Here’s one celebrity visit to SCOAN you won’t be hearing about on official SCOAN channels. Martin Tumenta Chou, Major General and Commander of the United Nations Multi-Dimensional Integrated Stabilization Unit in the Central African Republic (MINUSCA) has died at the age of 61. It has been widely reported that he passed away at SCOAN while seeking healing.
There’s not much more we know about the situation, but you can read more in the links that follow. We’re not commenting at all on the rumours that he was killed, the links below are just evidence that his death happened at SCOAN. Our sympathies go out to his friends and family.
http://themedianpaper-yde.blogspot.com/2015/12/death-of-gen-tumenta.html
http://cameroonjournal.com/national-news/was-gen-tumenta-martin-killed/
http://www.cameroonweb.com/CameroonHomePage/NewsArchive/Did-the-French-kill-Gen-Tumenta-347088
Many people who seek healing at SCOAN die soon after. An investigative journalist named Jacques Pauw produced a documentary on TB Joshua a few years ago . He tells of the fate of several people “healed” by TB Joshua:
“Wium Basson died within days of returning to South Africa. Maxie Claasen, suffering from brain, liver and breast cancer but declared healed by TB Joshua, also died shortly after returning home…
John Rindel went for an AIDS test at a private clinic in Johannesberg. He called me minutes after he had recieved the results. “I’m still HIV positive,” he said. “I’m sure it’s a mistake. They make mistakes with these tests, you know?”
“I hope they did, John,” were the only words of consolation I could think of.
“I might go back to Lagos,” he said. “I want the prophet to pray for me again.”
John Rindel never made it back to Lagos. He died a few months later.”
We’ve also told the story of Anna who died after being “healed” of breast cancer, and ex-disciple Giles lost his mother again after “healing” by TB Joshua. Even TB Joshua’s (former) evangelist John Zavlaris lost his wife after she was prayed for by TB Joshua. All of the cases listed above are in addition to the 3 deaths reported by the BBC and Sky News. Others such as Judith and Beth would have died if it wasn’t for last minute intervention by medical professionals. If you are considering visiting SCOAN for healing, we strongly advise you to not waste your life and your money.
TB Joshua Watch 
rubbish,rubbish i went to scoan but i got healed,who are you to mislead us?do u pay for people to go to scoan??? everybody is going to die a different way,some die while at hospital?could you advise them not to go there?how many die from airspace and car accidents could you advise them not to use cars and planes??only stupid people like you will buy your story,your stories are slowly boring and boring,if you got no interesting story why dont you keep quiet and maybe try smthing that could benefit your life?
@ mist,
Please post your proof online with a link independent from SCOAN. I want to investigate your doctor, your surgeon, your hospital with your consent ? So give me your consent and I will be going from there ? Until then I refuse to take your word for it.
He is trying to tarnish man of God’s name for no reason but i tell you it won’t work at all he is just wasting his time touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm.
Mr John,
Proverbs 11:29 He who troubles his own house will inherit wind, And the foolish will be servant to the wisehearted. 30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, And he who is wise wins souls. 31 If the righteous will be rewarded in the earth, How much more the wicked and the sinner!
Good day Mist. Could you please share with us how you got healed at Scoan church.
Do you want thousands of people to share with you alone how they got healed at Scoan ? WHO ARE YOU ? Take 2 hours daily watching Emmanual tv to see proof of miracles. I can tell you threre are many NGO paid to search proof .. how many years since ! Try to get in contact with those ONG.
@ Domi DG,
Since you are from Douala, Cameroon. Please state your hospital and doctor that confirmed your healing as genuine ? Stop beating around the bush. Thank you.
believing wether TB Joshua is a man of God or not doesn’t take me to heaven; it is believing in Jesus who came in the flesh. what is this man that you stant to insult your brothers for? when Jesus was taken from his disciples at the garden didn’t He tell them to put back their swords?e why do you insult your brother? is that what He thought you. you have been healed? good. Praise God, give testimony… your attitude doesnt tell of someone who is full of gratitude towards his Creator
May his soul rest in peace
TB Joshua is not God neither does he claim to be. He is a vessel God uses to heal, bless and deliver. That someone died there does not mean TB Joshua is the cause, the man was already going to die. Let’s stop looking for faults in this man of God. No one in this world is perfect neither are you.
‘If you are considering visiting SCOAN for healing, we strongly advise you to not waste your life and your money” Indeed! You people on tbjwatch think faith healing is like using a vending machine – you insert a coin, press a button and voila you are healed – without any active work from yourself of exercising your faith. People go to hospitals they die in their numbers; does that mean people should not go to hospitals any more? Why was this supposedly intelligent general under treatment at the best facilities in the USA transferred with is own consent and that of his family to the SCOAN. It means they have checked the track record of SCOAN with respect to healing.
It must be noted that it is not the prophets decision to heal anybody. It is Gods decision. The prophet is only a vessel. If you want to know why you were not healed, ask God and not the prophet. Even Jesus’s disciples were not able to drive handle all the sicknesses presented to them, why should you expect TBJ should heal them all? Millions of people get healed at SCOAN (including myself remotely). The fact that a few have died does not make it statistically significant enough to conclude that ALL the healings are false. Your opposition to TBJ is so strong you have now been completely blinded even by the obvious. TBJ himself will die one day! Why is it a big deal people dying at SCOAN when they are already terminally ill and probably should have been sent to a hospice and prepared for death in the case of this general it he was abroad. To suggest that he was murdered probably becos TBJ did not stop his imminent death is absurd. This is just crazy! Where was his own faith?
If it is God’s decision to heal then visiting this shaman is rather pointless, right?
And this is our point, many deluded folks imagine to increase their chances of a supernatural encounter by paying thousands of dollars to this man not to mention transport and accommodation and buying silly amulets and charms
@Newman
Don’t be ridiculous!
You said: “You people on tbjwatch think faith healing is like using a vending machine – you insert a coin, press a button and voila you are healed…”
Try and tell that those who save & even borrow money to make the trip to SCOAN.
As far as we know hospitals don’t have 24 hour TV channels advertising healings to entice the public to come with all manner of sicknesses. Hospitals don’t claim to cure HIV/AIDS either. SCOAN does these on a grand scale.
You said: “Where was his own faith?”
Ludicrous! Let me ask you this:
Where was Lazarus’ faith when he was raised from the dead by Christ? (John 11 1-44)
Where was Tabitha’s faith when she was raised from the dead by Peter? (Act 9:40)
Where was Eutychus’ faith when he was raised from the dead by Paul? (Act 20:9-10)
In fact there are many miracles in scripture where the faith of the receiving person was irrelevant, but God wanted to show His power & glorify himself. Don’t try to sell your silly excuses here.
Excellent rebuttal.
How do you blame the miracle seeker’s faith?
If it works, TB Joshua is of God, if it fails, it is faithlessness on the miracle seeker so TB Joshua is still of God. Either way, TB Joshua is always vindicated.
Yes and I am fed up about that kind of replies from them.
It’s always another persons fault when it does not pan out.
Shame on Nick Vujicic as author lifewithoutlimbs.org who has no “faith” to fix his personal problems. Shame, shame, shame.
We are not blind, we see right through your charlatan cheat and your excuses.
Millions ?
How come that when we visited SCOAN with varicose veins, bunion toes, ankle problems, alzheimers, dementia, hip problems, eye problems, glasses problems, just to mention that NO-ONE, NO-ONE was healed. Not one.
The next visit was exactly the same. And visiting the branches resulted in the same. Not even to mention that one of the leaders refused to let a blind girl into the prayer line and to her and her minder to go watch Emmanuel TV at home.
Dying from natural causes is not the problem here. What is showing here that the man was desperate and spend all their means to get healed and did not. So it was with the President of Ghana, Atta Mills. So it was in Omar Bongo, president of Gabon. Of which TB Joshua visited by private plane.
And we are very well aware that TB Joshua is not the healer and that Jesus is the Healer.
But here is the thing, they claim “God is with them”. He clearly is not. Because all who would come to get healing would get healed if it was in the Name of Jesus. They came because they had faith that they can get healing, but did not get it because they were duped like first to walk up the stairs in SCOAN to the highest level to see if you can. If not they whisk you else where and you can sit somewhere in the church.
I know of a man that was wheelchair bound for many years, he used to be able to walk before and got an accident in the car. He begged and petitioned so many times to go to SCOAN, but SCOAN held off his access by telling him over and over they had not such a elevator to get him inside the church. While he was in one branch he got an heart attack. Even though they were spraying and spraying with the “anointed water”. I do not know if he is still alive, but I met him once in a computer shop and asked how he was and helped him with his struggles and still asked if he was invited to come to SCOAN in Lagos. He told me no. And everyone can see that he was a real big time wheelchair bound person and that a super miracle for him would have to take place. But they knew that they did not want to take the risk that he would not be healed they held him off to travel there.
The “anointing water” did not do anything either. Zip, nada, niente. Even though they sprayed nearly every week upon him. Nor did it prevent his heart attack.
The “millions” of people that are supposedly healed I am convinced they are from other churches who do exactly the same thing inside their. Such as the Redeemed Church of Adeboye, The Winners’ Chapel of David Oyedepo with the promise that Goodluck Jonathan would win if they brought their voting cards to him, Walter Magaya whom TB Joshua is his matey and they just keep circulating people with false testimonies to suck your money out of your pocket with printed testimonies on Hospital letterheads. Nobody is able to get hold on those letter heads to investigate whether they are really used by the hospital or just stolen from the admin room to print their own stories upon and give the hospitals involved new ambulances, medicines, and other gifts. One hand covers the other by progressing both by deception. No-one can track it or check it because they will not allow you.
SCOAN is a scam church. And they are not alone. Many in Africa operate like that. That is why you can’t come into their inner circle, because they all know.
Also I believe that is why they support to subsidize people with grants for study from SCOAN so they can secure SCOAN’s future with infiltrating the graduates in big companies and government organizations to have inside information of his megalomaniacal prophecies that have no use and more access to certain things to peddle themselves forward with that.
That is why you see other ministries building their own universities to send out their spies for those ministries and infiltrate everywhere to gather information for those that let them study. They will never bite the hand that fed them.
Prove me that I am wrong about that.
according to this link john chi is coming to the united states for an April- May 2016 conference. he is also from Cameroon.
http://www.hungrygeneration.net/about/raisedtodeliver2016/
Interesting. I wonder how this has gone down with SCOAN HQ? Will hungry generation get thrown under the bus like Zavlaris and SCOAN Athens soon?
Why waste so much time on TB Joshua’s healings? Shut Up and let God judge him. I have followed him well and I believe God is on his side, he is human also and not God and bound to era but a man so selfless, compassion and good heart. You are heaping cases on yourself. Concerate on what you do save your time for better things.
Jessie, you have given yourself away. You have given the impression you are a christian seeking only the truth. But from your blog, it is obvious you are not a christian so stop masquerading as one. Get the point clear – TBJ IS a vessel! only a very lucky one. He makes no secret of that. He will pray for you but it is God’s decision to heal. If somebody does not get healed ask God not TBJ or the vessel that was used. You talk as if the individual has not responsibility to exercise his faith – if not healing would have been like a vending machine. I maintain that it is not. As for the anointing water the problem is this – IT WORKS for those who apply it in faith! Peroid! TBJ explains faith is the currency with which you purchase your miracle. If say $10 worth of faith is needed for your problem and you exercise $5 worth, you get no results till you increase your faith.
Your explanation of the rational for christian ministries building schools, and sponsoring educational programs is equally flawed. And the fact that you think all churches in Africa are like that is twisted too. Actually that is what has given you away as no christian so you need to stop masquerading as one. Most of us (probably including you) had access to education because of faith-based schools. We were not trained as church spies! Education is one way of spreading the gospel. Your argument is desperately flawed! Your hatred for TBJ is making you rather blind to even this obvious. You still have not explained why desperate first-timers (like this general) still go to SCOAN if their initial investigations did not come up with a solid track-record of healing from SCOAN. If all the healings from SCOAN are ‘hearsay’, enough rumours of no results would have accumulated against SCOAN to stop new-comers.
@Newman
Your devotion to TBJ is leading you deep into heresy.
You said: “IT WORKS for those who apply it in faith! Peroid! TBJ explains faith is the currency with which you purchase your miracle. If say $10 worth of faith is needed for your problem and you exercise $5 worth, you get no results till you increase your faith.”
Your false prophet TBJ lied to you!! As usual!
Jesus said differently!
Luk 17:5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
Luk 17:6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.
@Newman
Not only is that heresy as @General points out, it also provides a perfect excuse for why so many healings don’t work – the person wasn’t using enough faith! Think about what you learn about SCOAN from their official channels – is there ever even a hint that some people who visit don’t get healed? No – the image they project is 100% success. This means you have people who come, spending their life savings desperately seeking a miracle, they don’t get it and to add to the insult they’re taught that they were to blame for not having enough faith. It’s disgusting.
@ General, Newman,
Exactly that, I would have replied same way, General. A mustard seed amount. But people like Newman, who is actually still the old man, not renewed in his mind clearly would come up against the Bible prescribed application principles of Faith. Thanks for printing here the heresies of TB Joshua, Newman and you are right I am not a “Christian” for Christian sakes, BUT a follower of Jesus Christ. The two are both a whole different matter. Your Christianity says follow the heresies of TB Joshua while a follower of Jesus Christ FOLLOWS Jesus and His Word not false private prophets with personal revelations that are not from God. Thanks for exposing yourself of who you really are. You did a great job for us all to see this. It’s too obvious.
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” Your false prophet TBJ lied to you!! As usual!
Jesus said differently!
Luk 17:5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
Luk 17:6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.”
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Hey, there you go again! TBJwatch folk throwing quotations without divine understanding. General, could you please explain what spiritual size of faith will be equivalent to a mustard seed. You are comparing apples and bananas here. It says faith the size of mustard seed is required to uproot a tree and move it. Does that give you an idea of the size of the faith you have a person may need to receive a healing from a terminal disease like our unfortunate general. This scripture means that the measure of faith needed to solve a problem is related to the size of the problem. Which is why the disciples requested for an increase in their faith. But note, it WAS the disciples who asked. The Lord did NOT instruct them to pray to ask for increased faith from above. The instructions were ALWAYS to believe. There is a human responsibility to exercise faith. Even then the ultimate decision to health is Gods. When Peter asked to walk on water and Jesus asked him to ‘come’. The command to come included introductions for the waves to sustain him if indeed he steps in the water (which did not solidify to for Peter to see first) . It was the responsibility of Peter to lift his foot in faith off the boat and place it on the water. That step of faith is not the Lords responsibility. The main effect of the testimonies is to enable the rest of us to exercise more faith when we see the level of faith exercised by others and their results. That is the biggest advantage of Emmanuel TV. Which the main reason for its popularity. No one ever goes to SCOAN based on just adverts. They confirm word-of-mouth reports. It means SCOAN has some track record of healing a fact painful to tbjwatch.
I notice tbjwatch asserts at the beginning of this blog that “many people who seek healing at SCOAN die soon after” and ended by advising “…if you are considering visiting SCOAN for healing, we strongly advise you to not waste your life and your money.” Really? Stop masquerading as Christians while working for the devil.
Yes, it is enough. Because it can remove mountains according to Jesus WHICH MEANS impossible matters and issues.
That’s the divine explanation. Every theologian or believer accepts this as true.
You as an individual and TBJ have private interpretation. Which is putting windmill stones around people’s necks and drop them in the sea and tell them now go swim.
You and TBJ are not only disgusting but also a perverters of God’s Word. He says (Jesus,) BE AS CHILDREN ! Is anyone expecting impossible tasks from children ?
You are an instrument to create Atheists because they can never amount to that as is demand. No wonder they say God does not exist because people like you ask tasks from them as Pharisees who make their robes long and their tassels wide of Selfrightousness who themselves not enter into gateway.
