Anointed water packaging version 2.0 (left) and 3.0 (right)
Only months since several people lost their lives in a futile attempt to get their hands on TB Joshua’s anointed water at SCOAN Ghana, TB Joshua is sending his water to London for a special anointed water service, the Christian Post reports.
This anointed water is the third version of the product (and we use the word “product” deliberately, SCOAN’s claims that it is not “sold” are extremely dubious). The previous version of the anointed water was blasphemously labeled “for the salvation of your soul“, the third version took the blasphemy to new heights by calling it “the blood of Jesus“.
The most incredible thing is, since the release of Anointed Water 3.0, TB Joshua actually admitted that it is pointless (at least if you followed his statement to its logical conclusion). Apparently TB Joshua is just providing you with water (and not even enough to drink), the anointing is from God. Therefore, unless TB Joshua has a monopoly on God, you’re getting nothing more than what you could get from your tap.
For the poor Ghanians who went looking for breakthrough from this water, it proved worse than pointless, it was deadly. Four lost their lives (the “anointing” in the water didn’t help them with that), and many were injured (why didn’t the “anointing” in the water protect them, or at the very least heal them?).
People of London, you have very easy access to water. If you believe God is going to use water as a means to your blessing, then get it from the nearest tap, don’t waste your time, energy, hope and money waiting for these little packets of water.
TB Joshua Watch 
I think you must LEAVE TB Joshua alone with his Work of God . You need to accept some of these things , well i personally would advise people being disrespectful on this Anointed man of God … ( TB JOSHUA ) to try and start a ministry and grow bigger than him in stead of fighting with God . I ‘ve said so because the man did not created himself he was created by God the Father and it is He GOD the FATHER that works in him .
I personally do respect Men of God all over the world .
I wander if these people posting such message are even Christians…
It’s a very shameful , things you deny are able to be seen with your necked eyes surely what’s this ?
Send your own anointing water to anywhere in the world no one will complain . Do it now .and leave the man alone please. TB Joshua is a true man sent by God. You don’t fight MEN of God in Such a childish manner
Disappointed
In you .
God bless you.
Sylvester Lungu From Zambia.
The problem with many Christians today is that they don’t even know their Bible. Many Christians are just biblically illiterate and ignorant, and don’t know the difference between true and false doctrines or doctrines of demons. By claiming that he has “produced” the “blood of Jesus” in a bottle, TBJ is teaching false doctrine and a doctrine of demons !
TBJ is a false prophet !
IF TBJ IS A DEMON HE CAN NOT CALL JESUS CHRIST BOLD LY ND REBUKE DEM ONS IN JESUS CHRI ST,S NAME.REMOVE THE PLANK IN UR O WN EYES.TANX 4 A DVERTISING TBJ,S MINISTRY
@ Aldawn,
Why don’t you take the skip full of planks and splinters from your own eye. When TB Joshua is lining up to Gods word and stops using gimmicks and false and fake deliverance then we leave him alone.
I challenge anyone in SCOAN to deliver me from where you are,” with or without” anointed water ” if you claim that God is with you. If you fail we know that God is not with you. So far anyone of you have failed, for many years. So it is justified that you are liars, cheaters, deceivers, scammers, 419 tricksters and talking a lot but delivering nothing.
ARE YU THE REAL CHRISTIANS? I DOUBT BUT ONLY STUPIDS. TB J IS A REAL MAN OF GOD.
Terrific, you who knows the bible, did your bible tell you to hold malace, grudges, unforgivness? These habit is killing you gradually. All the knowledge of bible you have is for nothing. The bible school you went to learn demonic activities. You don’t peace withen you. You are dying slowly. Please I advice you to go for check up. Honestly I feel sorrow for you. Your hatred will soon drive you to madness. Meanwhile, the profet that you so much hate and can’t sleep does not know whether you exist, in the sense that to him every body is a product of God and he prays for all even his enemis. TAKE IT EASY terrific. We have read about you and all your atrocities in SCOAN before you were sent packing. Mark
it, I didn’t wish you dead, I only advice to take it easy so you don’t dig a grave for your self. Put the pain of the past behind you and look to the future, but if you continue to fight profet tb joshua, you are fighting wrong batle. You must have known by now that GOD is fighting his batles for him, the evidence is the tremendous growth in the ministry.
Terrific, fake name, there’s no problem witth any real christian. You always make reference of such. The problem is with you and your group of tb watch. The devil has total control of your lives. What a miserable life!!! The devil has made you to deviate from useful purpose for your lives to making a living throgh scamming on the net to make a living. What jobs do you guys do? Nothing! What a MESERABLE LIFE!!! And that’s how your lives will be, because you have spoken evil against the anointed man of God, profet tb joshua, a true profet of God
The blood of Jesus Christ is God’s own blood. Acts 20:28. Does anyone imagine that any mortal like T B Joshua can manufacture God’s blood like they do in factories ? Those who claim to be Christians really need to study and understand the Bible and not just believe anything they hear or see. Yes, we need to have faith, but faith doesn’t mean being stupid. Faith is based on the truth of God’s Word, and if anyone teaches anything that is contrary to the Word of God, we must reject it immediately !
Nobody can manufacture God’s blood and put it in bottles and sell them for Pounds and Dollars. The blood of Jesus Christ cannot be bought or sold.
T B Joshua is just an ordinary false prophet trying to make some money out of gullible and stupid people who claim to be “Christian.” Wake up, people !
Mr Terrific if you knew the bible you would know that God hates divorce,adultery,lying and stealing.
Tell that to T B Joshua, the fornicator, adulterer, liar, manipulator, false prophet, fake messiah, false teacher who robs and steals from God’s people , selling all kinds of things for filthy lucre’s sake.
Some of you are talking of being married and some talking about divorce, so which of you is speaking the truth and which one is lying ? Oh yes, I know, all TBJoshua’s supporters are liars, just like their master TBJ, who is son of Satan, the father of lies.
Amen!
Terrific and jessy, both of you have nothing important to talk about. Your anger is based on the fact you were sent packing from SCOAN, why because of your dubious activities in SCOAN. I will not be surprise if you guys are not the people organizing the duping of people who want to come to SCOAN for deliverance. You guys have no jobs. You are on the net 24/7. You do nothing but scam. You guys call yourselves pastors. Ofcouse demonic pastors. SCOAN has done a remarkable thing by flushing your kind out of the ministry, if not you would have brought the ministry dawn. You guys are so grived that you can do and undo. The stampede that happened in Ghana? Humm!! Are your hands clean? Hummmm!!! The way you guys hate the profet, tb joshua, you can do and undo. You can go to any lenght. But what you don’t know is that GOD IS WITH PROFET TB JOSHUA. You guys condemn the anointing water and call it all sort of names. What I can say is that the water is produced by profet tb joshua, but the anoiting of the water is done by JESUS Himself. The spirit of God is in it, and when you are condemning the anointing water you are sining against the Holy Spirit and there is NO forgiveness. When bad things begin to happen to you, you ‘ll forget that it was what you have used your mouth to say is the cause of your problems. God is giving you a long rope to repent. Those of you that have sinned against the Holy Spirit, no forgiveness, that’s what the bible says. You have watched the clips on the anointing water service in SCOAN UK. It was amazing, people were being delivered. Form demons, people who couldn’t walk, started walking, people vomiting poisonous substances etc. If you don’t believe, leave those of us that believe alone. Leave the profet of God alone. HUMMM! One day. Monkey go go market and he no go come back. LEAVE TB JOSHUA, ALONE. HE IS A PROFET A PROFET OF GOD
What you don’t understand please don’t envy,You guys do’t like tbjosua why are you using his name as emil address,tbjshua as contact address fr your useless watch,who ask you people,that is impersonation,illegal that what prison terms. You know that nobody will look at you that is why you use his name.you are nobody and you will remain until you contact true anointing of God,we use the blood of jesus to pray by faith so it is not wrong to assume that this is blood of jesus by faith,withut faith you can’t please God.
TB CAN’T REPLY YOU BACK BECUSE HE IS A MAN OF GOD.
Isn’t the British government rather strict about things like this? I know that certain people have been banned from entering the UK apparently due to the likelihood of them instigating riots with their behavior (Fred Phelps, I think).
I hope they will take a lesson from Ghana and shut down any kind of public circus at SCOAN before more people die.
There’s not a chance TB Joshua would ever get a visa to come to the Uk, but he’s not attending this in person.
I hope the British government makes it official and declares T B Joshua a persona non grata, then the government of Ghana would follow suit.
One day,the same devil u save will turn against u and TB Joshua is going to be the prophet whom God will use to free u from yo current master’s attack. Mark my word! I know u are demon possessed …no normal person speaks against an anointed servant of Jesus like u do,unless under demonic influence….u are responsible for it all and must answer before God …..
De more yu say bad things to profet TBJoshua the more he hes blessed with more powers so those who dont believe in him tok more he will fly higher may God bless him an add more powers
Acts 19:11-12
And God gave Paul the power to perform unusual miracles so that even HANDKERCHIEFS AND APRONS that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them.
Acts 20:9
As Paul spoke on and on, a young man named Eutychus, sitting on the windowsill, became very drowsy. Finally, he fell sound asleep and dropped three stories to his death below.
[God where do these morons come from? *facepalm*]
Did Paul manufacture and sell anointed handkerchiefs? Also, you conveniently leave out the bit in Acts 20 where Eutychus is raised from the dead. Were any of the four killed in Ghana raised from the dead? How can you support this nonsense?
T B Joshua cannot compare himself to the apostles, let alone the Messiah Himself. Shame on you, Temitope Balogun Joshua, sakawa prophet of Nigeria who claims to be messiah !
@ Benson Mbewe,
Really ? I thought the Devil is in the Middle East now ? He can’t be so busy with all of us at once is it ? Did you know that the Devil is NOT omnipotent, omnipresent and omnicient ?
Your absurd insults of us being demon possessed is not sticking. If you are so anointed yourself, prove yourself and deliver us from your imaginary devils and demons.
We are not against what God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit does. But against the spiritual dispensing at will what is so vehemently denied by TB Joshua in SCOAN.
Why don’t you study how God works Souvereignly and not when we want it when we step on the plate, whenever we want.
In SCOAN God Shows up whenever the show starts, conveniently.
ITS FUNNY THE WAY PEOPLE ATTAC K TB JOSHUA.IF U DONT LIKE HIS MINI STRY,GO ELSEWHER E.TO MANY,D ANOIN TING WATER WORKS WHATEVER U CRITI CS CALL D WATER,2 ME ITS SAFER THAN PATRONIZING MAGI CIANS.LEAVE TBJ A LONE
Well, there’s your problem Aldawn, your heart seeks after magical solutions to problems, and you think if the label “Christian” is attached, that makes a charm or talisman “safe.”
Hate to break it to you man, but you have a problem there. Christianity is not magic. God is not a cosmic vending machine. Christianity is taking up the CROSS. Jesus *guaranteed* us troubles. Don’t be looking for safe magic. Find your way to the Cross.
Realy why dont you jst creat you church so that you pipo wll came to you church and leave us to go to tb joshua the choice is ours .we are the captain of our oun boat. Leave pipo alone pls fight for you oun salavation every one is goin to stand for you oun life. Tb joshua doesnt advertise all call anyone to his church ,its us who go look for him ourself because of the god that we see in him, if you do the same we wll also came to u church my god forgive you
People with little faith, please if you think is just water that you can get from your tap is your own cup of tea. we are individuals and everyone is fighting for his/her salvation and no one is going to meet God me and you but he works through men of God.
That was TB Joshua who said that, not us https://tbjoshuawatch.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/breaking-news-tb-joshua-admits-his-anointed-water-is-pointless/
TB Joshua proclaimed in yesterday unday-service; “This child is destined to cause the raise and falling of others”.!
@Jamie
Do you have a bible?This is biblical.Read this please
Luke 2:34-35
Then Simeon blessed them and said to Mary, his mother: “This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against, so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too.
Li, part of Biblical literacy is understanding the concept of CONTEXT.
All Scripture is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness. Not all Scripture refers to all people all the time in all ways. This Scripture you gave refers to ONE person, and that is JESUS. It is a specific prophecy to Mary about Jesus the Messiah. It is not claimable by anyone else. Jesus is the only Savior, the only one who died for us.
I’m glad at least one SCOANite is interested in using Scripture. The next step is using it *properly*.
@ M.,
+1
I totally agree with you about that. What where they thinking huh ? Comparing themselves to the One and Only Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Next they claim, TB Joshua powers are the same as written in Isaiah 11. Wow, they must walk from arrogance next to their shoes. 😉 and they call this not blasphemy ?
@M
Did TB Joshua said :I m the child?why not prove it?All you know to do is to twist whatever he says.
The child is still alive but now he works through his servants and many will still fall when they won’t understand his ways.
let the man of god tbj,do his work peacefuly,al u demon possesed pple,seek the face of god,it seems u r hopeless,unstable & unsecure.ask h/spirit who is a true profet,folow him & learn.take ur eyes away frm dilusionment.at the end the truth wil prevail over the false.no 1 is an angel
if you guys claim that TBJ is fake… why not let God deal with him? His ministry has grown since it started with 8 members… why not ask God to break it down? if you guys claim to be the “real” Christians surely God should answer your prayers by now?
