the same picture of Prophet Joshua (from the March 13th, 2011 video) predicting the May 7th, 2011 crash and the same picture (from the same March 13th, 2011 video) that was shown in May 2012 which is also supposed to have predicted the May 9th, 2012 crash. But how can this be?

    Firstly, you guys are absolutely correct that “part of” the same video from Mar 13th, 2011 is used on both aircraft crash accounts. I say “part of” the same video because (and I think it was a simple oversight on your part) you excluded video which I will show shortly. As far as the same prophecy being used on two occasions… —> biblical. I’ll explain that shortly as well and whoever can receive it will receive it and whoever won’t, simply won’t. I pray the Lord opens the eyes of our understanding so that we may behold wonderful things in His Word.

  62. Part III B. (Seeing Double)

    As far as the March 13, 2011 video in question… it was a prophecy that was continued from a prior Sunday in 2011… perhaps Mar 6, 2011 or a Sunday in Feb 2011. Here is the whole video:

    Notice the “red shirt” that Joshua was wearing in the original prophecy on the prior Sunday? Then the next video (the one you in your clip) shows the subsequent Sunday on March 13th, 2011. Perhaps it was a group oversight to exclude the original prophecy…perhaps it was a simple edit to lead others down a rabbit hole… I don’t know. I think it is important because you appear to be doing the thing (editing) that you are accusing Emmanuel TV of doing… in order to make your point.

    Something worth noting imho… at first Joshua mentioned both India and Indonesia because he did not want to name the exact country but out of urgency just decided to come out with it and confess a warning to Indonesia. That it would be them and they should check the engine.

    Perhaps they didn’t take the message seriously or perhaps they didn’t get the message. Obviously the rest of the video shows the fulfillment of that aircraft disaster that happened on “Saturday”, May 7th, 2011 in which 25 souls on board perished.

  63. Part III C. (To the Left)

    In reference to the video in my last post (Part III B.)… in the very first video where Joshua is wearing a “red shirt”. He states that he sees the plane going to the left before it crashed. In the following link, you can see a final analysis of what happened to the Indonesian aircraft on May 7th, 2011. Here are some excerpts:

    “…the crew decided to discontinue the approach and climbed, TURNING TO THE LEFT…”

    “…The aircraft ROLLED TO THE LEFT with a bank angle of 11° and continuously increased up to 38°. The rate of descend increased significantly up to about 3000 feet per minute and the airplane FINALLY IMPACTED into the shallow sea.”

    http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20110507-0

  64. Part III D. (Double Take)

    The following video relates to the “Wednesday” May 9th, 2012 crash in Indonesia. I’m not sure what the date is for the first video being shown (in which he wears a type of striped shirt). But right afterwards, there goes the March 13th, 2011 video. What gives and why did they recycle the video? Didn’t that video already predict the “Saturday” May 7th, 2011 Indonesian crash and they are using the same video to predict the one in 2012? The answer is Yes and Yes to both. More on that in a little bit.

    Here is the video for the 2012 Indonesian crash:

  65. Part III F. (Dual Fulfillment)

    Dual Fulfillment is a prophetical term that not many Christians know about. I even didn’t know it as that but I have known for some time what it was by another term which is called a “double prophecy”. A dual fulfillment or dual prophecy is when a prophet speaks about one instance… it gets fulfilled and then another instance gets fulfilled later on the same single prophecy.

    Some biblical examples of a double prophecy is when Ezekiel prophesied about the King of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:1-19)… that personal prophecy came true but it also speaks about satan before he became satan… and his destruction. Another dual prophecy moment is when Isaiah had to prophesy against the King of Babylon but was also a reference to satan (Isaiah 14:12-17)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_fulfillment

    The March 13th, 2011 video was an example of a dual prophecy. It was a short term and a long term prophecy.

    • I’m sorry, that’s not true. Our Father is not a God of confusion. Both those prophecies (King of Tyre/Satan, King of Babylon/Satan) refer to a physical/human outworking and a spiritual outworking of the prophecy. And technically, if the King of Tyre ‘prophecy’ really did refer to Satan as well as the human king (there is some argument over this which we don’t need to get into) then that ‘outworking’ (Satan’s fall) is not prophecy at all – it is historical recitation. The event already happened many many years before and Ezekiel is receiving the information about it from the Lord.

      In the same way that Jesus himself said “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven”, those 2 prophecies can be said to have had 2 outworkings – one on earth and one in the ‘heavens'” (Matthew 18:18).

      Nowhere in the Bible are there prophecies which have 2 ‘earthly’ outworkings. And in any case, if TB Joshua is a prophet, he should know what he is prophesying. He cannot have his cake and eat it – if a prophecy seems to fit an event, fine, produce your prophecy – UNEDITED – and let it stand for itself.