I’ll check with my spirit and ask the Holy Ghost if this one requires repentance. My educated guess is that the Spirit will say “naw”, and rather advise me to pray for 89% of people on here who worship their bishop/pastor, fortune and pretend that both are the living God.
May Jesus save you all.
To begin with, Religion and Christianity are not the same. I don’t do religion. The Pharisees and the Scribes were indeed religious but Jesus never saw them as part of his follows or members of His ship folk. God is the “Father” of all Christians and the devil is the father to all pagans and non believers. If Jesus told the Pharisees, “…If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. John 8:42-44. Read the whole of Matthew 23 and tell me if Jesus viewed them as Christians. Using the principle of Contextual Reading or Contextual Study, can you put TBJ in the same context as you constantly try to fabricate to me and your readers of your posts and are you able to prove be default that I am fitting in that Context you are trying to stick upon me ?
When is the time that you are going to admit that TBJ and his staff never had the command from God to allow to build the collapsed ILLEGAL WITHOUT BUILDING PERMIT Hostel and other buildings ?
I have asked this over and over again, but you are not responding willingly and deliberately and keep calling me I am not a Christian instead. I don’t see the relevance in asking my question to whether I am a Christian or not ? Is it not you that claims that your “holy man” hears from God 24/7 about such dicissions to be made ?
And I am sure that is why he hides behind the “veil” and sends funny clowns to the Court House to take seat or not to take seat and take the Judge for a ride in stretching and misaligning the course of Justice as a joke with his now notorious absence for the umpteemed time, again !!!
What kind of lame Justice system you lot have in Nigeria that has become laughing matter for the whole world to see but you don’t care if thousands of people die because they have no control over crazy madman inside the country ? And the funny way how TB Joshua is looking for celebrity status crown instead of an Heavenly ?
@ Newman,
Facts that do not lie
According to AfricaW and Africa and the World About 3 to 5 million people are living with HIV/AIDS in Nigeria today. About 220,000 HIV/AIDS deaths were recorded in 2009 alone. Most children on the streets have lost either one or both parents to HIV/AIDS.
Have all those millions gone to SCOAN and have they got a clean bill of health of HIV negative ? So if not, why not ? Why is TBJ not running them all off the streets to get them healed ? Why is he elsewhere in other countries with his private Jet ? Is there nothing to do in his own country regarding for example to heal 3-5 million people living with HIV/AIDS ?
Let me put it in your face. 3,000.000 to 5,000.000 people should be brought to SCOAN and they should throw out all these 3 house, 5 cars testimonies they constantly put on screen as testimonies.
Why is it that TBJ who claims he has the power from God cannot make his own country HIV/AIDS free and present it to the WHO as the first country in the world to be HIV/AIDS free ?
Oh the irony and the lies that surround these scams is just the shameless deception they constantly put on screen to peddle themselves forward and suck out every little money from everyone to do their own things and agenda and have funny shows on the screen of Emmanuel TV.
No but only one thing counts in his media outlets is that how he can have another laureate as Yoruba man of the year 2015. Earthly crowns. Not a heavenly one.
It is not the responsibility of the church to go out there collecting people to come and heal them. They can do it if they want but it is NOT their responsibility.
If you so much are about the millions of HIV patients, what have you done about then? And why do you think TBJ should do something about then when they do not present to the church.
The reason is people have a choice, you cannot assume the want healing just becos they are ill.
Do you notice that even Jesus when he saw the lame men he will ask them ‘what do you want me to do for you?’
The desire of the patient is important.
I see you love people so much. If you can use your tbjwatch blog to mobilize support for the HIV patients that will be worth your while thatn what you are doing.
god has a purpose for all he does. if you believe god exists, thinking the way you do is tantamount to judging god and asking him why in the first place did he allow all this suffering? god who is the overall sees these sufferings. Jesus in his time did not heal every body in jerusalem but what he did was a demonstration of the salvation to come, as encouragement to believers or warning to unbelievers of the situation that is to come
What happened in the court case yesterday?
There’s a link on our Facebook. Summary: another delay.
I don’t know but isn’t this the best time for Judiciary to shine by showing they have some cojones? As it is it seems as if they are SCOAN employees
What!
Another delay?
This is getting ridiculous.
How long does a trial of this sort take for ordinary people who are guilty of similar charges?
Jesse please stop bearing false witness about the death of Prof Atta Mills. Where did he say that he was cured of his sickness from Prophet TB Joshua. He was a member of SCOAN for a long time before TBJ prophesied correctly the outcomes of the elections in Ghana which he won.After his death his family and his son was at SCOAN to thank TBJ for his Godly love.No one ever accuses TBJ of killing the Noble President Atta Mills.In life when your time is due to go to greater glory (Heaven) through death you can’t refuse the will of God.
the disgruntled little group of tbjoshuawatch stop finding faults where there is none.
EMMANUEL!!!!!
Well Kafui, according Archbishop Nicholas Duncan-Williams of CAfN. it is a complete different matter of what you say. But out of courtesy he does not want to speak about it. But then again Nicholas whom I know personally has also skeletons in his closet, hence he does not want speak it out. Which I understand from his point of view.
And I never said that TBJ killed Atta Mills. That’s another lie added to so many from you who are pro SCOAN. I said, he did not get healed even though he ran so much to TBJ his best friend to get more votes of those who are affiliated in the Ghana branch on Spintex road.
I guess and suppose that poor Atta Mills did not have enough faith hmmm according to Newman and TBJs heresies, but enough “faith” to rig the voting system for his benefit.
i guess he did not equaly have enough money to go to the hospital, or why did he choose the scoan isntead? Note: many who go to the scoan do so as a matter of last resort
Kafui WHEN WILL YOU READ YOUR BIBLE !!!!!
Isaiah 38: 4 Then the word of the LORD came to Isaiah, saying, 5 “Go and say to Hezekiah, ‘Thus says the LORD, the God of your father David, “I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; behold, I will add FIFTEEN <~~~<years to your life. 6” I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city.”‘
Psalm 118:16 The right hand of the LORD is exalted; The right hand of the LORD does valiantly. 17I will not die, but live, And tell of the works of the LORD. 18 The LORD has disciplined me severely, But He has not given me over to death.…
Genesis 6:3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”…
Please fool and deceive someone else inside SCOAN, NOT ME !
Kafui,
Romans 6:23King James Version (KJV)
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
@ Kafui,
Romans 6:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
You don’t know zip whether Atta Mills is in heaven, because he ain’t, because the Scriptures teaches us that we go first elsewhere. Thanks for showing your heresies and those you learned from TB Joshua again.
Whenever you have watched this video come again with your deluded doctrines from your false private prophet who seeks for an earthly crown instead of a heavenly one.
http://youtu.be/GhKUU4waDTI <~~~~ click here for sound doctrine about heaven and hell.
People must die and they can die any where. If people die after visiting scoan then half of the world would be dead by now. I know just so many people who have visited scoan and they are very fine.
well it is better to die after knowing God than to die in a crash. Some people just need to know God, confess and die.God told my pastor one time while he was praying for a lady to be restored from the spirit of dead. And God spoke to him”My son pray for mercy because she must die. If i allow her to live, she will go back to the world”. This is just and example. This life we a living is a mistery. No one can understand to the end so let no one say what he/she does not understand. Only God knows.
Nice excuse to say this. What about those that are not in God and die ? It really does not make sense what your pastor is putting upon your sleeve ?
Don’t you read that God so loved the world that He gave His only Son ? in John 3:16 ?
And that God does not want anyone to die ?
For I have no pleasure in the DEATH of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord God. “Therefore, repent and live,…Ezekiel 18:32
Say to them, ‘As I live!’ declares the Lord God, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked…Ezekiel 33:11
Your pastor is deceiving you. God does not like death at all.
We clearly see that God does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked. That is, it is not His desire that even the wicked die. Yet, they do and to further complicate things, as we have seen in the scriptures above, He even hardens them Exodus 4:24-25; Romans 9:18, deludes them 2 Thessalonians 2:11, and puts it into their hearts to rebel Deuteronomy 2:30 and Revelation 17:16-17.
Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to DO justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God ?
Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.
1 Corinthians 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
TB Joshua is not very loving when he constantly defends himself (behind the veil) and his church with earthly justice means if he does not want to be subjected to the Law he trespassed which Jesus came to fulfill and not to do away with.
TB Joshua did not have the command from God to build illegally and without building permit. That is a fallacy. God is not in building illegally and without building permit.
Romans 13:1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing AUTHORITIES. For there is no authority except from God,<~~~ and those which exist are established by God. <~~~~ 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.…
Nobody can say that they can’t trust the Government because they are established by God and the Law of the land.
Why is he fighting God ? TB Joshua is fighting God by fighting the Goverment with the means of appeals and the lawyers ?
Deuteronomy 16:18 “You shall appoint for yourself judges and officers in all your towns which the LORD your God is giving you, according to your tribes, and they shall judge the people with righteous judgment. 19 “You shall not distort justice; you shall not be partial, and you shall not take a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and perverts the words of the righteous.…
TB Joshua is fighting God and His Nigerian established Government with natural means, the media and the camera and the use of lawyers to pervert the course of Justice of illegal building and without building permit, to seek an earthly crown and not an Heavenly and supports his engineers to hide and have no address so they have to paste the court orders on their doors and make pictures of it as evidence.
TB Joshua is saying that God is with him, but God does not deliver him of his own deception and that of his followers who want to have business and money to thrive their country because they believe that filthy lucre is better than justice and truth.
@Jesse
I perfectly understand now why you people here criticised TBJ with such disdain and impunity. Quoting the Scriptures verbatim is a far cry for from understanding them insightfully. I prayed that the Grace of God reveals the underlying meanings of HIS WORDS to you. It’s not enough just to be literally quoting the Scriptures because the devil does same but the DIVINE MEANING is all that is needed.
when I caught you speaking lies against TBJ for the death of Prof Mills you diverted the issue to Archbishop Duncan-Williams. Do you have any proof that Archbishop says those words and even if he did what suggested that he was implicating TBJ.You claimed Duncan-Williams is also having skeleton in his cupboard because he is a successful Man Of God who was an armed robber and God using him MIGHTILY??? REMOVE THE LOG OF WOOD FROM YOUR EYE BEFORE REMOVING THE SPEC OF SAND FROM YOUR FRIEND’s EYES!!! That is the message God gave me for the tbjoshuawatch gang and critics.
Nicholas has loads of skeletons in the cupboard. Ask Francesca his first wife and his children.
What about that Nicholas is a mysigonist regarding women ? And much more funny stories.
There are lots of expressions from him that underscore my pointing out.
I know who he is personally. I spend months in his parsonage and I know also the trickery of Paul Adeferasin. How he ruined a branch of CAFM. In which Nicholas called us up that we were ready to die for our faith regarding all these matters that happened. Paul who was a protégé of Mr Nicholas went on his advice to a big Bible school where he flirted with literally all kinds of women because they knew he was a minister in CAFM branch. Then Paul mashed up the branch and took off to where he is now. Stealing from his devotees to enrich himself. Just like you idol TBJ with fancy stories and suits and ties.
I know way too much before you even start to argue with me about this. But I know that God will require from them when they stand before Him in Judgment.
I don’t care if Nicholas is successful he needs to repent from his silly stories he hangs up to confuse and obfuscate his followers.
Because his “prayers” is moving nothing than invitations in a church otherwise Ghana would be the top nation among all African countries.
The same counted for Benin where Benson Idahosa was. Another one with huge mouth and following. Died already suddenly during a prayer meeting taken over by his wife. To never hear anything about them again.
You don’t know me, but I have been around and seen it all already. Please contact Michael Reid for further information about your foolish friends you love so much.
Hey Kafui,
What is Papa Duncan going to do with his earth moving “prayers” about your country ? All what your Papa Duncan is moving is green backs in to his account and of his newly wed wife he married after doing adultery and divorced his first wife. Papa Duncan is only interested how he can be seen and screaming and shouting in all churches he is invited to to move nothing than himself all over the place. Just so you can update yourself about what Papa Duncan really is doing with his earth moving “prayers” is for you to read. Let Papa Duncan come home and have a roast about his earth moving “prayers” he does all the time. He is not moving anything at all than all night prayer and fasting meetings and wearing people out while eating his take away Chinese in another room next to the prayer meeting. Only his close associates know and I knew.
http://www.africaw.com/major-problems-facing-ghana-today
Nigerian court adjourns trial over building collapse disaster to 19 January 2016.
http://tvcnews.tv/?q=article/nigerian-court-adjourns-trial-over-building-collapse-disaster-january
Super sad
People trusting in God and still dying does not nullify the scriptures that teach us God is a healer. We saw Shedrack believing for deliverance but we’re not prepared to abandon their God just because He never delivered them.
But faith healers are too busy projecting a superhealer image. They are not humble enough to know that God has mercy on whosoever He wills.
The certainty of their methods is the biggest selling point. This is what draws the sheeple from afar off.
This is the problem I have with aggressive advertising of miracles. One on the face of it may think God is being glorified but He is not; it is a ploy calculated to draw attention to your supposed supernatural abilities.
For this reason, ‘failures’ are always blamed on the miracle seekers and they are NEVER advertised.
There is an old adage that if you try at first and fail, you should blame someone else for failing and then try again!
The reason is because of big business, power and financial gain that’s all there is to it.
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” Your false prophet TBJ lied to you!! As usual!
Jesus said differently!
Luk 17:5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
Luk 17:6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.”
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Hey, there you go again! TBJwatch folk throwing quotations without divine understanding. General, could you please explain what spiritual size of faith will be equivalent to a mustard seed. You are comparing apples and bananas here. It says faith the size of mustard seed is required to uproot a tree and move it. Does that give you an idea of the size of the faith you have a person may need to receive a healing from a terminal disease like our unfortunate general. This scripture means that the measure of faith needed to solve a problem is related to the size of the problem. Which is why the disciples requested for an increase in their faith. But note, it WAS the disciples who asked. The Lord did NOT instruct them to pray to ask for increased faith from above. The instructions were ALWAYS to believe. There is a human responsibility to exercise faith. Even then the ultimate decision to health is Gods. When Peter asked to walk on water and Jesus asked him to ‘come’. The command to come included introductions for the waves to sustain him if indeed he steps in the water (which did not solidify to for Peter to see first) . It was the responsibility of Peter to lift his foot in faith off the boat and place it on the water. That step of faith is not the Lords responsibility. The main effect of the testimonies is to enable the rest of us to exercise more faith when we see the level of faith exercised by others and their results. That is the biggest advantage of Emmanuel TV. Which the main reason for its popularity. No one ever goes to SCOAN based on just adverts. They confirm word-of-mouth reports. It means SCOAN has some track record of healing a fact painful to tbjwatch.
I notice tbjwatch asserts at the beginning of this blog that “many people who seek healing at SCOAN die soon after” and ended by advising “…if you are considering visiting SCOAN for healing, we strongly advise you to not waste your life and your money.” Really? Stop masquerading as Christians while working for the devil.
@ Newman that still thinks like the old man he used to be,
Why is that you all have an answer on almost everything except what I asked you over and over again.
Did TB Joshua have a command from God to build illegal and without building permits and lie to the government and his following that whatever he does is from God ?
You seem to have no answer about it.
If you say he had, then God would not have known that this would end in disaster, so you all can blame God for causing the hostel problems ?
If he had not, the God did not speak to him and he did his own agenda as well the staff as well the building engineers.
Am I correct when I purport that:
That when CS Upthegrove claimed he spoke from God as a prophet that there will be a wall of fire around TBJ’s ministry and nothing will harm it ? This was spoken in July before 12th of September.
Do you accept that it was a false prophecy said by false prophet CS Upthegrove in what you call divine prophecy ?
Do you accept that when the #MH370 was not found by the end of 15th of March 2014 that it was a false prophecy by TBJ ?
Do you accept that Boko Haram was not eradicated by the end of 2013 and was a false prophecy and was not divine at all ?