For how long is this going to go on for? but as TBJ says… persecution is a tonic for the anointing… keep on persecuting him and you’ll see the result 🙂
Hi Jenson
Welcome back, it’s been a while.
Oh we do, but that doesn’t mean we don’t do something about it as well. Evil should be confronted, not just prayed against. Everyone believes that in reality.
I’m not sure you really thought through that statement. How many real Christians are praying for the end of Boko Haram? Does the fact that their prayers have not been answered yet mean that they’re not “real” Christians?
You always used to come across as someone quite free thinking and open minded, I’m surprised that after the mountain of evidence we keep uncovering you’re still so fervently supporting the man.
How haughty, arrogant and leaning on might and intimidation, can a man of god be, who claims he is the cause of the raising and falling of others? When will this insanity ends? amen
@Jamie
So Jesus was haughty,arrogant leaning on mighty and intimidation on his people who fell because of him?The same way they treated their master Jesus,the sameway his servants are treated.A servant is not greater than his master but happy those who raise because of the ministry of Jesus Christ and his servants than those who fall because of them.
Its worthy to choose the best part for any soul.
Li, well if TB Joshua is destined to cause the rising and falling of many, then I am destined to do the same. Thank you so much.
@Jamie if you are a servant of God and no one is against you, watch careful if it is God who really called you.
But if you have been called by God himself, don’t expect that all people will praise you.
You will have to face many trails everywhere you can not even think of ,because the devil will use people to fight you for you are used by God to bring many souls into the kingdom of God.
Read what happened to the apostles of Jesus Christ after He has returned to the Father.
TBJ is not under any persecution but under EXAMINATION by the Word of God ! Please stop comparing this sakawa prophet to the apostles, let alone the Lord Jesus.
@Mr Terrific ,I suppose you have been exposed as sakawa yourself, if not you wouldn’t persecute him and hate him that much ,It seems he has hardly hit a nerve with you.
TBJoshua has been quoting this scripture for a long time, and is stealing a scripture ascribed to the Lord Jesus. He has been claiming to be messiah for a long time and now we know he is a fake messiah, one of the many false Christs who Jesus prophesied would come in the last days.
The truth is that those who are ignorant of the Bible would fall for his lies and deception, but those who know their God and the Bible shall be strong, rise up and do great exploits. Daniel 11:32. T B Joshua, like his father Satan, cannot make anyone rise or fall, unless you allow him to.
Let me put it this way: If you allow TBJ to ruin your life, then you would surely fall, but TBJ cannot make anyone rise, because he is bent on destruction of souls and elevating himself as fake messiah.
Terific wisen up! Can the anointing water you claim to be deadly heal, deliver and blesses? You think people are so stupid like you? For exaple people who are healed of incurable deases come to give testinonies years after. You can only decieve those people who have not watched emmanuel tv, but you can’t decieve those who watch the programme live and every day. People who watched the sunday anointing water of 1st of sept in UK will testify. Was it deadly. BE DIGGING YOUR GRAVE BY LYING AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD
OHHHHHHH you useless people leave TB Jousua alone
tayo,God say we should not judge so i don,t see d reason why we should be bording o!but tbj is a God fearing man.Either is fake or not non of my business.
There is an announcement on the scoan-website; A woman from Botswana, being prayed for in the prayer-line, became in oxygine-troubles, her situation became worser,. They took her to the Lagos-hospital where she was allegated certified dead.
Do you have a link? This is a story being reported by the Botswanan press, but on facebook and twitter SCOAN are denying it.
Death of woman at scoan. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=455866984534083&set=a.105659106221541.7350.103470916440360&type=1
That’s the same story we saw. SCOAN are denying it happened. At the moment there’s not sufficient evidence to doubt them.
SCOAN are specialists at DENIAL ! They deny NOW, then RETHINK later !
Yes, one of the papers in Botswana has reported on the story.
http://www.mmegi.bw/index.php?sid=1&aid=436&dir=2013/September/Monday2
There you go again with your lies, rumor mongering. The said woman from botswana was never invited by SCOAN. They got their invitation from a hotel in lagos. They were never in prayer line. The sister to the deseased confirmed it on emmanuel tv They beat the gun, perhaps they could not wait for SCOAN invitation. Don’t spread rumors you are not sure of. Get your information right. Tthere so many things we do and say that God is annoyed. We invite the wrath of God on ourselves by the things we say and do
I AM REALLY DESAPOINTED WITH THOSE WHO JUDGE A MAN OF GOD,REALLY LET GOD FORGIVE U ALL,AND DELIVER FR YR SATANIC THOUGHT
Even if its true who said someone is not suposed to die in church? U myt as wel hav called this blog @accusers of tbjoshua. Its now clear that u are haters of the man of G.
You guyz u sound studior than u writte….Do you want to tell me that you are the oly ones who know the bible beter in this world …A big NO NO…You only search for those scriptures which favours you…….ha ha ha ha ha even sangomas do read the bible like that….wether u like it or not GOD the father of JESUS CHRIST is going to use PROPHET TB JOSHUA among other prophets…..He was brought for people such as you……..Our problem is that some of us we take church as a bizness thats why we are threatened when onother man of God works wonders than us bcaz we feel he is going to take all the customers…..
Guyz do wat you were sent to do …DONT TELL ME YOU WERE CALLED TO OPEN A GOSSIP FB PAGE …NOP juz seat down and ask God what you are GOD at he will tell you .Maybe you can do mo wondors that Prophet TB Joshua its only that u are wasting ur time cursing ur selves by ridiculing the works of God…..God can work even throgh you in any way he wants …No one can dectate to him on how ,when,,where or who to use to do his work…..
You don’t come across as being as open minded as your name suggests….
@ TBJW,
There are so open minded, you can put anything in there. 😉
It could also they have two brains, one is lost and the other is looking out for it. Hehe
@ TBJoshuawatch
Did Paul manufacture and sell anointed handkerchiefs?
Did any one in the bible create any Facebook page to insult any one or warn people???
if not then that means u r also wrong???
So find sumthing to do after work….Prophet TB Joshua isnt related to in any way so leave him alone ….mind ur bizness and he will mind his
IF u r man enuf go cast the demons from him so we can see the power of you God unless if you are a coward acting like a dog b
@ Kemsy
In Bots we are used to that…..One of those news papers published false accusations about one of our popular intertainers on front page last week before they confirmed the truth and the same news paper published a vice vesa story on the front page this week…its all about money for jonalists…..We are expecting the truth from the same paper next week i know….
@ Open Mind
The woman has passed on. Are you being open minded up this reality? She HAS died, and her corpse is in Nigeria, where she went to seek prayers from the ‘prophet’ at SCOAN.
@kemsy
were you there when she was beeing prayed for by the prophet?liars all time!
Mr Terific who knows mayb the sakawa here is you……Dont boast with you looped scriptures which were selected for a mission of destruction..Ha ha you keep on coting the scripture about those who will be chased after casting and perfoming miracles in the name of jesus but you forget that the same question will be aske to you and what are going to say?? We created a Blog in you name so we are a special group,Nop it doesnt work that way…..Prophet TB Joshua ivited you to come and cast demons from him you failed….ha ha ha ha ha ha…I said go there so we see who is of God between you and him….Tok is cheap….
If you’re really “open-minded,” you’d stand on the Word of God, and challenge your sakawa prophet for claiming to be messiah and for teaching doctrines of demons and for sleeping with other men’s wives and committing fornications and adulteries and deceiving people. Tell TBJ to make a public confession of his atrocities and repent and ask the Lord Jesus to save him, lest he goes to hell !
more deception in London http://scoanlondon.wordpress.com/
Wow. Fascinating to read that blog.
Two things I noticed:
1. The shameless self promoting language. I have never seen people who are as proud of themselves as SCOANites. Never. The flowery language is just plain obnoxious, but it serves its purpose well–to heighten emotions and hype the goings on. WHO rights this stuff? It all sounds the same, the blog, the narration on the videos. It is nauseatingly manipulative in nature.
2. Apparently the power of God really is limited to TB Joshua in their minds, and he must at least be “present” via television screen in order for things to happen. What a tragic limitation to put on God.
From that SCOAN London article:
They really do see him as a mediator between them and God. How can intelligent Christians (as the SCOANites I know are) not see through this?!
@ Open Mind,
I have been there, many, many times, done this, done that, got the T-Shirt.
NOTHING happened. Note to you I have stood in front of TB Joshua several times. Not one minute but over 15 minutes. NOTHING happened. Now who was casting out who ?
The latest story he made about the lightning of God and a white rope of light on the floor is telling him to go where he has to go. Using it as excuse not to go anywhere when it stops.
How can we possibly verify this ?
The late Benson Idahosa went everywhere and whenever he got out of the plane, he would say: ” Devil wherever I put my feet you will flee.”
Benson amongst others took the gospel to 145 nations in his lifetime.
You TB Joshua, you coward, you don’t dare to come out of your lair and evangelise the world personally having excuse of going to be killed.
I have travelled the world, I have faced adversary, opposition, shouting people, people who wanted to shoot me, stab me with their knives, fight me, hit me with their fists, opposed me, but it would not stop me to go anywhere where God told me:
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Deuteronomy 31:6
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
6 Be strong and of good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them; for the Lord thy God, He it is who doth go with thee. He will not fail thee nor forsake thee.
Hebrews 13:5
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
5 Let your manner of living be without covetousness, and be content with such things as ye have. For He hath said, “I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee;
Hiding behind your ivory tower with your purported gifts you claim. Why should we come to your orchestrated circus ever again. How many times did Jesus or Apostles preach in the synagogues ? Jesus travelled all over Israel, the apostles travelled anywhere they could reach.
Come out if your lair you coward Temitope Balogun Joshua and show your prowess on the squares in Nigeria, the hospitals of Nigeria, face the Boko Haram, face Bashar Assad, Face the Egyptians, face Kim Jung Un, Mexico, Spain, Haiti, (plenty demons ) and more.
What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
Romans 8:31
You promise a lot, but never do something in those areas
GREAT NEWS:
There is great joy in heaven when one of us who have been deceived for so long begins to see the LIGHT! Luke 15:7
Hear what our brother Gary who has been promoting TB Joshua for so long has to say now about TB Joshua, his ministry (sharing of bags of rice and deliverances) and their being in bed with the UN and Satanic Muslim Agenda in this YouTube video.
This is what we have been saying for a long time, that your ability to cast out devils does not mean God is with you. “Casting Out Devils” is a gift and when God gives a gift He does not take it away from you (Romans 11:29), it does not determine your anointing or certifies you as a true servant of God. A person that cast out devils can still go to HELL. Remember what Jesus Christ himself said:
“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” (Matt 7:22-23).
I just came across this today, was so impressed with Brother Gary that thought I should share.
My people, the “Jesus” of the Muslim religion is not the same as the Jesus Christ of the Christian religion period. And the “Jesus” TB Joshua is propagating is the other “Jesus” of the Muslim religion. We are not judging just testing the spirit….(1 John 4:1).
Thank you for this testimony of the Muslim conversion. Yes, let this be an example of who the true Jesus Christ of the Bible is and how He saves through love. How Jesus is love and forgiveness!
“Everyone who loves has been born of God (has been born again of God, who is love) and knows God” – 1 John 4:7
“Whoever does not love does not know God, because GOD IS LOVE” – 1 John 4:7.
It is IDOLATRY and doctrine of the Devil to make people believe in and depend on objects like anointing water, stickers, wrist bands, watching Emmanuel.TV etc. to protect them from evil spirits.
It is understandable if these items get in contact with sick and they are healed and demons run away like Apostle Paul did with his handkerchiefs, but to tell people to paste stickers all over their homes to ward of evil spirits is preposterous, what then is the Holy Spirit of God doing for us?
Words will fail me to mention the case of producing these en masse to sell and comparing it with the “handkerchief” of Apostle Paul touching and healing the people. Apostle Paul never mass produced those “handkerchiefs” to sell to make profit “for his next trip to Rome or is it Macedonia” and making merchandise of people. Anyway, I do not want to start all over again to repeat myself, A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE. If anyone is interested in what I have to say, let them check my comments from previous posts.
By the way, a brother told me that he called SCOAN for prayers, the lady he got on the line refused to pray for him, but told him to get Emmanuel.TV on his cable and keep watching Emmanuel.TV and he will be healed! When I heard that I nearly I was like WHAT! So, people are not to pray anymore but be glued to Emmanuel.TV? This is getting crazier every day :(.
On the CASE OF WISEMAN JOHN CHI:
Again let us ponder this, why did TB Joshua according to him “drop John Chi from being a wise man”? The other day to save face, he brings John Chi back to his pulpit tell the viewers that he (John Chi) is still with TB Joshua and SCOAN, that he hasn’t left and that there is no division between them.