      What you cannot do is edit together bits of ‘prophecies’ given on different days, at different times, and claim they present a whole picture, especially when key parts of the prophecies are edited out, no doubt because they are not fulfilled in the event that happens.

      And worse, to use part of prophecies that you have already claimed to have been fulfilled…? Seriously, you couldn’t make this up.

      This deception alone marks him as a false prophet, even without the myriad other evidence which you would see if you weren’t so desperate to defend him.

      • D. Haille wrote: “I’m sorry, that’s not true. Our Father is not a God of confusion. Both those prophecies (King of Tyre/Satan, King of Babylon/Satan) refer to a physical/human outworking and a spiritual outworking of the prophecy. And technically, if the King of Tyre ‘prophecy’ really did refer to Satan as well as the human king (there is some argument over this which we don’t need to get into) then that ‘outworking’ (Satan’s fall) is not prophecy at all – it is historical recitation. The event already happened many many years before and Ezekiel is receiving the information about it from the Lord.”

        James writes: Hi D. Haille… just to make sure I understand you correctly please expound on what you mean by “physical/human” outworking? Thanks.

        As far as satan downfall being a being a historical recitation that is partly true what you said as satan did fall from heaven like lightning. But remember that the prophecy against satan is not yet completely fulfilled because he has not entered the abyss (Isaiah 14:15) nor is he set on fire yet (Ezekiel 28:18) as we know through the prophecy in Revelation that he will be tormented in the lake of fire forever and ever. satan and his legions were cast down to earth but not all of them were cast “into” the abyss.

        For the time being satan walks about freely on the earth like as a roaring lion… and can even present himself before the Lord in heaven as he did in Job… and make requests… “satan hath desired to sift you as wheat” (The Lord said to Peter). Even the demons know that their time was not yet, “Have you come to torment us BEFORE THE TIME?” (The demons said to Jesus).

        So in other words the prophecies of Isaiah and Ezekiel about the the Kings of Babylon and Tyre, respectively, are each dual prophecies about the men and satan’s demise.

      • D. Haille wrote: “Nowhere in the Bible are there prophecies which have 2 ‘earthly’ outworkings. And in any case, if TB Joshua is a prophet, he should know what he is prophesying. He cannot have his cake and eat it – if a prophecy seems to fit an event, fine, produce your prophecy – UNEDITED – and let it stand for itself.”

        James writes: I’m not sure what you mean by 2 earthly outworkings but I’ll take a stab at it. Like our Brother Paul who by Divine inspiration wrote quite a bit of the New Testament. But they were actually letters to various churches or elders “in that day”. Though there were prophecies contained therein along with instructions for those churches I don’t think he realized that his letters would be for us too, 2000 years later, because he also didn’t know the day or time of Jesus’ return. I mean, The Holy Spirit obviously knew, of course. But the attitude of the early church was that Jesus was coming back in their lifetimes… figuratively speaking, they had their bags packed. That is why Paul had to comfort them when people died and Jesus hadn’t yet returned.

        How about the prophecy over Ishmael and Isaac? The bondwoman’s son (the law) and the free (grace)? Or the prophesy over Jacob and Esau before they were even born about the older serving the younger? Jacob (Take it by force/Loved) and Esau (Despised his birthright/Hated)?

        Well?

      • D. Haille wrote: “What you cannot do is edit together bits of ‘prophecies’ given on different days, at different times, and claim they present a whole picture, especially when key parts of the prophecies are edited out, no doubt because they are not fulfilled in the event that happens.

        And worse, to use part of prophecies that you have already claimed to have been fulfilled…? Seriously, you couldn’t make this up.

        This deception alone marks him as a false prophet, even without the myriad other evidence which you would see if you weren’t so desperate to defend him.”

        James writes: I’ve explained dual-prophecy and I understand if you have a disagreement with that. As far as prophecies even Brother Paul had said that we know “in part” and we prophesy “in part” (1 Corinthians 13:9). D. Haille, Paul also goes on to say in verse 11 “When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child.” Sometimes little children, out of excitement and just being… well… little children take their toys and try to put the square peg in the round hole. But eventually they will figure it out. He definitely does have that particular gift of prophesy but nobody can see the whole picture. Even if they did they may not understand everything that is going on.

        What if some of the prophets in the Old Testament had seen the future of a jet aircraft shooting missiles? How do you think they would they have described it?

