TB Joshua’s 2011 Boko Haram prophecy revisited

This week, Boko Haram burned alive 80 men, women and children. Does anyone remember what TB Joshua had to say about the crisis back in the 2011 Candlelit service? Watch the video below to find out.

This is one prophecy that we wish TB Joshua had got right. But unfortunately he couldn’t have been more mistaken. Since then, Boko Haram have only escalated their campaign of terror, and the death toll has been devastating. The horrific events of this week is just the latest example.

When TB Joshua’s prophecies coincide with reality, his followers claim that this is proof of his divine gift. SCOAN release cleverly edited videos bragging about their accuracy. However, they keep very quiet when his prophecies turn out to be completely wrong.

Is this TB Joshua’s worst prophecy ever?

Not surprisingly, TB Joshua is exploiting the horrific terrorist attack in Jakarta by claiming that he predicted it. Watch the video SCOAN have released to see the most vague prophecy imaginable (we’re deliberately not linking, but it’s easily found on the SCOAN Youtube channel). In the words of one youtube commenter:

Something is going to happen this Thursday or Friday. Don’t know what it is. But it could either happen in one of the 59 countries in Europe or perhaps in one of the 42 Asian countries. Honestly how stupid could the people at Emmanuel TV be to post this.

That’s right – he predicted “something” would happen next Thursday (the one just gone), either in Europe or Asia. He actually expanded the target further by saying “Thursday through Friday”, and in the original mentioned Saturday too, but that was snipped out (watch original here). As we’ve said many times before, these prophecy fulfillment videos are in fact self defeating. If his prophecies were useful for preventing disasters, then these disasters would never materialise, the fact that they do is a failure, not a success. Further more, the events are rarely even as he predicted, so they fail on both fronts – inaccurate and useless.

Horrifying: TB Joshua’s fans rejoice at #ParisAttacks

When TB Joshua’s facebook page announced that he predicted the Paris attacks, some of the comments that followed were horrifying. These people don’t seem to even register that many have died, all it is to them is a win for their “man of God”. Charlie-Dizo Sadiz (and 279 people who “like” his comment) is “glad to witness it come to pass

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Akporowho claims that TB Joshua said he will live to see all the prophecy God sent him be fulfilled. Wait a minute, I thought the purpose of these prophecies was to avert them from happening! When considered in this light, his “prophecies” become curses.

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Effanga Otu seems to be doing a happy dance while people lie bleeding in the streets of Paris.
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To be clear, there were plenty of expressions of sympathy mixed in with all this, but these comments say such a lot about the mentality of those who devote themselves to this false prophet.

Sickening – Nigerian prophet attempts to “profit” from #ParisAttacks

Yes, right on cue, TB Joshua (the man who “cured Ebola“, released the Boko Haram girls, found MH370 and predicted the Sinai plane crash (but thinks Egypt borders with Ukraine)) releases a video bragging that he predicted the attack in Paris last Friday. The video claims that on “Sunday the 19th January 2013” (sorry SCOAN, the 19th of Jan was a Saturday, not a Sunday, but never mind) he said “there are some strange people, they have some strategic places inside France, they should pray against suicide bomber, or an attack of any kind”. This was just a couple of months after a large Islamic terror cell was discovered in France, and not long after the school shooting in Toulouse. It was well known back then that Islamic terrorism was a concern to the country. Since 2012, there have actually been 8 terror attacks in France, it hardly takes a “prophet” to predict “an attack of any kind” with no location (besides France), time or date.

At the beginning of the full original video, TB Joshua says something quite interesting. He says “The purpose of prophecy is to review the [intrics?] and strategies of satan, and stop it by coming together to pray”. Scripturally, prophecy has nothing at all to do with seeing into the satanic realm, it is a gift meant for encouragement, exhortation and comfort of the church (1 Corinthians 14:3-4 ). However, even if we judge his prophecies by his definition, they completely fail. Was this attack averted? By their own admittance, no! In fact we’ve seen before that he’s not in the least bit interested in averting these events, all he cares about getting a “prophecy fulfillment”. For example, back in 2014 he predicted a bomb blast in Abuja he said “this coming Thursday and Friday, people should be in an attitude of prayer for the nation that whatever was going to happen on Friday, God would avert it”. Nothing happened that Thursday or Friday, but a few weeks later a bomb did go off, so they edited out the link to “this Thursday and Friday” and released a prophecy fulfillment video. If we assume prophecy is what TB Joshua says it is, this prophecy could be heralded a success because nothing happened the day he said it was (prayer averted the disaster), but instead they have to release an (edited) video to claim it was fulfilled, but if it happened – the whole thing was a failure!