If that is the case why not restore John Chi back to ministering in SCOAN as a Wise Man if he “hasn’t left SCOAN and is still with them”? What unpardonable sin has John Chi committed that cannot be forgiven that TB Joshua had to disgrace him completely and strip him of the mantle of a Wiseman, and still allow him to be residing in the SCOAN fortress as a free loader? Is it fornication/adultery, consulting a witchdoctor/spiritualist, blasphemy against God,…even these can be forgiven.
What is it that is so heavy a sin that he had to disgrace and punish John Chi as he is currently doing?
The calling of a true servant of God is without repentance because the gift of God is without repentance (Romans 11:29). TB Joshua has no right to drop John Chi from being a wise man, period.
O, how I pray to God Almighty the other wise men would see the light, stop this masquerade training program and come out.
Currently busy guys, will be back with you all shortly, love you.
Keep up the good work of warning those who will listen, search their scriptures and know if what we are saying here is true like the wise people of Berea in Act 17:11. God’s Blessings to you.
@angelica
Do you have ears or you like to talk just to talk?TB Joshua said: “who am I to drop a wiseman?wisemen were anointed by God like I was too.”Are you deaf or?
Is TB Josua now the one to forgive sins?So you are saying yourself he is God now because you want to give yourself a right to twist what happened with John chi.
Tb Joshua has nothing to do about his drop.He did not drop him but God.
He even said he is praying to God to raise more wisemen/women but the choice is from God not TB Joshua.It is not TB Joshua who anoint wisemen but God.God can restore him if he wants too not if Angelica wants too or TB Joshua.
When will you stop your twisting and hear once what TB Joshua says without twisting anything.
To be wisemen is not a job! Its the holy spirit who works through them not TB Joshua who chose to give them a job.
Angelica you want to make yourself wise about things of the spirit but you are far away.
Your understanding is physically not spiritually.
N. TB Joshua literarely says during a sermon some months ago, that the wis-men are ” extensions” of himself,and that he has brought them-up . This means, he selected them and imparted them. We all receive the Holy Spirit, and some receive special anoitings to minister to others. The mantel of profhesy and apostleship, is given to a very vew, and it is given by God Himself. The wise-men do not function independant, but a person endowed with the Holy Spirit by His calling, dont needs a mentor, he is guided and teached and brought-up by The Holy Spirit Him-self.
@Jamie Why do you have to take things of spirit and twist them in physical understanding?
TB Joshua chose wisemen by the guidance of holy spirit not from his will.
If it was so he could have brought up by now many wisemen as he wishes than 5 only. Have you ever heard him saying he is praying to God to raise more wisemen ?
He even said how can he reduce the wisemen when there are so much work to do.
We have seen too,the number of people attending Scoan has increased considerably. TBJ is just their mentor like he is to many pastors and others who are being tought by him, and all those who were mentored by him are not all wisemen.
To be wisemen is not a job given by man but its a calling from God coz the anointing is from the spirit. And when the spirit of God is not guiding you how would you expect to keep working as wiseman? So for you Its TB Joshua who instruct the holy spirit how to work with wisemen?
How long will you keep thinking like kids!
If the YouTube post above is not coming up for you, search YouTube:
“Jesus’ WARNING to/for TB Joshua Re: Christian Apathy- Muslim” by revel2123
Brother Gary is slowly seeing the light about SCOAN, I still wonder why he loves hanging out in the woods, though. God bless you all.
Angel.
Angelica,
………………”What unpardonable sin has John Chi committed that cannot be forgiven that TB Joshua”…….
The most probable, unpardonable sin that John Chi committed was offending tbj by not submitting to being his puppet and went against tbj will in something.
So JC is being disciplined by tbj now. But the world was asking to many questions for tbj to get away with his torture of JC.
And why must JC get his anointing back. Just push a bottle of anointing water in his hand and send him out with that. What is the difference?
Anointing water UK branch?
1 September 2013.
@ MR Terific
I cant challenge him about that just because you said he said so…I watch Emauel TV and I have neva heared the prophet saying he is the messiah , God or Christ.Why is it only you who always hear him say that………What if I say you should stop sleeping with you subodinates and grow up,You shuld also stop all those thug bizenesses of yours and live a straight life.You think people dont know you??? You have to stop sleeping with young girls in exchange for money …Dont you think thats evil…..Stop all that then thats when you can du your jurging……..
You’re already condemned by your own fabrications, because you people claimed you DID NOT EVEN KNOW ME, so everyone can see TBJ and his followers as fabricators, liars, manipulators and deceitful band of rogues !
@Just wonder ,Engelica,TBjoshuawatch, M,MR Terrific and all other PROPHET TBJ HATERS
To prove that you are serving the most high GOD than that of TBJ pleass stop warawaring neh….Look
We have Emanuel TV in our houses so do this
GO TO SCOAN PRAY FOR PROPHET TBJOSHUA AND CAST THE DEMON OUT OF HIM….
Unless if you are scared that he will cast out of you thats why you chickened to Bloging ..
Prophet TB Joshua convinced us publicly on TV using the name of JESUS not blogs so if you want to convince us use the same method using the name that you feel its better than the Name JESUS used by Prophet TB Joshua to take him down if you have the guts coz most of the people who go to SCOAN dont blog but they watch TV……..
GUD Luck guys
just let us know when you are going to do that
Other wise Stop the delussions and bitterness and leave your lives,,Leave the servent of Jesus alone ……
Oh, this is such a bunch of piffle. You guys all say the same thing, based on the same misunderstanding of basic Christian theology.
God may deal with TBJ as he wishes. Your focus is so very narrow that you probably do not know this, but God has allowed certain cult leaders and heretics over the years to operate without interference. Some were dealt with by people stepping in, but others crashed and burned on their own, taking their followers with them. If God calls someone to go cast a demon out of TBJ, that person must obey God. But that is not the only way God deals with people who are false teachers.
And for the record, the name upon which I call is JESUS. JESUS only saves me. JESUS only delivers me. JESUS only is the mediator between myself and God. TBJ has nothing to do with my salvation, and no power over me. I neither hate him nor fear him. If someone offered me a TV spot, I would say as much. However, I am not going to collect money from already poor people in order to buy the equipment to make a TV show to promote myself. So. Comments on a blog it is.
@Jesse
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT WHAT THE PROPHET SAID WAS WRONG AND WHAT YOU IS SPECULATINGIS CORRECT?
Prophet TB Joshua failed to deliver you neh thats what you say…???
OK then caz you believe and you can see the demon in him why didnt you take advantage and deliver him..
@ Open Mind,
Do you believe, I say again believe, I can’t deliver him ? He is hiding now for me. He does not want to show up in Egypt, North Korea, Syria, Iraq, because he believes that what he said is his smart answer of not going there because he will be killed. That is what he believes and thinks.
Proverbs 23:7
For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Why is it that he can’t go and evangelise the world ? Not by camera, but in person ? He is now a peacemaker he says, what is the point of a title and not do anything ? Or is it just a given title by pleasing men ? If you want to stick up your head above the rest then do so, do say it and sit behind your metal SCOAN fences and tell me elaborate things about light ropes on the floor he follows.
Why is it that not one disciple of Jesus talks about this, nor any apostle ? Why don’t you hear it from other pastors and preachers ? I really believe he can’t read Mark 16 does he now ?
@N:
This is why you people keep being deceived time and time again.
Anyway, Is John Chi Satan or a demon/fallen angel that is condemned to eternal damnation without pardon? No, he is a blood bought child of the living God, bought and saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ; therefore, salvation and forgiveness is open for him and he should be re-instated as a Wiseman/Evangelist. I dare TB Joshua to do that, he knows why he kicked John Chi out or is it “dropped him”? He knows because John Chi’s teaching is contrary to his twisted doctrine of demons that he uses “LOVE” to camouflage. John Chi goes with what the Holy Bible says and not simply what is forced down his throat by TB Joshua.
Even, a strong supporter and “ex-” Emmanuel TV partner, Brother Gary noted that John Chi teaches the right things while TB Joshua teaches the opposite in this video here.
Title: John Chi True Man Of God, TB Joshua and Muslim
My dear I am more spiritual than you can ever imagine. TB Joshua is always deceiving you people that he is “spiritual”, and go by the direction of the Holy Spirit, this is false.
So, was it the Holy Spirit that sent him on the anointing water distribution errand in Ghana that wasted and spilled the blood of four lives for the Kingdom of Darkness to consume? TB Joshua is operating on a “gift”, he does not communicate with “Holy Spirit” on a regular basis like he brags and boasts of regularly, and wants his “PEONS” to believe (those that depending on him to live, that cannot take a step in life, inhale or exhale without consulting him first). This is one of his self-promoting tactics to keep you people to keep coming back for more and glued to his TV station, to take him as one special person like some messiah; he is not as “Spiritual” as he wants his followers and TV viewers to believe.
Angelica, we all receive the Holy Spirit, when we accept Jezus as our Lord. By the most christians this Holy Spirit lays dorment., . By speaking the Gospel of grace, we release the awakened power of The Holy Spirit. We become indeed adopted by The Spirit by accepting Jezus as our teacher.
@jamie
Thank you Jamie,you have got everything.That is it,very right!
Angelica and gary are justv twisting things because they think they are spiritual than others.
We are jst loghing at you coward and agent of the darkness tb joshua is jst doing his work saving soul for the kingdom of god as you evil also trying to pull us to you kingdom of darkness but i think you a later we orldy now the truth through prophet tb joshua jst ask god to forgive you from satan who is using you
@N:
CONCERNING the case of Wise man JOHN CHI:
What is it that the Word of God says?
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Romans 11:29
Even Judas Iscariot was not de-robed by Jesus Christ or any of the Apostles, he simply killed himself. That was why he was taken out of the picture and the Apostles voted for Matthias to replace him (Acts 1:26). There is no question that if Judas Iscariot repented he would not have been forgiven as Peter was forgiven after denying the LORD three times.
No one has the right to de-robe any “true” Pastor or Prophet (as we know John Chi also exercised the office of a prophet) they are indeed called of God and ordained by an anointed servant of God. Example in the bible book of 1 Samuel, you will notice that David refused to strike King Saul when he started hunting for David’s life regardless of all the opportunity he had to kill him in self defense. This is because King Saul was anointed with Holy Oil by Prophet Samuel. David a true spiritual man, knows that he does not have the right as a servant of God to destroy anyone anointed by God.
Likewise, if John Chi was truly anointed and called, no one has the right to demote or remove him from the work of the Kingdom unless he was NOT anointed or ordained by a TRUE Pastor or a TRUE Prophet.
Having said this, we have to realize that TB Joshua might not be a true called Prophet but someone just gifted with this ability. This could be so as people have questioned and asked him (TB Joshua) time and time again who called or anointed him to be a Pastor/Prophet. TB Joshua to date, has not told the world how he came to accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior or who anointed him to be doing the work he is currently doing as a Pastor/Prophet.
As the Word of God will have it, since TB Joshua was NOT anointed with Holy Oil by anyone, neither does he know or have a true testimony or epiphany (like Paul of Tarsus) of how he came to be teaching and preaching the Word of God with the title of Pastor/Prophet in the Christian religion being a former Muslim. Hence, his ordination or selection of the Wisemen is NULL and VOID. Please don’t buy the fact that he is saying the Holy Spirit told him to call them – which Holy Spirit? The one that told him to distribute anointing water in Ghana that killed 4 people?.
If this is so, we can safely conclude that John Chi’s calling (as well as the calling of all the other Wisemen) is NULL and VOID since TB Joshua who selected him is NOT ANOINTED WITH HOLY OIL to do the work he is doing, he has no right to select John Chi. Therefore, John’s calling to be a Wiseman or Pastor does not stand and the mantle can be taken away from him any time.
Therefore it is spiritually safe for John Chi to stop working as a Wiseman/Pastor until he is properly ordained by anointed man of God with Holy Oil. Even if the Holy Spirit called him, the Holy Spirit will still direct him to an anointed servant of God that will physcially lay hands on him and anoint him like Paul of Tarsus was directed to Ananias (Acts 9:10-12) after the LORD arrested him on his way to Damascus.
However, as a bible believer, John Chi can be safely called an evangelist as all of us that believe in Jesus Christ are called to be Evangelists, but to be called a Pastor, Deacon, Bishop, etc. you must be ordained by they elders of the church because these offices come with criteria (e.g. see 1 Timothy 3:2,8 and Titus 1:6). You simply cannot self-proclaim yourself a Bishop, an Elder, Deacon, Prophet, etc. it is contrary to the teaching of the gospel.
This is just a point, I do not have time to go into a full debate with you concerning this now.
Please note for clarity, when I say someone must be ordained by the elders of the “church”. My “church” here does not mean the entertainment centers and organized institutions of nowadays called “church”.
I mean the gathering together of the servants of Jesus Christ, this could be anywhere and at any location, it does not have to be inside a fancy building called “church”.
Right on, sister ! All the “churches” need a complete shake-down and shake-up ! We need revival, a return to the church in the Book of Acts, and that revival is coming. It is not a revival where deluded people imagine they are “messiahs,” but where Jesus Christ alone is exalted and glorified !