    • @ James,

      Oh so dual fulfilment prophecy has to be done by editing two different prophecies ? I see. Why not take from of the pc where all the “prophecies” are stored and make it a multiple fulfilment prophecy and start writing a new article online in Wikipedia about it. Then come online and tell us see this is a multiple prophecy fulfilment in defense of your false private prophet. Who was incapable tonprophecy one line about me when I was there, nor about my wife who he claimed was married and married again and telling her that she was comparing something to something. And that we are and living as two men. Bwahahahahaha. And what can you do with that ? Absolutely nothing. It has no use. And that from your world private false prophet that rather condones Muslims to go to hell and wears a Muslim authority mantle in his own church. Now they say that he is the man to sort out Boko Haram. I have already requested as been claimed that the “anointed water is bullet proof and fire proof” why does he not run into Abubakar Shekau with in one hand a “anointed water” bottle and in his other hand a “more of You, less of me” incantation faith bracelet and deliver Abubakar Shekau and his followres on national TV with CNN, Time Magazine recording the matters for the entire workd to see ? But we will never see this happening because it is too good to be true of authenticity. A world prophet such as Elijah took out 400 raging, self cutting Baal priests in less than 24 hours. Why if you claim that TB Joshua has the power of God cannot do this in front of us outside there in North Nigeria ?

      • Jesse: “@ James,

        Oh so dual fulfilment prophecy has to be done by editing two different prophecies ? I see. Why not take from of the pc where all the “prophecies” are stored and make it a multiple fulfilment prophecy and start writing a new article online in Wikipedia about it. Then come online and tell us see this is a multiple prophecy fulfilment in defense of your false private prophet. Who was incapable tonprophecy one line about me when I was there, nor about my wife who he claimed was married and married again and telling her that she was comparing something to something. And that we are and living as two men. Bwahahahahaha.”

        James writes: I’m sorry that the whole experience has hurt you and your wife. Perhaps the person prophesying over your wife was referring to a spiritual husband? I’m new to that particular topic (spiritual spouse) myself but I’ve heard it heard about it passing. Going to look into it perhaps later.

      • Jesse wrote: ” And what can you do with that ? Absolutely nothing. It has no use. And that from your world private false prophet that rather condones Muslims to go to hell and wears a Muslim authority mantle in his own church. Now they say that he is the man to sort out Boko Haram. I have already requested as been claimed that the “anointed water is bullet proof and fire proof” why does he not run into Abubakar Shekau with in one hand a “anointed water” bottle and in his other hand a “more of You, less of me” incantation faith bracelet and deliver Abubakar Shekau and his followres on national TV with CNN, Time Magazine recording the matters for the entire work to see ?”

        James writes: I wasn’t aware of this until about a year or two ago… but did you know that the Christians in the middle east who believe and trust in Jesus Christ call God Allah? Allah simply means, “God or The God” in their own language… just like Dios means God in Spanish…so forth and so on in other languages. Anyways, I say that because I thought it was interesting and it helped me to sort out preconceived notions about Muslims. I came to the understanding that there is “political Islam” and other different factions of Islam… and just people who aren’t pious but are just cultured in that Islamic environment. Just like there are people who say they are Christians who grew up in a majority Christian nation or household and say they are Christians, but not really. Muslims believe that the Son of Mary was a great prophet but they don’t believe he was the last prophet. Interestingly, they believe Isa… that is Jesus (pbuh) is in heaven with Allah while Mohammed (pbuh) is still buried in Medina. Who knows, if they hear more about Christi perhaps they will develop more faith in Christ? Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

        As far as your comments on the Anointing Water and the like… I’m reminded of the scriptures that talks about scoffers. The reason why Israel had fallen in the wilderness was because their hearts became hard… that is, because they had the Word preached to them but it wasn’t being mixed with faith (Hebrews 4:1-3/Hebrews 12:15)…now, they were all still kinfolk… but what could’ve taken them 40 days to enter the Promise land took them 40 years because of the hardness and bitterness of their hearts. And they didn’t even enter into it… it was Joshua, Caleb and the congregation’s children that entered into the Promise land. I hope that we all can learn from their example and not be like one of them.

        Regarding your CNN comment… I think it was one of TB Joshua’s enemies that forced him to start Emmanuel TV which gave him a world-wide audience. It seems like the more persecutions toward SCOAN the greater the Anointing… kind of like, putting pressure on and olive in order to get it’s oil.

      • @ James,

        “James writes: I’m sorry that the whole experience has hurt you and your wife. Perhaps the person prophesying over your wife was referring to a spiritual husband? I’m new to that particular topic (spiritual spouse) myself but I’ve heard it heard about it passing. Going to look into it perhaps later.”

        Why speculate what is not so ? You heard about it, but you don’t know about Incubus or Succubus you say. FYI my wife has told me, she never had sex in a dream or in spiritual way otherwise. I asked her so many times. So why try to put it as you think it is ? You think prolly that every woman is the same and has a Jezebel demon or a Incubus or a Succubus following them 24/7.

        African churches have all kinds of imaginary things that you don’t see anywhere else.