His supporters will say that if more people took him seriously, more people would pray against these attacks and they might not happen. You might have a point if his track record was any better, but think about his many failures.

If you use violence and death as a means to promote yourself – you’re no better than the terrorists (you just let them to do the dirty work). The only thing a Christian pastor should be doing in response is devoting themselves to prayer and peacemaking.

TB Joshua predicted the Egypt plane crash (of course!)

Yesterday Jesse said in the comments “will we see a copied and pasted as well edited prophecy of the Russian Metrojet crash ? Time will tell. Again not been able to prevent it even though they prayed as a whole church God did not hear nor did do anything about it and with TB Joshua at the helm behind the scenes spraying wildly and frenzied with morning water, carrying prayer wristband around them. Nothing, nix, nada, niente.”

Just as predicted, TB Joshua’s plane crash fetish has got the better of him again. He seems completely unable to let a plane crash pass without claiming he predicted it.

What’s worse this time is it’s so blatantly wrong, even before looking at what they’ve edited out. In the prophecy fulfillment video below he predicts a plane crash in a neighbouring country to Ukraine/Russia. Yes, this plane was a Russian plane, but it crashed in Egypt! The prophecy was clearly talking about the region the crash would happen, not the region the plane would come from because it warned airlines not to fly over that region.

We could just leave it at this, but we thought we’d check the original to see what had been edited out. Sure enough, a whole section is contained in the original that was snipped out of the one just released. The section edited out says:
“When I woke up this morning I thought it had happened already, but thank God it hadn’t. It will be very, very imminent, it will happen any time.”

These words were spoken in August 2014, 14 months before the crash! Does that sound imminent to you? Clearly it didn’t work for SCOAN, because they edited it out.

Let’s review what we have – location: wrong, time: wrong, any details that could have identified the plane and prevented it from happening? No. Please followers of TB Joshua, help us out – how does this prophecy help the grieving families? How does it glorify God? In what way could it have prevented it from happening? It’s interesting how both ISIS and TB Joshua are attempting to capitalise on this tragedy, with ISIS claiming they did it and TB Joshua claiming he predicted it.

To those who are grieving the loss of their loved ones, please ignore this false prophet, he does not represent Christianity. We are so sorry for your loss.

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From the archives: Weighing up TB Joshua’s prophecies

In this post, guest author Claire looks at what the bible says about the nature and purpose of prophecy.
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Prophecy – TB Joshua style

Over the last three years, TB Joshua Watch has publicised aspects of TB Joshua’s ‘ministry’ that to some of us raise concerns. This sites has raised concerns about particular aspects of Mr Joshua and SCOAN – in particular ‘healings’ that have not been proven to be the case, the apparent cult like nature of SCOAN and prophesies that are not all that they appear.

Some of those commenting on this site accuse Mr Joshua of being a ‘false prophet’ whereas others fervently support him and claim him to be a ‘man of God’. In this article, I want to look at prophecy and what the bible actually says about it.

In many of the videos that this site has linked to, Mr Joshua is shown predicting some terrible event (a plane crash, a mass shooting) and asks the audience to pray. These videos are re-publicised after an event to show that he did indeed forecast the event (although often this site contends that these videos are edited or vague and therefore cannot be said truly to forecast anything).

So what does the bible say about prophecy – is Mr Joshua actually prophesying? Many commentators on this site on both sides of the argument point to Deuteronomy 18 v 22 – ‘If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.’ Presumably this is why SCOAN puts out videos after tragedies that appear to prophesy the event in question – a sort of ‘Here you are! It happened! It was true! It was from God!’

But while the Bible tells us to test prophecies to see if they are true, it also gives us some broad principles that we can use to understand whether what Mr Joshua does is prophesy even if it does come true (or could be perceived to be).

Firstly, the clearest instruction is in 1 Corinthinans 14 v3 ‘But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort’.  Do Mr Joshua’s ‘prophecies’ do this? Well the ones I have seen (and I am no expert) don’t. They seem to focus on a potential tragedy and ask people to pray, but I do not see how this causes strengthening, encouragement and comfort.