Do you accept that the Chibok Girls who are still not found and TBJ claimed he was a man of god and they will be released immediatetly all of them that it was a false prophecy and did not have any divine origin ?
Do you accept that Ebola is still not eradicated in literally all countries that were infected is still going on even though you all claim that it was eradicated by the “anointing water”.
When will you stop lying ? When will you stop supporting lies ? When will you openly address your false private prophet that the above matters are and were not divine at all ? But human fill in by pick and mix and throw it out there.
Now once more again from me:
Let me see if Satanists or Detractors of TB Joshua can do the following.
I am saying: Jesus is Lord, I love Jesus, I love God, I love His Word, I love His ways but not always understood, I love His true Children that do not curse others to be destroyed because of adulation of false private prophets that lie and cheat.
I declare that Jesus Christ has come into the flesh, and was born into the flesh and is the Word, the Word that was sent and is and Who will come again.
I declare that God is Supreme, above all and beyond, He is the Alpha and the Omega and all that is between, He is time, He knows before, the past, the present and the future and the end at the same time. Nothing is not under His Supervision.
God so love the World that He gave His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, Who was and is and is to come again ? Jesus Christ Who went for me on the Cross of Calvary, Shed His Blood, Died and is Resurrected and wants to save us all when we call upon His Name.
Jesus is the way, nobody comes to God that through Him, He is the only door and only path.
Jesus will come back to deliver us from evil, from false prophets, liars, thieves and deceivers, He will come as King of kings and Lord of lords. He will be seen all over the world by all who are inhabiting this World and who are alive.
He will resurrect those that are in the grave and they will rule with Him a 1000 years. We know that Satan will be bound and will be thrown way but will released for a short while. But we know that Jesus Christ will take care of all that.
We follow Jesus, not man, nor idols, nor replacements here on earth. We reject, we expose that are not from God. We do not accept them as children of God, we point them the way according to the Word of God that Jesus Christ is Lord and through Him they might be saved and be with Him at the Marriage Supper at that day.
We love Jesus, We love His Truth, We love His yoke, We love His Anointing that He alone can give ? We yearn for His Spirit to be living in us and give us direction and comforts us by all what we face. We love Jesus, We love Him too much. We glory in Jesus. We walk with Him and want to know Him.
We seek His Word, we walk with His Word, whether He delivers us, Heals us, does Miracles it’s up to Him, but do not try to supersede in our arrogance our brothers and sisters in Christ but we exhort them, we love them, we pray for them, we bless them, we teach them, we minister to them, we rebuke them, we guide them with the Holy Spirit as our only Teacher.
Jesus is our focus, not man. Jesus is our goal, not elevating man. Jesus is our glory, not the praise of man. Jesus is our destiny, not a house of bricks, a car, a family. Jesus is our ultimate direction. At all times, at all ways, at all moments we can do so.
We reject substitutes and surrogate that want to replace Him as the whatever so and so of this time. Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and forever. No one eclipses His ways, no one can compare, no one is sufficient.
We say Jesus is Lord and Him alone !
It was the disciples who asked not Jesus who told hem to ask?
You are very silly. Did Jesus correct them if indeed it was wrong to ask for faith?
Further in Corinthians, we learn faith is a gift and believers are called to pursue/covet gifts. The point is the disciples praying for more faith is perfectly in order.
Jesus compared the amount of faith required to move heavens to the SMALLEST known seed. If you have faith then it is safe to say you have AT LEAST some faith equal to or greater than the least requires.
The reason even with faith some never receive their healing or miracles is because God has mercy on whomsoever He wills not who command Him around like a genie.
So advertising miracles and giving a supposed continuous string of successes downplay this. The result is many hapless victims part with money and their precious time in the process chasing exaggerations.
The worse is some actually die because they forsake conventional medicine which could have saved them and focus on a charlatan
TB Joshua is certainly a murderer
@ Newman,
Why not invite Nicholas James Vujicic to SCOAN and underscore your findings regarding him no arms nor legs ?
And tell him let TB Joshua pray over him and that by faith all what he is missing will be whole and grow on. I dare you and your false private prophet to demonstrate it and then openly shame Nicholas James Vujicic before the world on camera that he has not enough faith to be normal like everybody else with a body with limbs to go run. Since you are saying that it is all divinely explained away when it is not happening.
If it says on the side of the church of TB Joshua that people need to see miracles and wonders, then here is one that will propel TB Joshua the only man on earth to do this as he claims he can do.
But TB Joshua is busy hiding behind the “veil” speaking in law terms in letting others representing a “corperate body” instead of himself as the sole chooser of the illegal building without building permit as legal and lied to his followers with the following lies:
It was Boko Haram.
It was controlled demolition.
It was was a infrared laser gun mounted upon a Lockheed Martin C130 that was send by Obama intercepted by the Russians taking off from a Military Florida base and flew to Nigeria to bring the hostel down.
How divine this all is and brought forward.
Why is your false private prophet and the “corpoate body” SCOAN fighting this so hard with earthly means and earthy media while claiming that God is fighting for him to exonerate him ?
Imagine Moses fighting Pharaoh with lawyers and stay away from Pharaoh’s Court ?
Imagine Gideon fighting Midianites with appeals to the the king of the Medianites ?
Imagine Elijah coming up with law papyri to mock the prophets of Baal ?
Imagine Jesus fighting the Pharisees that wanted to stone him ?
Imagine David telling Goliath please go away and holding up a legal document along his head ?
Are you even serious ? All you all can do is throwing evil curses towards your imaginary detractors that God will destroy them and whatever you wish upon them.
You have been doing that for years now. You know years ? 365 days, year in year out ? Why does God not listen to you ? Or none of you ? God hears your prayer but decides to to nothing, year in year out to your so called detractors.
I know why God does not hear or do anything, Because you lot are insane to call evil upon his own Children that love Him. Not as you keep telling we are Satan’s brood.
I know why God does not answer your false evil prayers. Simply because God does not destroy His Children that want to live what He wants them to do.
We ARE His Children, we are part of the Apple of His eyes. That is why your prayers and silly words are futile, fall to the ground, blown away by whirlwinds and swept away to the sea of forgiveness as to the both ends of the world.
We belong to God and He is shaking His Head about your anger prayers and treading water with law as your defense and shows clearly you are walking in the flesh instead of walking in the Spirit.
It’s so obvious and clear. Clear as day. But your eyes are darkened by revenge and anger in such a way that you even want to sin for it day in day out by cussing out His children.
Divine explanation, Pwah ! My foot !
Please attend the first appointment of your local shrink and make sure you continue from there.
@Newman
Comparing apples and bananas? Well at least they are both fruits. Apparently Christ doesn’t see a difference in the faith required for “forgiving your brother over and over” and “casting out the devil”; “up rooting a tree” and “removing a mountain”. What would you call this? Sounds to me like He is comparing mulberries & stones.
See how He talks about two different situations but still stating that you only need “faith as a grain of mustard seed”.
You may want to take note that in Luke 17:3-6 Jesus was addressing the issue of forgiving as many times as possible.They asked for increased faith in order to carry out this duty of forgiving as many times as possible as Jesus was teaching them. That indeed did sound like a very tough duty but Jesus was teaching them that if they had the least measure of true faith, no instance of duty would be too hard for them. In this instance He makes an expression that faith as a grain of mustard seed can unplug a tree by the roots.
Luke 17:6 “And the Lord said, If ye had faith as grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.”
In Matthew 17:19-20 Jesus is addressing a different subject; deliverance. Notice how He states that you still require the same size of faith, even though it might be argued that the problem here is bigger. Here He gives the expression that the faith as a grain of mustard seed can remove a mountain.To “remove mountains” was a proverbial expression among the Jews, to mean “make very difficult things to go away”.
Matthew 17:20 “And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.”
Also notice in this case that the boy who had a problem; his faith was irrelevant yet he was the one who needed the miracle.
Have you ever considered the possibility that it just might be TBJ’s faith that was a problem here? Don’t answer that one, we all know the answer already.
So don’t tell me that to receive a healing from a terminal disease requires a different kind of faith which is not found in scripture, but in TBJ’s warped teachings. Indeed the requirement is to always believe and none of this “If say $10 worth of faith is needed for your problem and you exercise $5 worth, you get no results till you increase your faith“. That’s just pure fallacy & excuse for failures. According to Jesus even $5 worth of true faith [which is always there and has no doubt like Peter] is still enough to remove a mountain.
You certainly cannot accuse General Tumenta of having no faith, like you ridiculously claimed “where was his own faith?” You can’t know that. What we know is that he made the trip to Lagos. That demonstrates some faith [even though it’s misdirected]. In Mark 2:1-5 faith was demonstrated by just the effort to get to Christ. Notice also even in this instance [Mark 2:1-5] it wasn’t the effort the sick person but of those who carried him.
I told you before don’t sell your silly excuses here, we are not buying it. We know faith is because the Lord taught us.
SCOAN is one of the most efficient demon-killing machines on earth right now! If you send any demons there, they will be toast for your information! Ask the marine spirits and they will tell you not to go near SCOAN – You will be fried Period!
God (and humans too) does not promote without exams. If he wants to test you he will not give you the details of the test. It will amount to leaking the exam questions. That calls for immediate arrest even by humans – leaking exams questions! So those who assert that becos TBJ did not see the collapse coming he was not called of God are just being funny. I watched the services live just before the collapse. He was at a crusade he said he was shown a ‘dark cloud over Nigeria’ so he returned. He said dark cloud meant danger so he returned from the crusade. But God never gave him the details of the disaster itself. TBJ ONLY SEES WHAT IS REVEALED TO HIM. HE DOES NOT MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT TO SEE!!! SCOAN became a victim of their success and the devil exploited that. I recall people on this blog confident that this is the end of SCOAN You remember?
What Jesus said the gated of Hell shall not prevail against his church. You see the example now. I know people who never believed in TBJ until this disaster. Becos they said if of all prophets he is the only one being persecuted so much such that whole websites are set up to bring him down and planes should bomb the church, he must be doing something right!. God never promised there will be no fights/troubles. If you are looking for the presence of fights/troubles as the evidence of not being called by God, you are wrong. We are only promised the victory as it is slowly emerging in the case of SCOAN to the chagrin of tbjwatch.
But remember a church is a human organisation full of all its human faults. People are not christians BECOS they are perfect, they are Christians SO they will slowly work towards perfection. Christianity is work-in-progress. So do not rely on organisational failures in SCOAN as evidence there was no calling. Jesus must have known the character of Judas Ischariot – but he called him to join the apostles. You would call that in today’s terms ERROR OF JUDGEMENT by (Jesus Son of God) won’t you? Of all the people, he was the one who was put in charge of money! (if tbjwach was around at the time you can imagine how they could criticize Jesus’ choice of treasure as evidence he was not the Son of God) Jesus demonstrated that even Christian institutions even one as small as 12people, will have cracks at the seams! The cracks are not evidence of lack of a calling.
I hope these answer your questions.
@Newman
Now you’ve gone off-topic.
We don’t need to ask marine spirits about SCOAN. We have the written word of God in the scriptures which is sufficient to test the spirits.
You seem to not understand what you are following. I find it weird that you say TBJ was shown a ‘dark cloud over Nigeria’, this to mean the building collapse. But at the same time CS Upthegrove was told “a wall of fire would protect the ministry”. Do you realize that you claiming planes bombed the church, you are suggesting that the devil’s weapon succeeded in breaching the wall of fire and ended up killing 116 people. Here you are actually unknowingly saying CS Upthegrove’s prophecy was false.
You may also want to take note, in the video below, that CS Upthegrove “prophesied” that he (TBJ) would have Elijah’s anointing so strong it will astonish entire Nations. In 1 Kings 17:17-24 Elijah prayed and the dead boy was resurrected. In sharp contrast, after this CS Upthegrove prophecy we only saw 116 people die plus General Tumenta in SCOAN. Not even one was resurrected, yet we are supposed to believe he has Elijah anointing.
If TBJ thinks he is a victim in the building collapse then he should have not avoided going to the hearing. He should have gone and presented his side of the story and trust his god to fight for him. Think of how bold were Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego (Daniel 3), and they actually broke the law of the King. They were guilty, but they knew they did right before God, and therefore they didn’t hide. How much with TBJ? If he thinks there is nothing wrong he did before God, why not be bold & trust his god. It sounds, like he doesn’t want to implicate himself.
Lastly; I wouldn’t consider Jesus choosing Judas Iscariot as ERROR OF JUDGMENT in today’s terms. In fact Him choosing Judas is MORE EVIDENCE that He is The Son of God. The Messianic prophecy states that Jesus will be betrayed by a person close to Him.
Psalms 41:9 “Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.”
Jesus later confirmed this:
John 13:18 “I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.”
John 13:19 “Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.”
If we test Jesus’ choice by the scripture, we find in today’s terms that this is proof of being The Son of God. MESSIANIC PROPHECY FULFILLMENT. It was correct judgment, not error of judgment! We would say: WOW! Jesus knows how to bring about fulfillment of scripture, He must be the Messiah!
No you haven’t really answered my questions, but it’s fine, we’ve seen that a lot here. You are not the first one 🙂
@Newman
I want to show you something else.
You said: “So those who assert that becos TBJ did not see the collapse coming he was not called of God are just being funny. I watched the services live just before the collapse. He was at a crusade he said he was shown a ‘dark cloud over Nigeria’ so he returned. He said dark cloud meant danger so he returned from the crusade. But God never gave him the details of the disaster itself. TBJ ONLY SEES WHAT IS REVEALED TO HIM. HE DOES NOT MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT TO SEE!!!”
Why with some prophecies he claims he wants to get more information? “In this next video he says he wants to get the date & time & when“? This doesn’t sound like someone who takes ONLY what is revealed to him.
TBJ also said he spies on God to get information, watch this:
So I reject your excuse. He should have fished for more information, as he claimed he does. The fact is that he sees nothing. Make no mistake TBJ is deceiving you.
@Newman
Very Insightful and straight to the point. I hope Jesse will not comeback with some zigzag explanations.’Let he who has not sin cast the first stone’!
@ Kafui,
Where did I say nobody is without sin ?
Why are you all ALWAYS lying of what I am saying ?
Show me where I said it. But I certainly do not build illegally and without building permit deliberately for over eleven years and keep my spiritual ears shut that I should stop sinning. And HE TBJ is a prophet how come he did not hear for 11 years ? You gotta be joking.
You lot have too much excuses. Especially lame ones to let your deliberate murderer go free.
Look what the representative of SCOAN did to get out if the chair before the judge was dismissing him. So he could have judged on so and so clause in the law. Disgusting. Is that how a man of God does behind the “veil” and send somebody to represent a “corporate body”. Corporate body means business. So SCOAN is a business not a church that’s clear right ?
You lot are scumbags. You hide and scheme and use earthly means and law trickery to get away with culpable homicide. You should be ashamed about yourself.
On top you fabricate silly stories to make your corporate culpable murderer to get away with 120 people already killed by his choices.
You have no shame. Only Jim Jones eclipses him in fatalities as a minister. Please be fait and put it on the internet on many websites of what he really did and keeps steering to wear people out with his tricks from his lawyers to excape from judgment. But me he can’t fool anymore.
Then I have been several times SCOAN and the branches. No demon ever was killed. None. Because they can’t. They go out and go in somebody else when they are ready. Please go back to seminary to someone that knows proper exegesis of explaining this to you.
As far as I know, TB Joshua did not even go and pray for the collapsed building victims in the hospitals in Lagos, at that time, or sent any of his wise-men to go and pray for them?!?!
His ‘compassion’ came too little too late and was totally off.
Fake!
It was a big joke.
Great point!
Was there ever a great time to demonstrate the efficacy of his amulets and charms than to pray for the survivors and heal them? Did he even ATTEMPT?
Nope, see the hospital is not an environment where he can control what you see no the tests that are carried. He steered clear to avoid embarrassment of failure to heal
Even unsaved people would have visited the hurt people in hospital, but not tbj.
He is to holy for that and according to him, he is the one with the power to pray for them.