        African churches and churchgoers don’t want to take responsibility for the things they choose to do. They always want to blame another, a demon, a spirit, or a witch, witch doctor, some animal, bird and the like for their own choices and failures. Superstition is rife in Africa. They even believe something as stupid to put a broom laying over the threshold makes them sick. When you are uneducated, ignorant, people believe anything what will be said by their guru and go Oooooh, Aaahhhh, Eeeehhh. Guru’s are real good with inculcation. The more they listen and take it for Gospel, the more they do Oooooh, Aaahhhh, Eeeeeh. While it is blatantly lies in disguise. Nigerians are super liars. Not all of them. But a lot of them. Everybody lies, but in Africa they can make their lies as tall as buildings, even so that they collapse and come up with laser canons to mow them down. Bwahahahahaha.

        I told once a group of people at school I had a pink elephant in my chicken pen at age 10. Boy, what a lot of people did visit my fence the next couple of days who were thronging to come to see it. And the more drama you put on it, the more they believe you.

  66. Part III G (continued)

    Here is a picture of the 2012 plane:

    What TB Joshua prophecied when he was wearing black and white shirt:

    You said:

    That Joshua was wrong about the color on the 2011 plane and correct about the color on the 2012 plane.
    That Joshua was correct on both 2011/2012 accounts that the planes was arriving into Indonesia.
    That Joshua was wrong about the day the plane was crashing. Mine: Actually he was right because in a dual prophecy both occurrences may be fraternal in nature but they are attached to the same prophecy.
    That Joshua was correct that the plane will sink into the sea… 2011 but that he was wrong with 2012 because it crashed into a mountain. Mine: Same prophecy/can be fraternal in nature with a dual prophecy.

    “…My people ARE DESTROYED for lack of knowledge…” Hosea 4:6

    • I agree with your last quote here, but sadly it applies to you. And it is not just knowledge that we need, it is understanding.

  67. Repost Part III G. (Double Trouble)

    Okay. So back to your website with the understanding of the prophetical use of Dual Fulfillment (Dual prophecy) using the March 13th, 2011 video prophesying on both Indonesian, aircraft disaster events.

    What TB Joshua prophecied when he was wearing black and white shirt:

    You said:

    That his Indonesian prophecy were correct on “both” 2011/2012 accounts.
    That the 2011 prophecy about the plane’s size was wrong and that the 2012 size was right because Joshua said that it would be a big plane.

    Mine: The truth is the 2011 plane that crashed is 25 meters long and the 2012 plane is 29 meters long. Here is a picture of the 2011 plane:

    Apologize for the “double post”.

    🙂

    • @James
      “A big plane that will carry passengers” implies a big passenger plane – 29 metres long is not big! It’s not tiny either, but certainly not big – big passenger planes go to 70+ metres. Any way, I’m happy to agree to disagree on that point because it’s a minor one. What about his claim that God showed him it so clearly “as clear as watching Emmanuel TV” and he describes the plane sinking into the ocean, but one of the crashes that he edited this prophecy to fit was into the side of a mountain. Either he’s changing the vision God gave him, or he’s lying about the vision in the first place.

  68. Part IV

    TB Joshua Watch wrote:

    TB Joshua Watch wrote: “@JAmes…I’m pleased you are willing to look at these. You will find irrefutable evidence that they deceptively edit prophecies. You may not have much time to do this right now, but my advice is you should prioritise this – if what we say is true, you are supporting a false prophet, not a good position to be in! To save you time and help you out, here are some links:”

    https://tbjoshuawatch.wordpress.com/2014/03/18/tb-joshuas-evolving-mh370-prophecy/

    I spoke at length about this particular prophecy on your site 2 blogs ago from this one. The one in which you say 2014 the year TB Joshua lost credibility.

    Again briefly, March 15th, 2014 he prophesied (paraphrasing) that the investigation would be concluded soon. On March 25th the Malaysian authorities concluded that the plane met its end in the Indian Ocean. After this date many conspiracy theories have formed. What we know on March 25th and before is that the plane was hijacked (most likely suicide by pilot) and that it ended in the Indian Ocean.

    Also you noted that on March 14th Joshua would have known about the hijacking through new reports but made it known on March 15th (Saturday). You can’t conclusively say that TB Joshua has gotten that from news reports when he said “strange people” were on the aircraft. From what I can tell he preaches on Emmanuel TV on Saturdays and Sundays. The 14th was a Friday and the 10th thru the 13th he wasn’t on Emmanuel TV (I could be wrong about that). On the 9th he confronted a Boko Haram member who’s plot was foiled so I’m sure there were other pending matters on that front for the rest of the week. So with all that going on it wouldn’t be fair to conclude that he got his prediction of the hijacking from news reports when he wasn’t due to preach. If anything, we can also say that this prophecy independently confirmed the hijacking.