In John 16 Jesus talks to his disciples about the Holy Spirit: ‘But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.’(v13,14) A prophecy should tell you what is to come and should bring glory to Jesus.  Even if you believe that Mr Joshua does indeed prophesy the truth, I do not see how his predictions of tragic events bring glory to Jesus.

Deuteronomy 13 v1-3 encourages us that the prophecy should lead us to God:

If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer.

Now I am sure that there will be some people who fervently trust Mr Joshua and who will feel strongly that Mr Joshua is not encouraging them to follow other gods, but these people should accept that these verses do at least show that the fact that a prophecy comes true does not mean it comes from God. I dispute that Mr Joshua’s ‘prophecies’ come true, but those who believe they do cannot rely on this to ‘prove’ that these ‘prophecies’ are therefore from God. Deuteronomy 18 v22 tells us that if it doesn’t come true it can’t come from God, Deuteronomy 13 v1-4 tells us that that doesn’t mean the opposite is true; if a prophecy does come true, that alone doesn’t mean it comes from God. If it comes from God it should lead us to God. I’m not convinced that Mr Joshua’s ‘prophecies’ do this.

And surely if a prophecy comes from God, it should reflect the nature of God. God is love. The most famous description of love is in 1 Corinthians 13:

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

How do Mr Joshua’s prophecies match up to this? And how does Mr Joshua himself match up to this? The Kingwatch website makes the point that it is often easier to test the prophet rather than the prophecy:

‘Testing individual prophecies can often be difficult. What every Church needs is a prophet who has a proven track record, a person who is known for speaking the word of the Lord. It is easier to test prophets than individual prophecies. A prophet can be watched over time to see if his life is bearing fruit for the Lord (Matthew 7:15-20). Every church needs a proven prophet who can be trusted to bring a reliable word when one is required.’

Having said that, it is also important to make sure that we do not reject what may be a prophecy through a hardened heart. All prophecy must be tested and tested vigorously on a range of measures including:

  • Did it come true?
  • Did it provide strength, encouragement and comfort?
  • Did it bring glory to Jesus?
  • Does it lead us to God?
  • Was it brought in love?

It is up to all of us individually to test Mr Joshua’s ‘prophecies’ vigorously. Those who are sceptical must not test with a hardened heart, looking for evidence that they are not true; and those who believe should remember to test properly and not simply accept each ‘prophecy’ because it falls from the lips of Mr Joshua.

TB Joshua’s MH370 prophecy…. again!

boeing_777_9m-mro_mh370After the massive embarrassment of TB Joshua’s multiple incorrect MH370 prophecies, you would think SCOAN would keep quiet and try and forget the whole episode, but think again. After a swift cut in the edit room to remove the pesky “by the end of this week it will all be over, we won’t be talking about it anymore” part, they’ve repackaged the prophecy to claim this was fulfilled. Let’s revisit the multiple incorrect elements of his most disastrous prophecy ever. Here is a timeline of actual events alongside TB Joshua’s “predictions”, followed by an analysis of what he has actually contributed.

28th July, 2013 – TB Joshua predicts a plane carrying nearly 200 people will crash in “Asia” metres from the runway. It will be due to an obvious fault that could have been solved if the crew weren’t so impatient.

8th March, 2014 – Malaysian Airways flight MH370 disappears from the radar over the South China sea. Immediately an international rescue mission takes place, searching for a wreckage in the sea around the area contact was lost.

8th March, 2014 – TB Joshua releases an edited version of the 2013 prophecy, omitting the part where he claimed it would crash metres from the runway due to an obvious fault.

9th March, 2014TB Joshua Watch call for TB Joshua to reveal the location of the plane, since he claims so confidently that God had shown him this disaster happening 8 months ago.

9th March, 2014 – Approximately 8 hours after the TB Joshua Watch post, the TB Joshua Ministries official Facebook page reveal the location of the plane……. In the ocean! Particles will begin to appear on the surface any moment now, he claims.

TB Joshua "reveals the location" of the missing jet

TB Joshua “reveals the location” of the missing jet

14th March, 2014 – After several days of speculation that the plane may have flown on for hours, suggesting an element of foul play, the search switches to the Indian Ocean after unspecified “new information”. Although yet to be officially announced, the press are widely reporting that the flight had been hijacked.

The day before TB Joshua implies an element of foul play, the media were reporting it.

The day before TB Joshua implies an element of foul play, the media were reporting it.