His love sucks, it is worse than the unsaved people’s!
And no one in his church could go, because he did not give them permission!
@Just Wonder.
Exactly. All he was bothered about after the collapse was spinning the story as favourably as possible. If only he had cared for the victims and mourning families as much as he cared for his reputation.
Hey TBJwatch, somebody/something keeps blocking my posts since yesterday. What is going on? Is it because I am not following your narrative about SCOAN?
@Newman – for some reason they were flagged as spam, sorry about that. I have cleared one version but not all because most were reposts. Let me know if there’s something else missing.
To continue..
Take the Prophet Elijah. (1Kings 19..) Just moments after commanding fire from heaven to consume the sacrifices proving the power of God and leading 400 prophets of Baal to the valley and having them killed, he flees from Jezebel (vrs3 When Elijah heard this, he was afraid and ran for his life, taking his servant with him. …) and was so depressed he felt like dying!
(3 When Elijah heard this, he was afraid and ran for his life, taking his servant with him. When they came to Beersheba in Judah, Elijah left his servant there. 4 Then Elijah walked for a whole day into the desert. He sat down under a bush and asked to die. “I have had enough, Lord,” he prayed. “Let me die. I am no better than my ancestors.” 5 Then he lay down under the tree and slept.)
Shocking stupid behaviour coming from Elijah!!! One would have thought he would need a lesser command to bring down fire on Jezebel. Instead he flees to my greatest surprise. To this day, I never understood the sudden turn of his fortunes. Are you then suggesting he was not called by God?
So you see men of God can behave ‘stupid’ sometimes but it does not mean they are not called. Take the case of John the Baptist. He ended up in prison and Jesus himself testifies of him that there is no prophet greater than him. But God did not reveal to him that his head was going to become a birthday-present! In prison, he was so low at some point, he sent his disciples to go and ask Jesus if he is the Messiah or whether we should expect another one. But he was the VERY person who saw the Holy Spirit descent on Jesus to confirm he is the Messiah! Does that mean John the Baptist was not called by God? It is becos of the human frailties that even Moses who spoke face-to-face with God (like a friend) needed somebody like Aaron to assist him even in spite of his royal training. Peter actually denied JESUS 3X. Was he called by GOD?
Jesus said he will build his church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. But there are a lot of anti-christian religions. Christianity is under serious threat now. Does that mean Jesus lied? He did not say there would not be temptations/afflictions. He only promised to grant victory. The promise of a ‘firewall around a ministry’ as prophesied by Evangelist UptheGrove does not mean there wont be trials with SCOAN.
How do you assess the strength of a firewall around SCOAN if you don’t test it anyway?
@Newman,
1. Even the best of men are still men and nobody demands perfection from TB Joshua, all we demand is honesty which is as impossible as it is to secure eternal life from Lucifer.
Don’t be an idiot and claim that God DID NOT REVEAL to John. That’s an argument from silence. It simply is not recorded. I can equally claim it was revealed only we are not told😎
TB Joshua has denied his greed caused the deaths and instead blamed ghosts, CIA and all. As if this is not enough, he failed the most in praying with the survivors from their beds. He has been caught severally cooking prophecies.
In short, he has not failed but is a serial charlatan whose specialty is deception.
I advice you refrain from calling people idiots and just present your point.
There was no indication John the Baptist had a revelation his head would end up as a birthday-present.
If there was no such revelation recorded why should you as a the bible scholar that you profess you are take it upon yourself to add that?
John the Baptist was a great prophet. But God DID NOT reveal to him what was going to happen to him. And we cannot say he did not pray while in the cells either. I have gien you a example from the bible.
One of your assertions is that if TBJ is the prophet he claims to be, he should have seen the disaster coming to him
I am telling you even John the Baptist was not told his imminent fate. Jesus was aware he was in prison and he must have known of the imminent fate of one of the greatest prophets and Jesus DID NOTHING about it!
It means it WAS the will of God for John The Baptist to die that way.
You agree becos even Jesus did nothing about it?
Could it be that because God allows this disaster to happen to SCOAN, all the warning he gave was the revelation of dark clouds and no further details?
We believe so!
So whatever his title is. He is a human just like us and he did not have a command or mandate from God to make or allow or agree to build illegal and without building permit buidlings or hostels.
That as a result caused the problem. A prophet must do what God commands and everyone of us. Not do our our own thing, agenda or plan. Whatever the thing he is the head of SCOAN so he is responsible for his actions. Whenever another person does these things they need to be prosecuted. Shall we bring forward Bernie Maddoff. A person that did his own thing and did corruption. Did he do a job, yes. Did he choose to do his own thing ? Yes. So he was punished consequently and put in prison for that.
Did TB Joshua do what he set out to do and signed for the plans to do even when he knew it was illegal. Yes, he did. As well his staff ? Yes ! That is the reason he does not want to come in the Court because he has tell a silly story to the Judge. If that Judge is not in Freemasonry that is. Or even himself.
Which means that the Judge will ask. Did you know TBJ that you allowed to build illegally and not without a legal building permit. If TBJ says I did not know then he is still guilty according to Ezekiel 33. And if he says yes I knew then we all know he was guilty because he sinned first against God then against the Government and third against those who lost their lives because of his choices he made.
Every other Tom, Dick and Jane will be prosecuted irrespective their excuse they were doing good.
Another thing is that you say Moses had murdered a man working for pharaoh. Does that mean that we first need to murder someone so we can be used by God ? What an idiot you are. You are sick. You need mental help and big time under medication of your religion confusion of applying and believing that it is ok to murder someone. Hence the problem why Michael hae big trouble about the body of Moses. In where Michael the Arch angel had to rebuke in God’s Name.
This same thought goes around in SCOAN the more you suffer the better and more anointing. So why not set up a suffering camp so we can get more anointing from God.
Another sick twisted mental madness that you preach. We you go and make sure you suffer big time and enjoy it.
SCOAN foolishness does not wash with sober minded people only with those that are corrupt, sick and twisted in their head.
That is why we call it a cult. That’s why. So stay in your concentration camp. Enjoy your crazy suffering and imaginary persecution.
The fact that God calls a person or gives an original command to do something does not mean he necessarily gets involved in the day-to-day operational details of the project. Take the case of Moses (Exo. 18). He was commanded to lead the Israelites but he was not given any ideas as to how to govern them on a day-today basis. He was led by fire/pillar of cloud all day everyday but look here he needed the help of Hobab to give him the fine details of the directions….
Num. 10:29-32 “And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel the Midianite, Moses’ father in law, We are journeying unto the place of which the LORD said, I will give it you: come thou with us, and we will do thee good: for the LORD hath spoken good concerning Israel. And he said unto him, I will not go; but I will depart to mine own land, and to my kindred. And he said, Leave us not, I pray thee; forasmuch as thou knowest how we are to encamp in the wilderness, and thou mayest be to us instead of eyes. And it shall be, if thou go with us, yea, it shall be, that what goodness the LORD shall do unto us, the same will we do unto thee.”—
This was a the man who spoke face-to-face with God like a friend. Why did God not give him the details and he had to beg Hobab for the operational details? God usually leaves the broad directions but leaves the operational details to humans. The was handling all the operational details alone without the ability to delegate. It was when his father-in law Jethro visited that he advised Moses to set captains to manage groups of hundred, tens etc so only the difficult matters were referred to him. Until that simple obvious advice was given, Moses was struggling in managing the people despite being called of God. This was Moses who was completely raised in the house of Pharaoh (and was raised as a prince) you would expect he should know the basics of administration/human resource management. Are you suggesting that the fact that Moses did not have admin skills meant he was not called by God? And he has a history of murder anyway. By the stadards of tbjwatch a man with a history of murder could not be called by God Men of God can get things wrong sometimes – that is evidence that we are human. That is why they need others with specialist skills to take care of other things.
TBJ is no engineer/business man, he is hardworking prophet. You have to give him credit putting in the effort to do what he is doing – developed a live global platform and actively ‘frying the demons’
I I will continue this post later……
@Newman
TB Joshua doesn’t need to be an engineer – that’s why governments like Nigeria have building safety standards and an inspection/approval process. Why didn’t SCOAN get approval for ANY of their buildings. If they had, then they would be 100% in the clear now, instead it would be the inspectors at fault. This oversight cost 116 people their lives – don’t you think someone should answer for that?
Hello, there is a difference between getting approval for a building and having a building which is structurally sound. The two are NOT the same. I know of buildings that have all the permits but which collapsed. So implying the building collapsed becos there was no permit is fallacy.
Dont just keep throwing anything you can find – take some time to analyse!!!!!
@Newman
1) we know from the extensive coroner’s report that the building WAS NOT structurally sound
2) getting approval is a legal requirement, and they did not fulfill it.
3) If they had got approval and the building had still collapsed, it would be the government inspectors being summoned to court, not TB Joshua.
Helloooo,
The building was clearly not structurally sound otherwise it would not collapse.
Where does one first build and then ask for building permission and the necessary building permit ?
Where is your conscious? Where in the world is this common practice ?
There is no normal talk with you. You are an idiot. I hope you did build illegally as well and find you out and see how you defend yourself in court and how you are going to get away with it.
You are worse than a fool. You are doing your own thing as you see fit and whether it is legal or not for you its the same thing.
Try in America, Europe, China, Australia and see how they will fine you.
And the structural fineness is clearly not working if there was well functioning foundation.
You refuse to read the report. You are brain dead. Come on over to America and Europe. Go build illegally for over 11 years and when then finally a building collapsed let me see if they will not address you if you are the owner of it. Whether by corporate body or singular.
You just say things to throw in a insane selfish story to let yourself off from it. And as long TBJ is walking around free you will continue say your dumb stories.
So the sooner he will be taken into custody the less we have to listen to your sick mental insane stories of madness.
Again Newman.
I did not see any demons been fried. Whether metaphorically or for real.
What I did see was people making up stories what makes you all spiritists which is forbidden in Deuteronomy 18.
You shall not use or speak with familiar spirits.
That is what you all do and record i on tape. You are an abomination before God. You do what God has forbidden. But I know why you all doing it. You do it for sensationalism and creating a name for yourself while most of it is a sham and you can get away with it in Nigeria and other churches who aredoing the same.
Why not come over to a specially set up place where we can bring the true sick and demon possessed and then do what you are doing there in the business premises.
I know and everybody knows that that is not gonna happen because we know that it will not happen where TBJ and his Wisemen are not in control. We also know that TBJ has a nice excise for it. An invisible white line he only seems. Really ? He is such a joker. An invisible white line ? Really ? Imagine Jesus is telling He is following an invisible white line. Please stop the BS will you now.
Read your bible boy!
Spirits are NOT being consulted. They are in the process of being cast out hence manifesting. The instructions are against CONSULTING spirits. When Jesus was casting out devils did you notice there was an occasion the spirits begged to be sent to a specific place. Did they speak to JESUS or not?
Mat 8:31The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”
You seem to throw quotations without an iota of understanding!
Hey Jesse. You are truely audacious!
You sit in the comfort of your room behind your computer and decide the problems people present at SCOAN are all made up. At least you have seen the ulcers which have healed. Ulcers captured on video cannot be made up. If for over 25-30yrs TBJ has been able fool the world that he can heal people and managed to get people traveling from all over the world to come to SCOAN at least you have to give him credit for the best actor in the world.
He has been rated by Time Magazine as one of the top faith healers in the world – that was years ago (http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1878443_1842216,00.html)
Can you tell Time Magazine to stop rating the BS?
You think Time Magazine will put their reputation on the line and public this without verification?
So one sentence of agreeing about entering in the pigs. If for you a 30 minute interrogation.
Well why do you do the same when the law in the Bible says that you need to kill so and so because of their sin ? Go read in Deuteronomy and Leviticus and do exactly what it says there literally. But you don’t. Because you take one thibg and you condone but the other you forfeit.
You are in religion and religion hurts. If you want to do the whole Bible then start also doing all the kill commands that God says you must do.
You are a bigot. A madman with pick and mix and take the cherry from the cake but don’t eat the rest because you pick and choose what you see fit for your crazy actions.
Jesus never asked for the demons name. He asked THE MAN His name and the demons answered. If Jesus was interested in the demo s names he would have asked for all 2000.
That is what you get when you are an isolated rogue idolater of TBJ because of what you see you copy but can’t. Exactly that. Plus in SCOAN they do it within their walls under their control.
Let them come out to Europe and start looking for demons there. We have loads of them here all over. Or in America in the streets not in preconditioned buildings.
SCOAN is a scam.I know it TB Joshua Watch know it but you don’t. That is why something such as a screw is loose in you.
That’s a lie I am sitting in MC Donalds right now on a barstool and on a hand held.
You have no clue. I went on the streets. Speaking to diverse people.
You are a joker.
If the real objective of tbjwatch is to enable people to follow the truth. I am hereby requesting tbjwatch to set up additional blogs gay/lesbian christians such as gaychristianwatch or lesbianchristianwach so we can have a platform to expose the error of their ways to them
I am throwing this challenge to tbjwatch now!
@tbjoshuawatch hands are full exposing this megalomaniacal charlatan to pursue other interest.
The damage to the body of Christ by TB Joshua is such a great calling that the owners of this blog have out of their passion for the lost and deluded like yourself chosen to focus on TB Joshua.
Instead of juvenile ‘challenges’, pray instead that your eyes will be opened and you will turn from worthless charms and amulets and serve the Living God
How did you conclude that I use charms and amulets? That’s what you use.
Don’t assume everybody else uses them.
If TBJ uses charms and amulets, ow come he frequently exposes those who bring them in his church?
Remember the devil will not allow his agents to expose the inner workings of his kingdom else it will fall.
Charms and Amulets are. The muslim/catholic prayer wristband from TBJ made to a personal charm in believing that his god with small letter is answering all their muslim/catholic way of doing prayers by reciting it 100 times. While the Bible says that God hates repetitive prayers and that they are like the ones from the Pharisees and Sadducees.
Then we have the “anointing water” 1.0 three different applications. Version 2.0 which is supposed to save you if you apply it..version 3.0 is rebranded to “morning water”which rather sounds like if somebody has been peeing in it from 6 am.
And you are championing it and promoting it as the only way God can answer their prayers..While Amputees still stay the same when they enter in. And none of the amulets and charms did work on the victims of the collapsed hostel.
And none of the Charms and Amulets did work on bunion toes, varicose veins, Alzheimers, dementia, arthritis, hip problems, eye problems and glasses problems. Oh and I forgot vaginal discharge. Which took a year to complete. If not just by natural ways and means. And blind girls refused in the prayer line and told to watch Emmanuel TV at home.
@Newman my first response to that “challenge” is to laugh out loud, my second response is sadness that you would classify people who have same sex attraction in the same category as a blasphemous false prophet who’s responsible for the deaths and abuse of many people.
You see where your hypocrisy lies!
Even if you set up a blog that saves just one gay/lesbian christian from the error of their ways, the whole of heaven will rejoice. Don’t you value the souls of gays/lesbians since the bible specifically says it is a sin? How about the fact that there are a lot of men of God more prominent than TBJ. Cant you set up some Oyedepowatch or ChrisOyakilhomewatch. Bennyhinwatch etc so we can keep ALL the men of God on their toes. These men of God are all equally rich! Why focus on only TBJ?
You focus on SCOAN It is because he is doing MAXIMUM damage to the kingdom of Satan – the kingdom you work for!
You give the impression your hands are full just operating this blog. How disingenuous! Apart from the initial setup (which could take up to 30mins) we contribute to the blog. What extra effort does it take to maintain this blog when there is not even a moderator, that you will give an excuse that your hands are full? If your hands are full could you please employ more hands. We will find sponsors for them.
Jesus said a kingdom divided against itself will not stand. If TBJ works for the devil how come he has been exposing the inner workings of the demonic world and literally ‘frying’ every demon that steps into SCOAN. The kingdom of Satan is truly suffering in the hands TBJ and his wise men. So Satan will send the likes of you. to tell people not to go to SCOAN because most of those who go to SCOAN die soon after. I thought most of you bloggers here would be dead by now becos most of you say you have been to SCOAN. Why are you all still alive?