WHOO 🙂 :), hahahahaaa (ROTFL). Guys, I just had to share this too forgive me. Watch Brother Gary CASTING OUT THE DEMON OF ISLAM FROM TB JOSHUA!
Seriously? Brother Gary?
This is HILARIOUS!!! Check out his YouTube video, see him casting out the demon at timer points 7:35 thru 9:01.
Brother Gary is beginning to understand that TB Joshua’s “LOVE” preaching is a subtle camouflage to something more sinister and huge that is not easily noticed by a regular “churchgoer” or “signs and wonder seeker”.
So, please do not blame anyone that comes here debating you of how TB Joshua is a man of God because he heals and delivers them and sends them home with envelops filled with cash and bags of rice, simply pray that the LORD give them a heart of understanding as brother Gary now has. This is seriously funny.
This dude has caught my attention with his new videos of SCOAN and TB Joshua. Watching him between my sessions.
At last, someone has taken the initiative to cast demons out of T B Joshua ! Well, well,well, the blinkers are falling off, and soon even the blind will see that T B Joshua is fake !
Seriously, I’m ROTFL !
@Angelica
Your insinuation does not mean you are telling the truth.However who said John chi is condemned like Lucifer angel of darkness?Do you really first think what you are saying before posting your ideas?How do you compare darkness to the light?
The faculty of “Wiseman/woman is not about forgiveness but its about working under instruction of the Holy spirit.Otherwise anyone can be wiseman or woman by his own power and it is far away from that.
To be forgiven is not the issue because all people including wisemen are forgiven by the God of mercy who forgive all sins .
The faculty of wisemen is not just walking with God like ordinary people but its about a “strict” school under the Holy spirit because they are in high position spiritually so they will be highly tempted than simple Christians that is why they ask more prayers from people.Their calling and task are not easy as you want to show,they don’t just wake up everyday like that and go out to perform their duty but they need more instructions from God, they need to be in the presence of God more than ordinary people coz without the holy spirit to guide them,they cant do anything by their own will.
I think John chi failed the instructions of the holy spirit not the instructions of TB Joshua even if you try hard to twist whatever.
TB Joshua is no anyway the one who raise John chi as wiseman but God himself through holy spirit.I guess John chi must undergo the school of the holy ghost and be strong enough to face all temptations without failing again.
But You can continue with your twisting but the truth remain the truth.
The stampede of Ghana does not mean TB Joshua is not from God or the holy spirit is not with him.
God himself in the old testament promise to the sons of Israel a land flowing with milk and honey but few of them reached the land when many died in their journey because of their stubborn heart to follow God’s instructions.
Know that even if God has called us if we don’t follow his instructions we must endure the consequences and pay the price by ourselves. Even if God is a God of mercy but He is a God of order and obedience not a God of disorder and disobedience.
The consequences will always fall upon to those who refuse to follow the instructions of God or the authorities whether it is God who called them or not.
Angelica ,you and gary who think are more spiritually than others why don’t you explain more how a muslim can be adopted by holy spirit? What John chi is preaching ,is the same as what TB Joshua preach in that video but in different words.
Who is the holy spirit? who is Jesus Christ? who is the Father ? All are One.
Son and Father are ONE in Spirit and the Holy Spirit is the Power of God. Whatever Father does ,the Son does it too in the Power of Holy spirit.
What TB Joshua said” to be adopted by holy spirit and the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ’ spirit and power ? if you accept Jesus as your saviour you are directly under the holy spirit .None can believe Jesus is his Savior without holy spirit to convince him
How can anyone be part of kingdom of God when there is no holy spirit in him?
1 CORINTHIANS 12:3 So I tell you that no one who is speaking with the help of God’s Spirit says, “May Jesus be cursed.” And without the help of the Holy Spirit no one can say, “Jesus is Lord”
Before John chi was dropped, you and gary never twist their words together.Is it that ,it’s the first time you heard these preaching or it is because you are not happy about what happened to John chi and now you have to try every means to show the world that TB Joshua is the one who drop him? No one was happy to hear this bad news except angelica who said God has heard her prayers but now you are changing everything when you have seen your lie has fallen to the ground.
You can keep wasting your time by twisting whatever you want but it will not affect anything about Scoan.That is all I can tell you.
@tbjosuawatch
thank you my comment will always wait for moderation when others who posted after me ,are not waiting for moderation.thank you to take sides,we understand that.
Wow, you are sensitive! Why would we delay certain comments temporarily and then approve them unedited? If you really want to know what happened, I approved a bunch of comments from my phone this morning, and later logged in and found approving yours hadn’t worked, so I approved it just now.
@thank you tbjoshuawatch,anyway sorry.
No problem.
@ N.,
“The faculty of wisemen is not just walking with God like ordinary people but its about a “strict” school under the Holy spirit because they are in high position spiritually so they will be highly tempted than simple Christians that is why they ask more prayers from people”
That is what you TRY to make us believe. Their way of “DISPENSING” the Holy Spirit I discern IS not the Holy Spirit, but a spirit that is passed off as Holy Spirit. This Kundalini dispensing demons are now used in almost any charismatic church and has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit.
You don’t know nothing about the Holy Spirit, you just try your utmost to deceive multitudes with that vile knockdown Kundalini spirit that is coming from Satan.
TBJW, why do you accept such spirit to be entertained without testing it is out of God. Go ask them how they got to know this is the Holy Spirit they advertise. In their belief anything that manifests must and is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is Souvereign and does not when we want and how we want it and whenever we want. This is popular belief this is so and is now used to initiate several “contained” vessels to be send over the world to deceive millions. If you look at it properly you will see they twist Gods arm and we are so desperate to “see” the Holy Spirit work and are so incredible ignorant of Who He actually is, we go by every spiritual manifestation and tell the world another move of the Holy Spirit.
Go study at all these manifestations, what in the long term is doing for the individual, yet still they are always full of demons in the end, just check all their leaders. If you are delivered first time and have invited the Holy Spirit to take control of all your dark nooks and cranny’s there is no way that you can be possessed.
The truth is that many of these leaders were so to speak send out to “bless” others, but again just watch them up closely, who do they represent ? Nothing more than TB Joshua. They have no clue Who Jesus is at all. All their ignorant confessions are about TB Joshua. They don’t know Jesus personally, all they have is looking at TB Joshua what he does and pass it off, Oh yes, this is how Jesus does it, Really ? Why is it that he does not come out and DO like Jesus did for true. He does not, he hides behind nicely made up stories to wriggle himself out of what other pastors do in public. Get it now, please, don’t get deceived ever again with these tricks and lies his cronies bring up to dislodge you from where you are standing. Have you not been hurt enough ?
oh jesse,believe me ,I am more hurt when you keep talking too much but not going into the world to evangelise and deliver TBJ and scoan from the all kundalina powers and demons in them.
Have you not been hurt enough to see us being deceived when you can deliver us and preach to us like God instruct you to do?
@jesse what is it you are addressing your anger towards TBJW?Is it because TBJW does not take sides as you wish.At least he respects the norms of his work than you who talks too much but not delivering anyone from the kundalina powers you keep talking about.
Damage control at SCOAN: SCOAN has produced a video showing the sister of the deceased Botswana woman asking for forgiveness from the ‘prophet’ for the article that appeared in one of the news papers in Botswana. It is rather strange that the woman was not attended to because she did not come at the time/day scheduled for prayers even though she was critical. To say that she had not made proper arrangements with SCOAN before going there is also strange, considering that the ‘prophet’ should be ministering healing to people in the name of God when they appear for help! Since when did hotels invite people from foreign countries to come into another country? I have never heard of hotels inviting anybody, let alone sick foreign nationals, to come into another country! What reason would a hotel give for inviting a sick woman into the country when the hotel doesn’t have the expertise to address her condition? Would the immigration even accept such a reason? Some of these things just don’t add up. T. B. Joshua is the one who parades fake miracles and raises hope in people and makes them think that if they come to him for prayers they too will be healed. That is the only reason a gravely ill woman would leave the comfort of her home and spend a fortune to fly to Nigeria with the hope of being healed. You really don’t have to even think as you watch the video to see that the whole thing is staged to contain/control the damage. And of course the ‘prophet’ could not resist the temptation to showcase his good deed of giving monies for the transportation of the corpse! The thing with these so-called prophets and other healers is that sooner or later they are confronted with real life issues like this and it becomes apparent that they are not what they claim to be after all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obWpjJDUSUE&feature=youtu.be
Oh my Kemzy, you are not kidding.
I feel sorry for this woman. So sorry. She lost her sister, and had the added stress of having to deal with getting her body back to their home country. Now she has the further added stress of apologizing to TBJ. FOR WHAT? Did this woman write the newspaper article? Is she responsible for it? What kind of nonsense is this? If the newspaper is wrong, TBJ had better lean on them, not this poor woman already suffering so greatly.
The letter she showed is not an “invitation from a hotel.” It appears to be related to visas, informing the government that these people are registered at the hotel (IE: have a valid place to stay) and will leave the country at the proper time. Invitation? Uh, no. And seriously, I have travelled a little, including in Africa. Attended many churches, large and small. This “by invitation only” business is nonsense and utterly out of order for a church that claims to operate under Jesus Christ.
Nice touch at the end, with the threats both physical and spiritual. What she is basically saying is that this woman died because of her failure to get permission from SCOAN to visit. That speaks to both their horrific theology, and their controlling nature. And then the nice little box telling us that her death is really no big deal, better for her, even. If this is so, why does SCOAN brag and brag and brag about healings and “raising from the dead”? Death is no problem right?
The “sorrow” for this woman’s death is an afterthought to TBJ and SCOAN. The main priority is making sure that they spin the story their way.
@M.
SCOAN is only interested in saving face at any cost, even if it means exploiting a freshly bereaved family on whom a tragedy fell after being tricked through parading fake miracles in Emmanuel TV into believing that there is healing at SCOAN. SCOAN had demanded an rejoinder from the paper, even saying if it did not respond it could be labelled ‘junk’. Since non such was coming forth, they used the sisters instead, playing the video over and over! It looks like the family too may be SCOANites, so maybe they are okay with kneeling at the feet of the ‘prophet’ and begging for forgives, even though they themselves did not write the newspaper article. They said the prophet should have ‘arrested’? them! Arrested? Just imagine!
There is something exploitative about the video. You cannot help thinking they were couched into doing it. Their speech does not seem natural, they seem to have practiced it over and over. Sad. You are right, it does seem that SCOAN is only interested in spinning the story their way.
The death is real, it happened. The paper said she died on a prayer line at SCOAN on Friday. It turns out that prayers are not done on Fridays. And she seems to have deteriorated at the hotel and later passed away at a hospital, not on a prayer line. It is not certain whether they had even met the ‘prophet’ or not. Maybe there were a few facts that the paper did not verify. But for me, I think SCOAN media (aka Emmanuel TV and their other outlets) does far too much harm than a newspaper. In this particular case the falsities of SCOAN media have caused a gravely ill woman to leave the comfort of her home and family at a huge cost with the hope of getting some healing from a false prophet only to lose her life in the process. Of course there are other people across the world who have suffered and even lost their lives because of the falsities of SCOAN media. But SCOAN media is busy trying to pick a speck of dust from a local newspaper! most obviously because the spec is tarnishing the image of the fake healer T B Joshua! SAD.
I agree with you – you cannot be a church that spews your teachings all over the world telling all and sundry that you heal people and raise the dead and then do a ‘by invitation only’ thing. I have a suspicion that this ‘by invitation only’ thing is an attempt to sieve out cases like this that would out the ‘prophet’ as a charlatan after all. There is no way that the God of Heaven, the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, would validate a charlatan – who dubs in immorality, has faulty theology, sells trinkets, etc – through genuine signs and wonders. God cannot be in the company of such people! He cannot validate them. If miracles are happening there, they are not done by the Holy Spirit. So there is nothing like blaspheming the Holy Spirit when the Holy Spirit is not part of what they are doing. This their misuse of ‘touch not my anointed’, they have no clue what the anointing is, clearly, and what that verse means. They are just embarrassing themselves with this their ‘touch not my anointed one.’
Amen.
I was also struck by the bit about being arrested. To me that speaks to a disturbing level of abuse and brainwashing being leveled against these women. Arrested? FOR WHAT? For the “crime” of having a dying sister, seeking help from the scheister TBJ without his permission to come, and being from Botswana, where a newspaper published a negative article against TBJ? This is a crime? TBJ should have had them arrested?
Really, it frightens me the extent to which people worship him, and the extent to which he allows it. The extremism of the language. The inflating of TBJ’s importance, and the inflating of issues into “crimes” that should be severely punished. It is like a wife saying “My husband is so nice because he SHOULD beat me, I’m such an idiot, such an ugly failure of a wife, a stupid cow. But he only calls me names, and only when he’s really irritated, and I am so grateful that he tolerates me because who could find a man more amazing than this?” Toxic, toxic abuse. The same as inflating Biblical questions about his teaching into “blasphemy.” Incredibly disturbing. I am very concerned that there will be more deaths at SCOAN, and not “accidents,” but as a result of punishment. He is only a very short distance from the edge of jumping off that cliff into true, irreversible insanity on the scale of Jim Jones’ cult.