15th March, 2014TB Joshua brags that he’s the only minister who’s been talking about this for the last year (even though what he mentioned a year ago was very different). He advises the rescuers to start searching between Indonesia and the Indian Ocean (the search moved to this area at least 24 hours prior to his “recommendation”). He says there are some strange people in the plane, who are not meant to be inside. There was a battle on the air, the plane turned back. The pilot confronted a situation he could not handle. The whole thing is coming to an end, they will discover the plane any moment from now. This coming week, we will not be talking about it again.

What we have seen so far is very illuminating. You can see clearly two deceptive techniques TB Joshua employs in order to make people think he’s a true prophet:

  1. Make things as ambiguous as possible. For example, the “strange people on board” and the pilot “confronting a situation he could not handle”. This seems like it implies highjacking, but also could be twisted (especially with a little editing) to fit the more likely hypothesis of pilot suicide. If he really knew what happened why not say “it was hijacked” or “it was pilot suicide”?
  2. Reveal details after they become public knowledge. He said it was in the ocean when it was only the ocean being searched, and since the ocean covers 70% of the earth’s surface, that doesn’t exactly help locate it. He suggested they search between Indonesia and the Indian Ocean a few days after the search had switched its focus to there. He implies foul play, after the press have widely reported it.

If he had told them to search between Indonesia and the Indian Ocean while they were still focusing on the south China sea, that would have been impressive.

If he had revealed that the plane had been deliberately diverted when they still thought it had suffered a catastrophic failure, that would have been impressive.

The overall message of the recent prediction video is that if the authorities had listened to him at the time, it would have been over a lot sooner. He says they should have looked on the internet to see his credentials, then they would see that he could be believed. The problem is, if they looked beyond Emmanuel TV they would find that:

Why would any government listen to this joke of a prophet? This is a man with $15 million in the bank who leases a private jet, if he really knew where the missing jet was he would have flown out and proven it. Then his fame would be renown, he truly would be recognised globally as a “prophet of our time”. He didn’t do that for the same reason he didn’t make any attempt to heal and resurrect the victims of his building collapse. He makes a lot of noise about being a prophet and healer, but take him out of the controlled, sanitised environment of his carefully choreographed meetings and he can’t do a thing.

9 dead in Charleston shooting, you won’t believe what TB Joshua does.

The act of terrorism that left 9 dead last Thursday has showcased the best and worst of humanity. Churches all over the world are standing in solidarity with Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, messages of grace and forgiveness are being posted the the facebook page of the killer, thousands are sending their prayers and sympathies, and hard questions are being faced by politicians. Meanwhile TB Joshua forgoes even the simplest act of solidarity, and exploits the situation by claiming to have predicted it, with a vague 3 year old “prophecy” predicting more acts of violence in America. In SCOAN-land, tragedies are simply a vehicle to boost TB Joshua’s profile. His narcissism knows no bounds.

In the video it references TB Joshua’s prediction of the theatre shooting. Make sure you read our debunking of that false prophecy.

 

BREAKING: TB Joshua admits he’s not called by God

One year ago TB Joshua made the following claim regarding the Chibok girls kidnapped by Boko Haram:

Unless I am not called by God. I place my career and calling on the line. That these 200 plus school children kidnapped, they have to be released immediately, unharmed and unhurt. Then they can wait for God’s judgement.”

One year later, the schoolgirls are tragically still in captivity. They were not released immediately. One year of captivity will have inflicted untold harm and hurt on them. They are not unharmed and unhurt. We can now know TB Joshua’s words were 100% false, simply exploiting a highly emotional event for his own fame. At least this time he was honest enough to stake his career and calling on it.

TB Joshua, by your very words, you are not called by God – so stop pretending otherwise. The time has come for you to stop deceiving and abusing people, you’ve been exposed by your own words.

UPDATE:

Thanks to one of our readers “General” for pointing out further statements on the SCOAN facebook page. In addition to the video above, on the 28th April 2014 TB Joshua said:

“The ones that are still under their custody – God said He will release them. This is the voice of God. God has spoken – these children must be released.”

“We are in a spiritual battle. God has promised all of them will come out free, without harm and hurt.”

““Almost half of these girls have escaped and are inside the bush. Our prayer is safety for these little ones. Let them come out! We can’t wait to see them! I was expecting “Breaking News” last Thursday that almost half of them escaped.”

“On Tuesday, be in an attitude of prayer. With God, all things are possible.”