You think the devil and his angels are so STUPID they will come unprovoked and expose the activities of each other to the public as they are manifesting and doing at SCOAN without being compelled to do so by the Holy Spirit?. Just watching Emmanuel TV alone amounts to a course on demonology – how demons work behind the scenes to keep us under bondage!!! Thank God for Emmanuel TV!!. It is changing lives that is why coverage is expanding like it is. Personally since I started watching Emmanuel TV I have been wide awake to some of the subtle methods demons use to initiate people to their kingdoms from fashion to internet to music etc etc.
When it was reported to Jesus there were some people who were not his disciples but who were working miracles what did he say?
Mark 9:38 – 39
John said to Jesus, “Teacher, we saw someone using your name to cast out demons, but we told him to stop because he wasn’t in our group.”
“Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me,
The scriptural thing to do according to Jesus is to LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just leave SCOAN ALONE!!
I see you want to have maximum impact.
You want to play the numbers game?
The community of gay/lesbian Christians (who are effectively LIVING in sin) around the world is large. If it is numbers you are interested in you will be saving probably several hundreds of thousands or millions – certainly more that SCOANITES. So you get to work now!
Actually, someone has already made one. It is found at gcmwatch.com.
Hello guys!
TBJ was once rated by Time Magazine as one of the top faith healers in the world – that was years ago (http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1878443_1842216,00.html)
Can you tell Time Magazine to stop rating the BS?
You think Time Magazine will put their reputation on the line and public this without verification?
Good Luck tbjwatch!
@Newman now you’re just being dishonest. Where exactly was he named as one of the top faith healers in the world? Yes, he was included in a selection of pictures of faith healers throughout the world, but that included ecuadorian shamanic rituals and witchcraft in Senegal. So if this endorses TB Joshua, it endorses all of the others too.
Time magazine is a non faith-based magazine.
The article they carried is not about Christianity (Read it). It is about scientifically proving that fatih-healing works irrespective of the religion.
Read their cover story here (http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1879179,00.html). As part of their research, they have gone round the whole world and sampled what they considered the top 16 and that included TBJ – that was many years ago. THE MESSAGE HERE IS THIS THEY HAVE RESEARCHED WHETHER PEOPLE GET HEALED OR NOT AND HAVE FOUND IT TO BE TRUE.
IF YOU WANT TO CONTEST THAT ASSERTION PLEASE CONTACT TIME MAGAZINE EDITORS AND PROVE TO THEM WHY YOU THINK THEY ARE WRONG IS SAYING THE TBJ HEALINGS ARE TRUE.
WHEN YOU HAVE PROVEN THE FALSEHOOD OF SCOAN HEALINGS TO TIME MAGAZINE, PLEASE REPORT BACK TO THIS BLOG!!
THIS IS YOUR CHALLENGE. I hope you will not categorize this as a ‘juvenile challenge’
@Newman
This article says that “believing in a loving God” is healthy because of brain hormones or something like that. This does not help your argument.
We don’t care. We are not looking for human endorsement unlike you.
I am telling you. We really don’t care.
Scripturally speaking, the Holy Bible is always accurate in telling us that we are not IGNORANT of the devices of the devil’s old & worn out tactics that is always guaranteed to fall & fail against the true children of God.
ACTS 24:1-6:-
1 And after five days Ananias the high priest [antichrist prophet] descended with the [antichrist] elders, and with a certain orator [hired spin-doctor] named Tertullus, who informed the governor against Paul [TBJW].
2 And when he was called forth, Tertullus began to accuse him, saying,…For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews [antichrist Xtians] throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes [endtime watchmen]:
6 Who also hath gone about to profane the temple [antichrist church]:
Conclusively the same Holy Bible tells us that very many of these antichrist xtians will SURELY be deceived unto eternal destruction because they adamantly CHOSE to believe the ANTICHRIST LIE regardless of the blatant TRUTH OF CHRIST.
So even if THE FATHER gives them a long “life-rope” and allows them to live on the earth for another 900 years like Methuselah,
THEY WILL NEVER EVER REPENT UNTO THE TRUTH AND BE SAVED!!!
Therefore with the foreknowledge of God, the Word of God says of them both in the Old & New Testaments:
JEREMIAH 43:11
11 And when he cometh, he shall smite the land of Egypt [antichrist xtians], and deliver such as are for death to [ETERNAL] DEATH; and such as are for captivity to [ANTICHRIST] CAPTIVITY; and such as are for the sword to the SWORD [OF DELUSION].
ROMANS 1:18-26:-
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
25 Who changed the TRUTH of God into a LIE, and worshipped and served the creature [antichrist prophet] more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections [antichrist lies]:
2THESSALONIANS 1:11-12:-
11 And for this cause God shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe an [ANTICHRIST] LIE:
12 That they all might be DAMNED who believed NOT the TRUTH, but had pleasure in unrighteousness [antichrist prophets & churches].
THEREFORE LET THEM FULFILL THE SCRIPTURAL PROPHECY PERTAINING TO THEM JUST LIKE THEIR FORE-FATHER, FORE-RUNNER & ROLE MODEL:
MR. JUDAS ISCARIOT a.k.a THE SON OF PERDITION
NEED WE SAY MORE? NAY!
Newman,
Don’t be foolish.
If @tbjoshuawatch went for Muslims, somebody would wonder why they are not confronting Hinduism and if they went for both Hinduism and Islam, one would wonder why they are not addressing the intellectually challenged like yourself. In short, for anything they do, there is always something else’s that they could be doing.
Use your brains and focus on he CONTENT and don’t try to discern the intent because that is silly guesswork.
The idea that TB Joshua is targeted because he is having impact is so stupid is does not deserve a response. IS are busy terrorizing Muslims in Syria. Is it because those Muslims are having ‘maximum impact’?
Boko Haram too can use your argument to claim that the only reason they are being attacked is because they have ‘maximum impact’😆😆😆😆
Try and use your head before growing tantrums at your god being exposed here
Peter tells you that if you suffer for sinning you don’t deserve mercy. TB Joshua cut corners with the vbuilding and it cost 116 lives. For his greed, he needs to account
1 Peter 4:15-16 King James Version (KJV)
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters.
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Well said @Vooke
Some people once they fail to address a topic at hand they make up wild & goofy arguments like @Newman’s
I am not asking tbjwatch to go for members of any other religion. Just concentrate on those in the christian faith whom are LIVING a decidedly sinful lifestyles such a gay/lesbian Christians and bring them to the truth. Even id your website saves just ONE, the whole of heaven will rejoice
Stop telling me about ISIS Boko Haram and the rest. That is a long shot. If you are simply interested in the truth of the gospel concentrate on the adulterated christian message.
Newman,
1. TB Joshua preaches ‘adulterated Christian message’. That’s why this blog exists. So what’s your point? They should let this charlatan and profeffisional video editor Scot free and focus elsewhere? Where is Jesus Christ in recording women old enough to be your mother defacating? Imagine if your mother was used for such nefarious publicity stunt😳
2. And about John the Baptist, you simply are not told whether it was revealed to him of his death or not. You are guessing. You are arguing from silence
TB Joshua amulets and charms could not foresee his own 116-strong human sacrifices,yet he can ‘foresee’ a light Cessna craft blue/white crashing on a mountain top in a nondescript European/Asian country
It has been repeatedly drummed your skull that even if there was miracles, these do not vindicate nobody. That’s why miracle workers and prophets will end up in hell after Jesus Christ disowns them
It is blasphemy worshipping man and calling him ‘God in flesh’. TB Joshua is your idol and for this you are in danger of hell fire
TB Joshua has the heart of lucifer and the Beast. How could he skip visiting the sick and praying with them even as pagans do? That was a perfect opportunity to manifest his skills! But he could never dare risk embarrassment
We rejoice in he Lord that you have strayed to this site. It is not an accident, you badly need deliverance from ignorance and idolatry. We pray that you will not harden your heart and make foolish pedestrian arguments defending your god
Stay blessed
Please stop calling people ‘foolish’. ‘idiots’ etc on this blog because they don’t tow your line. Just present your arguments. This blog has been dedicated solely to bringing down TBJ/SCOAN. You don’t have to state your intention in black and white. Everybody can tell the intention og this blog. If you don’t want us to assume then please state your intention in black and white for us all to read.
That is why I said in an earlier post that if it is just the truth you want to expose then include all other major churches and gay/lesbian Christians.
If you are not prepared to do that but only focus on TBJ/SCOAN then you HAVE a sinister motive.
If not can you post something POSITVE on TBJ/SCOAN on this website lets see!!!!!!!!!!!!
Something positive?
Many deluded folks at SCOAN are appalled by the depravity there that they walk away to never return.
YOU tbjwatch folk seem to pick and mix biblical quotations like salad!!!!!!!!!
The fact that you are quoting bible does not mean you have a clean intent.
THE DEVIL CAN QUOTE AS WELL!!!!!!
Why are you not wanting us to discern your intention for this website but to focus on the content. The intention for the website was first decided and the content was chosen to match.
Why have you never ever posted anything on TBJ/SCOAN ON YOUR BLOG?
PLEASE ANSWER THAT!!!!!!!
@ Newman,
I have posted on all the blogs including of Zavlaris. Only to see them deleted or just ignored. Or put in such way that others can’t read it or have to log in and only then see them. Is there than a point ? SCOAN is biased they only see the false worship thet get which shiws of which spirit they are of. I also have posted on all the media outlets online as well YouTube. Thousands of them.
But then again. You all only see your own posts as well that of your hypnotised followers to support your own confusion.
Newman,
The devil can also heal and perform magic. There was a girl in Acts with the spirit of divinity.
This means none of these vindicates anyone.
Your arguments are foolish and diversionary
This is another QUOTATION SALAD!
The SCOAN disaster is a classic example of TBJ/SCOAN becoming victims of their own success. SCOAN became so popular people were visiting in their hundreds each week. Makeshift provision has had to be made for them. That was where the lapses in obtaining permits etc arose. But again I said TBJ is no Engineer/Project/Manager/Architect etc. He is primarily a prophet. Other people failed to do their job properly and the devil exploited the lapse.
Yes SCOAN/TBJ have to answer. But that is the due process.
Why are you being so impatient with the due process?
it does not use tbjwatch time table.
@Newman, I’m glad you think SCOAN/TB Joshua have something to answer to – so how do you explain the way they are constantly trying to avoid it? Immediately after the event they were denying anyone was killed (just a few people trapped who are being rescued), then he was caught bribing journalists to report with a positive spin (e.g. focus on those rescued), then they started the ridiculous claims about Boko Haram/the US government/an infrasonic weapon/controlled demonlition etc… then he repeatedly refused to come to court when summoned leading to the judge threatening to arrest him and SCOAN have repeatedly appealed to try and put the investigation to rest. We’re all for due process – it’s SCOAN that seems to have a problem with it.
@ Newman,
Can you stop using excuses why this and why that. You by your own story now prove it was not God that did it but yourself. Aka walking in the flesh instead of in the spirit.
SCOAN did their own agenda not that of God.
Read your own words now.
SCOAN made people believe they were nothing without coming to SCOAN for whatever.
That’s wrong. But whatever you will never understand that.
SCOAN made themselves to an Idol with false promises that without coming there and this water and prayer wristband charms they would be unable to be successful in life ahem yes the result we all can see if you want to see it that is.
In their religious zealotry they cause stampede after stampede and you all saw it as a move of God while the door was wide open to Satan and out of control confusion to waltz in because of your own delusion. Bang ! You all got what you deserve in not making Jesus as centerpiece in your midst but your deluded false private prophet and now blood on your hands because of your stupid misguided pride.
There without Bible Scriptures spelled put.
Wonderful posts newman. The spirit bears witness wiTh the spirit. The Gospel is the power of God for the salvation of many. What reali is tbjw’s Main objective? Is it 2 get tbj to repent or stop pipo 4M going 2 tbj’s church or show hOw wicked tbj is?
Why did u set up this blog? What do u want 2 gain?
Look @ th man u stand condeming n insulting. He has never @ any point responded 2 u. U hav said it yoself tht this man wilL never repent but y do u kip writing all tht u do abt him. U then agree with me tht u just beating in th air. And if u beating th air there is no reward 4 u.
Y don’t u dedicate this blog 2 preaching Christ nd him alone that soul may get their salvation. Christ did not say go in2 the world n condemn tbj tht souls mayb saved. Yo reward comes from wining souls 2 christ not condeming a man who u strongly bliv will never repent. Stop wasting yo time nd engage in talking abt JESUS. Hve a gret day 2 u all n its goodmorning 2 newman
Time magazine is a non faith-based magazine.
The article they carried is not about Christianity (Read it). It is about scientifically proving that fatih-healing works irrespective of the religion.
Read their cover story here (http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1879179,00.html). As part of their research, they have gone round the whole world and sampled what they considered the top 16 and that included TBJ – that was many years ago. THE MESSAGE HERE IS THIS THEY HAVE RESEARCHED WHETHER PEOPLE GET HEALED OR NOT AND HAVE FOUND IT TO BE TRUE.
IF YOU WANT TO CONTEST THAT ASSERTION PLEASE CONTACT TIME MAGAZINE EDITORS AND PROVE TO THEM WHY YOU THINK THEY ARE WRONG IS SAYING THE TBJ HEALINGS ARE TRUE.
WHEN YOU HAVE PROVEN THE FALSEHOOD OF SCOAN HEALINGS TO TIME MAGAZINE, PLEASE REPORT BACK TO THIS BLOG!!
THIS IS YOUR CHALLENGE. I hope you will not categorize this as a ‘juvenile challenge’
@Newman
How much of your own link to the TIME article do you actually understand?
Hear are just a few observations of the article:
“First described in the medical literature in the 1780s, the placebo effect can work all manner of curative magic against all manner of ills”
“The brain appears to be able to target the placebo effect in a variety of ways,”
“A similar analysis by Daniel Hall, an Episcopal priest and a surgeon at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, found that church attendance accounts for two to three additional years of life. To be sure, he also found that exercise accounts for three to five extra years and statin therapy for 2.5 to 3.5. Still, joining a flock and living longer do appear to be linked.”
“Religious belief is not just a mind question but involves the commitment of one’s body as well,” says Ted Kaptchuk, a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School. “The sensory organs, tastes, smells, sounds, music, the architecture of religious buildings [are involved].” Just as the very act of coming into a hospital exposes a patient to sights and smells that are thought to prime the brain and body for healing, so may the act of walking into a house of worship.”
“In the 1990s, Marci Campbell, a professor of nutrition at the University of North Carolina, helped launch a four-year trial called North Carolina Black Churches United for Better Health. The project signed up 50 churches with a goal of helping the 2,500 parishioners eat better, exercise more and generally improve their fitness. The measures taken included having pastors preach health in their sermons and getting churches to serve healthier foods at community events.”
“The program was so successful that it has been renamed the Body and Soul project and rolled out nationally — complete with literature, DVDs and cookbooks — in collaboration with the National Cancer Institute and the American Cancer Society.”
Source: http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1879179-1,00.html
@Newman
If you think this is the research that authenticates TBJ’s miracles then you have proven your ignorance beyond reasonable doubt and discussing with you is pointless.
The article doesn’t say that the research sampled what they considered “top 16”, they just gave examples of faith healing/healers that are out there and TBJ happened to make the list of examles. The churches that we are told were sampled are 50 and in North Carolina. Is SCOAN in North Carolina?
Your argument here is warped my friend, but even if we follow it, the conclusion is that there is nothing special about TBJ healings as it appears muslims, shamans & pagans can do the same thing. True Biblical miracles of the God of the Bible stand out.
If your brain is involved in making your health condition better then that’s not a miracle.
Miracles of Biblical proportions cannot be explained. That’s why they are called MIRACLES.