TBJ: A man with true humble grace and a heart of forgiveness would never even dream of putting this woman in such a situation, nor let her say such things even if she wanted to. NEVER. This is shameful posturing and marketing. All the more shameful to do it while standing on the back of a woman who is grieving and in so much pain already. SHAME ON YOU TB JOSHUA. And shame on all of you SCOANites who smugly watched this video and nodded and agreed with the brainwashed babble of this poor woman. In doing so you have participated in abusing her, and thrown mud at the name of Jesus Christ.
@ Angelica,
It was me who pointed this out to him over and over on his YouTube video channel. I wrote dozens of posts to him and even called him at home. I am glad he starts to see it now. I hope he will keep it up as he is doing now. I told him that regularly that his new videos are doing the right thing. All he needs to do now is drop these visceral videos from SCOAN and do his own.
@jesse
“You TB Joshua, you coward, you don’t dare to come out of your lair and evangelise the world personally having excuse of going to be killed.
I have travelled the world, I have faced adversary, opposition, shouting people, people who wanted to shoot me, stab me with their knives, fight me, hit me with their fists, opposed me, but it would not stop me to go anywhere where God told me:
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature”
jesse, what about TB Joshua and the muslims who are waiting for “courageous and passionate evangelists people like you and gary? It is easy to judge but never easy to show what you can do yourself.
I challenge jesse,angelica and gary to come out of “your hiding behind internet” and go into the world and evangelise to the MUSLIM including TB Joshua and stop wasting your time judging others when yourself you don’t show how many muslim you have changed.
If you think TBJ is “a muslim”,i suppose you would not expect him to evangelise to the muslim?!!! What about that? Gary,jesse and angelica,you should come out of your confusion and contradiction and spend the time you waste judging others by going into the world to evangelise to TB Joshua and the all muslims.
Will you keep casting out demons of muslims behind your screen without attending them physically like God instructed you to go into the world and preach the gospel?
Jesse and gary,i think you should confront the muslims first including TB Joshua and show the difference.
So we are cant wait to see the salvation of TB Joshua,scoan and the muslims through Gary,jesse and angelica because they are more spiritually than others.We want to see your work too.Faith without works is dead!
I leave you with this verses
Matthew 7:3-5 Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye
@ N.,
1. How do you know I already do this ? You thrive on more speculation than anyone here.
2. Again I said it before up there, go and take that skip full of planks and specks of your own eyes.
Where are you stationed in this world and go out on YOUR own without riding on somebody else’s coattails.
At least I am independent, what are you, I don’t rely on second hand me out from some deceiving preacher.
1 John 4:1 – Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Colossians 2:8 – Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Corinthians 6:9 – Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Matthew 7:21-23 – Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Read More…)
Revelation 17:8 – The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
1 John 1:9 – If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Romans 1:26-27 – For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (Read More…)
2 Timothy 3:13 – But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Romans 10:13 – For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10:9 – That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 6:23 – For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 3:18 – He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Mark 13:9 – But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
I say again that: “TB Joshua is a false, muslim, bantu ‘prophet’ dressed in a masonic jesuit dress”.
The chameleon.
@justwonder
you can go too into the world with jesse,angelica and gary to change TB Joshua into a human being instead of hating him forever.
@ N.,
That is what I am already doing, what about you ? Do you really think I am sitting at home ? There are several trips lined up already up to next year and you still complain,mod this do that. What does TB Joshua do ? He sits in Lagos hiding his hide, because I’d he was a peace maker why is he not standing on the UN convention to preach his peace making message and in the mean time he can start “delivering” all the UN Members of state, if God is with him that is. But his latest story is just to get us off him.
Mark 16. God already has given the command, why come with excuses if white light is guiding you. Ahem I though the Holy Spirit was A PERSON, not a white light. Keep being deceived you trickster. Don’t count me in your false worship of TB Joshua who can tell you anything without verifying yourself. You are not only foolish, but also dumb.
Why (?) trying to fool the very elect. ( Mark 13:22 ).
@jesse
“Don’t count me in your false worship of TB Joshua who can tell you anything without verifying yourself. You are not only foolish, but also dumbs”
Is this the best answer you ve got when you are trying to escape.
We are counting on you because you are the ones to see the bad of TB Joshua and Scoan.Are you not?
So we shouldn’t count on true evangelists like you to change the world?
So what you can do for the muslims of Scoan including TB Joshua is to sit on internet and judge them but not bring the solution for them?Why not them?Are they condemned by God already so as you may be counted to judge them and not be counted to evangelise to them and cast out the demons in them?.
“There are several trips lined up already up to next year and you still complain,mod this do that”
Are you not the one to claim TB Joshua is a muslim and uses satanic powers to cast out demons?
I suppose you should include Scoan in your several trips lined up for you next year if you are not foolish and dumb like us.
“Ahem I though the Holy Spirit was A PERSON, not a white light”
Obviously you can say anything when trying to escape your challenges, the holy spirit can manifest in different forms.
What about Luke 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from. heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased”
“Don’t count me in your false worship”?lol, I m really surprised to hear this when before you claimed to be a passionate evangelist with no fear to face any challenge. Who is a coward. TB Joshua does not say what he cant do.
Prove to the world your potential and include Scoan in your agenda.
Any way,i hope we shall count on you for judging TB Joshua and Scoan followers.
@ N.,
Why don’t you study these verses and put TB Joshua next to it ?
Romans 9:27 – Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Acts 20:29 – For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
John 16:33 – These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
John 14:6 – Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 8:58 – Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:44 – Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 1:1 – In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Luke 21:16 – And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and [some] of you shall they cause to be put to death.
Luke 16:19-31 – There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luke 16:1-31 – And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods.
Luke 12:40 – Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
Matthew 24:1-51 – And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Matthew 19:28 – And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matthew 18:1-35 – At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
Matthew 17:1-9 – And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Matthew 5:22 – But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Hosea 13:14 – I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.
Ezekiel 18:20 – The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Just compare them of what he says, this coward that does not want to go out and demonstrate Gods power as Jesus did in any town and village. Is he scared to be crucified or killed ? Why was Paul seeing his end and HE still went.
In 2 Corinthians 11:20-32 Paul provided a sampling of some of his adversities as a missionary. In comparing his experiences to those of some of the “most eminent apostles”, he wrote that he:
– worked much harder
– was in prison more frequently
– was flogged more severely
– had been exposed to death again and again (five times he received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one, three times was beaten with rods, once he was pelted with stones)
– was shipwrecked three times, spending a night and a day in the open sea
– was constantly on the move <~~~~~~~~~~
– had been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from his fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers
– had labored and toiled and had often gone without sleep
– had known hunger and thirst and had often gone without food
– had been cold and naked
– to escape arrest by the governor of Damascus, he was lowered in a basket from a window in the wall and got away
He concluded: "Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches" 2 Cor. 11:28
Stop the crap TB Joshua and N., get your suitcases ready and announced yourself to the world and the Devil that you are coming, hypocrites.
@jesse
Obviously you are trapped to your own words, that is why you keep talking too much as always but not show you can do yourself what you are saying.
TB Joshua and I will get our suitcases ready and announced ourselves to the world when you have come to evangelise to us and cast out the demons of kundalina power in us.
If you are not an hypocrite yourself why not come into the world and cast out the demons you see in Scoan.
N. We dont live by the law of the Old testament. We live by the Grace of the New Testament. There is no price to pay for beling guided by The Holy Spirit. The price is already payed for by Christ. Most churches mix OT and NT-promises. It devaluates the Grace Jezus wants to give us. TB Joshua and much other spirit-filled god-men, have created a burdensom mystical journey out of the free gift of Christ for us. Living by Grace is easy, it is beautifull and joyfull, being led by The Holy Spirit is a privilage. most chrisitans dont understand even the working of the Holy Spirit, so god-men can sell what-ever they want about The Holy Spirit. Tb Joshuas formula is not as bibly as you want to discribe it. He is more involve in ego-problems then you want to accept.
@jesse
“How do you know I already do this ? You thrive on more speculation than anyone here”
“What are you doing your self?”
Am I the one who is judging TB Joshua when I cant deliver him from your so called kundalina power and trickery and muslim preachings?
And I know already it because you haven’t yet delivered TB Joshua and the muslims in Scoan.That how I know it.
Am I thrive on more speculation than you do?are you sure?
Or you fear to hear some challenges? Don’t worry will not waste my time discussing with people who think are more spiritual and passionate evangelists to see the bad in people but cant offer them any solution than talking too much no sense along with judgement.
You can have your site and thrive more speculation yourself ,I will be back to discuss with you when you will be capable to exercise your evangelists power to Scoan.
By now you are a coward because you are enable to deliver TB Joshua and Scoan and the Muslims wen if you claim you are the one to know the bible can exercise it by going into the world which includes Scoan too.
It means you cant deliver them or evangelise to them and show them the light so God will more judge you than them when you were the one to know the truth but you never deliver them from the satanic power .
So they will continue in their way because no one is able to save them through your “going into the world” until you will be able to deliver them.
Jesse,anyway,I know you will never stop talking too much no sense when you cant offer any solution to Scoan, but of me I am off to waste my time for nothing when you cant deliver me TBJ and Scoan
@tbjoshuawatch
Thank you to give me the opportunity to ask help from the” so called “true evangelists” jesse ,angelica and gary to deliver TB Joshua, Scoanites and Muslims from the bad teachings of Islam and kundalina power they keep talking about without going into the world and confront them and deliver them from it like they want others to do….
@Jamie
Matthew 5:17-18Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfil it. 18″For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
You misunderstood me,the price I talked about is the consequences for not following the instruction given by God or any institution.For example many people contract the sexual transmissible diseases or undesirables pregnancy because of fornication.
Is it not the consequences for not following the instructions of God?this is the price I talked about not the price of our sins Jesus paid for.You can read above in which context I was putting the word”price”.
N. Thank you for your clear correction.
@ N.,
Should I care that you are hurt ? A scammer, a liar and cheater ?
You like your pretentious pissing like a dog against my personal fence do you ?
Concerning me going to Lagos, what were you thinking ? Me spending money to be beat up by security personel of SCOAN ? I guess you have nothing else to do than put me to the test don’t you ? In a country where thieves, murderers and scammers walk around freely because Nigerian police is as corrupt as possible even up to Mohammed Murtala airport where they ask you when you come down “what have you brought for me” and force you out of your money for stuff in their own pockets.
Go tell your Nigeria to scram and take their steel T beam out of their eyes before looking at me who has done nothing than good to others.
It’s not about who’s side their on. God is watching me and them. Nothing will be hidden what will be brought to the open and I only have to wait until Judgment will take place when it is due.
I can stand in front of God with my conscience free of deceit. Can you ? Or have you convinced yourself that God will look thru His Fingers ? Do you really ?
Any king and queen demons lately on Jupiter or Venus to report ? Or have they moved to the Banana and Coconut Republic in Nigeria where they make people believe in BS of garbage stories to entertain.
One question. How do you deliver people who deliberately lie and are not possessed ?
Revelation 21:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and SORCERERS, and IDOLATERS, and ALL LIARS<~~~~, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Welcome to HELL is written at the entrance. Make no mistake, keep your lies up.
@ N.,
Remember N.,
Mark 9:35-36
And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all. 36 And he took a child, and set him in the midst of them:and when he had taken him in his arms, he said unto them,
Mark 9:37
Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me:and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.
Why can’t we be children ? Children of the Father, sitting on His lap and smile. Why do you push us off condescending by your pathetic denial of being a true child of God. What are you ? Of course you want God to sit in your lap so you can tell Him what to do, right ? Mr. Big Blown Up Hot Air Balloon That Does Sssssshhh ! Got a leak somewhere, dude ?
@ N.,
“What about Luke 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove”
At least that is in the bible. Where is the rope of white light ? Please point out and justify.
Have you read that it is “like” a dove. Like as in sea as glass, roads as gold, gates as pearls.
Have you personally verified of what he speaks is true ? Did you test it ? Have you seen it yourself ? Why don’t you come up with a Jesus in a purple or a scarlet robe. Purple/Scarlet robe as in authority ?
You bible interpreters of Satan’s lair, even the early church fathers did not stink into such fables, stories and visions, they rejected them as anathema. If it was applicable or possible today you would be the Origen of this day. You all in SCOAN you take some and twist and bend it until it fits in your own convenient treacherous indoctrinal mould of irrational corrupt hell inspired thinking. For you is applicable as is written in Jude and you have nerve to go out on a limb and try to cheat the very elect and put them in hell if that was possible. Find some old stinking heretic orthodox Jew instead of me and see if he/she want to believe such fantasy stories.
@ N.,
“Your understanding physically instead of spiritually”
Oh though great Sage of the spiritual imaginary personal realm. Show us the real spirituality of your cunning deception which you so love to slither in the tickling ears of your followers. 1Timothy 4.