    • @James
      There is no confirmation that the plane crashed in the indian ocean, there is no confirmation that the plane was hijacked. Pilot suicide seems a likely scenario, but that doesn’t really match with TB Joshua’s “strange people onboard”, “battle in the air” (those quotes might not be 100% word for word).

      Also, these are his exact words about it coming to an end:
      “The whole thing is coming to an end, in the sense they will discover the plane, they will discover the particles, any moment from now. This coming week we are not going to talk about it again. The families will know their fate.

      Has the plane been found?
      Have particles been found?
      Do the families have closure?
      Are we still talking about this?

      How do you defend this?

      • TB Joshua wrote: “@James
        There is no confirmation that the plane crashed in the Indian ocean…”

        James writes: Hey TBW, actually there is. Here is what the Aviation Safety Network said:

        “On 24 March 2014 further analysis of the Inmarsat satellite data indicated that MH370 flew south and ended its flight in the southern part of the Indian Ocean.”

        http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20140308-0

        Interestingly on March 15th, 2014 and before, Prophet Joshua has been saying that the plane had crashed into the Indian Ocean and the particles had settled deep inside of it. During that timeframe the nations who were involved search parties had been looking in the South China Sea. It wasn’t until March 24th, 2014 that they realized that the plane had been over the Indian Ocean. On March 25th the Malaysians authorities confirmed that it had crashed in the Indian ocean.

        The prophecy was correct.

      • @James, we’ve been through this before, you’re not reading my responses.

        Interestingly on March 15th, 2014 and before, Prophet Joshua has been saying that the plane had crashed into the Indian Ocean and the particles had settled deep inside of it. During that timeframe the nations who were involved search parties had been looking in the South China Sea. It wasn’t until March 24th, 2014 that they realized that the plane had been over the Indian Ocean. On March 25th the Malaysians authorities confirmed that it had crashed in the Indian ocean.

        You’ve got your timeline confused there: Here’s a headline from 13th March:
        “Missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 search area widened to Indian Ocean”.

        As for the crash site being confirmed as the Indian ocean, even that is in doubt now: Emirates CEO Sir Tim Clark said in October “Our experience tells us that in water incidents, where the aircraft has gone down, there is always something. We have not seen a single thing that suggests categorically that this aircraft is where they say it is, apart from this so-called electronic satellite ‘handshake,’ which I question as well”, and even this week the Chinese have been protesting against Malaysia’s premature and evidence-less conclusion http://skift.com/2015/01/31/chinese-mh370-relatives-demand-government-retract-death-confirmation/

        Whatever details you want to argue about, there are two clear things here:
        1. The plane has not been found, not even particles – TB Joshua said it would be.
        2. What happened to the plane is still a mystery, families still don’t have closure on what happened to their loved ones. TB Joshua said they would.

      • Correction on my last post… the Indian Ocean search for MH370 started on the 18th of March 2014. Again, the Prophet had indicated that the plane had crashed there beforehand.

      • TB Joshua Watch wrote: “…there is no confirmation that the plane was hijacked. Pilot suicide seems a likely scenario, but that doesn’t really match with TB Joshua’s “strange people onboard”, “battle in the air” (those quotes might not be 100% word for word).”

        James writes: Actually there were strange people on board. Pouria Nour Mohammadi and Reza Devalar who had fake passports. Initially, they were ruled out as suspects but only because of Malaysia’s embarrassment of being on the world stage in this type of situation and their ongoing lax security standards when it comes to people traveling with fake passports in that region.

        Here is what Pouria Nour Mohammadi, who was suppose to be traveling to Germany to meet his mother, wrote in Facebook:

        “Because of some problems I will deactivate my account. Friends, seriously, if I’ve done any of you a bad turn, forgive me…”

        …and then his account was deactivated.

        Reza was 10 years senior to Pouria. A friend who let them stay over that night knew Pouria but didn’t know Reza or how the two knew each other. The friend drove them to the airport the next day but when interviewed he had said that the two were acting suspicious on the phone the previous night… Reza had told him to be quiet (in his own house). After dropping them off he later tried to call but Pouria quickly answered and hung up.

        Captain Shah is still the chief suspect and I don’t believe his co-pilot had anything to do with the plot:

        Interesting article if you have the chance:

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/plot-by-islamic-jihadists-to-hijack-passenger-jet-investigated-in-connection-with-disappearance-of-malaysian-airliner

      • TB Joshua Watch wrote: “Also, these are his exact words about it coming to an end:

        “The whole thing is coming to an end, in the sense they will discover the plane, they will discover the particles, any moment from now. This coming week we are not going to talk about it again. The families will know their fate.”