Your article states that the person must know that they are being prayed for. Do you know that in Biblical miracles this was not a requirement to be restored? Here are the examples AGAIN, that you keep ignoring:
Lazarus’ was dead (John 11 1-44), Tabitha she was dead (Act 9:40), Eutychus was dead (Act 20:9-10).
Your article cannot explain these real & genuine miracles which we haven’t seen and will never see in SCOAN.
You see you are caught???
The main thrust of your arguments are that no miracles happen at SCOAN its all fake.
This is now between you and TIME Magazine.
Call them and prove to them they were wrong in including TBJ/SCOAN among the 16.
And see what they say.
Your blind hatred of TBJ/SCOAN is getting you into uncharted waters
Oh Newman, please actually read the article you’re referring to, and then look up the definition of “placebo effect”! The article never claimed any of the miracles were “real”, in fact the main thrust of it was that faith healing (of any type) can be beneficial because of the positive psychological affect it has on you, not because there is any inherent power behind it. It was no more positive about TB Joshua than traditional shamanic healing.
BTW, I’m not aware of anyone on this blog claiming there have never been any miracles at SCOAN, our point is that those that are claimed are not backed up with credible evidence, and there are many, many failures (often with fatal consequences) that are brushed under the rug.
@ General,
Newman very likely needs a frontal lobe himself miracle to think rational and not imaginary biased as seeing fake miracles and rediculous demon interrogations as real.
Clearly biased as true many have been deceived successfully with these ancient old tricks. Please watch “Miracles for sale.” from Derren Brown Illusionist. How a lying fake pastor can deceive ignorant and gullible followers.
May I suggest that when they call all those cripple to hand them bags of mealie meal and rice and whatever else at month-end and showcase it as glorious act of compassion (some of us know this to be marketing), because this is primarily a place of great healing, that SCOAN should commence by HEALING them first and the ration be a bonus, so that in Nigeria there should be no cripple left in time? Or at least in Lagos…
Why are miracles only the privilege of foreigners and the Nigerians get bags of whatever?
You remind of this video by Joshua Debunker
The fac is many years ago (Just look at the picture in the link TBJ was very young then) of all Christian churches, Time Magazine found TBJ/SCOAN credible enough to include him in their list after combing around the globe.
They found the TBJ/SCOAN healings credible. If they were fake, they would have been exposed long ago. That is my point.
@Newman, clearly you still haven’t read (or at least comprehended) the article. I don’t think there’s much else that can be done to convince you, but this was not in anyway an endorsement of TBJ or an acknowledgement that he had any power.
The question you should be asking is.
The cripples are aware they can be healed But have they asked to be healed?
Don’t you notice that even Jesus sees a blind man and then asks what I originally thought was a strange question ‘What can I do for you?’
There is something we call ‘felt need’ What YOU think somebody needs is not necessarily what THEY think they need.
You cannot do much for a person until their felt needs tallies with what you perceive as their need.
I have personally met blind men begging on the streets and told them ‘I want to pray for you to be able to see’.
To my surprise they preferred my money because blindness is their business once they can see, they have to look for jobs.
@ Newman that thinks that everybody lays at his feet and shares his ludicrous ideas
The reason will be different in your case. You put yourself in their face as their sole provider of a miracle by saying the Name of Jesus. And when it is not happening you tell them they have no faith. I would make the same excuse then to walk away from you because I wouldn’t like to made look silly in the presence of other while the expectation was high enough for a miracle and it did not occur.
May I suggest that when the cripple come to collect their monthly ration at this primarily place of healing and demon destruction that they be healed first? In fact, isn’t it a bit ridiculous to give food to a man in need of healing at a healing place and then send them home to come collect next month but never get their healing?
I think it will be spectacular for us to witness to that and see no more cripple in Nigeria, or at least Lagos in time, thanks to TBJ…
Or, are the healings reserved for foreigners who paid good money to come to Naija?
The bible said Ask and you will be given.
Nobody can give you healing you have NOT asked for even if he thinks yo need it!!!
There is a difference between a ‘perceived need’ and a ‘felt need’.
The cripples were given what they asked for
This crippled man here asked for healing and he hot it –
Watch it and get back to me!!!!
”BTW, I’m not aware of anyone on this blog claiming there have never been any miracles at SCOAN, our point is that those that are claimed are not backed up with credible evidence, and there are many, many failures (often with fatal consequences) that are brushed under the rug”
I am glad at least you finally admit that miracles happen at SOCAN
@Newman
Sigh….. comprehension really isn’t one of your strengths is it?
No it isn’t.
ENTER THE SCRIPTURE:
2THESSALONIANS 1:11…And for this cause God shall send them [such a] STRONG DELUSION, that they should [UNBELIEVABLY] believe a LIE!
It really pains one to say this: Whom God has DELUDED let no man convince otherwise!
It really gladdens one to also say: Whom God has ELECTED let no man convince otherwise!
This TBJW website has stood in the GAP for many erstwhile gullible believers all over the world who could otherwise have been SNARED by these antichrist trickery of false miracles, healings, signs & wonders depicted by these antichrist churches far more than many true christian churches have been doing lately.
So imagine a web-site evangelizing the TRUTH better than a church-site!
Now what other MOTIVE can one ask if a simple web-site using simple divine-wisdom can keep confusing, confounding and capitulating these antichrist churches with all their thousands of supporters and millions of dollars proving as always that:
ONE WITH GOD IS INDEED A MAJORITY!
What miracles ? The bunion toes, the varicose veins, Alzheimers, Dementia, glasses wearers such as Racine, eye problems, hip problems, ankle problems, arthritis, all the kind of stuff diseases we came along with but never one got healed of anything of the above.
Why is it that multiple people with genuine problems who were independent from each other not able to get healing ? Were they all lacking faith as you purport ? How can individual people or different gender, age and schooling end up in the same back on the plane ?
Don’t let me tell you of the girl who as an aspiring tennis player, who came with early arthritis in her joints, she had been in the prayer line was not healed but forced to do skipping ropes in the side aisle of the church and even had a second private audience with TB Joshua in the office but still went home not healed and never heard about again and moved to Australia because of death threats in South Africa.
Then not to tell you about someone who was prophesied in getting a baby while she never had got a baby afterwards and it aborted all by itselves again even though TB Joshua said by next year you will have a baby. She even was called back in TB Joshua’s office in where he was cracking jokes to her in just trying to be funny of how depressive again.
What about the man that was in the prayer line that came and genuinely was telling his ordeal on camera and after being in the prayer line had severe depression that he never had.
Or the guy that had a blood disorder and could not tell if he was healed from his infirmity.
And the guy that had twisted intestine problems who was so angry at some point that he wanted to step to the police about the way they treated him.
And not to express my anger about telling a blind girl to go home and watch Emmanuel TV after begging to be in the prayer line and was refused.
Or the man that had a hernia somewhere and begged if they could get him to Lagos because otherwise he had to go for an operation instead in not having this opportunity.
And what about the man that sits in the wheel chair and telling him that they don’t have any of those elevators at SCOAN to get him inside.
No, that kind of stuff does not disgust you don’t you ? All you care as long as it to the “Glory of God” even if TB Joshua would be riding a Tricycle in his mothers womb claiming to people that he was 15 months in her womb and later even 21 months. Now what is it now ? 15 or 21 ? And also spying upon God of what he does. Spying what ? He spied nothing else than looking through the keyhole of his own bedroom or play games with his children. I spy with my little eye game.
How can such a fantasist be sent from God ?
Watch this video those of you talkng about cripples in Nigeria – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj4WtEfNADg
Yes and look at the man still walking strangely and gingerly. He likely could walk already before. Where is he now ? Does he run marathons already ? Why don’t we see him in the news making the next 100 meter Olympic Games record ? Because if he was healed by God, he should be able to do that now.
These two statements are includd in your introductory blog above:
“….Many people who seek healing at SCOAN die soon after…….”
“…If you are considering visiting SCOAN for healing, we strongly advise you to not waste your life and your money. ”
These two statements of yours do not suggest you believe anything credible happens in SCOAN
If comprehension is not one of my strengths, do YOU comprehend the implications of these two statements of tbjwatch?
@Newman
You said “The main thrust of your arguments are that no miracles happen at SCOAN its all fake.”
My point is we’ve never said it’s ALL fake, and neither of the statements you quote say that. It might be all fake, there might be miracles happening but not of God (e.g. Matt 24:24), maybe God in his grace occasionally grants peoples desire despite looking in the wrong place, what we know for certain is there is a huge amount of trickery going on and a massive amount of it IS fake. We also know that desperate people give up their lifes savings to visit SCOAN looking for a cure, and don’t find it. I can think of at least 4 credible news/documentary organisations that have exposed the fraudulent healing at SCOAN – there’s not a single one that has shown it to be real. People deserve to be warned.
THIS IS FAKE OPPOSITION BLOG AGAINST TB JOSHUA. I SEE THAT WE ALL LOVE THIS GREAT MAN OF GOD.
I INVITE ALL OF YOU TO WATCH EMMANUEL TV DAY AND NIGHT.
No thanks,
Very unhealthy for yourself to watch 24/7 Emmanuel TV. It will deprive you of sleep that is necessary to recuperate when go to work, do something physical, eat, drink and relax.
God is never expecting that from us to do such folly. He clearly SAYS:
Psalm 127:1 A Song of Ascents, of Solomon. Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman keeps awake in vain. 2 It is vain for you to rise up early, To retire late, To eat the bread of painful labors; For He gives to His beloved even in his sleep.
And we have seen with all the vanity you all have as followers of him. But when it comes for him he removes himselves from you and goes somewhere to sleep or whatever he does. No mortal man can be without sleep. God created Day and Night. The night is for sleep, not for crazy mad prayer meetings because God is 24/7. It’s an African invention that you must pray at night to let things happening. Nicholas Duncan-Williams is doing this all the time but what is he actually moving ? Please tell me what they can move what cannot be done in the daytime ?
Then advice to watch EmTV day and night is just ridiculous and not workable for anyone that works by day. And it does not make any difference whatsoever. I rather watch a good movie instead. Go and brainwash yourself with your idol ways of doing. Not interested.
Marilyn Vos Savant would never watch a minute of this silliness on screen a woman with an IQ of 228.
This is you and your other friends with the idolatry of TB Joshua he keeps gas lighting you and his followers.
Your prophet must not be mine. I am sure your read below this webpage that we should maintain civility: when you call my brother and prophet names like Jezebel, knowing whom she is makes me feel like telling to go screw her. Otherwise, in your ignorance, you wouldn’t believe me when I say I had four broken ribs healed by touching the screen when TBJ was preaching; my family pressured me to go to the SCOAN and there they got the shocking messages we leave it to God, Who took revenge on those who attacked me by killing instantly and breaking the bones of the other, castrating him in the process and on the spot in their stolen bike accident and in revenge of the attack on me here in Bambui, Cameroon. Our General who died a few minutes to seeing my (our) prohet must have met with fate, and could have been healed if he met my (our) prohet. You are probably pissed he (TBJ) is from Africa and thanks to His Holiness Olumba Olumba Obu (OOO) Whom you would wish He were born in the West and not Africa–Would that even stop France (especially) from faking, masterminding and crying wolf of rebels and boko haram in the dire need of looting the wealth of African states and killing our generals, their body guards and cooks? Your sense of humor or of God is so perversedn ! And God is watching!!!
DOMI DG,
Would you watch your mother defacate and suffer the entire world to watch her all in the name of deliverance?
Turn away from those worthless idols,charms and amulets and serve the living God.
Newman;
Jesus said; “A false prophet will be able to heal, deliver and do great miracles in His Name, but because he is a worker of iniquity (lawlessness) Jesus will say to him in the end to go away from Him, because Jesus never knew him.”
15″Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16″You will know them by their fruits” – Mathew 7:15
And Newman;
Jesus also said:
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord,
have we not prophesied in Your Name,
cast out demons in Your Name, and
done many wonders in Your Name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
http://www.nigeriafilms.com/image.aspx?img=Y29udGVudC9jb250ZW50L1RCSm9zaHVhLmpwZ3w2NjA=
Jesuit hand signals of Rome;
http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.co.za/2010/03/more-masonic-handsigns.html
And Jesus said;
Don not do your charities, where everyone can see it!
1″Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven. 2″So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, AS THE HYPOCRITES DO IN THE SYNAGOGUES and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.…Mathew 6:1-2
@Just Wonder,
‘Hypocrites in Synagogues…’
That’s as prophetic as it can get!!
@Just Wonder
You know this has always puzzled me. I’ve seen sincere folks who are aware of this scripture and even quote it on several occasions. But when it comes to TBJ, instead of applying this scripture & call him out, they completely forget about it & hail the man for his “gracious giving” shown on Emm TV. Puzzling how they never catch this.
And Newman;
The Bible describes TB Joshua further; Let alone all his false ‘prophecies’
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies–bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority.
13 They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
14 With eyes full of adultery https://tbjoshuawatch.wordpress.com/tag/sexual-abuse/ , they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed–an accursed brood!
15 They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness.
17 These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them.
18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.
19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity- 2 Peter 2
8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority-
12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead.
13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.
24 To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy—
25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen- Jude.
WHATCH EMMANUEL TV, FOR BLESSING, DELIVERANCE, HEALING. OLSO WATCH IT FOR GOD WORDS. READ YOUR BIBLE AND STOP NONSENSE LONGWRITING SAYING RUBISH. WE ARE PRAYING FOR YOU !!!
@ Domi DG,
You have been praying you say. Well I am sorry, I cannot report anything else than the usual of the day in day out, so what are you praying for ? Pray do tell ? Maybe you need to pray harder. Your god might be asleep or is on holiday. Perhaps a 3 day dry fast would help ? If not please do a 40 day fast. After 5 years you have been praying it never made any difference to write home about at all. You probably do not have enough faith to move your imaginary detractor mountains and other mind matters you have been coming up with for so long. You are clearly not a righteous man, because the Bible says the prayers of a righteous man availeth much. Please start to confess your sinning against us and the idolatry of a mortal man like everyone is maybe that helps.
@ Newman
Shame man, is it even worth anything to pity you?
Acts3:6 – Then Peter said (to the CRIPPLED BEGGAR), “Silver or gold I do not have, but what I have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk”
Obviously your cult got more gold and silver than healing to dish out to the crippled.
@ Newman
“…Felt need…”
We learn everyday, so I have now learnt another way god works (in SCOAN obviously)
Jesse,
Just observing. Seems like you have hopped churches/ministries severally before getting your spiritual bearing
@ Vooke,
I am not so good in expressing myself online that I sound well in my faculties and have been attacked on that very much and I am greatly struggling many times to choose the best words I can to tell that I am a person that has a long experience with many ministries that were out there from the 80’s and onward and have participated into them before I was participating in SCOAN.
Then I met one guy by the name Mark Haville who was deeply involved same way as I was and started his own input in the form of 2 videos which are called the “Signs and Wonders Movement Exposed”. He explains in there about those ministries where I was also into involved and why they were wrong and were very corrupt. After watching these videos, I realized that I was on the wrong path, which resulted that I desperately wanted to come out of that and the involvement of any of those ministries and the local church I was attending, which was also connected to most of these ministries. I spend three day and nights at his house, while helping him with his computers and video equipment and he showed me internal matters of many corrupt ministers involved and their court cases and other things related to that and how they were using court cases to pay off victims caused by the ministries of them.
I have seen court case papers myself and was shocked how this all was possible. I guess that at some point I realized I should get out of all this and did. While searching for a solution regarding some issues I had then, I came across SCOAN in 2001 and started to watch some videos online and the website “themaninthesynagogue”. After a long time and discussing with several pastors I knew at that time and some online discussions of friends I had, we decided to go to SCOAN first time on our own in 2007 which after so happened that I joined them later on in some of SCOAN branches and have been participating in all the things they were doing until I realized that I needed to come out of that as well because I had not found in SCOAN what I was looking for and realized I was wasting my time and money. My wife stayed a little longer because I did not wanted to influence her with my decision to leave. She left by her own accord after a few months because I made clear to her that I was finished with SCOAN and that she had to decide on herself what she wanted. And ever since we do not attend anything that is related to the Pentacostal movement. It goes very well at the moment with us and we are fine. While I was attending SCOAN and helping out there, I was constantly sick with lung problems and blocked sinuses and other physical issues, when I left SCOAN, it totally and completely stopped and disappeared.