Why is it that this long promised overdue “deliverance” is going to take place in your imaginary,,”Distance is not a barrier”.Oh though great maniacal Sage of the super 3rd heaven where you dwell on a daily basis and show us your prowess of your dethroning of “Dictators”, “Principalities and Powers ” “And the Prince of the power of the Air” in the world that they have put out their ley lines over your local district that you are so impressively are imaginary dethroning ? How come all the time people are knifed down and shot where you live all over your country ? How come your imaginary demons from Jupiter and Mercury have not been demolished and bound and send to hell ? You lying scheming charismatic witch practitioner who looks like Frank Zappa. Any local gnats exterminated lately with Kybosh bug spray ? Any local warthogs observed as well ?
@ N.,
“Thank you to give me the opportunity to ask help from the” so called “true evangelists” jesse ,angelica and gary to deliver TB Joshua, Scoanites and Muslims from the bad teachings of Islam and kundalina power they keep talking about without going into the world and confront them and deliver them from it like they want others to do….”
Was I robed with a cult robe by Islamaniacs to be the “Peace maker ” ? Points to Boko Haran, why does he not sit among them and tell them to stop blowing up Nigerians ? Oh wait he only does that on his Emmanuel TV Boko Haran does not watch. Why waste time, how many have to be blown up ? How about Beggars Place ? Some amputated feet need to be grown on or wheel chairs supplied. How about the alleged Polio healings that take place in SCOAN, why not do on mass scale in Beggars Place, so they can get work instead of begging and moaning that nobody cares for them. Don’t forget to distribute “anointed water ” and booklets to people who are blind so they can get their eyes open. Or resurrect some local young died for nothing by spraying over them, if you claim the “anointed water” is “resurrection power” and light(e)ning of god.
You liars and scammers, 419 cheaters, put your actions where your mouth barfs and raffles. Before you start, why I am not doing it. Do I live in Nigeria ? Do I claim such bold claims ? Oh wait let me take a lame SCOAN excuse ” I am not God, go to Him”
You satanic charismatic shamanistic witchcraft practitioners, how long will you put up your lies. Your proven by me incompetence and useless bragging of being incapable moving Gods Hand concerning myself by producing more lies by the gallon for over 5 years concerning some simple problems that I had while I was attending in your smelly Jerusalem SCOAN. Do you want me to take you serious ? I am telling you it is easier for a whale to swim in the 500 day without rain Sahara dessert than convincing me with your abhorrent and despicable circus tricks and lies. You keep offending me with your continual filth and stream of sordid deception and representing a false jesus and a fake blood infused messiah that lives in SCOAN.
Proverbs 18:19
A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle.
You nasty piece of work Mr. N., why don’t you swallow what I wrote to you, you offensive humongous stumbling stone and hindrance and expresser of gobbledygook and of going through the world and find one miserable convert and turn them into twice the child of hell. How will you justify your answer when God asks you of what you did to me by telling me all your excuses and lame TB Joshua quotable quotes and of even being possessed with unknown never found in the Bible demons for over 10-12 years of where you sooo necessary had to be delivered from in the only place in the world called 7 day Hotel Jerusalem SCOAN experience. Why don’t you sod off and put your head into a vice and squash your demonic lies out of your almost eaten 120 feet whale tapeworm confused brainwashed TB Joshua brain.
All I can say that you are a bunch of lunatic asylum psychopaths.
@ TB Joshua and Wiseman and followers, disciples.
Here http://allafrica.com/stories/201309060138.html
How exactly did this so called prophecy come to pass ? Anything to edit today to make it look like it came to pass ?
When is everyone going to see that he TB Joshua got it wrong. Will he now confess he got it all wrong publicly ?
Has he already made an appointment with Boko Haram as the lands “Peace Maker”
Mr. N., when will you believe me ? Anyone when will you believe that TB Joshua Watch that many things here said are true ??? Confess your deception and turn to Jesus Christ alone as the Shepherd of your souls. Jesus Christ is Lord !
When a prophecy does not come to pass, it means God did not speak it, and that makes T B Joshua a liar and a false prophet. TBJ has so many false prophecies that make him a false prophet over and over and over again. Don’t be afraid of TBJ and don’t have any respect for any false prophet. This is not my opinion but the Word of God, and you can read it at Deuteronomy 18:22.
Wake up deluded people !
@ Mr Terrific
You are right on the money my friend, you are right on the money.
@jesse,just to remind you some of your contradiction
“this coward that does not want to go out and demonstrate Gods power as Jesus did in any town and village. Is he scared to be crucified or killed ? Why was Paul seeing his end and HE still went.
In 2 Corinthians 11:20-32 Paul provided a sampling of some of his adversities as a missionary. In comparing his experiences to those of some of the “most eminent apostles”, he wrote that he:
– worked much harder
– was in prison more frequently
– was flogged more severely
– had been exposed to death again and again (five times he received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one, three times was beaten with rods, once he was pelted with stones)
– was shipwrecked three times, spending a night and a day in the open sea
– was constantly on the move <~~~~~~~~~~
– had been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from his fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers
– had labored and toiled and had often gone without sleep
– had known hunger and thirst and had often gone without food
– to escape arrest by the governor of Damascus, he was lowered in a basket from a window in the wall and got away
He concluded: "Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches" 2 Cor. 11:28
Stop the crap TB Joshua and N., get your suitcases ready and announced yourself to the world and the Devil that you are coming, hypocrites"
Jesse,after recommending me and TB Joshua to take our suitcases like Jesus did and the apostles,this is how you respond to me when I asked you to first come and deliver us from the kundalini power you see in us:
"Should I care that you are hurt ? A scammer, a liar and cheater ?
You like your pretentious pissing like a dog against my personal fence do you ?
Concerning me going to Lagos, what were you thinking ? Me spending money to be beat up by security personel of SCOAN ? I guess you have nothing else to do than put me to the test don’t you ? In a country where thieves, murderers and scammers walk around freely because Nigerian police is as corrupt as possible even up to Mohammed Murtala airport where they ask you when you come down “what have you brought for me” and force you out of your money for stuff in their own pockets"
Jesse have you ever sit down a moment with calm and rethink what you write here and put it to the light and not find anything wrong in your words?Cant you not be like Apostle Paul too as you wish to TBJ and I?
May I remind you what you said above?
“You TB Joshua, you coward, you don’t dare to come out of your lair and evangelise the world personally having excuse of going to be killed.
I have travelled the world, I have faced adversary, opposition, shouting people, people who wanted to shoot me, stab me with their knives, fight me, hit me with their fists, opposed me, but it would not stop me to go anywhere where God told me:
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature"
Jesse before correcting TBJ should first correct yourself!
Everything about you is "contradiction"
@jesse, I thought yourself you don’t fear to face any challenge or to be killed as TBJ who said he may be killed as a reason for not going into the world as Jesus instructed his servants to do! Who is a liar now. Have you just admitted to be a coward like him!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha … Can You imagine a grandfather/mother wasting time in Gosip…Forget about what Prophet TB Joshua is doing and spend your remaining years preaching Jesus……IF I may ask ….All You Haters…WHAT DID PROPHET TB JOSHUA SAY AGAIST YOU ????…..
Open mind; The profhet said over and over again; to forgive him.
@ TBJW,
I found an old article which speaks volumes that someone can pretend to be a spiritual leader and it takes years before justice takes place.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/334259/Psychic-jailed-for-tricking-girl-into-performing-like-a-porn-star
If you thought it is not possible, really of a fact think deep and hard again.
This is usually the case. Sometimes, God’s justice may be swift, other times it takes so long but it comes. I was involved with Tony Alamo’s church in the USA, and the first day I arrived there, I knew I was in a cult. Tony was regarded as a “prophet and man of God,” and infallible. I told someone Tony was a false prophet and that got me into trouble and I had to leave a short while later.
Tony is not only a false prophet but also a liar, fornicator, adulterer and a paedophile, who taught false doctrines and deceived the people, just like T B Joshua is doing. His “ministry” lasted forty years, but is now serving 175 years in jail. Now all the ministry properties are being sold to settle debts.
The mill of God grinds slowly but grinds exceedingly well.
@ N.,
Quote of TB Joshua concerning his guiding “light(e)ning of God” He says, he does not come out if his house until it tells him to do so.
How do we know he is not playing with his Nintendo or Sony Playstation and his children ? And how about if we who work would do the same. Don’t go to work until a white light is guiding us. If that will be the case we will never arrive.
I don’t find this believable. It means that all those ministers who do not see the “white light” all need to stay at home or stop running their ministries until the “white light ” turns up. It looks to me that he is saying, I have got something that you don’t have, na na, na, nanenanaa. Tell me who has such “white light”, can I see fingers please ?
Does anyone here have the “white light” as their guide, or something else ? I am curious ? Please, weigh in, thank you.
How can we verify if he indeed has a “white light” to guide him as he claims ? Or is it more like a traffic light, red, orange, green ?
Imagine if you have to pay your insurance and you don’t pay for your car, moped, house and you have to wait on a “white light” to guide you, I am sure your insurance will run out by the time this purported “white light” turn up. I am sure the police will turn up as well and ask why you have not paid your insurance and your explanation is, well I am sorry, but I am waiting for a “white light” to show up before I pay for insurance. The police would say, they heck with your “white light” here you have a ticket and a court case day to attend for negligence of not paying your insurance.
Then bills, go eat, hoover the house, do the laundry, read bible, go pray, go sleep, errrr, if you wait for your “white light, etc. etc. you get my drift, eh ?
@ N.,
Quote of TB Joshua concerning his guiding “light(e)ning of God” He says, he does not come out of his house until it tells him to do so.
How do we know he is not playing with his Nintendo or Sony Playstation and his children ? And how about if we who work would do the same. Don’t go to work until a white light is guiding us. If that will be the case we will never arrive.
I don’t find this believable. It means that all those ministers who do not see the “white light” all need to stay at home or stop running their ministries until the “white light ” turns up. It looks to me that he is saying, I have got something that you don’t have, na na, na, nanenanaa. Tell me who has such “white light”, can I see fingers please ?
Does anyone here have the “white light” as their guide, or something else ? I am curious ? Please, weigh in, thank you.
How can we verify if he indeed has a “white light” to guide him as he claims ? Or is it more like a traffic light, red, orange, green ?
Imagine if you have to pay your insurance and you don’t pay for your car, moped, house and you have to wait on a “white light” to guide you, I am sure your insurance will run out by the time this purported “white light” turn up. I am sure the police will turn up as well and ask why you have not paid your insurance and your explanation is, well I am sorry, but I am waiting for a “white light” to show up before I pay for insurance. The police would then say, what with your “white light” here you have a ticket and a court case day to attend for negligence of not paying your insurance.
Then next bills, go eat, hoover the house, do the laundry, read bible, go pray, go sleep, errrr, if you wait for your “white light, etc. etc. you get my drift, eh ?
@ N.,
And of course you blame all those things upon me instead of TB Joshua who you so blindfolded follow because he has a “white light” that NO-ONE HAS ! Oh how dumb and stupid we are, why even bother to be a Christian at all, because we don’t have a “white light” and are blamed we don’t get it and we can’t look after ourselves and we can’t have a personal relationship with God, but have to go through another mortal man who you have put on a pedestal and worship as the only oracle in this world and that everyone has to listen to him then everything will be alright. I will talk to my neighbours about that in how they lost their husband and father that they had to come to TB Joshua with their troubles as well this Mr. wheelchair who is told that three are no elevators in SCOAN to facilitate him and distract his driver. And those people who have all these horrible diseases that never heal and you blame me for it that I can’t move Gods Hand as if I have a place where I can make fake videos to attract the convenient problems towards my premises and give them false hope when it not turns out as you all at SCOAN promise with conditional invitations. And you fall over if I watch Emmanuel TV or not ? Oh Pullease, sod off man.
@ N.,
And of course you blame all those things upon me instead of TB Joshua who you so blindfolded follow because he has a “white light” that NO-ONE HAS ! Oh how dumb and stupid we are, why even bother to be a Christian at all, because we don’t have a “white light” and are blamed we don’t get it and we can’t look after ourselves and we can’t have a personal relationship with God, but have to go through another mortal man who you have put on a pedestal and worship as the only oracle in this world and that everyone has to listen to him then everything will be alright. I will talk to my neighbours about that in how they lost their husband and father that they had to come to TB Joshua with their troubles as well this Mr. wheelchair who is told that there are no elevators in SCOAN to facilitate him and distract his driver not to pick him up. And those people who have all these horrible diseases that never heal and you blame me for it that I can’t move Gods Hand as if I have a place where I can make fake videos to attract the convenient problems towards my premises and give them false hope when it not turns out as you all at SCOAN promise with conditional invitations. And you fall over if I watch Emmanuel TV or not ? Oh Pullease, sod off man with that kind of drivel.
@jesse
Are you just making lame excuses too why you don’t move the “hand of God” if you can do it by yourself?you think the lame excuses will work for you not for TB Joshua,ehh no,it does not work for you either,look for the place too and move that”Hand of God” if you can do it by yourself and save people from”scammers” and stop blaming anyone.Is not God with you too???
@ N.,
One other thing concerning your fault finding with me.