        Has the plane been found?
        Have particles been found?
        Do the families have closure?
        Are we still talking about this?

        How do you defend this?

        James writes: I went and listened to the video again. Here is what he prophetically said:

        “…but it’s deep sea indeed.. but.. between this Indonesia and uh Indian Ocean. Why I say between? Because the particle had gone swimming (scattered) everywhere.

        It (the plane) enter and it was *seized by object down (under the) sea. If something drop inside the sea and it was seized by some object, it… it’s down. There’s no way the thing can come up of the sea UNTIL the thing becoming decay. When it become decay and becoming particles little, little body come on the, on the, on the, on the floor on the, on the sea but the whole thing is coming to an end.

        I say the whole thing has come to an end. Coming to an end in the sense that they will, they will discover the plane. They will discover the particle… they will discover everything … from now ANY moment from now… ANY moment from now.

        So this coming week we are not going to begin to talk about it again. … … rather the family concerning will know their fate.”

        Perhaps “seized by object” could possibly mean some underwater mountain or some other object that had soft, mucky sediment which absorbed the parts of the plane.

        TBW, I went back to see if I had missed anything because it wasn’t making any sense that the plane had not been found yet. Then I remembered, “Wait a second… this is a prophecy.” Joshua spoke prophetically last year about this plane crash. It happened. He revealed the location of the crash (which the searchers had finally caught up with). It also happened.

        Joshua had word of knowledge and went on to describe what had happened while the plane was in flight. He also described what happened when the plane entered into the sea…that it was seized by some object and that the plane will have to decay before it can release itself from the object.

        What did he mean when he said that the whole thing is coming to an end? He is speaking prophetically so we have to remember that God’s time is not our time. The prophecy declares that “they” (the searchers) “will” discover the plane, “they will” discover the particles and everything.

        What did he mean ANY moment from now? That is, at any given moment. In the prophecy he did not predict exactly when the plane or the particles would be discovered but be ready for it… because the rest of it can happen at any given moment. The family will eventually know what happened. God’s time is the best.

        What did he mean that they will not talk about it again? Now that I listen more closely to what he was saying he wasn’t saying that they (you and everybody else) will not talk about it again… because it will always be referred to. What I believe he meant was that he and they at SCOAN will not talk about it again because they are living by the prophecy in that it will be fulfilled.

        So I defend that by faith.

      • @James

        What did he mean ANY moment from now? That is, at any given moment. In the prophecy he did not predict exactly when the plane or the particles would be discovered but be ready for it… because the rest of it can happen at any given moment

        He was very clear what he meant, and he did predict when it would be discovered: “any moment from now, so this coming week we are not going to talk about it again, the family concerned will know their fate”.

        but it’s deep sea indeed.. but.. between this Indonesia and uh Indian Ocean.

        I’m glad you mentioned that, because “between Indonesia and Indian Ocean” is not the Indian Ocean, check a map! It’s also not a region that the evidence has ever pointed towards, or where the Malaysian government announced it had crashed.

        Joshua spoke prophetically last year about this plane crash. It happened.

        Have you watched the unedited prophecy? Because two important parts were edited out,
        1. The crash will happen just a few metres from the airport where it took off (3:11, repeats at 4:01)
        2. The cause of the crash will be obvious, it won’t be something where they don’t know what caused it (4:18)

        With those added details, how on earth can you claim that he predicted it with a straight face? This guy is a liar and a fraud, worst of all – a liar and a fraud who exploits human suffering for their own gain. If you can’t recognise that with all this evidence in front of you, I pity you – I would not want to be held to account by the almighty one day for defending this kind of nonsense.

  69. @ D. Haille…. you had mentioned early that there is no where in the Bible where two “earthly” outworkings (dual prophecy) are mentioned. Earlier, I didn’t get what you were saying concerning “outworkings” but I think that I figured it out.

    As far as a dual prophetic “earthly” fulfillment. So far I found 3 instances. Let me know if you want to hear about them because I didn’t see a response concerning my last post to you. Take care.

  70. TB Joshua Watch wrote: “You’ve got your timeline confused there: Here’s a headline from 13th March:”

    James writes: The news reports say that they increased the search area to the Indian Ocean on March 13th but technically what they did was send the USS Kidd to operate near where the Indian Ocean and the Andaman Sea meets. So technically, the USS Kidd was operating the search effort in the western part of the Strait of Malacca and Andaman Sea. Then they went from the Andaman Sea through the Strait of Malacca back to the South China Sea. So the Search effort at that time didn’t technically make it out into the Indian Ocean as much as some simply reported that as a popular reference:

    “Pentagon officials said that the destroyer USS Kidd was being moved to the western part of the strait of Malacca at the request of Malaysia and is heading towards an area where the Indian Ocean and the Andaman Sea meet. The ship has helicopters aboard that can scour the area.