What a journey it’s been hey, @Jesse. You could write a book.
I am not into writing books. There are plenty books written about it already. People just want to read to nice stories and lie to themselves instead of living the reality.
Everything today is geared up for living in another world except the reality of their daily life.
Smart-TV, X-box, Playstation, PC, Laptop, Iphone, Ipad, Tablets are all there for it. Most things are just games and a few things are practical and mostly geared in how they can get hold on your money and take over your life.
Then if you have on top a place such as SCOAN PR machine that works overtime 24/7 to make themselves famous especially when you are in that circle then you have everything to entertain you, except having a personal proper prayer life and interaction with God.
You have got to ask yourself why they write so much about a single person because they are all betting upon him to get better out of it financially and other matters.
What is getting more clear to me that he is now supported by other organizations and governments to draw in those that he has hooked on SCOAN for several political and other purposes, not for the salvation of people at all. There is no such thing in SCOAN such as water baptism, nor Holy communion, or something such as confirmation to serve God, then only one time off. And we know that people can just say this but actually are not doing that at all than living for themselves and are just pew sitters. And most of the people you see there are just people passing by, like who are everywhere in society already. I believe and are convinced that they are raising up people to infiltrate into companies, organisations and governments and extract information for the benefit of SCOAN to move and elbow themselves forward under religious pretenses. They mimic cleverly the bible and make up things as we see. They working day and night on this.
God cannot be in one place alone with certain people after all what has happened and still happening. Period.
This counts for TB Joshua, Todd Bentley, Steve Hill (deceased now), Benny Hinn, Morris Cerullo, Kim Clement, Brian Carn, Stephen Chaote, Paul Cain of who has ties with the CIA, Bishop Jordan, Bishop David Oyedepo, Chris Okiylahome, Enoch Adeboye, Mike Murdock, John Arnott, Makandiwa, Magaye, Uebert Angel and many more.
It just does not work like that. Dispensing miracles, serial deliverance and the like. It is a show and they keep it up.
JESSE you miss this !!!
REJOICE !
The most celebrated and eminent son of Nigeria and Africa as a whole, Prophet TB. Joshua of The Synagogue Church of All Nations (SCOAN) has been honoured as the ‘Yoruba Man of the Year’ 2015.
Out of the 500 nominees screened by the Planning Committee of the Association, the ‘Egbe Omo Oodua Parapo’, a coalition of 35 Pan-Yoruba groups drawn from different parts of the world, bestowed the honour on Prophet TB. Joshua
The statement also quoted Joshua’s contribution to improving Nigeria’s image abroad, saying “Across the world, many ask travellers from Nigeria: ‘Oh, you are From Pastor T.B. Joshua’s country?’ adding that The SCOAN was arguably the biggest tourist attraction in the ‘South West’, and that many foreigners would never have visited Nigeria if not for Joshua’s church.
Eulogising the Cleric, the group said, “We are proud that this generation has produced a Yoruba man, a Nigerian and an African that stands this tall,” the statement concluded.
Readers can recollect that on 20th February this year, TB Joshua was named “Yoruba Man of the Decade” and then going a step further to unseat the outspoken Nobel laureate Wole Soyinka to become the current “Yoruba Man of the Year”.
Source: Ghanaclass.com
Yes, Domi DG,
I am so happy for you, but it shows right there and then that you all are only interested in human endorsement and not that of God.
Imagine Jesus being decorated by all the local organizations with a medal.
And these organisations do what ? They chose first an Atheist as their “Yoruba Man of the Year”. Then next time somebody else because there is nobody else to choose from.
What does this help me or anybody else and even you ? The worlds decoration is useless. There is no advantage in any human title or endorsement at all. It has only to do with stroking the ego of oneself and feeling puffed up as you do now. Metchewwww.
Here is the story of Aesop in which a rich man was going to buy a slave for himself on the market. While the rich man was checking out different types or slaves and asked which one was the best slave, one so to speak stood out as the “super slave” who was bragging and puffing about himself of how good he was and how much he could do and also others who were witnessing about him too as the best slave to get for the rich man. So they urged the rich man to buy that “super slave” until all of sudden the rich man saw another slave neglected in a dusty corner and went over to him and asked if he would buy him as slave how he would perform in which the neglected slave answered. Well sir, this other man who is bragging so much about himself and others is probably the best slave for you to get because I am not so good in all those matter than this slave is bragging all about, but I can just do simple things and want to serve you with all my heart. The rich man then said: You sir, are going to be my slave because your heart is right and you are very sincere, while that other slave is bragging and telling how good he is, I know his heart is not right and evil and is a big egoist and only thinking about himself. So yes, dear sir, Welcome to my household and you are more than welcome to serve me for the rest of your life if you want to and if the years pass by I might give you freedom to set up your own business and I will help you with it.
DOMI DG,
@tbjoshuawatch does not exist to deny TB Joshua’s popularity, in fact they are on record saying his arrest may trigger a civil war.
But be honest, since when did fame and recognition amount to ANYTHING? In fact, our Lord Jesus Christ tells us to be wary of darlings of the world;
John 15:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
In Revelation, we find the Beast will be an extremely popular character
Revelation 13:3 (KJV)
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast
Further, it is interesting that TB Joshua is hailed for ‘spiritual tourism’. Nigeria is badly starved of tourism and even if souls are perishing ehile touring Nigeria that is still a good thing. Believers are led by scriptures and we can see past such frivolities. For comparison, Indian/Chinese temples are equally a tourist attraction. This does not in any way vindicate Budhism
Finally, before being swayed by highly publicized acts of ‘charity’, which really are marketing gimmickry, you should ponder, how much does SCOAN collect in offerings and seeds? A church exists to spread the gospel and charity. Charity is gospel in deed. I would not be surprised to find that those gifts are a negligible fraction of SCOAN revenues
This blog contends for the truth, the truth that TB Joshua religion is the furthest from Christianity and very dangerous.
@ Newman, Domi DG,
Let’s look at something what you call divine or spiritual. And I quote:
“Earlier at the proceedings, the counsel for SCOAN, Chief Lateef Fagbemi (SAN), who led 17 other lawyers, had informed the court that his client had an application challenging the court’s jurisdiction and seeking to quash the charges.
He had argued that it was important for the court to entertain the application before doing any other thing.
But the judge, in a short ruling, said he had noted the application and would hear it at the appropriate time, adding that the fundamental issue of service had to first be settled.
Before then, when the matter was called, a man who did not mention his name indicated appearance for the Registered Trustees of SCOAN and entered the dock.
He however stepped out of the dock after some meetings to return to his seat but was challenged by the judge.”
Why if God is for TB Joshua, why is he fighting so much to be exonerated ? And that physically ? Or have many people standing at the Court to protest. Why can’t he go himself to tell everything that he knows and believes that happened not in person ?
To me it means that God is not for TB Joshua at all. He is wearing out the council by using people like Jezebel is using her prisoners by wearing them out and using legions to receive adoration for himself. How is that God doing what ? God is interested to elevate TB Joshua by human elevation and accolades ? Where is Jesus here ? I don’t see Jesus here at all. I see a bunch of people doing anything in their carnal powers to twist, turn, wriggle, trying to influence, to irritate, to annoy, to hinder, to divert the course of Justice and the Law of the Land.
Do we see Jesus doing this ? Do we see God doing this ? No we don’t, we don’t see dragging of heels, changing direction, involving everybody from left right and center. We see Elijah all by himself making a show of Baal. Alone and because of his success he was down and out and feared for his life that Jezebel wanted to kill him. But God had a clear plan to resuscitate him supernaturally.
I don’t see anything like that happening with TB Joshua and you all who all are busy to hamper, hinder, frustrate, divert, protest, jump up and down about this.
It has become a complete show of madness taking place and a continual delay and keep trying to steer by human cleverness and abilities to get the court case thrown out.
Again let me make clear to all the Judges that God commands to do Judgment in Nigeria. Remember this of what the Lord has commanded in:
Deuteronomy 16:18 “You shall appoint for yourself judges and officers in all your towns which the LORD your God is giving you, according to your tribes, and they shall judge the people with righteous judgment. 19″You shall not distort justice; you shall not be partial, and you shall not take a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and perverts the words of the righteous.…
With all the protests you can see you are all and SCOAN delivered up to human efforts to get it all sorted.
Your own injustice of your self righteousness is clear before God and Jesus. Your self effort to undo your own choices you all did to build illegal and without building permit shows that you are a con organisation with trickery and are willing to go for the long term to keep deceiving and lying towards all people including me.
The commandment of the Lord is:
“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour” is the ninth (respectively the eighth according to the Word of God of the Ten Commandments, which are widely understood as moral imperatives by legal scholars, Jewish scholars, Catholic scholars, and Post-Reformation scholars.The book of Exodus describes the Ten Commandments as being spoken by God, inscribed on two stone tablets by the finger of God, broken by Moses, and rewritten on replacements stones by the LORD.
There are six things that the LORD strongly dislikes, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers. Proverbs 6:16–19
Thou shalt live by the Word of God, not by your own devices, abilities and your own intention as God commands.
If God was truly fighting for you than the Lord would have given you all a sign of His glory but until now it is not appearing than the sign given to King Nebuchadnezzar because of injustice and pride.
He reminds Belshazzar that Nebuchadnezzar’s greatness was the gift of God, and that when he became arrogant God threw him down until he learned humility: “the Most High God has sovereignty over the kingdom of mortals, and sets over it whomever He will.” Belshazzar has drunk from the vessels of God’s Temple and praised his idols, but he has not given honour to God, and so God sent this hand and wrote these words and Daniel reads then the words, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN, and interprets them for the king: MENE, God has numbered the days of YOUR kingdom and brought it to an end; TEKEL, you have been weighed and found wanting; and PERES, the kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.
To the Your Honourable Judges of Nigeria and the world, do as the Lord Almighty God Jehovah has commanded thee and set in His Word and Judge according what is just and righteous, not what others try to influence you with to be merciful and pass off evil as good and not so that evil can continue in the Land that the Lord has given you. Remove so in righteousness the evil from the Land and let the Glory of the Lord return to you and bless you when you have spoken just.
DOMI DG, it is written in the Word of God-
“I RECEIVE NOT HONOR FROM MEN”, JESUS SAID – John 5:41
and
“WOE UNTO YOU, WHEN ALL MEN SHALL SPEAK WELL OF YOU !
FOR SO DID THEIR FATHER OF THE FALSE PROPHETS”, JESUS SAID – Luke 6:26.
When are you going to make God’s Word the standard for you life?
Gbam!!!!!
You do not read the Bible, God’s people are not convene to the court, they are arrested and if needed through the traitors like Judah. TB Joshua had not commeted sins. The man of God deserves respect and honour !
Which Bible says thus?
Quote the scriptures
The level of ignorance by SCOANITE trolls is nauseating
Yes Domi DG,
Which person has taught you this ? That no man is without sin ?
1 John 1:7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have NO SIN, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is NOT in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.…
Proverbs 20:9 Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”?
Jeremiah 2:35 you say, ‘I am innocent; he is not angry with me.’ But I will pass judgment on you because you say, ‘I have not sinned.’
Romans 3:10
As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one;
James 3:2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
1 John 2:4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.
What did God command DOMI DG ? Did he command TB Joshua to allow to build illegally without building permit ?
What’s wrong with you man !!!!! Which God says such matters ? And that to Prophets ? And you are still blind to it ?
If you care about the weight of the Scripture you will know no mortal man or woman, child is without sin.
Ezekiel 22:2″And you, son of man, will you judge, will you judge the bloody city? Then cause her to know all her abominations. 3″You shall say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “A city shedding blood in her midst, so that her time will come, and that makes idols, contrary to her interest, for defilement! 4 “You have become guilty by the blood which you have shed, and defiled by your idols which you have made. Thus you have brought your day near and have come to your years; therefore I have made you a reproach to the nations and a mocking to all the lands.…
Thus reminding you of the innocent bloodshed of the collapsed victims of the illegal without building permit collapsed Hostel that was not a command from God to be built.
@ Domi DG,
Come again, Judas ? There was only one. And that one was prophesied and being fulfilled. Have you seen another that was prophesied as coming with the name of Judas.
Man, you are the most stubborn donkey I have ever seen in life. You are absolute not reasonable, not rational, brainwashed and perhaps you are paid for it to sit here to defend your cowardly false private prophet that does not want to come here to tell his side of the story or even in court.
I have never read anywhere in the Word of God that prophets are exempt from Court. But then again, the tue Biblical prophets were doing the right things (they did not allow to build illegally and without building permits for 11 years in a society as our, except some that is talked about that they were clearly false prophets and God put a stamp upon them that they were false and it was given for us as a warning to avoid them.
False prophets are for example who were caught out about:
#MH370
#Ebola
#Chibokgirls
#Boko Haram
#HIV/AIDS
#Hypocrites
#Avoidcourt by all means while preaching to leave it up to God but do the opposite when they are themselves in it.
#Private jet and deny and lie you have one.
#Lies
#Usemediaforjustifyingthemselves
Even the Apostle Paul had to testify in court about what he believed. (Acts 21) In fact, he even appealed to Caesar! There was no “Judas” here. There is no good Bible-based reason he should not have gone to trial like anyone else.
If they have a legitimate religious objection to something like this, why wouldn’t they have said it a year ago? Whenever someone objects to something they would normally have to do because they believe their religion opposes it, they need to say so ASAP.
They could literally have Joshua or a spokesman make a public statement in real life or on Facebook or a press release saying it is against their religious beliefs or teachings that Joshua should stand trial in Lagos. They could give all the scripture arguments that cause them to believe a “man of God” cannot go to trial like a Christian should. That wouldn’t be very hard. The authorities might not necessarily agree, but they could have worked something out. Even if they didn’t, it probably would have meant more than what SCOAN is doing now.
However, SCOAN’s spokespeople tried to argue that he was too busy attending the needs of families involved-but went on a crusade in Mexico and has not returned, even after the memorial service finished. The fact that they aren’t saying so is making Joshua and SCOAN more and more look like people who do not want their deeds exposed like darkness in the light. This reflects negatively on Joshua.
Bible verses:
2 Peter 2:12 & 13-17, as well as verses 19-21 of the same.
@ Observerdude,
Unless there is something seriously wrong in the Justice Department (s) ? Pretending they do something but trying to fizzle it out by stretching it out as long as possible and let it like as if they are really doing something.
You and me would never be able to walk away if they found people dead if we had illegal buildings. We would be arrested immediately.
He could not have been too busy because otherwise he would not have gone to Mexico and stayed there for a long time out of sight of anyone.
If he could go that long, he was able to go to Court and testify of what he thinks it is or was. Instead he lets everybody else pro him turn up for that with placards and protests at the Court.
To me that does mean that God is not doing anything about it and that they physically wearing out all venues possible in the Law structure to exploit to stall everything as long as possible.
In the mean time they try to recommend him as being very charitable and a pillar in society and picture him very “docile” and “loving” by chucking in lots of monies. bribes in diverse places.
That to me comes over as buying support from them because he gives them gifts. So far none have rejected it because he clearly targets those that needs the most such things.
I stay with the fact that he never had the command from God to allow what happened on New Land. That is what everyone does not see or does not want to see.
They are all “in it together”. And the smooth talk from TB Joshua is like “Hmmm, I am your brother, so, we do this and I will help you with this and that and together we make it work”. While in the meantime playing the victim and telling and playing his little violin to some of the authorities and what about “them” if it will fall apart, what about them, where do they go, are you going to take care of them ? Etc etc. Smooth talk, putting the burden of what he has created all by himself by being disobedient to God and the Government of Nigeria.