While you swallow the humongous fattened water swollen inflated up camel called SCOAN and desperately try to push it through the smallest needle sin porch in Israel and ignore all its hundreds proven issues on the TBJW website, you come here and on the other side WTBJ to squeeze out the smallest microscopic negligible gnat issues in the entire world concerning of what I do or not do. Think about it.
@jesse
These are lame excuse too.you want to find away to escape from your own trap ,is it not?
@ N.,
If I tried to go to SCOAN they will use ushers, security personal to stop me or likely to beat me. This has nothing to do me being coward, but knowing I am wasting my time, effort, money and energy.
Are you now saying I am or should be the entire worlds police cop ? If you have common sense you know that that is impossible. Not even 1000 TB Joshua’s together could not do that in what you claim he can do.
You become more irrational and unreasonable by the post you post. Even belligerent and obnoxious. You don’t do squat either, all you do is deflect. I am not the one that says these places on camera, I will come. He does. I suggested to go on a plane to Syria in where I was deflected by some of you including you, that TB Joshua’s ministry is beyond me and I should not apply. Which is proving about wriggling out and displaying arrogance towards me and the rest of the world. They (on the other website) rejected it and tell me and you to go on my own, which I will without him at some point in the near future time, is totally fine with me. I don’t need a police motorcade, a nice mercedes nor trumpets and the presidential hotel room to say here I come.
One last thing about scammers, was Jim Jones a Scammer, Was David Koresh a Scammer, was Peter Popoff a Scammer, was Eddie Long a Scammer, the list is endless.
For all those I have to give what they want right ? As if the entire world evolves around me. Why can’t you move the Hand of God in all those places that I mentioned, can you ? Or give the rest of Nigeria what they want. Or stop Boko Haram, or all the rest of the poor people of the Sahel, or stop the wars in Mali, or convert every muslim in the world, even Hindu, your hands are tied just as much as anyone’s are. You cant do it either. So your lies are tiring me too.
if you knew who is irrational and unreasonable you would not think is me.Have ever seen anyone here telling TB Joshua to go into the world and preach when they don’t see im as true man of God???will you ever get it?i guess no cause I tried everything to show you your contradiction but you keep refusing to see your error.
If you believe TBJ is more evil than satan himself,how can you wish him to go into the world and preach?do you know what the work of evil?is to steal ,kill and destroy.So if you believe him as evil than satan,then you want him to go into the world to do more than this???
Evil is evil and good is good.Satan is satan and Gods is God.None cant turn into the other.
If you believe TBJ is a real servant of God say it and suggest what you would like him to do but what I don’t like is you “double tongue”can you ever get it?what is hard here to understand.But for jesse this so hard to understand that is why our discussions has turned into hatred and calling names!
@ N.,
Now you have SEEN the horrible Syria video and all the others of TB Joshua contradicting himself as Just Wonder proves and in where you claim that I did not move the Hand of God there and it is all my fault, which is preposterous, but anyways, NOW it is time for you to go, right now and put your actions where your mouth is and correct TB Joshua of his lies.
But ….you won’t because you condone the humongous waterlogged swollen camel actions in SCOAN that you so irrational and vehemently defend, extract money from, status and fake friendship and want to push desperately through that microscopic needle hole of self righteousness, falsehood and ego tripping.
@ N.,
After this comment I will not answer you anymore, because I have little interest in playing this silly ping pong with you and go nowhere in this discussion. Clearly there is no more point to cover and you and I can argue about it until we are blue in the face. Neither one will give up. Now go play with yourself or your train set telling yourself how you have failed to yourself what you are standing for.
@jesse
I will not answer you either you seem to furious to see your own falsehood and ego tripping!One time you claim you can go into the world with any cost on another hand you cant go because of scoan security will beat you whatever,lame excuses always,you can go play too with your train set telling yourself how you failed to show what you ve stood for by your own words.
It is easy to point out fingers on others than to do what you want others to do.
TB Joshua never said he will go to Syria but you did your self,you are a liar and a coward!
I have nothing to do with your lies,have enough of them by now.Go on and deceive yourself not me.
Jessie and company are just desparate ….ha ha ha ha ha whether u like it or not more than 99% of the people u know are going to SCAN and Prophet TB Joshua is gonna do the work of God…..What u guyz are doing is the last kick of a dying horse……keep kicking God is listining
@openmind
jesse is desperate more than anyone here. Having no money and branches for himself makes him envying other ministries.
@ All,
Just to round it off, the discussions you have seen here with those that are in SCOAN, will always go into a stalemate, because they want to. Unless you sit down keep your mouth shut and being brainwashed and be made a zombie and dance at the pipes of TB Joshua and Wisemen so they can continue to deceive you. Then you are just fine. Anything else you will be passed off as agents of the Devil.
Again an example how you can waste your time, money, efforts, years of your life and all that on all things SCOAN with no result or outcome.
When they say they have grown, they mean, shut up! Sit down, we know it all and be brainwashed with our lies and false hope and promises. When you say anything against them they will twist, turn, manipulate, oppress, possess, take away your identity, strip your personality, your whole life, deceive the very elect if it was possible, your family, your marriage, your money, everything and make you totally dependent upon them and not on God. And then tell you cackling and bawking, they are not selfish egotists and egoists ? Then they wonder when you walk away and why of still being in denial to be a cult. It is clear money can buy you anything all things SCOAN.
There is no branch anywhere, all bought in and hired people with money and from other African churches.
Here’s a comment by Chris Okotie from watchmanafrica.blogspot.co.uk on the fake prophet, TBJ:
The Bible is very clear concerning people like Joshua. It says in the book of Timothy in the first chapter, that their mouth should be stopped. When Jude wrote about them, he used some of the most offensive diatribes that you can ever imagine. These are not small matters. If you don’t destroy these people, they will turn into a canker that will destroy the society. It must be clearly understood that I am fighting as a man of God. I am not fighting Oyakhilome, I am not fighting Joshua.
I have a responsibility as a Christian to tell them what is going on just as President Olusegun Obasanjo is fighting corruption at his own level. There is a greater corruption in the spirit realm that is worse than you taking bribe or embezzling government fund. This is talking about eternal damnation that will destroy the spirit, soul and body; and the consequences are eternal. We have a greater responsibility to warn our people. We are dealing with men working under mysticism.
The Scripture being referred to here is Titus 1:11, not Timothy, please.
I gues we have to forgive the level of christ-consiousness in the africans and TB Joshua. The war-far is in the own mind, and I gues the africans still have a lot of dark un-consious areas and corners to battle and over-come. They are seriously involved in all sorts of occultic realms. Their mind-battles with the evil is on very primitive levels. Tb Joshua is a sort of hero for them, as a mother who demands away the fantazy-lion under the bed of a axious child. The fact is , TB Joshua is him-self not free from his inner battles with evil, as; greed, adultery, violence, might, dirty tricks, harming others etc etc. Who can we blame? I gues God sees tb Joshua as His most beloved problem-child.
To become harmed by TB Joshua means that you have cooperated with his doctrine and intimidations. You have let it happen that his evil-doeings could have a grip on you. In fact he is a coward and a big mouth.
@ all,
The Hand of God IS moving over Syria as N., denies.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/10/20416189-syrias-foreign-minister-well-declare-chemical-weapons-sign-arms-ban?lite
According to N., TB Joshua is not involved. Lets just wait if he will post an edited prophecy and claim his name to fame.
So the hand of God is moving over Syria because jesse went there to preach???Does he trying to claim his name to fame too!!!
@ all,
I heard from someone there is a video going around where a person who is infiltrating SCOAN is grabbed by dozens of ushers and security Personel last Sunday.
The person seems to be carried off through the side doors.
Question now is. If TB Joshua is untouchable why did they not let him go and TB Joshua could show us how he would deliver him in front of the camera. Clearly this was a real breach of security and could only be stopped by physical force of manpower.
Then N., wants me to go to SCOAN and be humiliated like this ? I have been confronted like that in the past a couple of times somewhere else only to know what cowards they are and can use only physical force instead of their claimed spiritual protecting powers. So I rather have chosen not to go like a dog returning to their vomit or a swine to roll in the mire. I can tell you, N., does not know me at all. I have said before I fear no-one, even my own wife and other people say that, but there is something as common sense and restraint when you know when you are wasting your time, money, energy and effort in matters like that.
I watched it in Emmanuel tv,dont try to make it scandalous and try escaping as a lame excuses,this person entered inside running as a fool when TB Joshua was in the middle of his sermon,so wat do you expect?if you are making trouble in the church,they have to put you in the side and calm you down.Oh still looking for lame excuses,oh does it work oh no no no.
Sometimes its hard to hide what is in the inside of a pot,kettle,white because it is too transparent to hide anything there!When it gets too hot it exploses everything that was hidden inside.God bless you!
Yeah, I apologize, Jesus was in a sermon and they brought a boy demon possessed and all the disciples and ushers were stopping the situation. Surrreeee.
I am glad that Jesus was always ready to do what God required from Him. On the fly. No organized crime there…..
Here you are saying the truth”they brought”not he rushed himself to Jesus.When they brought him,it means they had already taken his trouble by hands and brought him to Jesus.
This is what the ushers did too so as they may bring him to TB Joshua if the person was making trouble to see TBJoshua.
Who knows what this person was trying to do when he just rush inside the church like that!!!Jesse,because yourself when you were preaching those whom you said tried to shoot you, stab you with their knives, fight you and hit you with their fists, so you mean no one tried to stop them???really?if it was you couldn’t be here talking.
@ N.,
The late Benson Idahosa as well me have faced these matters. They just punch you and it is ok, they try to stab you and they just can’t bring themselves to do it. When they raise the gun at you you look them square in the eye without fear and they will lower it and when you remind them they will go to prison for life and they just all of a sudden realise they are doing something seriously wrong. Also when you call upon the Name of Jesus they usually run away. You seem to forget that God is always in control even then. If you have to die because of it, it is a day of promotion. No big deal. Being with Jesus is better than a thousand days elsewhere. Remember this.
Ecclesiastes 10:8
He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it; and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him.
Do not break the hedge that is put around you by God. It’s there to protect you and only if God allows.
I accept your apology. I just pointed out to you that you can stand opposite of each other and argue until we are blue in the face. And you can receive my apology as well, if I said something not nice.
@ N.,
Take it up the chin, dude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_black is a English saying and idiom.
When you have figured it out why, then calmly sit down and write a real post. So after that, please excuse me, I have to visit my constituence. They are calling for me to attend. Thank you.
@ n.,
Automatic writing error. CONSTITUENTS. Pardon me.
@jesse
It is ok,i have understood.Thank you too to be humble,i really appreciate may God bless you!And sorry too for whatever I said to you and you didn’t like.
@N,
My friend this is just an idiomatic expression, which simply means someone criticizing another for a fault which they have themselves. You can check many idiomatic expressions from ” First Aid in English,” or from ” The Student’s Companion,” which are readily available in Ghana and Nigeria. Pot calling the kettle black has nothing to do with white or black.
@Mr terrific
Hello,i know I made a mistake cause I didn’t know the meaning before.Thanks.
Is this new? John Zalvarious, whoever he is, comissioned by TBJ to bring annoingint water to the US? http://anointingwaterny.wordpress.com/
Thanks for the link. Looks like it’s been going on for sometime behind our backs, but there’s nothing hidden that will not be exposed. People are very, very, desperate and will follow false prophets and shepherds no matter what.
Mr Terriffic, YOU GO BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF GOOD TASTE as usually. You are without any Christian taste to a fault. What you did was beyond the bounds of acceptable behaviour. You are closed in your own slandering shell beyond all bounds.
People learn to shut yo mouth if u don’t ve anything to say. In tha might name of Jesus watever u do with the annoiting water matters but wat u must knw even demons knw that e annointing water waz touched from above en ther is nothing u can say abt it. Keep blabbing until kingdom come in Jesus name
@ All,
New interesting facts of holy water seems to contain fecal matter.
http://healthyliving.msn.com/blogs/daily-apple-blog-post?post=0a972686-a8a6-4081-b020-c5c12c72cc34&_nwpt=1
It would be very interesting if anyone would test the “anointed water” and see what is in it……
Me thinks this could be a good debate after that.
When you are going to create a new topic to do slandering?
We are watching TBJoshua with the eyes of an eagle and will swoop on him as soon as he makes any satanic move. We know he is very cautious now, but we are very confident that he will soon make a satanic move because the leopard can never hide its spots no matter how hard it tries.
to sympathizers of TB Joshua:and others : you must note that TB joshua sells his water in his place of worship for between 25 and 50 dollars. Many people have attested to this. So this is further evidence that the Scoan is a money making business.
Yes, greedy and unscrupulous preachers like TBJ have turned the “church” into a money-making business, but their judgement is coming and has come. Ezekiel 34:3-11;2 Peter 2:3.
Folks, This is about doing things “At will” and what God actually does in this and the difference thereunto.