    The U.S. action came hours after Malaysian officials said they had EXTENDED THEIR SEARCH INTO THE ANDAMAN SEA and had requested help from India in the search for the missing plane and its 239 passengers.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-officials-malaysia-airline-crashed-indian-ocean/story?id=22894802

    • @ James,

      That still has not found the plane. With all that writing that you did.

      He said, it would be found from 15th of March 2014 onward any moment from now. Also there were would be a wing and there would be debris. No debris has been found. No wing has been found either.

      Any moment from now means:

      A brief, indefinite interval of time. How many months now James ? Nearly 11 months now. That is not a brief interval of time.

      2.
      a. A specific point in time, especially the present time: eg. He is not here at the moment.
      b. A point in time that is gratifying or noteworthy.
      c. An occasion affording an opportunity: viewed the blunder as a teachable moment.

      A particular period of importance, influence, or significance in a series of events or developments: a great moment in history; waiting for her big moment.
      Outstanding significance or value; importance: a discovery of great moment.
      A brief period of time that is characterized by a quality, such as excellence, suitability, or distinction: a lackluster performance that nevertheless had its moments.
      Philosophy
      a. An essential or constituent element, as of a complex idea.
      b. A phase or aspect of a logically developing process.
      Abbr. Meta Physics
      a. The product of a quantity, such as force or mass, and its perpendicular distance from a reference point.
      b. The tendency to cause rotation about a point or axis.

      “A moment” is an indeterminately short but significant period: I’ll be with you in a moment. Instant is a period of time almost too brief to detect; it implies haste: He hesitated for just an instant. Minute is often interchangeable with moment and second with instant: The alarm will ring any minute. I’ll be back in a second. Jiffy and flash are somewhat informal and usually combine with in a; in a jiffy means in a short space of time, while in a flash suggests the almost imperceptible duration of a flash of light: He went to the store but will be back in a jiffy. She finished the job in a flash. The moment is often used as a conjunction to say that something happens or is done at the same time as something else, or immediately after it.

      That is not happening. No matter what you bring in as evidence.

    • @ James,

      Here is another thing concerning the false private prophet TB Joshua.

      Why is it that all those “speshul” prophets can on a personal level prophesy “your bank account number”, “your address”, “what you have been eating”, “what you ate last year”, “what you will do in two days”, but when it comes to the so called “world prophecies”, they are incapable to tell us, Date in the form of Month, day, time and exact place within 10 square yards ? So something can be done about it. Then here you go with, thank you Lord for your prophet that warned us ahead of time.

      What you fail to see, that most of these prophecies have nothing to bring, even if they would not have been said, they still will happen without him saying it. That makes all these prophecies useless except for those that are want to see something “supernatural” into it and attribute it to God. In which his followers go like: Oooohhh, Aaaahhhh, Eeeeeh ! and then go like a brainless drone online and say all the same thing as someone under MK Ultra Mind control inculcated. TB Joshua is a man of God. He continually fails to prevent anything, even with all the so called prayers they do. Again and again. Day after day you see this in his country. And all they do is blame everything on the devil, while it are people without devils inside of them concocting these things. Everything is “devil” inside SCOAN. Blame the Devil for this and that. Even you do that. I just have taught you that even God can do certain things for a purpose what is canon fodder for Atheists to come out under their rocks and point at all the Christians as being idiots and fools to believe in the Man in the Sky. Because why would such God do such kind of things ? But then again, I can even know for sure, even if you would take the Devil out of this world, Mankind will still keep doing evil things in the world. Why ? Because they do not realize, nor do you know that evil is ingrained in mankind. How do I know ?

      I have taught this before in other posts which is neglected by anyone of you.

      When we look at the Greek word Sarx which is the human flesh. Which is not always evil but we see in Scripture the following explanation about it and even Paul is referring to it constantly how he struggles with it and it causes him to sin, but he is so happy that as wretched as he is, he can cast his problems upon Jesus who is the perfecter of his faith and that he is seeking in Christ his salvation.

      One more time: Sarx

      Sarx: flesh
      Original Word: σάρξ, σαρκός, ἡ
      Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
      Transliteration: sarx
      Phonetic Spelling: (sarx)
      Short Definition: flesh, body
      Definition: flesh, body, human nature, materiality; kindred.
      HELPS Word-studies
      4561 sárks properly, flesh (“carnal”), merely of human origin or empowerment.

      4561 /sárks (“flesh”) is not always evil in Scripture. Indeed, it is used positively in relation to sexual intercourse in marriage (Ephesians 5:31) – as well as for the sinless human body of Jesus (Jn 1:14; 1 Jn 4:2,3). Indeed, flesh (what is physical) is necessary for the body to live out the faith the Lord works in Galatians 2:20.