It’s just not fair and it is unrighteousness and it looks very bad for those that get the big brunt of it on their bread if they did a small thing wrong and have to suffer big time under it.
So they are treating it biased and in favour to SCOAN and those Engineers and it has nothing to do with God but their own smooth talks, trickery and scheming which to me is propelled by demonic forces of the Jezebel spirit.
Jezebel preys on the weaker to imprison them and plays the victim and sad face when it comes out for them. That is what I am seeing here, literally.
@Jesse
I see your point about manipulation. It is sad how they had people with strong beliefs about him show up, but not Joshua himself.
I remind you that a crane collapsed killing exactly the same number of people in Mecca September 11, 2015 (including Nigerians). What man of God is in court for that?
@DOMI G
I believe action was taken quite swiftly against those responsible for the Mecca crash, despite the fact they were a hugely powerful construction empire (Binladen Group). However, even if I’m wrong about that – what does it have to do with SCOAN? Are you saying that if one group culpable for a mass fatality gets let off, that means all should?
Let me remind you and the followers of TB Joshua and TB Joshua himself who claims that those of Ebola were cured by him.
Let’s analyse it for you and write it out shall we, in case you suffer from misunderstanding I will explain, so let’s read together.
Reported today for you to read and comprehend and you can tell TB Joshua of how his “anointed water” failed.
US Ebola Survivors Suffering Health Problems, Report Finds
The small number of people in the U.S. who contracted Ebola have all experienced complications from the disease after they recovered, including hair loss, joint pain and eye problems, according to a new report.
Researchers surveyed the eight people who were treated for Ebola in the United States during 2014, about five months after they were released from the hospital.
Six of these people (75 percent) said they experienced hair loss, joint pain and fatigue after their bout with the viral illness, although most of these patients said these symptoms went away after about two months.
Five survivors said they had eye problems, including pain, discomfort or blurriness, and two patients — Dr. Ian Crozier and Dr. Richard Sacra — required treatment for eye inflammation.
Six patients said they had cognitive or psychological symptoms after Ebola, such as short-term memory loss, insomnia, depression or anxiety. Three patients experienced abnormal sensations, like tingling or pins and needles, and one patient was treated for damage to peripheral nerves.
Seven of the eight patients still had at least one symptom lingering at time of the survey. The findings suggest that Ebola survivors may benefit from evaluation for eye, muscle, bone and nerve problems, the researchers said.
“It is clear that for patients who survived Ebola virus disease, the story does not end with their discharge from an Ebola treatment unit in West Africa or a hospital in the U.S., said Dr. Timothy Uyeki, senior author of the study and part of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Ebola Response Team.
The new study highlights the many unanswered questions about the health of Ebola survivors, Uyeki said. It’s not clear how often survivors experience complications, how long they last, and whether they are indeed caused by Ebola.
More research is needed that follows Ebola survivors for a long time, and compares them to healthy people, to answer these questions and better understand how to prevent and treat these complications, Uyeki said.
The report is published in the Dec. 17 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.
OKAYYYY !!!! Domi DG, please crawl back under your rock alright and get a grip on reality and tell your false private prophet the results of his failed endeavours. Your sure have an excuse why. Perhaps lack of faith or so ? Or whatever you can concoct in your hopelessness in keep trying to defend your charlatan ?
@ Domi DG,
Your are suffering from selfjustification.
The need to justify your actions and decisions and that of your false private prophet, especially the ones inconsistent with our beliefs, comes from the unpleasant feeling called cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance is a state of tension that occurs whenever a person holds two inconsistent cognitions. For example, “smoking will shorten the life which I wish to live for as long as possible” and yet “I smoke three packs a day”. The same about a collapse of an elsewhere building should exonerate any other collapse of a building ESPECIALLY that of TB Joshua’s and staff illegal and without building permit choice to do so.
Dissonance is bothersome in any circumstance but it is especially painful when an important element of self-concept is threatened. For instance, if the smoker considered himself a healthy person, this would cause a greater deal of dissonance than if he considered himself an unhealthy person because the dissonant action is in direct conflict with an image of himself. In this case, people who tried to stop smoking but failed start to think that smoking is not harmful as much as they thought.
There are two self-justification strategies: internal self-justification (IS) and external self-justification (ES)
Internal self-justification refers to a change in the way people perceive their actions. It may be an attitude change, trivialization of the negative consequences or denial of the negative consequences. Internal self-justification helps make the negative outcomes more tolerable and is usually elicited by hedonistic dissonance. For example, the smoker may tell himself that smoking is not really that bad for his health.
And that of your and TB Joshua’s followers and the pro SCOAN Court protestors that they find that self justifcation is right in the light of another doing good but did evil before that.
External self-justification refers to the use of external excuses to justify one’s actions. The excuses can be a displacement of personal responsibility, lack of self-control or social pressures. External self-justification aims to diminish one’s responsibility for a behavior and is usually elicited by moral dissonance. For example, the smoker might say that he only smokes socially and because other people expect him to.
And there is clearly no remorse than buying out and bribing people to put themselves in a good light to try to fix things as a little child who was caught out is now working overtime by the burden of guilt to correct things.
None of the actions will ever bring the victims back to life and are hissed away under the false pretense that they were martyrs of faith while covering up for TB Joshua’s and staff and the building engineers for their own personal choices on purpose deliberately and for money to start building illegally without building permit.
GOD WILL NEVER COMMAND SUCH A THING TO ANYONE OR PROPHET !
Romans 13:1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever RESISTS authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.…
TB Joshua is guilty like everyone else was in the collapsed hostel building by choosing deliberately and without consciousness that was seared with a hot iron to do this by his own accord.
Romans 3:3 What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it? 4 May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, “THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS, AND PREVAIL WHEN YOU ARE JUDGED.” 5 But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? The God who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous, is He? (I am speaking in human terms.)…
TB Joshua must appear in court so that he can be justified and prevail when he is judged. Will he do it ? Nooooo, because he is a liar, cheat and deceiver that do not want to be caught out speaking lies in COURT and want to stay behind the “corporate body” veiled justification of sending a lawyer.
DOMI DG;
Mecca? …”What man of God is in court for that?”… Who were the men of God there? Islam? Muslims? What am I missing here? Men of God in Mecca?
The level of thinking here shouts to heaven?!?!
Like your eyes placement tbjw . . . just rolling around…speechless…exactly.
The Islamic Connection
DOMI DG;
The only Judas around – is TB Joshua himself!
@ Newman, Domi DG,
Let’s look at something what you call divine or spiritual. And I quote:
“Earlier at the proceedings, the counsel for SCOAN, Chief Lateef Fagbemi (SAN), who led 17 other lawyers, had informed the court that his client had an application challenging the court’s jurisdiction and seeking to quash the charges.
He had argued that it was important for the court to entertain the application before doing any other thing.
But the judge, in a short ruling, said he had noted the application and would hear it at the appropriate time, adding that the fundamental issue of service had to first be settled.
Before then, when the matter was called, a man who did not mention his name indicated appearance for the Registered Trustees of SCOAN and entered the dock.
He however stepped out of the dock after some meetings to return to his seat but was challenged by the judge.”
Why if God is for TB Joshua, why is he fighting so much to be exonerated ? And that physically ? Or have many people standing at the Court to protest. Why can’t he go himself to tell everything that he knows and believes that happened not in person ?
To me it means that God is not for TB Joshua at all. He is wearing out the council by using people like Jezebel is using her prisoners by wearing them out and using legions to receive adoration for himself. How is that God doing what ? God is interested to elevate TB Joshua by human elevation and accolades ? Where is Jesus here ? I don’t see Jesus here at all. I see a bunch of people doing anything in their carnal powers to twist, turn, wriggle, trying to influence, to irritate, to annoy, to hinder, to divert the course of Justice and the Law of the Land.
Do we see Jesus doing this ? Do we see God doing this ? No we don’t, we don’t see dragging of heels, changing direction, involving everybody from left right and center. We see Elijah all by himself making a show of Baal. Alone and because of his success he was down and out and feared for his life that Jezebel wanted to kill him. But God had a clear plan to resuscitate him supernaturally.
I don’t see anything like that happening with TB Joshua and you all who all are busy to hamper, hinder, frustrate, divert, protest, jump up and down about this.
It has become a complete show of madness taking place and a continual delay and keep trying to steer by human cleverness and abilities to get the court case thrown out.
Again let me make clear to all the Judges that God commands to do Judgment in Nigeria. Remember this of what the Lord has commanded in:
Deuteronomy 16:18 “You shall appoint for yourself judges and officers in all your towns which the LORD your God is giving you, according to your tribes, and they shall judge the people with righteous judgment. 19″You shall not distort justice; you shall not be partial, and you shall not take a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and perverts the words of the righteous.…
With all the protests you can see you are all and SCOAN delivered up to human efforts to get it all sorted.
Your own injustice of your self righteousness is clear before God and Jesus. Your self effort to undo your own choices you all did to build illegal and without building permit shows that you are a con organisation with trickery and are willing to go for the long term to keep deceiving and lying towards all people including me.
The commandment of the Lord is:
“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour” is the ninth (respectively the eighth according to the Word of God of the Ten Commandments, which are widely understood as moral imperatives by legal scholars, Jewish scholars, Catholic scholars, and Post-Reformation scholars.The book of Exodus describes the Ten Commandments as being spoken by God, inscribed on two stone tablets by the finger of God, broken by Moses, and rewritten on replacements stones by the LORD.
There are six things that the LORD strongly dislikes, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers. ?Proverbs 6:16–19
Thou shalt live by the Word of God, not by your own devices, abilities and your own intention as God commands.
If God was truly fighting for you than the Lord would have given you all a sign of His glory but until now it is not appearing than the sign given to King Nebuchadnezzar because of injustice and pride.
He reminds Belshazzar that Nebuchadnezzar’s greatness was the gift of God, and that when he became arrogant God threw him down until he learned humility: “the Most High God has sovereignty over the kingdom of mortals, and sets over it whomever He will.” Belshazzar has drunk from the vessels of God’s Temple and praised his idols, but he has not given honour to God, and so God sent this hand and wrote these words and Daniel reads then the words, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN, and interprets them for the king: MENE, God has numbered the days of YOUR kingdom and brought it to an end; TEKEL, you have been weighed and found wanting; and PERES, the kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.
To the Your Honourable Judges of Nigeria and the world, do as the Lord Almighty God Jehovah has commanded thee and set in His Word and Judge according what is just and righteous, not what others try to influence you with to be merciful and pass off evil as good and not so that evil can continue in the Land that the Lord has given you. Remove so in righteousness the evil from the Land and let the Glory of the Lord return to you and bless you when you have spoken just.
Don’t these people have faith? God has power over what would transpire at the trial. Is His hand shortened, that He can’t stop anything He wouldn’t want?
Earlier in the case, they could have easily testified about that plane or about whatever silly story they want. This behaviour of theirs that looks indistinguishable from playing hooky looks suspicious, to be honest with you, almost like they’ve got something to hide. If they don’t want to look shady, they’ll need to stop that.
Should he walk free, there will be a prophecy video of how he was delivered from evil men bla bla
SCOAN needs to fight this for several reasons. The devil frequently uses the establish institutions like the courts, military etc to as weapons under the guise of ‘justice’. You will only look ridiculous if you go to the courts to say ‘thus sayeth the Lord….’ Instead use the officially accepted legal procedures to fight too, backed by payers. That is what SCOAN should do.
TBJ is highly sought-after by the devil for elimination because he is doing serious damage to the kingdom of Satan with the deliverance. One way the devil is fighting back is to use the power behind the established military/legal system to eliminate TBJ/SCOAN.
You will notice that Ikotun area is not known to be an area like where military planes will be hovering. But a military plane was see flying so low many times before the building collapsed. The connection with the military plane has been ‘rubbished’ by the powers that be. But ever since we have never heard of military planes or even civilian planes hovering over Ikotun area.
If is not impossible to obtain information from TBJ by video-conference or by means of a legal deposition. In this day and age. he does NOT NEED to attend the court building whose security arrangements he has no control of, to get justice. Thy can easily get him to participate by video-conference. Personally I would not advice him attending in person. Sending a lawyer or video-conference should do.
What explanation are we going to be given when TBJ goes into the court building and it collapses?
Because of the sensitivity of tbj’s ministry, he never announces his flight schedules. All the devil needs is to plant a suicide bomber in the plane to bring him down. THAT IS THE REASON HE HEEDS A PRIVATE JET if he is going to start traveling around the globe. We cannot afford to have him traveling around in public aircraft or go into a court building which no one is sure of its security arrangements.
@Newman
Is TB Joshua excempt from obeying scripture then? “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.” Rom 13:1
And for a man who’s anointing is said to be so strong it wiped out Ebola in Sierra Leone, it seems strange he should need to spend 65 million (equivalent to the annual income of 9000 average Nigerians) for private air travel because he’s scared of terrorists.
@Newman
Everything you said is just a myth. There is nothing like that in the new testament age. Early church fathers didn’t go to such vain & expensive lengths to preserve the lives, they were killed for the gospel. John the last surviving apostle was banished to the Island of Patmos and other apostles were killed for the gospel. Antipas of Pergamos was killed for Christ. Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna was killed for the gospel. Justin Martyr & his students were arrested, tried & executed for upholding the gospel. Ignatius, bishop of Antioch even discouraged the congregants from pleading for his life, because wanted to die for Christ & he was indeed fed to the wild beast by the Roman government. All this happened in the 1st & 2nd century AD. True Christianity does not shy away from persecution. It faces persecution even if it means death.
@Newman
As for the idea of ‘justice’ being a way to attack people being used by God, I would quote 1 Peter 2:19-20.
I have no idea why the Nigerian military would want to do a fly-over of the Ikotun area. (a fixed-wing aircraft technically cannot ‘hover’; it must always be moving or else it will fall. What I think you mean might be the plane flying slowly over the area.)
They’ve not been doing anything like suggesting a video conference testimony. Perhaps you should send them a letter by mail or email or something suggesting what you think they should do. If they took this suggestion, it would be more meaningful than the postponing stuff they’re doing now.
If you write more than 10 lines I do not read you. Especially since you’re clogged like a barrel and you do not want change.
I ask you to consider converting this web site into something useful and positive. It’s time to move on, this article has lasted too long
Don’t just sit there typing away, do something meaningful yourself seeing you have a fantastic idea of what is useful and positive. You can start a pro-TB Joshua blog and worship him there all you wish
@ Domi DG,
I read all your posts even how long they are. I shows I am interested in you as a person of what you write and don’t write. Because I care that you drop your false private prophet and live a truly free live from the bondage that you are into. If you have to follow a person to even know every little burp and fart they do without yourself to be able to move on or do anything, something is very wrong with you, mentally and psychologically. It means you are under a spell and are completely hypnotised and your walk with God Himself is literally hampered and totaly none existent. We who speak from experience we call this a cult behaviour. Check TB Joshua ‘ s watch next post for understanding. See less than 10 lines. Mr High Horse and arrogance.
Nigerian pastors listed among world’s most famous prophets
T.B. Joshua, Pastor of The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations (SCOAN) held the number 15 spot while Joseph Ayo Babalola, the founder of Christ Apostolic Church (CAC), held number 36.
This is fatal for your website
Link?
Fatal, I don’t think so.
@DOMI DG
ahhh ha ha ha ha I’ve just found it: http://www.ranker.com/list/notable-prophet_s)/reference?page=4
Do you realise this is a site where anyone can create a list with anyone in? Don’t believe me – look what I just created:
http://www.ranker.com/list/famous-false-prophets/tbjoshuawatch
@tbjoshuawatch
Lol 😀 you’re good
@DOMI DG seems to be choking on online information. Poor guy is just suffocating. He just consumes anything, he can’t sift.
DOMI DG-
Good Night!
Hope you understand this, because it is less than 3 words.
Bye, bye….