“At will” means a believer makes a decision, on his own, to initiate or attempt to duplicate a particular sovereign, supernatural experience. The individual wants a particular supernatural experience to happen so badly, he will do anything, (within his power), to make it happen – to force it, to duplicate or copy it, whether or not it is God’s sovereign will. Rather, a believer should allow God to SOVEREIGNLY cause it to happen at His chosen time, as we see recorded in all similar bible examples.
When a believer unwisely exercises his (soulish) human will, outside of or in conflict with the sovereign will of God, (anything contrary to the written word of God, the bible), he is producing a seemingly supernatural (source unclear) experience, from his own will or “at will”. This is the meaning of “at will.” “At will” is self-will, and self-will can be sinful, and can lead to all kinds of spiritual deception and questionable practices.
The question of supernatural sovereign experiences “at will”
Do I believe in third heaven experiences? Absolutely, I do. The bible supports such sovereign experiences as in the example of Paul in II Cor.12. Do I believe in being physically transported? Absolutely, I do! But all this by a sovereign act of God, for e.g. Phillip was physically transported (Acts 8) from one location to another. So if it’s in the bible I believe it! I believe it all! Amen!
However, there is a HUGE difference between God willing YOU to have a certain sovereign bible experience, (like Paul or Phillip) as opposed to you willing it, or trying to make it happen, to duplicate it through mere human effort or merely through the exercising of your human or soulish will, in other words, “at will.” These bible experiences were 100% sovereign. They did not happen because these individuals willed them into existence or willed them to happen. God and God alone initiated them – He and He alone willed them. This is the very nature of a sovereign experience: God makes it happen when He wants, where he wants, and with whom He wants. Period! And they usually happened when the candidates or recipients least expected it. Why? Because these were sovereign events, not planned or initiated by man, but by God.
When discussing a sovereign experience there is a big difference between initiating versus cooperating. God INITIATES all sovereign experiences, the believer COOPERATES with them. Mix the two, crisscross them, and this can lead to some real doctrinal confusion and counter-productive measures.
It’s all about God’s sovereignty…
The critical issue with operating in the supernatural is: who is initiating what or who is “willing” what? Teaching believers that by following certain steps, teachings, formulas, and/or merely exercising their own human wills, they can duplicate any sovereign supernatural experience is dangerous and unscriptural.
One cannot go to heaven like Paul or be transported physically like Phillip simply because they or you want to, or because they feel like it, (at will). Teachings like this often cross over into dangerous methods and techniques that resemble new age, mysticism, spiritism or other occult manipulative practices. A believer cannot and must not force, manipulate, or otherwise attempt to reproduce a sovereign supernatural bible experience by merely following a method, a series of steps, or worst of all “willing it” to happen.
Whether we are discussing being translated in the spirit or transported physically, or any supernatural sovereign experience we read about in the bible, the critical difference between whether it is God or not is who “willed” it to happen: Was it you or was it God? If you willed it to happen, it ceases to be a sovereign, God ordained, supernatural, bible experience, and you risk experiencing a counterfeit.
It Is Time To Dust Off Your Bible!
Picture in your mind, if you will, the image of an unused dust-covered bible. Now picture in your mind that this same dust-covered bible is your bible! This is not a good image to be sure, especially for a bible believing Christian in 2011. Sadly, many Christians now read more books about the bible then they do the bible itself. Consequently, many in the church have gradually, and somewhat unknowingly become biblically ignorant, unaware, or stunted. And doctrinally speaking, anything goes. There is now wide-spread acceptance of “marginal to heretical” doctrines. Just 25 years ago individuals would have been thrown out of the church if caught teaching these heresies. How did this happen? Simply, we have become biblically ignorant. We have not been diligent to feed on the unadulterated Word of God. We are at best malnourished and in some cases starving to death. Biblical ignorance is on the increase in the church, even to epidemic levels! Like any form of “lack” created by ignorance which can lead to sickness, only the proper “intake” or in these cases, only proper biblical education can remedy it.
“Warning: We live in an age of “anything goes” theology! The charismatic church is in big trouble!” And we go for it and THINK it is God that does something. While most of it comes from the Asian Countries, Kundalini Powers, Shakti Pat, Psychic revelations, Chakra readings and the like. They all have crept in the church as is.
So, here is my 2011 “prescription” for this beautiful but biblically challenged, even unhealthy, bride.
1. Orthodoxy! I would like to prescribe a good healthy dose of the written Word of God, the bible and the thorough study of it. Stop following strange phenomena. The church needs an immediate injection of the truth! We must all pray for the church to return to the orthodoxy (traditional belief) of scripture. This means a return to the proper reading, INTERPRETATION, and application of the bible in our lives. There is a growing trend towards some really bad doctrine out there. And we, the church, must put a stop to it! If we don’t, no one else will! The church must begin to police herself against unorthodox (false) teaching and bizarre practices. You must reacquaint yourself with the scriptures and know your bible.2. Berea! We must pray for a “Berean Revival” in the church – a revival which returns us all to our roots – our roots in the Word of God. In the bible, the original Bereans were believers who “searched the scriptures daily to find out whether these things be so”. There is a lot of doctrine currently in circulation in the charismatic church that is highly questionable – even heretical. Each believer must begin to “search the scriptures” for himself to discover whether what he is believing is biblical or not (Acts 17:11). Stop unequivocally trusting ministers and their pulpits to always and completely preach the truth – some do, some do not. You need to search and know the scriptures for yourself. If their teachings sound too good to be true – they very well may be! Know your bible.
2. Preach the Word! (II Timothy 4:2) It is time for the church to return to her basic bible beliefs (fundamental doctrines) and the core values these fundamental doctrines produce. Peripheral doctrines or beliefs are peripheral for a reason, and can lead to dangerous theologically positions and questionable practices. We must stop extracting obscure, vague, single, solitary verses out of context, and stop trying to make major “sound” doctrines out of them. This “stretching of the truth” must stop. Some of our so-called “proof texts” do not prove what’s being preached at all. We are “twisting the scriptures to our own destruction.” We must again major in major doctrine and minor in the minor ones. My personal word to all Pastors/ Teachers for 2011 is simple: “Preach the Word!” Know your bible.
3. OVER EMPHASIS ON ANGELS: Yes, they are real. But an angelic visitation is a rare and precious event. Most Christians will never have an encounter with one. And it is extremely unlikely that a Christian will be visited by an arc angel. Michael and Gabriel were given specific, significant, world changing tasks in the scriptures. It is likely that they have more important things to do than to drop by your house for a visit! Outrageous teaching this is.
• Going into trances at will: SEE INTRODUCTION
• Trance dancing: I have been unable to find this in the bible. Can you ?
4. Seducing Spirits! (I Timothy 4:1-4) There has been loosed on the church for 2000 years a literal army of demons who sole task is to deceive the church! Unfortunately, these deceiving, seducing, spirits are enjoying some of their most successful efforts. Why? The average believer does not know his bible. The bible is absolute truth, forever settled in heaven. It is our sword of the Spirit – two edged and deadly. To be bible ignorant is to have no offensive weapon against our enemy Satan. Our ONLY defense against our enemy is a proven offense. And our proven offense against this hoard of demons is the written Word of God, the bible. Jesus wielded this same written word-sword against Satan in the wilderness with great results. So should you! I hear the church saying again, “DEVIL, IT IS WRITTEN!” It does not matter what you think, feel, sense, or even believe. It does not matter what experience you claim to have had, or how many trips to heaven you claim to have made, or how many angels you claim to know on a first name basis. The only thing that matters is what God said in His Word. Know your bible
Prophets! As a Prophet, Jesus Christ enjoyed only a very brief season of popularity, followed by His crucifixion as a falsely convicted criminal. Many prophets will suffer the same fate in 2011. I fear that the season of popularity for many prophets is over. As James wrote, “As an example of SUFFERING, take the prophets.” But there were false prophets also among the people, as there shall be also among you false teachers, who shall bring in by the bye destructive heresies, and deny the master that bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction; and many shall follow their dissolute ways, through whom the way of the truth shall be blasphemed. And through covetousness, with well-turned words, will they make merchandise of you: for whom judgment of old is not idle, and their destruction slumbers not. (2 Peter 2:1-3) Know your bible !!
And the list can go on and on, but this one should be clear. Never Jesus was charging for His Love, His Word, His Revelations about you. Prophets should be in the 5 fold ministry in the Church, not a loner that goes and operates on their own, somewhere. We must stop following these deceivers that only are interested in filthy lucre and don’t care about bringing in souls for the Kingdom of Heaven.
I hope I have helped here to give a little 2 cents of my contribution about false prophets and how to discern them and flush them out.
I hope these post will make it to several websites and blogs, so that we can put false prophets to shame.
@ all,
I said this in 2011, the same is happening in 2013, 2014 and beyond. Know your Bible and know the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Ancient of Days !
Yesterday a Lady became delivered by wise-man Daniel. The anoiting was extreem violent, the lady was held in controle by 3 workers, pulled on her hair, and Daniel tried to declair her free for 3 times, but it did not happend, she became totaly mad under the anoiting, bounched her head on the ground, and was un-controlleble. At last they turned the camera away from her, and presented a new person to be delivered, with cameras from a different standpoint. We where not allowed to see what happened to the lady. I dont understand why people go there, while the violence and hardship of the anoiting is so obvious. It is not a normal anoiting. Its a scary voilent force.
@ Jamie,
Mr Daniel is a violent aggressive arrogant man himself, he pushes, knocks over, grabs at hair, uses his flat hand to throw and push people over. Observed that dozens of times. Then they call that anointing ? There was a clip about a “high priestess of hell” who was so called “delivered”. Almost every post under that clip people responded that it was fake. It was fake, she lied and lied and lied as if from a script. It was not a demon who spoke there, it was herself. Later she “testified” about Jesus and how she met Him in the Spirit and that she could touch Him. Mawhahahaha. Nobody can touch Jesus without being instantly delivered. She told she “needed” TB Joshua to be delivered and had to go compulsory go to SCOAN in doing so, yeah ? really ? How come that someone that claims to have eaten human flesh and drink human blood all of a sudden knows everything about the Christian lifestyle she never lived or as she claimed could not live. All she claimed was doing evil and be involved in evil. While TB Joshua stood smirking with his golden shirt about how much lies this one could barf out a minute. She continued to tell bizarre stories that EVERYONE who looks at pictures they are instantly possessed !!!! And that all the “categorized” she mentioned demons would take over in an instant and control people.
This is now the deception I am talking about. They think that everyone is demon possessed and must go to SCOAN to receive “deliverance”. With whatever means, rubber-band, “anointed water, various varieties, cloth, whatever. This girl has studied “marketing” by reading out a script she has in her head and twisted it for the benefit of SCOAN to gain and attract gullible not knowing their bible people that live not the godly life God is yelling them to do. They compromise, they are reckless, irresponsible, foolish and mislead by their own lusts and greed and go for the first hand out they can lay hold upon. Putting up a scene is home in Nigeria and the theatrics of Nollywood SCOAN is for everyone to discern, but they rather go with the deceiving flow instead of standing up and tell everyone how duped they are. Pity that so many are involved in it full time and carve themselves a career out of it. I could not do it, nor will I ever, knowingly I have been fooling people with deception willingly.
ERICA October 3,2013
Do people really read their bibles,if we do ,we should ask the Holy Spirit to give us understanding.T.B Joshua referring to an ordinary tap water as the blood of JESUS CHRIST simply means CHRIST did left His blood to His apostle to start selling? of which is not true because the bible tells us JESUS’S promise to His apostle was the Holy Spirit JOHN 14:26 which they recieve in ACTS 2.was TB Joshua there on the spot when JESUS was crucified to collect his blood or do we see him been mention as one of the apostle? he claiming an ordinary water to be the blood of CHRIST and even for the salvation of your soul means he had actually denied the birth ,dead and resurrection of Jesus as being irrelevant of which the bible called such people antichrist 1 john 2 : 22.
Regrettably, many who claim to be Christians don’t know the Bible, and they follow men like TBJ who is not even saved nor does he know the Bible, but he continues to deceive people who are even more intelligent than himself, because he has a little knowledge of the Bible which these people don’t have at all. They look to him as their messiah, deliverer, “papa,” “mama,” “daddy,” and what have you, and until they wake up from their delusion, TBJ will continue to ride on their back like his slaves.
Children of God, lets face reality, T.B. Joshua is a servant of God. Base your faith upon God and believe his phrophets. 2chronicles 20 :20. Honestly ever since i met with these mighty annointing in the emmanuel tv , i have found peace , and it is one of the medium God is using. If you believe it is water, it will be water. STAY BLESSED
ROAM AS YOU LIKE GUYS, I GUESS THIS IS THE BONA FIDE ARENA THAT IS CONTROLLED BY JESSE AND CO DECAMPEES, READING COMMENTS FROM TB JOSHUA WATCH FOR THE FIRST TIME, I HAVE ALSO WATCHED SCOAN SUNDAY SERVICES :LIVE,THE CRITICS OF TB JOSHUA JUST HAVE NO SUBSTANCE,THEY ARE LY DEPRIEVING PROSPECTIVE FAITHFULLS FROM GETTING THEIR BLESSINGS AT SCOANON