      4561 (sarks) is generally negative, referring to making decisions (actions) according to self, i.e. done apart from faith (independent from God’s inworking). Thus what is “of the flesh (carnal)” is by definition displeasing to the Lord, even things that seem “respectable!” In short, flesh generally relates to unaided human effort, i.e. decisions (actions) that originate from self or are empowered by self. This is carnal (“of the flesh”) and proceeds out of the untouched (unchanged) part of us, i.e. what is not transformed by God. the sensuous nature of man, “the animal nature” without any suggestion of depravity, the animal nature with cravings which incite to sin, the physical nature of man as subject to suffering, a living creature (because possessed of a body of flesh) whether man or beast, the flesh, denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God.

      As you can see here it has nothing to do with Satan. Nor demons, nor anything else. This is what is ingrained in each of us and where we fail to be accepted by the Father. Only through Jesus’s shedding of His Blood we are able to have access to God through Him.

      The charismatic witchcraft church is too much blaming everything on what the Devil is so to speak “doing”, and goes into throwing Scriptures that the Devil is like a roaring lion and an angel of light, etc etc. But most of our personal problems lie simply into our OWN CHOICES and not with what SCOAN has made to a pandemonium circus with fake deliverance at random “manifesting”. And sending out videos on Youtube to bring in the “sheaves” for a “slain in the spirit” experience and can go home again.

  71. @ James,

    James writes: “What did he mean when he said that the whole thing is coming to an end? He is speaking prophetically so we have to remember that God’s time is not our time. The prophecy declares that “they” (the searchers) “will” discover the plane, “they will” discover the particles and everything.

    What did he mean ANY moment from now? That is, at any given moment. In the prophecy he did not predict exactly when the plane or the particles would be discovered but be ready for it… because the rest of it can happen at any given moment. The family will eventually know what happened. God’s time is the best.

    What did he mean that they will not talk about it again? Now that I listen more closely to what he was saying he wasn’t saying that they (you and everybody else) will not talk about it again… because it will always be referred to. What I believe he meant was that he and they at SCOAN will not talk about it again because they are living by the prophecy in that it will be fulfilled.”

    So I defend that by faith.

    The plane will be found perhaps one day or not found. I just explained the “any moment from now”, which you want to stretch perpetually until you think it is “fulfilled” or want to be fulfilled El Cangri. It cannot happen at any given moment. You want it to happen at any given moment. They are not living by the prophecy that it will be fulfilled, they are living by the fact that they want to brush it under the carpet because it was a lying prophecy and an inside information matter. This is what some people were intended to do so. Since we have discovered that TB Joshua is a closet Muslim and that Shah is a muslim too. How coincidental it is that “only” TB Joshua “knew” about this. He is the false private prophet that is determined by others to be the mouthpiece for the disasters that are going to happen by man made intentions. This is not conspiracy, but evidence that this is so. America views its close ally, Qatar, as a terrorist funding trouble spot. Washington has gone so far as to call the small Persian Gulf state a permissive environment for financing terrorist groups.

    The United States says it does not have evidence that the government of Qatar is funding the terrorist group now known as the Islamic State (ISIS). But it does believe that private individuals in Qatar are helping to finance this group and others like it. And it thinks the Gulf state is not doing enough to stop this.

    Over the last two and a half years, Kuwait has emerged as a financing and organizational hub for charities and individuals supporting Syria’s myriad rebel groups. Today, there is evidence that Kuwaiti donors have backed rebels who have committed atrocities and who are either directly linked to al-Qa’ida or cooperate with its affiliated brigades on the ground.

    TB Joshua has links with Obama and his family. A recent article is telling us that. Or is it a lie ? There is extensive promotional information released on the internet. All not in the Name of God, but in the name of TB Joshua, to set the stage of the false private prophet as the Bible is telling us in Revelation. The false private prophet is telling things from those that are telling him what he has to say. This is even a try to deceive even the elect if that was possible. But the elect will have none of it. The false private prophet has been deliberately “chosen” for this task and is supported by the relevant donors to do this.

    The false private prophet has only been able to “show” us disasters and not first order prophecies as we know form the Bible. There is no direction for anyone in this. This is just like a newscast, tomorrow it will be rain or a snowy day. That is all what he does. There is no repentance whatsoever or direction for any country or even state. It is a sham and deliberate act to deceive and to entertain with sly peppered slogans and plagiarisms into it.

    If he was incapable to prophesy over my family and the rest of those that were in the group besides one, it was a girl with a golden shirt on which he took aside, (as usual a woman again) as we all know why this is. And actually this was a woman that was working in one of the branches of SCOAN coincidentally.

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